Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple.

This is a developed recap from what I’ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I’ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolizing the womanliness) whether she thinks she wants it or not – which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances – it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanized by this act. It is an act of violence.

As FCM pointed out some time ago, intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women. The purpose of men enforcing intercourse regularly (as in, more than once a month) onto women is because it’s the surest way to cause pregnancy and force childbearing against our will, and thereby gain control over our reproductive powers. There is no way to eliminate the pregnancy risk entirely off PIV and the mitigating and harm-reduction practices such as contraception and abortion are inherently harmful, too. Reproductive harms of PIV range from pregnancy to abortion, having to take invasive, or toxic contraception, giving birth, forced child bearing and rearing and all the complications that go with them which may lead up to severe physical and emotional damage, disability, destitution, illness, or death (See factcheckme. for her work on the reproductive harms of PIV, click on the “intercourse series” page or “PIV” in the search bar). If we compare this to even the crappiest online definition of violence: “behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something”. Bingo. It fits: Pregnancy = may hurt, damage or kill. Intercourse = a man using his physical force to penetrate a woman. Intention / purpose of the act of intercourse = to cause pregnancy. PIV is therefore intentional harm / violence. Intentional sexual harm of a man against a woman through penile penetration = RAPE.

If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can’t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it’s absolutely revolting and violating.

The term “fVck you” is not an insult for nothing, men know why – it’s the worst thing you can do to a human being. It is in itself an extremely physically invasive act, very often painful, generally at the beginning before the pain may be cut off by the genital arousal; causes all sorts of tears, bruises, swelling, discomfort, STDs, vaginal infections, urinary infections, genital warts, HIV and death. Not to forget the additional sado-gynecological interventions/ costs of PIV-maintenance, and all the secondary physical mutilation and financial costs that go with our duty to make ourselves look decorative for male sexual consumption – such as hair removal, make-up, starvation or forced feeding, torturous limb deforming or cutting up, etc.

The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it’s not meant to be. The vagina’s primary function isn’t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception.

There’s a reason men need to groom us into it, and why this grooming takes so long- because it’s so grossly violating and traumatising that we would otherwise never submit to intercourse. The only reason we may now not feel raped or have the impression we desired or initiated PIV, is because men broke down our barriers very skillfully and progressively from birth, breaking down our natural defences to pain and invasion, our confidence in our own perceptions and sensations of fear and disgust that tell us male sexual invasion is painful, harmful and traumatic.

Through an all-pervasive and powerful male propaganda, they stuff our minds from infancy with the idea that PIV is normal, desirable and erotic, before we can even conceive of it as something horrifying, and make sure we never see any alternative to their lie – or that if we do, we can no longer take in the information, are punished for thinking and saying otherwise. The fact we may not immediately feel raped doesn’t mean it’s not rape, objectively speaking. To give a classic example, many women in prostitution may not identify the act of prostitution as rape, except if the act wasn’t paid for. It doesn’t stop us from saying that all prostitution is rape. We know that our subjective feelings or thoughts may be colonised by men’s perspectives and as radical feminists we don’t let that override and erase the objective reality of violence. (PS -The reason why ONLY the lack of payment is defined as rape is because the offence here isn’t against the prostituted woman but the love-vendor who was deprived of his income. Rape comes from rapt, which is an old word for theft of woman-as-property.)

Lastly, from a structural point of view, as a class oppressed by men, we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage. Men, by whom we are possessed, colonised and held captive, are the sole agents and organisers of PIV. Men dominate us precisely so we can’t opt out of sexual abuse by them; intercourse is the very means through which men subordinate us, the very purpose of their domination, to control human reproduction.

http://witchwind./2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/

Mtcheew

Wow!

Are we still talking feminism? Radical indeed.

First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their joystick into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolizing the womanliness) whether she thinks she wants it or not – which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances – it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanized by this act. It is an act of violence.

After reading this,i give up!

A bunch of nonsense....

Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The lady that propagated this view was raped as a child and is long dead and buried. Nobody cares for it.
Dunno why you are posting this old, tired view that even the West can't be bothered with, if not your aim is to cause trouble. *Yawns*
Our realities are the girl child today is being still sold to highest bidder as a wife.
And that is why Feminism must exist side by side with patriarchy whether you like it not in Nigeria. And shady tactics like this only tell me it is highly needed.
#deadthread!!!!

eerrm....this view is definitely neither old nor tired.

If you have nothing intelligible to say about this article and this radical feminist POV, kindly go back to where you crawled out from.

Stillfire:
Boring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The lady that propagated this view was raped as a child and is long dead and buried. Nobody cares for it.
Dunno why you are posting this old, tired view that even the West can't be bothered with, if not your aim is to cause trouble. *Yawns*
Our realities are the girl child today is being still sold to highest bidder as a wife.
And that is why Feminism must exist side by side with patriarchy whether you like it not in Nigeria. And shady tactics like this only tell me it is highly needed.
#deadthread!!!!

You try read the thing sef. And thanks for nice summary. Saves one a lot of head aches.

Op, said we crawl out from somewhere, for someone hanging on pent house, how côme she didn't know the article is old?

Abi na teleportation on work here

Chillisauce:


You try read the thing sef. And thanks for nice summary. Saves one a lot of head aches.

Op, said we crawl out from somewhere, for someone hanging on pent house, how côme she didn't know the article is old?

Abi na teleportation on work here

This particular article about PIV came up Dec last year, that is not old for something that is still being discussed on feminists blog.

I came about the article this summer on reddit and I had fun reading the comments on there.

A friend and I were talking about this article last night and I wondered if opinions on NL might be different. I don't understand how anything about my original post suggest "shady" dealings.

Alephilomath:

This particular article about PIV came up Dec last year, that is not old for something that is still being discussed on feminists blog.
I came about the article this summer on reddit and I had fun reading the comments on there.
A friend and I were talking about this article last night and I wondered if opinions on NL might be different. I don't understand how anything about my original post suggest "shady" dealings.

Sorry, didn't mean to be harsh. Anyway the ideology was first propagated by Andrea Rita Dworkin in the 80's and she was molested. It is not new.
On the other hand, these are first world tete a tete while sipping tea problems.
In our country, we are still fighting for things like a woman reaching her full potential without seeking permission to reach self actualization from her 'master' husband or people measuring a woman's hymen and debating if she can wear white on her wedding day.

What do you mean by feminists are a bunch of idiots?

Stillfire:


Sorry, didn't mean to be harsh. Anyway the ideology was first propagated by Andrea Rita Dworkin in the 80's and she was molested. It is not new.
On the other hand, these are first world tete a tete while sipping tea.
In our country, we are still fighting for things like a woman reaching her full potential without seeking permission to reach self actualization from her 'master' husband or people measuring a woman's hymen and debating if she can wear white on her wedding day.

i am surprised you even know who andrea dworkin. she's at least responsible for 90% of the bad press feminism gets. she's a lunatic.

this quote of hers still makes me laugh...

all heterosexual intercourse is räpe because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.

this woman must think women are dorks.

coogar:


i am surprised you even know who andrea dworkin. she's at least responsible for 90% of the bad press feminism gets. she's a lunatic.

this quote of hers still makes me laugh...

all heterosexual intercourse is räpe because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent.

this woman must think women are dorks.

Just checked wikipedia and she was married till her death in 2005 . In fact she was married twice. Wikipedia lists her husband as a radical feminist too. I'm sure she's your type of woman, you like them fiery and plump.

Stillfire:


Just checked wikipedia and she was married till her death in 2005 . In fact she was married twice. Wikipedia lists her husband as a radical feminist too. I'm sure she's your type of woman, you like them fiery and plump.

her husband?
are you sure her husband is not a woman with a permanent strap-on around her groin?

no wonder she's a feminist - she's morbidly obese. who would sleep this whale? she's so fat her blouse has stretch marks.

coogar:


her husband?
are you sure her husband is not a woman with a permanent strap-on around her groin?

no wonder she's a feminist - she's morbidly obese. who would sleep this whale? she's so fat her blouse has stretch marks.

See what I just found about the husband from wiki...

Stoltenberg was life partner to Andrea Dworkin for thirty-one years (eventually marrying), although he considers himself gay

Stillfire:


See what I just found about the husband from wiki...

Stoltenberg was life partner to Andrea Dworkin for thirty-one years (eventually marrying), although he considers himself gay

i told you.
no normal man would put up with andrea. i doubt they had sėx throughout that 31 years.

I take it Angela Dork-in never owned a dictionary?
I cosign Stillfire fire on this...