Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by udatso: 5:35pm On May 27, 2015 |
NumberOne2:
Oh, it is now MY Bible when it talks of testing Prophets but it is YOUR Muhammed when it talks of the Spirit of Truth.
Do you ha ve comprehension issues? Can't you see all I have been talking about is about your Bible verse of spirit and Prophet? As far as this thread is concerned I have not mentioned "Muhammad (pbuh)" in all my post. So I don't know where you got that conclusion from |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Scholar8200(m): 6:47pm On May 27, 2015 |
eshbeewanna:
The Holy Ghost was already with them: True Jesus Himself said,John 14:17 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be[c] in you. They were already acquainted with Him but He was not yet dwelling in them yet. We read "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." The comforter can not be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost (according to the Bible) was "with" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (peace be upon him) himself and then throughout his ministry.
I believe the above response clarifies this. "Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22)
After this Jesus still told them to,"Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about. 5 For John baptized with[a] water, but in a few days you will be baptized with[b] the Holy Spirit." Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (peace be upon him) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (peace be upon him) when he parted the seas? There are many more similar verses to be found in the Bible. In the above verses, we are told that if Jesus (peace be upon him) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.
The coming of the Holy Spirit in the NT(is for a higher ministry) as declared by Jesus is in accordance to the prophecy given by the Father in Ezekiel 36:27 27 And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. This was not known to all the people of the OT. A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet. Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit. Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit. He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above. Read 1 John 4:1-3 below: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," (1 John 4:1-3)
1 John 4:2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. Clearly shows that the focus here is the Spirit or spirits that inspire the prophet. Kindly see 1 Corinthians 14:32 32 The spirits of prophets are subject to the control of prophets. Also Matthew 10:20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you I believe these are clear enough. There had been many cases of deliberate modification of the Biblical text by members of the Christian clergy themselves, as well as deliberate large scale projects to "correct" the Bible, and the writings of "the early fathers," (such as the deliberate insertion of the verse of 1 John 5:7 which is now universally discarded) It is, therefore, possible that either:
1) The word "Holy" could have been dropped by a careless copyist., or
2) Someone could have inserted the word "Holy" to convey his personal understanding of the text.
Besides, Jesus did not reiterate that promise in Revelations. Why? Because the Comforter, Spirit of Truth had been sent see Revelations 2:7,11 etc 7 Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious The Spirit had come and had commenced His Ministry,as Jesus promised, among the church (body of believers). Which was it? In order to arrive at the answer we must follow the same path of detective work the Biblical scholars themselves do. We must study the characteristics of the "Paraclete" and compare them to both the "Holy Spirit" and to a "Spirit." Muslims believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the one intended and not the Holy Ghost. In the Christian's own "Gospel of Barnabas" Muhammad is mentioned by name here. The Trinitarian church, however, has done its utmost to obliterate all existing copies of "The Gospel of Barnabas," and to hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery. For this reason, it becomes necessary to show that even the Gospels adopted by Paul's church also originally spoke of Muhammad (peace be upon him).
Any One coming after Jesus would come in line with the declaration Made By GOD Himself as regards the New Covenant sealed by the blood of Jesus. God had already said Jeremiah 31:31-34 “The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and with the people of Judah. 32 It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to[d] them,[e]” declares the Lord. 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. 34 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.” And Jesus made it clear that HE came to that effect Matthew 26:28 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which [[f]ratifies the agreement and] is [g]being poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Even the Jews were awaiting this and the sincere ones knew when He came Luke 1:72 72 To make true and show the mercy and compassion and kindness [promised] to our forefathers and to remember and carry out His holy covenant [to bless, which is [ad]all the more sacred because it is made by God Himself], Without trying to denigrate your religion, all these are conspicuously absent. The Promise of the Spirit to indwell believers is also in line with the New Covenant. Yes Moses gave laws but Grace and Truth came by Jesus and the former and Latter acted in accordance with different Covenants. Not just laws standing aloof but as part of a covenant. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by NumberOne2(m): 11:55pm On May 27, 2015 |
^^^ Thanks Scholar8200, I learnt alot. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Scholar8200(m): 12:16am On May 28, 2015 |
NumberOne2: ^^^
Thanks Scholar8200, I learnt alot. Glory to God! 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Ovacoma: 1:05am On May 28, 2015 |
eshbeewanna:
The Holy Ghost was already with them:
We read "if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you." The comforter can not be the Holy Ghost because the Holy Ghost (according to the Bible) was "wits" them already (and even quite active) long before the coming of Jesus (peace be upon him) himself and then throughout his ministry. Read for example.
1 Samuel 11:6 "And the Spirit of God came upon Saul when he heard those tidings, and his anger was kindled greatly."
"Then he remembered the days of old, Moses, and his people, saying, Where is he that brought them up out of the sea with the shepherd of his flock? where is he that put his holy Spirit within him?" (Isaiah 63:11)
"For he (John the Baptist) shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb." (Luke 1:15)
"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee." (Luke 1:35)
"And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost" (Luke 1:41)
"And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," (Luke 1:67)
"And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him." (Luke 2:25)
"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost (Simeon), that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ." (Luke 2:26)
"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him (Jesus), and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased." (Luke 3:22)
"Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you. And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost." (John 20:21-22)
Did they or did they not already receive the Holy Ghost? Was Jesus (peace be upon him) not still with them when they received the Holy Ghost? Was the Holy Ghost not with Simeon, Mary, Elisabeth and Zacharias before the birth of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Was the Holy Ghost not with Moses (peace be upon him) when he parted the seas? There are many more similar verses to be found in the Bible. In the above verses, we are told that if Jesus (peace be upon him) does not depart then the "parakletos" will not come. Thus, the "Holy Ghost" cannot be the one originally intended since it was already with them. The contradiction is quite obvious.
The Human Prophet
A "Spirit" in the New Testament is a human Prophet. Therefore, Jesus had predicted the comming of a human Prophet (spirit) after him and not the Holy Spirit. Jesus would not have used the word "he" for the Holy Spirit. He would have used "it" instead in John 14:26 above. Read 1 John 4:1-3 below: "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world," (1 John 4:1-3)
(also see 1 John 4:6), or an inspired human, for example read 1 Corinthians 2:10, 2 Thessalonians 2:2, ...etc.
There had been many cases of deliberate modification of the Biblical text by members of the Christian clergy themselves, as well as deliberate large scale projects to "correct" the Bible, and the writings of "the early fathers," (such as the deliberate insertion of the verse of 1 John 5:7 which is now universally discarded) It is, therefore, possible that either:
1) The word "Holy" could have been dropped by a careless copyist., or
2) Someone could have inserted the word "Holy" to convey his personal understanding of the text.
Which was it? In order to arrive at the answer we must follow the same path of detective work the Biblical scholars themselves do. We must study the characteristics of the "Paraclete" and compare them to both the "Holy Spirit" and to a "Spirit." Muslims believe that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was the one intended and not the Holy Ghost. In the Christian's own "Gospel of Barnabas" Muhammad is mentioned by name here. The literate all existing copies of "The Gospel of Barnabas," and to hide it from the masses or to label it a forgery. For this reason, it becomes necessary to show that even the Gospels adopted by Paul's church also originally spoke of Muhammad (peace be upon him). was Muhammad sent from God in the name of Jesus? Did Muhammad come to the disciples of Jesus on the Pentecost? Does Muhammad live forever? Did Muhammad comfort Jesus disciples? Jesus says i will not leave u comfortless. how many years did it take Muhammad to show up? Can a comforter from God be killing people, raiding caravans, rapping slaves, lying, womanising, etc? Haba, can't quran only defend muha? Please, let peace reign! 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by eshbeewanna: 2:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
Ovacoma:
was Muhammad sent from God in the name of Jesus? Did Muhammad come to the disciples of Jesus on the Pentecost? Does Muhammad live forever? Did Muhammad comfort Jesus disciples? Jesus says i will not leave u comfortless. how many years did it take Muhammad to show up? Can a comforter from God be killing people, raiding caravans, rapping slaves, lying, womanising, etc? Haba, can't quran only defend muha? Please, let peace reign! John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you Does the Holy Spirit "speak" or "inspire": Important Note: The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire." Muhammad (peace be upon him), as seen above, did indeed fulfill this prophesy. Whatsoever he "HEARD" from Gabriel (The Qur'an), the same did he physically "SPEAK" to his followers. In the Qur'an we read: "(God swears) By the star when it falls!: Your comrade (Muhammad) errs not, nor is he deceived; Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is naught save a revelation that is revealed (unto him)." (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):1-4) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Ovacoma: 2:53pm On May 28, 2015 |
eshbeewanna:
John 16:7-14 "Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: Of sin, because they believe not on me; Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you
Does the Holy Spirit "speak" or "inspire":
Important Note: The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire."
Muhammad (peace be upon him), as seen above, did indeed fulfill this prophesy. Whatsoever he "HEARD" from Gabriel (The Qur'an), the same did he physically "SPEAK" to his followers. In the Qur'an we read:
"(God swears) By the star when it falls!: Your comrade (Muhammad) errs not, nor is he deceived; Nor does he speak of (his own) desire. It is naught save a revelation that is revealed (unto him)." (The noble Qur'an, Al-Najm(53):1-4)
Acts 5:3 says ... To lie unto the Holy Ghost. Acts 13 :2 says ...the Holy Ghost said ... But, answers those my questions, or comforter will be killing, raping, raiding, ?etc. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Emusan(m): 5:55pm On May 28, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:..... When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. [size=14pt] He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.[/size]
Please ponder on the embolded and the underlined part of the above verse(s) and tell me your observation(s) As usual speaking from both side of your mouth (These verses are very TRUE and come from God when the whole Bible is not the word of God according to you), but thank God that you have the boldness to go further beyond verse 13 as that's the place all Muslims always stop because what the next two verses that follow it say, it's worrisome and eyes opening. In fact had it been that the spirit of your prophet isn't in you, you won't see this VERY OBVIOUS VERSES that solely against your claim and still went ahead to quote them to support the coming of Muhammad in a corrupt Book (as Muslims always claim).1. Do you mean Muhammad GLORIFIED Jesus Christ? 2. Do you mean ALL what Muhammad gave you Muslims ARE WHAT he TOOK from Jesus? 3. Who did Jesus refer to as FATHER? 4. Do you believe EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS is OWN BY Jesus Christ? Yet you want someone to "Please ponder on the embolded and the underlined part of the above verse(s) and tell me your observation(s)" when the truth is staring at you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 8:54pm On May 28, 2015 |
Emusan:
As usual speaking from both side of your mouth (These verses are very TRUE and come from God when the whole Bible is not the word of God according to you), but thank God that you have the boldness to go further beyond verse 13 as that's the place all Muslims always stop because what the next two verses that follow it say, it's worrisome and eyes opening.
In fact had it been that the spirit of your prophet isn't in you, you won't see this VERY OBVIOUS VERSES that solely against your claim and still went ahead to quote them to support the coming of Muhammad in a corrupt Book (as Muslims always claim).
1. Do you mean Muhammad GLORIFIED Jesus Christ? 2. Do you mean ALL what Muhammad gave you Muslims ARE WHAT he TOOK from Jesus? 3. Who did Jesus refer to as FATHER? 4. Do you believe EVERYTHING THAT THE FATHER HAS is OWN BY Jesus Christ?
Yet you want someone to "Please ponder on the embolded and the underlined part of the above verse(s) and tell me your observation(s)" when the truth is staring at you.
Lol. Ejó lo fèro
My question is, is this holy spirit in talk the 3rd member of the trinity?? |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Emusan(m): 9:49pm On May 28, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Lol. Ejó lo fèro Bi iwó na se fèran ejó My question is, is this holy spirit in talk the 3rd member of the trinity?? Where is the question in your post? Don't derail this thread Mr man. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Ovacoma: 10:12pm On May 28, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:
Lol. Ejó lo fèro
My question is, is this holy spirit in talk the 3rd member of the trinity?? thank God u now know that muha is not the Comforter. So, whether He is the 9th member shouldn't bother u. The op should bring out another lie. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 10:48pm On May 28, 2015 |
Emusan:
Bi iwó na se fèran ejó
Where is the question in your post?
Don't derail this thread Mr man.
Well, I don't have time for ejó today, that'd be another day.
We all know the situation of the country, no light! no fuel! |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 10:48pm On May 28, 2015 |
Emusan:
Bi iwó na se fèran ejó
Where is the question in your post?
Don't derail this thread Mr man.
Well, I don't have time for ejó today, that'd be another day.
We all know the situation of the country, no light! no fuel! |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Anas09: 1:50am On May 29, 2015 |
Father open the eyes of these men. The truth is so claring. Why won't these people realised that they have been lied to? Mohammed is a fruad abeg. He he a false prophet who thrives in lies. He says the original Bible is lost. The present one is corrupt, but its still in this present one he claims is talking about him. Even when the Bible clearly mentions that the comforter is the holy ghost, this dead muslims still deny it. This one, we don't need spiritual interpretation to discipher it. For the records. The holy ghost was not given to everyone who believed in Jehovah. Only three offices officiated by the holy Ghost. 1). The Priest. 2). The prophet. 3). The King. That's why others keep going to consult them. But now, that's no longer neccessary, the holy ghost indwells every beliver. Jesus Christ has divided himself into smaller pieces and we r carrying him everywhere we go. I learned some new today. All our covenant fathers had direct contacts or encounters with Kings in their times. All of them. Be they just men, like Abraham, Isaac, Jaccob, Joseph, to Prists to prophets, they all had direct dealings with the kings of their nations and of other nations. Pls Muslims, mention the kings that Mohammed had direct ecounter with. Am not talking about the ones he killed and collected their propertice by force. I mean cordial and friendly relationships. So many questions that Muslims can't answer. Am waiting. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Sweetnecta: 4:21am On May 29, 2015 |
FROM THE TWO CREATIONS THAT GOD GAVE FREEWILL, MAN AND JINN, JINN CREATED BEFORE MAN, SOME CLAIMING TO BE MONOTHEISTS HAVE CHOSEN GOD FROM EACH OF THESE TWO ALONG WITH THE REAL GOD TO MAKE A FORMULA FOR GOD IN TRINITY. ONE OF THEE IS UNSEEN, BEING THE JINN SO THE GHOST/SPIRIT IS COINED FOR IT IN TRINITY. THE OTHER BEING HUMAN, BECAUSE HE CAME IN THE MIDDLE OF HUMANITY, INSTEAD OF FATHERLESS AND MOTHERLESS ADAM, MOTHERLESS LADY EVE, THEY HAVE MADE HIM GOD AND SON OF GOD AT THE SAME TIME. ONE WILL ASK IF THINKING LOGICALLY, IS THERE A REASON FOR GOD TO HAVE A SON OR BECOME A MAN AND THE MOTHER OF THIS SON, IF TO ESCAPE THE LABEL OF CHILD BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK, WHAT IS HIS MOTHER TO GOD?
MAY GOD NOT MAKE US PEOPLE OF BLIND FAITH. BLIND FAITH IS ALWAYS IRRATIONAL. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Seriallinks(m): 4:21am On May 29, 2015 |
Anas09: Rilwayne, Rilwayne, RIlwayne. The first question I asked myself wen I listen to an Islamic Cleric preach about Angel Gabriel was, are there Two angel Gabriels? How can one angel Gabriel call Jesus Son of Gos, and then 600yrs later, the same angel changed his mind to say, Jesus is not the son of God but just a prophet? Ah. Something is wrong. One of those angels is an impostor. And since the Angel Gabriel of the Bible came first, I concluded that the Angel Gabriel of the Koran lied. He was an angel of darkness pretending to be an angel of light. It happens everyday. Ask Eve. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Sweetnecta: 4:33am On May 29, 2015 |
EVIDENTLY GOD HAS A PROPER NAME; YAHWEH OR JEHOVAH OR ELOI, ETC. CHRIST HAS A PROPER NAME, JESUS WHAT IS THE PROPER NAME OF SPIRIT OF TRUTH BECAUSE HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST IS NOT A PROPER NAME BUT A TITLE OR DESCRIPTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROPER NAME FOR IT/HIM, IT AINT GOD AND THERE GOES FLAT YOUR THEORY ABOUT TRINITARIAN GOD CONCEPT. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 7:25am On May 29, 2015 |
Sweetnecta: EVIDENTLY GOD HAS A PROPER NAME; YAHWEH OR JEHOVAH OR ELOI, ETC. CHRIST HAS A PROPER NAME, JESUS WHAT IS THE PROPER NAME OF SPIRIT OF TRUTH BECAUSE HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST IS NOT A PROPER NAME BUT A TITLE OR DESCRIPTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROPER NAME FOR IT/HIM, IT AINT GOD AND THERE GOES FLAT YOUR THEORY ABOUT TRINITARIAN GOD CONCEPT. This is exactly my point |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by eshbeewanna: 8:54am On May 29, 2015 |
Ovacoma:
Acts 5:3 says ... To lie unto the Holy Ghost. Acts 13 :2 says ...the Holy Ghost said ... But, answers those my questions, or comforter will be killing, raping, raiding, ?etc. Your questions are senseless because they are baseless alllegations. Back to the issue of holy ghost speaking.You christians always get jesus wrong often times whenever he says anything in the bible.The same way you interpreted him when he used the word "son of God" is just the same way you understand "holy ghost speaking".But the truth is holy ghost doesn't talk like human beign but rather "inspire" just like when they say "GOD Speak" not in the real sense of it.That is why up till now none you of have never seen the holy ghost live,talking to people and teaching people the word of God just the way jesus did during is life time. Jesus was referring in that verse of John to a person like him(human) that will speak,hear,teach and show like he did.Moreover the holy ghost has ever been present before jesus came and also present with jesus during his mission.So why would jesus sent holy ghost that has ever been present to the disciples who knew this fact.But rather jesus was referring to a new person entirely a prophet and not a ghost.If God could send jesus a man that one can see and yet people still disbelieve him.Is it a ghost that people can't see they will believe? That is why the Greek old manuscript used to interprete the bible distinctively used the word below: The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire." Jesus says: That seeing they may see, and not perceived: and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them. And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will you know all parables?” Mark 4:10-13,Mathw 13:13 |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 10:05am On May 29, 2015 |
Sweetnecta: EVIDENTLY GOD HAS A PROPER NAME; YAHWEH OR JEHOVAH OR ELOI, ETC. CHRIST HAS A PROPER NAME, JESUS WHAT IS THE PROPER NAME OF SPIRIT OF TRUTH BECAUSE HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST IS NOT A PROPER NAME BUT A TITLE OR DESCRIPTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROPER NAME FOR IT/HIM, IT AINT GOD AND THERE GOES FLAT YOUR THEORY ABOUT TRINITARIAN GOD CONCEPT. I was not going to comment on this thread but you seem to be unwise in your question..No offence! Now going by your logic since you have admitted that the proper name of God is Yahweh and that of christ is Jesus. Can you now tell us the name of your Allah?For the record take the 'Holy spirit' in contrast with 'Evil spirit'..the moment you know the name of Evil spirit I will tell you the name of the Holy spirit. Answer my question above. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 10:08am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:
This is exactly my point What is the name of your Allah? "Allah" is an Arabic word for "God" and its not a proper name, what is the proper name of your God(Allah)? 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 10:28am On May 29, 2015 |
Maamin:
What is the name of your Allah?
"Allah" is an Arabic word for "God" and its not a proper name, what is the proper name of your God(Allah)? Is the holy ghost in talk of this verse of john is the 3rd member of the trinity? |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 10:35am On May 29, 2015 |
Your questions are senseless because they are baseless alllegations.
I can say the same for you too Back to the issue of holy ghost speaking.You christians always get jesus wrong often times whenever he says anything in the bible.The same way you interpreted him when he used the word "son of God" is just the same way you understand "holy ghost speaking" In other words You muslims always get Jesus wrong often times whenever he says anything in the bible. .But the truth is holy ghost doesn't talk like human beign but rather "inspire" just like when they say "GOD Speak" not in the real sense of it. How do you know that the Holy spirit does not talk like human being? Have you any encounter with tho holy spirit before? Take a sit jaré! That is why up till now none you of have never seen the holy ghost live,talking to people and teaching people the word of God just the way jesus did during is life time. Jesus was referring in that verse of John to a person like him(human) that will speak,hear,teach and show like he did. Did muhammed came during the time of Jesus disciples as he Jesus said to his disciples? Do you also believe in the part he Jesus said the holy spirit will take from what is his? For all what the father owns is His as well..do you believe Jesus have a father and a God? Moreover the holy ghost has ever been present before jesus came and also present with jesus during his mission.So why would jesus sent holy ghost that has ever been present to the disciples who knew this fact.But rather jesus was referring to a new person entirely a prophet and not a ghost.If God could send jesus a man that one can see and yet people still disbelieve him.Is it a ghost that people can't see they will believe? Oh! Yes the Holy spirit has ever been present but not to everyone but specific spiritual head and rulers of that time...but as gift that comes with the new covenant (brit hadasha) brought to the world by the Son of God, the holy spirit is now given to all believers in Christ Jesus. Yes the Holy spirit is the power of God ministering to believers in it own different and unique level just like Christ has done in the past...and of course the bible spoke about people like you who will neither see or recognise the Holy spirit. That is why the Greek old manuscript used to interprete the bible distinctively used the word below:
The Greek word translated as "hear" in the Biblical verses ("whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak" is the Greek word "akouo" {ak-oo'-o} meaning to perceive sounds. It has, for instance, given us the word "acoustics," the science of sounds. Similarly the verb "to speak" is the Greek verb "laleo" {lal-eh'-o} which has the general meaning "to emit sounds" and the specific meaning "to speak." This verb occurs very frequently in the Greek text of the Gospels. It designates a solemn declaration by Jesus (peace be upon him) during his preachings (For example Matthew 9:18). Obviously these verbs require hearing and speech organs in order to facilitate them. There is a distinct difference between someone "inspiring" something and him "speaking" something. So the Paraclete will "hear" and "speak," not "inspire."
Jesus says:
That seeing they may see, and not perceived: and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them. And He said unto them, Know ye not this parable? And how then will you know all parables?” Mark 4:10-13,Mathw 13:13 Irrelevant repetition. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 10:39am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:
Is the holy ghost in talk of this verse of john is the 3rd member of the trinity? Is that the name of your Allah? Tell me the name of your Allah and I will answer everything you want to know about the holy spirit. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Rilwayne001: 10:43am On May 29, 2015 |
Maamin:
Is that the name of your Allah? ALLAH is the arabic word for GOD ALMIGHTY, you can deny this to show your coconuthead Tell me the name of your Allah and I will answer everything you want to know about the holy spirit. Is the holy ghost in talk of this verse of john the 3rd member of the trinity? Do you believe in trinity? |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Sweetnecta: 11:38am On May 29, 2015 |
@Maamin(m): 10:05am Sweetnecta: EVIDENTLY GOD HAS A PROPER NAME; YAHWEH OR JEHOVAH OR ELOI, ETC. CHRIST HAS A PROPER NAME, Jesus WHAT IS THE PROPER NAME OF SPIRIT OF TRUTH BECAUSE HOLY SPIRIT OR HOLY GHOST IS NOT A PROPER NAME BUT A TITLE OR DESCRIPTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PROPER NAME FOR IT/HIM, IT AINT GOD AND THERE GOES FLAT YOUR THEORY ABOUT TRINITARIAN GOD CONCEPT.
I was not going to comment on this thread but you seem to be unwise in your question..No offence!
Now going by your logic since you have admitted that the proper name of God is Yahweh and that of christ is Jesus. Can you now tell us the name of your Allah?
For the record take the 'Holy spirit' in contrast with 'Evil spirit'..the moment you know the name of Evil spirit I will tell you the name of the Holy spirit.
Answer my question above. NO OFFENSE TAKEN. I MAY BE UNWISE. BUT I SURE KNOW THAT THE NAME OF GOD IN THE BIBLE IS YAHWEH WHEN MOSES WAS TALKING TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ELOI FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS ON OF MARY, JEHOVAH WHEN THEY LATER LATINIZED IT AND IN QURAN HE IS ALLAH [SO YOUR ASKING ME TO GIVE YOU THE NAME OF MY ALLAH IS NOT A WELL THOUGHT OUT QUESTION]. ALLAH IS A PROPER NAME OF GOD IN ARABIC LANGUAGE. CHECK ARABIC BIBLE YOU WILL FIND ALLAH AS NAME OF GOD INSTEAD OF YAHWEH OR ELOI OR JEHOVAH. I THINK THE NAME OF THE CHIEF OF EVIL SPIRIT IS SATAN. THE SUPPORTERS OR FOLLOWERS OF SATAN AMONG THE SPIRITS ARE DEMONS. YOU ARE NOW OBLIGATED TO TELL ME THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. HIS PROPER NAME PLEASE SINCE WE ALREADY KNOW THE NAME OF GOD WHO IS NOT RUNNING ERRANDS BUT SENDING JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT TO RUN ERRANDS. WE ALSO KNOW THE PROPER NAME OF CHRIST. BUT WE DONT KNOW THE PROPER NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT/HOLY GHOST. PLEASE DONT GIVE ME JUST A NAME UNLESS YOU ARE SURE IT IS THE PROPER NAME BECAUSE I WILL WANT YOU TO CHECK FROM THE BIBLE FIRST. I WILL CHECK WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO ME AND I WILL CALL YOU OUT IF YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU DONT KNOW IT JUST SAY SO AND GO FIND OUT FROM YOUR PASTORS. I AM CERTAIN THEY WILL NOT KNOW IF YOU DONT KNOW. IN FACT NO ONE WILL KNOW BECAUSE I DONT KNOW IT AND I HAVE SEARCHED FOR DECADES WITHOUT FINDING IT. |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 2:44pm On May 29, 2015 |
Sweetnecta: @Maamin(m): 10:05am
NO OFFENSE TAKEN. I MAY BE UNWISE. BUT I SURE KNOW THAT THE NAME OF GOD IN THE BIBLE IS YAHWEH WHEN MOSES WAS TALKING TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, ELOI FROM THE MOUTH OF JESUS ON OF MARY, JEHOVAH WHEN THEY LATER LATINIZED IT AND IN QURAN HE IS ALLAH [SO YOUR ASKING ME TO GIVE YOU THE NAME OF MY ALLAH IS NOT A WELL THOUGHT OUT QUESTION]. ALLAH IS A PROPER NAME OF GOD IN ARABIC LANGUAGE. CHECK ARABIC BIBLE YOU WILL FIND ALLAH AS NAME OF GOD INSTEAD OF YAHWEH OR ELOI OR JEHOVAH.
I THINK THE NAME OF THE CHIEF OF EVIL SPIRIT IS SATAN. THE SUPPORTERS OR FOLLOWERS OF SATAN AMONG THE SPIRITS ARE DEMONS.
YOU ARE NOW OBLIGATED TO TELL ME THE NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. HIS PROPER NAME PLEASE SINCE WE ALREADY KNOW THE NAME OF GOD WHO IS NOT RUNNING ERRANDS BUT SENDING JESUS AND HOLY SPIRIT TO RUN ERRANDS. WE ALSO KNOW THE PROPER NAME OF CHRIST. BUT WE DONT KNOW THE PROPER NAME OF THE HOLY SPIRIT/HOLY GHOST. PLEASE DONT GIVE ME JUST A NAME UNLESS YOU ARE SURE IT IS THE PROPER NAME BECAUSE I WILL WANT YOU TO CHECK FROM THE BIBLE FIRST. I WILL CHECK WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO ME AND I WILL CALL YOU OUT IF YOU ARE WRONG. IF YOU DONT KNOW IT JUST SAY SO AND GO FIND OUT FROM YOUR PASTORS. I AM CERTAIN THEY WILL NOT KNOW IF YOU DONT KNOW. IN FACT NO ONE WILL KNOW BECAUSE I DONT KNOW IT AND I HAVE SEARCHED FOR DECADES WITHOUT FINDING IT. As you are allowed to shamelessly lie in islam...how daring of you to lie in the face of all truth that the name of your God is Allah! Here is the simplest definition of Allah by Wiki: Allah (English pronunciation: /ˈælə/ or /ˈɑːlə/;[1] Arabic: الله Allāh, IPA: [ʔalˤˈlˤɑːh]) is the Arabic word for God (al ilāh, literally "the God" .[2][3][4] The word has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.[5][6] It is used mainly by Muslims to refer to God in Islam,[7] but it has also been used by Arab Christians since pre-Islamic times.[8] It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.[5][9][10] Christians and Sikhs in West Malaysia also use and have used the word to refer to God. This has caused political and legal controversies there as the law in West Malaysia prohibits non-Islamic uses of the word.[11][12][13][14] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AllahYou muslims use the word "Allah" to refer to God in islam..you dont have any proper name for Allah, the word "Allah" is not a name but title just like God in english, Oluwa in yoruba, Elohim in hebrew, Theo in greek, Elah in aramaic, Chineke in igbo etc. So I ask for the last time what is the name of your God not title.? 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 2:54pm On May 29, 2015 |
[quote author=Rilwayne001 post=34204612] ALLAH is the arabic word for GOD ALMIGHTY, you can deny this to show your coconuthead
Arabic word for God is not the same thing as name..i asked of Allah's name, stop dodging and twisting my question. Is the holy ghost in talk of this verse of john the 3rd member of the trinity? Do you believe in trinity?
I ask you for the last time what is the proper name not arabic word for your God O?..i mean NAME. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by eshbeewanna: 3:30pm On May 29, 2015 |
Maamin:
I can say the same for you too
In other words You muslims always get Jesus wrong often times whenever he says anything in the bible.
How do you know that the Holy spirit does not talk like human being? Have you any encounter with tho holy spirit before? Take a sit jaré!
Did muhammed came during the time of Jesus disciples as he Jesus said to his disciples? Do you also believe in the part he Jesus said the holy spirit will take from what is his? For all what the father owns is His as well..do you believe Jesus have a father and a God?
Oh! Yes the Holy spirit has ever been present but not to everyone but specific spiritual head and rulers of that time...but as gift that comes with the new covenant (brit hadasha) brought to the world by the Son of God, the holy spirit is now given to all believers in Christ Jesus. Yes the Holy spirit is the power of God ministering to believers in it own different and unique level just like Christ has done in the past...and of course the bible spoke about people like you who will neither see or recognise the Holy spirit.
Irrelevant repetition. Let me tell you one simple truth you got all your knowledge from apostle paul (pauline christianity)who caused this confusion for you christians of today because paul himself was the one who propounded the theory of trinity.which jesus himself never preached. The belief that jesus was referring to holy ghost when he made the statement in john was as a result of what paul interpreted for you in other to justify his theory of trinity.In fact he confessed that he had to decieve you people for to follow him. Common sense tells us that you follow paul and not jesus. Now let me ask you this question if, jesus was referring to holy ghost as you claim. Does it mean that it is the holy ghost that teaches,tell and show the different denomination of christianity to have conflicting doctrines and beliefs?The likes of Jehova witness,Catholics,penticostal,celestial churches,olumba olumba,seventh day adventist etc Because everyone claims to be guided by the holy ghost. Definately if it was the holy spirit that jesus was talking about it couldn't caused you people these confusion.But in the opposit what you people claim to appear and also talk to you is nothing but a false spirit.That's why most of your visions and teaching are false. Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better." 1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..." 1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..." 1 Kings 22:22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.' 1 Kings 22:23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you." 2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.' |
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Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 3:56pm On May 29, 2015 |
eshbeewanna:
Let me tell you one simple truth you got all your knowledge from apostle paul (pauline christianity)who caused this confusion for you christians of today because paul himself was the one who propounded the theory of trinity.which jesus himself never preached. The belief that jesus was referring to holy ghost when he made the statement in john was as a result of what paul interpreted for you in other to justify his theory of trinity.In fact he confessed that he had to decieve you people for to follow him. Common sense tells us that you follow paul and not jesus.
Now let me ask you this question if, jesus was referring to holy ghost as you claim. Does it mean that it is the holy ghost that teaches,tell and show the different denomination of christianity to have conflicting doctrines and beliefs?The likes of Jehova witness,Catholics,penticostal,celestial churches,olumba olumba,seventh day adventist etc Because everyone claims to be guided by the holy ghost. Definately if it was the holy spirit that jesus was talking about it couldn't caused you people these confusion.But in the opposit what you people claim to appear and also talk to you is nothing but a false spirit.That's why most of your visions and teaching are false.
Samuel 16:16 "Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."
1 Samuel 18:10 "The next day an evil spirit from God came forcefully upon Saul. He was prophesying in his house, while David was playing the harp, as he usually did. Saul had a spear in his hand..."
1 Samuel 19:9 "But an evil spirit from the LORD came upon Saul as he was sitting in his house with his spear in his hand. While David was playing the harp,..."
1 Kings 22:22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked. " 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
1 Kings 22:23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."
2 Chronicles 18:21 " 'I will go and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said. " 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'
Which of my questions above did you answer? |
Re: Who Is The Spirit Of Truth In The Holly Bible. by Maamin(m): 3:58pm On May 29, 2015 |
tartar9: EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows down Amalek and his people. EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave may be beaten to death with no punishment for the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die too quickly. EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay 3000 men. LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before your sword." LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children." LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends. LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An example is given in JG 11:30-39 ) NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great plague. NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven days because she and Aaron had spoken against Moses. NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at the Lord's command. NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open and swallow up the men and their households (including wives and children) because the men had been rebellious. NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250 men. NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700 people. NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the Canaanites. NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill many Israelites. NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until there was not one survivor left ...." NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses, take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the Lord against the sun ...." NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly." NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the Lord. NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women and children. NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's command, orders the Israelites to kill all the Midianite male children and "... every woman who has known man ...." (Note: How would it be determined which women had known men? One can only speculate.) NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord. DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Sihon. DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men, women, and children of Og. DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to "utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those whom he gives them for defeat. DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves." DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes." DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women" from the enemy camp to be their captive wives. If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go. DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you." JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing for all the bloody endeavors to follow. JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and children--with the edge of the sword. JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are stoned to death because Achan had taken a taboo thing. JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped. JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua utterly destroys the Gibeonites. JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Makkedah. JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Libnahites. JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the people of Lachish. JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Eglonites. JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Hebronites. JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly destroys the Debirites. JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua defeated the whole land ...; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded." JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung. (Exceedingly cruel.) JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed ...." JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden their hearts that they should come against Israel in battle, in order that they should be utterly destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses." JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim. JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats 10,000 Canaanites at Bezek. JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his thumbs and big toes. JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites Jerusalem. JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who inhabited Zephath. JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites. JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600 Philistines with an oxgoad. JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground. JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites, slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring the heads back to Gideon. JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of Penuel. JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers. JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people in the city. JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me, so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his servant ran him through, and he died." JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved daughter, his only child, according to a vow he has made with the Lord. JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a man and causes him to slay thirty men. JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass. JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's eyes. JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord, pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and causes his own death and that of 3000 other men and women. JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and unsuspecting people of Laish. JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men beat on the door of an old man's house demanding that he turn over to them a male house guest. Instead, the old man offers his virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish them and do with them what seems good to you; but against this man do not do so vile a thing." The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of Israel. JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and beasts and all that they found," and set their towns on fire. JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and; also the women and little ones.... every male and every woman that has lain with a male you shall utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred young virgins whom they bring back for their own use. 1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot soldiers. 1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for having stolen the Ark. 1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's abode.) 1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the Philistines. 1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his men cut down the Ammonites. 1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the Philistines. 1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites. 1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword." 1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord ...." 1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry: "Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten thousands." 1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and infants were included in the slaughter.) 1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites. 2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel. 2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner. 2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth, behead him, and take his head to David. 2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed, their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies hanged by the pool at Hebron. 2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded him, and smote the Philistines ...." 2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren throughout her life. 2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's murderous conquests.) 2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the horses. 2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians. 2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David wherever he went." 2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the valley of salt and made the rest slaves. 2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians. 2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba. 2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead for the sin that David has committed. 2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes her, then hates her. 2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered. 2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the battle in the forest of Ephraim. 2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom. 2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him, stopped." 2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel that kills 70,000 men. 1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered. 1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered. 1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered. 1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating bread and drinking water in a place where the Lord had previously told him not to. This is in spite of the fact that the man had subsequently been lied to by a prophet who told the man that an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright to eat and drink there. 1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000 remaining Syrians. 2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and consumes fifty men. 2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and killed, presumably according to the will of God, for having jeered at a man of God. 2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his descendants forever with leprosy. 2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria. 2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we may eat him,' but she had hidden him." 2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram. 2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed. 2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands remain. 2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded, then sends the heads to their father. 2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed. 2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he had wiped them out, according to the word of the Lord ...." 2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the Baal worshippers. 2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family. 2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then 10,000 Edomites. 2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with leprosy for not having removed the "high places." 2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women who were pregnant. 2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men. 1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes." 2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered. 2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers. PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your little ones against the stones. PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains hands for war and fingers for battle. IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust through; all who are caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished." IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers." IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to become drunk on their own blood as with wine. JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth." LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off than those who die of famine; racked with hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ... pitiful women have cooked their own children, who became their food ..." EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the sword, famine and plague. He that is far away will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall by the sword, and he that survives and is spared will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the people lie slain among their idols around their altars, on every high hill and on all the mountaintops, under every spreading tree and every leafy oak ...." EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men outright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...." EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of their first-born children. EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall go against all flesh. EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and daughters of those who were whores. EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and tear your breasts." HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up." MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron." MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 , 25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his brother to death, and the father his child, ... children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a man's enemies will be the members of his own family." MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of] three cities who were not sufficiently impressed with his great works. AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though not permanently). And what is your point? |