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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 3:50pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
paschu:You have the right to express your views like everyone and people have the right to object to your views too like they do to us all. You expressing love for a bigot is the problem. I guess your problem is loving people that oppresses people that looks like you and that's Stockholm syndrome. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by paschu: 4:13pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
Okay, but you are misreading me. I love Trump, yes. But that's because his life is a graphic illustration of the "winning attitude/culture" (against all odds) which is a trait that's universally coveted. So maybe I'm a bit biased (can't entirely help it when you seriously love someone). But all I'm doing is giving Trump the benefit of doubt and a long space to prove me right or wrong. And I can assure you that all geniune lovers of America are doing the same. Those who don't care about America are those who fail to differentiate between pre-innaugration Trump and the Office of the POTUS. No sane and patriotic American will publicly call the POTUS a "con man" or the other unprintable derogatory names. I dislike the present admin of Nigeria with passion. But not once have I singled out the President for personal attacks and public shaming. Maybe it's time for you to turn a new leaf. Give Trump a chance. At least with that you may have the chance to critisize him with pure data - not just innuendos and baseless media biases. Lucasbalo: 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 4:35pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
paschu:Go ask the people that enrolled at his fake and unaccredited Trump University if he didn't con them out of their money?. He settled out of court for $25 million. If someone scam you of your money, that person is a scam artist and so is Trump. I have all the right to criticize him since he's living on American tax payers dough now. There are many self made Billionares to admire not the one that inherent a fortune from his dad. 3 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 5:03pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
paschu: Aside from the the presidency, what odds did Trump beat? Genuinely asking. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 5:07pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
To the Trump supporters what are you thoughts on this: Trump is gonna cut funding to the Coast Guard yet he says he's tough on security, isn't this a contradiction? 4 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by paschu: 10:15pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
Lucasbalo: I give up. ![]() ![]() |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 10:45pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
paschu:You are a good guy and one day you will find out the kind of guy Trump is. I don't hate him personally but I hate what he's trying to do to a country that's dear to my heart. Good luck. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by ValerianSteel(m): 11:30pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
I don't know about you but that Sandwich will be yuge, the best sandwich ever, believe me. 1 Like
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Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by paschu: 11:37pm On Mar 16, 2017 |
Easy... ![]()
Of course, the above is clearly playing down on Trump's ingeniuty. But here's to put things in perspective: the reality is, Trump has never filed for bankruptcy. Yes, some of his business holdings have filed for it (4 times. Or, if you like, 6) but it was all a Corporate filing and never a personal filing. And I am not going to say it was all nice and ethical, but we all sure know that the corporate bankrupcies were in line with the provisions of law. But the big "winning" part is, in spite of all the bad press, hate and public ridicule, Trump never gave up. He mustered enough credibility and courage that enabled him to bounce back and attain the billionare status at a global scale. Yes, I know Lucas presumes that Trump's tenacity and fortune was due to a mystery russian connection. But of course that's a mere inuendo which Lucas cannot backup with any facts. LordReed: |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 12:20am On Mar 17, 2017 |
paschu:Obviously, you love your Trumpy and will swallow anything from him regardless of the facts. Trump inherited well over $200 million from his father Fred when he passed away. If Trumpster invested that money into Stock market, he would be richer today than he is now. He's a wealthy man no doubt but what irks people against him is his flaunting and boastful ways. Real authentic self made Billionares don't flaunt their wealth and they are not boastful plus they are very philanthropic unlike trump. I am talking about people like Gates, Buffet, Zuckenberg, Soros, Bloomberg and so many who are many times wealthier than your idol Trump. Trump filed corporate bankruptcies 6 times and guess who were holding the bags for him while he smiled to the banks, Carpenters, Masons, Painters, Steelworkers, Suppliers and other small businesses not to talk of Banks. Trump was blacklisted by American banks and that's why he started borrowing money from Russian oligarchs one of who is a fertilizer king Dimitrov. The Russiagate is going to be his downfall because American press and American people will haunt him down like they did Nixon. I do not admire people that inherited their wealth but I admire self made people who brought themselves up from zero to hero. Keep watching and see how the Russiagate debacle will end. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by obixcel(m): 12:47am On Mar 17, 2017 |
Lucasbalo:I see your Hatred for Trump is really driving u crazy, I better be consumed by Love rather than by Hatred and bitterness - it's like a poison. Trump is a serial Winner (In spite of his own flaws) and I love people like that with such attitude. Unfortunately u will never see anything good in the person u hate - that is the basic rule of life in general. It's sad but u will have to live with it. The Russian Conspiracy which is a hoax is spinning to oblivion already. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 4:29am On Mar 17, 2017 |
obixcel:The difference between you and I is that I am not overwhelmed by anyone's wealth unlike you. I do not hate Trump personally but I hate what he's trying to do to my country and being a good citizen, it's my constitutional right to voice my objections. I have so much stake in America unlike you who looks at America like a Soccer game where you can just voice your opinion on emotions. Tell me one single thing in your life you are contributing or contributed to good old US ?. Where were people like you when the Racist pig you worship was doubting Obama's citizenship?. If Trump hates Obama because of his skin color, believe me you don't even appear on his radar. Your cause means nothing to Trump and you can take that to the bank. If Trump doesn't care about the minorities in US, you must be a dunce to think he is thinking about you in your cave. You and your ilk can foam in the mouths all you want, the bottom line is that the pressure on him will intensify. Knowing American press which can't be bought like Nigerian press, the pressure on Mr Orange continues. The next four years will be hell on Earth for Mr Bigot and there's nothing you and your friends can do about it because as far as America is concerned, you don't count. You only get your relevance on Nairaland. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by schwarzkopf(m): 5:48am On Mar 17, 2017 |
Hope the drumpfster are enjoying the shambles called budget, that the Orange blob just proposed. Even red state goons are in for a fix. 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 6:01am On Mar 17, 2017 |
paschu: The full article definitely makes for an interesting read and I can see why you still have admiration for him. I personally used to admire Trump in the 80s and 90s when I didn't know he grew up in wealth. After learning more about his father's influence and wealth I took a less admiring stance which his brash ways have only diminished since. Make no mistake I think Trump is successful, taking what his father built and making it larger and more known that is not something to be sniffed at but he makes it sound like he did it all by himself with no help or input by others, that is what makes me look quite critically at him. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by paschu: 8:19am On Mar 17, 2017 |
I guess I now understand your perspective much better. And I'm thoroughly okay with that. Though, I only wish you guys can critisize his policies and political actions (not necessarily his personality, since no one is perfect) constructively as much as you like but WITHOUT calling him derogatory names in public forums. Hope you noticed what McDonald's official Twitter handle did yesterday? Now that's a first in the history of democracy in America. Of course I know they claimed it was a hack. But we all know that their VP and head of global communication was the former press sec. to Obama. Seriously my heart bleeds when I see Americans ridicule their president on the gallery. Probably you guys may never understand how those derogatory acts and words get across to non-Americans across the globe. Definitely, it does not help anyone. And in case you are still in doubt, I want you to know that their is a real global elitist alliance that's deliberately created to frustrate Trump presidency. Of course this is not in the interest of the average Democrat or American citizen. But the globalists won't tell you that. Just read the following thoroughly when you get the chance. https://qz.com/844487/meet-the-leader-of-a-billionaires-club-determined-to-stop-trump-from-destroying-the-world/ And then this: https://www./justice-league-g20-william-doll? Then in that LinkedIn post, I'd suggest you pay close attention to the argument put forth by Mark Minevich - the author's personal contact and business associate. Friend, the fight for the soul of a free America is real. LordReed: |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by edi287: 8:50am On Mar 17, 2017 |
Lucasbalo:Another thing which I'm surprised people aren't talking about is how much of his taxes were AMT. Without AMT, he would've only paid $6.5m out of a 150m. Now we know why he wants to abolish it. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 11:15am On Mar 17, 2017 |
paschu: The problem of insults emanates from human nature and escalation from both sides. In trying to put points across people often get emotional and the facts get lost in the noise. Trump has always been criticized on his policy directions but it gets lost in all the emotional backwash. For me Trump's policy directions or implementations don't seem particularly well thought out or studiously implemented. They seem to come from a reactionary, let's play to the gallery place, like as though he was on reality TV. He seems not to find real solutions that are well grounded in present situations and future planning but only in making a show of it. Take for instance immigration. The US has never been soft on illegal immigration so building a concrete wall while cutting funding to the Coast Guard sounds like someone didn't do their homework. Besides is there any consideration for the environmental impact of the wall? The cost of continuously maintaining it? The cost of additional sensors and tech to be deployed and maintained along side this wall? The additional manpower to patrol? He just says we are gonna build a wall but doesn't talk about the specifics. I find it hard to believe he has done any study on what this wall will really cost both before and after it is built. Good leaders come to their people with a vision and a road map, road maps by the way are not done by talking a big game. This problem I see repeated in all the policy implementation he is trying for. Also take a look at the way he has conducted himself since becoming President. He said he would give up twitter, did he? No. Instead he tweets about things that should concern him less as POTUS. He famously said that if he became president he won't have time to take a break, how many breaks has he taken? Last count is 4 weekends out of 5 since becoming President. The American people don't need to ridicule him he does it all by himself.
Yes I saw it and I took note that a former Obama personnel is their man. Here's a good example of people blowing stuff out of proportion based on emotional responses. The tweet is obviously juvenile and can't be an official communica of McDonald's so bringing the former Obama personnel into it is really reaching but this what you get from the emotional investment from both sides.
Perhaps you don't see that the people of the world are forming their own opinions of what is going on in the USA. Some right wingers are emboldened by it and some left wingers are putting their foot down that never in our country. The American people don't need to even speak for people to know what they what to take away from this whole event. The Dutch for instance were galvanized to resist their version of Trump.
All world events have always been influenced by some interest group or the other. Trump's victory was also fuelled by interest groups. What we should be most particular about is how large that interest group covers. If Trump is only out to largely benefit a very small subset of his supporters (and given the AHCA and the budget proposal that seems to be the case) then I don't see he has any claim to moral superiority over the globalization moguls. And having read the articles you suggested I find their position even more attractive than Trump's. I agree that soul of America is at stake but I highly doubt that Trump is the leader that is good for America. *EDITED* 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by stanech: 11:20am On Mar 17, 2017 |
Lucasbalo: Finally! I knew you will come around an support him... #Baby steps ![]() 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 11:34am On Mar 17, 2017 |
@paschu BTW talking about policy, none of you Trump supporters responded to my post on the proposed funding cut to the Coast Guard. CC: stanech, obixcel, Missy89, Timbuktuo, raumdeuter *EDITED* |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 1:19pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
LordReed: I am not a trump supporter The budget only covers DISCRETIONARY spending. "Discretionary spending limits, addressed by this proposal, are set by congressional budget resolutions. Congress typically makes changes to the president's proposal - last year, lawmakers disregarded Obama's budget altogether. Mandatory spending, by contrast, is set by other laws and is often determined by the size of the benefit and the eligible population". Looks like you still dont understand American politics yet. Another Nothing Burger |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by raumdeuter: 1:26pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
LordReed: Any evidence that I am a Trump supporter? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by TheShopKeeper(m): 1:39pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/michael-flynn-payments-rt-russia-tv/ Top House Dem: Flynn was paid by Russian TV Washington (CNN) Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, President Donald Trump's former national security adviser, was paid more than $33,750 by Russia's state-run broadcaster RT TV-Russia for a speech in Moscow in December 2015, a top Democrat on the House Oversight Committee has learned. The US intelligence community has long assessed RT to be a propaganda tool of the Kremlin, writing in its January report on Russian interference in the US election that the organization had participated in disinformation campaigns aimed at the US. Flynn had previously acknowledged the speaking engagement, telling multiple news outlets in July and August that he received money for the speech. But he declined to state the amount, saying that the source of the funds was his US speakers bureau, not the Russian broadcaster, which US intelligence agencies describe as an instrument of the Russian government. "I didn't take any money from Russia," Flynn told Yahoo News in July. Rep. Elijah Cummings, the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, sent a letter Thursday questioning whether Flynn reported the payment as required by both law and military regulations. In addition, receiving money from a foreign government without approval from his relevant branch of service violates military regulations. Documents obtained by the oversight committee and shared with CNN show that RT, formerly known as Russia Today, specifically earmarked Flynn's compensation as part of the payment package to the speakers bureau, Leading Authorities Inc., which also included the bureau's fee and visa expenses. In an email exchange between RT and the speakers bureau that the House committee acquired and was reviewed by CNN, a representative from RT said that the initial asking price for Flynn's appearance as "a bit too high" and asked the company to reduce the fee. The committee also obtained a purported copy of the check the speakers bureau provided Flynn. The House Oversight Committee also acquired an email dated November 13, 2015, from an official of RT TV-Russia stating, "We will be covering the payment of General Flynn's fee from our London office." Price Floyd, a spokesman for Flynn, told CNN that "Gen. Flynn reported the trip to the DIA both before he went to Russia and after he returned." As the former director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, Flynn was obligated to inform the agency of the trip. The payment, however, would have needed to be reported to a different part of the Pentagon. Asked if Flynn reported the payment, Floyd had no comment. According to the documents, Flynn also received $11,250 from a Russian charter cargo airline and $11,250 from a Russia-based cybersecurity corporation, though neither of those companies were state-owned. Cummings wrote a letter addressed to Trump, Secretary of Defense James Mattis and FBI Director James Comey highlighting the payment documentation and questioning whether Flynn appropriately revealed the financial arrangements when he completed his form SF-86, an official document required by anyone seeking a security clearance for a position in government. In the letter, Cummings accused Flynn of violating the emoluments clause as it pertains to military regulations that prohibit retired military officers from receiving payments from a foreign government. According to regulations, Flynn would have had to have sought approval from the Army to receive such payment, something the Army has no record of. Flynn was forced to resign as Trump's national security adviser after reports emerged that he had mischaracterized his communications with the Russian ambassador to the US to Vice President Mike Pence. Last week, Flynn registered as a foreign agent with the Justice Department, acknowledging that the work he did on behalf of a Turkish-owned company during the transition may have benefited the Turkish government. ....and some people want us to believe that Trump will not be aware that Flynn has been in bed with the Russians 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 1:51pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
raumdeuter: Pardon my assumption. 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 1:55pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Missy89: Pardon my assumption of you being a Trump supporter. Please elaborate so if this somehow manages to pass there'll be no negative effect on the Coast Guard? 1 Like |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 2:46pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
LordReed: appropriations bill hardly pass through congress without significant changes. Coast guard will be fine for the most part since DHS is getting more money anyway. Kelly can reallocate funds as he see fit and there is a bi partisan concern about the cut which means deals will be made. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 3:10pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Missy89: Is the Coast Guard under DHS? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Missy89(f): 3:14pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
LordReed: Yes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by LordReed(m): 3:15pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
TheShopKeeper: Is the Kaspersky payment different from this? |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by happney65: 3:34pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/gchq-trump-wiretap-denial/index.html BREAKING---White House apologizes to British government over spying claims.. The Hardest Job in the World is that of a Chief Press secretary. Particulary when you have to defend a Spoit Child like Mr Trump..I Hope SNL makes Jest of Spicer this Saturday..Too Bad 2 Likes |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by Lucasbalo(m): 3:59pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
happney65:Seriously, this is the worst White House in recent memory. It's almagamation of many worthless people headed by the Clown in Chief. You have to feel sorry for Sean Spicer trying to defend the indefensible. This White House is not only chaotic, it's in disarray . Even some Republicons are running away from the regime aka the Trumpcare and Trump's budget proposal. America needs divine intervention. |
Re: American Politics Lounge - Donald Trump Is US President-Elect ! by happney65: 4:02pm On Mar 17, 2017 |
Lucasbalo: My broda,You need divine intervention..I cant imagine a country third world countries like us look up to being dragged in the Mud like this..This is nothing but absolute nonesense..Too Bad |
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