Negro_Ntns:

What's all the fracas about this 20 pounds?  In any war the loosing side owes the victor reparations to cover the cost of fighting the war.  Instead of giving you 20 pounds, Nigeria should have taxed you until the cost is recovered maybe then you will be happy instead of lamenting and gnashing teeth over 20pounds handouts. 

You all want me to open another flood gate on the protocols of war so you can see where you erred?  Shut up already about this 20 pound and let it rest.

Negro_Ntns:



Life is sacred, regardless of its tribal home.  However, Yorubas have a more tenable way of dealing with issues of terror than say Igbo does.  If an Igbo residential area is attacked and Yorubas are residing in there with them of course they will be attacked as well.  

Negro_Ntns:

Why does every Igbo resort to abusive and personal attacks at the jump of the rope? I sincerely believe that you still need rehabilitation from the pains of the war.

Negro_Ntns:

I will be back with some words for you later. You want something that will bring tears to your eyes? Keep it up, you hear. . . keep up your nonsense.

Eziachi:

@Ibime,

My family's property at Rex Lawson St Borokiri in Port Harcourt was still being occupied by an Ijaw family until we reached out of court agreement with them and got the property back with the help of Chief Melford Okilo ( Old Rivers State Governor 1979-1983), who was my father's school mate in the early 50s.  Issue of abandoned property will never die until every man and family get justice. There is no such thing as expired justice? Unless you knew what I don't know.

Eziachi:

@Ibime,
In my last posting I tried to be fair to you regarding your self styled partitioner of PH because I knew in your past comments, you seem to be fair in your accessment of issues but you seems to have lost the plot a bit and busy digging a big hole for yourself.  If Ikwerres are not Igbos, what tribe are they? Why do they bear Igbo names and speak only Igbo language? We don't beg our brothers in Rivers/Delta/Cross River anymore to be Igbos as they tend to have decided after the war as their means of surviving Nigeria. Events has force them recently to think twice. When Odilli wanted to run for president, the likes of Edwin Clarke told him point blank that he should run under the Igbo quota for president, that he Odilli is Igboman and it's their turn, hence they chose clueless Jonathan when they settled for a VP position for SS.

Anioma people to had realise the folly of disowing their ancestory  too just recently, in fact one of them is now the new chairman of Ohaneze Ndigbo.
I don't know how old you are, may be you should ask your Igbo grandad what these town you mentioned above were called before OBASANJO/AYO IRIKIFE BOUNDARY ADJUSTMENT FRAUD OF 1978 (when they scattered Igbo towns all over the place and renamed many places to divide the Igbo nation) Before 1978, this was eaxctle what was obtained as the name of these PH towns:

Elelenwo was Elelenwa (keep an eye on my child)
Rumuomasi was then called Umuomasi (Descendants of Omasi)
Rumuobiakani was then called Umuobiaka-ani (Descendant of Obi Aka ani)
Rumuola was then called Umuola (Descendants of Ola (bangle)
Diobu  (Husband of Obu)
Rumuigbo  was then called Obi-Igbo (Decendants of Obi-Igbo- heart of Igboland)

All these towns all borrowed their names from their original ancestors, just as in many Igbo towns are named after their ancestors and the above towns and others are descedants of Igweocha or Igwenga, which was what Port Harcourt was called before the arrival of the white man. Go to Rivers state tourism minsitry and read the govt gazzettes for yourself and see this facts.

Even the tribalistic Nigerian politics shows its face in PH politics of 1979 politics for instance, where NPP dominated PH politics but Ijaw area like Borokiri was controlled by NPN.

Ibime:

Eziachi, the issue of abandoned property is different to the issue of indigenous rights. My family also abandoned property in Asaba during the war. That does not mean that I should claim Asaba as my hometown.


I have lived with the Ikwerres, both in Mile 1 and Elelenwo. Never has it crossed my mind that they would ever identify themselves as Igbo. You say they speak Igbo, but I am sure that if two Ikwerre men speak here, you will not be able to follow the drift of their conversation, except for picking out a few words here and there. Their language is to Igbo what Spanish is to Portuguese.

Now, let me ask you a question - when did we start calling these places Umuola, Umuomasi etc? I can tell you that is a recent Igbolisation of PH which happened under regional Eastern Government. That is why the names were changed after 1967. Most of that place was bush before, interspersed with Ikwerre settlements. It is not the Ikwerre themselves who named these places, but the Igbo regional Government. They did not stop to ask what the locals call these places, they just put Igbo names here and there.

You have not been following my posts on here, otherwise you would respond to this argument I set forth:

PH started in Borokiri and then expanded into Ikwerre lands. There is a reason you call it Igwe Ocha (Land of the white man) - simply, it is not your land. If you guys actually lived in Igwe Ocha, you would not name it after the white man. What you call Igwe Ocha is what we Okrikas call Borokiri. You only named it Igwe Ocha after we sold it to the white man and they populated it.

Then, I put this link from Wikipedia:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Harcourt

Port Harcourt was founded in 1912 by the British in an area traditionally inhabited by the Ikwerre and the Ijaw. Igbo traders called it Igwe Ocha which in their native tongue means "land of the white man". The land which is actually the Okrika Ijaw fishing settlement called Borokiri was given to the British to settle for administrative purpose replacing Degema in the heart of Kalabari which had become too far and obscure. The Chief Yellow of Bakana ( Kalabari ) stood as a witness when the Amayanabo ( KING ) of Okrika handed over the land to the British. The initial purpose of the port was to export the coal which geologist Albert Ernest Kitson had discovered in Enugu. Port Harcourt today has expanded deeply into Ikwere settlements. It attracted many Igbo traders and laborers who settled there in its early years. Igbo manpower played a major role in the development of Port Harcourt and today many of Port Harcourt's residents are Igbo.


I put this from Wikipedia because my father told me the story when I was a child. My great grandfather, Chief John George who was the Kingmaker in Okrika at the time was involved in the transaction, and if you ask the Fiberesima family, they will show you which parts of PH had belonged to them. That is why I always laugh whenever Igbo's try to claim PH.

If you wish to claim the Ikwerre side of PH, that is between you and them. But we draw boundary from Isaac Boro Park, and anything to the east of Rainbow.

Now we can almost answer the posters question: What if the civil war was a success?

One of the answers is that the Igbo's would have stolen PH.

Ibime:

You see, any time facts come into play, the Igbo will dismiss it. They prefer to rely on folklore.

The land of the white man is not yours! We sold it to them.

let me spell it out to you: IT IS A FACT THAT THE BRITISH PAID OKRIKA TO BUY IGWE OCHA!

I have known this since I was a child.

There are many links I can provide if you wish, but you will always refuse to believe.

Isn't it funny that me, a PH indigene is here arguing with boys from Asa, Aba, Owerri and Onitsha as to who owns PH? You guys should should go and bring an Ikwerre man, a true indigene of PH to come and argue jor.

We the Okrikas and the Ikwerres know our boundaries. We need no outside interference please. I have stated the boundaries of PH. Anything to the North and North West of Boro Park is Ikwerre land. Anything to the South of Boro Park is Okrika land. Anything to the South-East of Rainbow is Okrika land. Everything to the East of Aba road otherwise is Ikwerre land. Bundu waterside belongs originally to the Ogoni. And there are one or two Kalabari and Egbenni settlements.

Eziachi:

So if you can't understand an Ikwerre man Igbo ascent or dialect that does not mean they are not IGBOS. The worse form of Igbo ascent to understand even among the most die hard Igbo language scholars are Afikpo and Wawa (Nsukkka/Abakaliki, Enugu)
Anioma/Oshimili/Onitsha spoke differently too and it's called in Ijekebee.
But we had what we called central Igbo tongue, mainly adopted/spoke by the people Mbano, Okwelle, Ohambele etc.

ow11:

How did a wishful thinking thread turn to ownership of PH tussle?

I thought Igwe meant 'King' in Igbo, Igbo people (romeo ) have argued previously that PH is owned by Igbos and it is statements like this that cause a lot of problems. Even If Ikwerre people are Igbos (I don't care If they are), they do not 'own' the entire city.

Dede1 and romeo should read Eziachi's post and stop browbeating Ibime.

romeo:

sharap dia! Como vuelvas a mencionar mi nombre te arranco la mandibula hijo de puta asqueroso

ow11:

The brain dead hillbilly from Mallorca has just escaped from the san and is running loose on NL. . . It shows your glaring lack of wit to write bollocks in a language many can't understand just because you are deficient in English language. So you can kpoa all you want in spanish, I do not give a flying Bleep!!

Once again, read Eziachi's post or you can gorge your eyes out so we know you can't see anything and can then permit your drivel on this thread!!

ANUOFIA!!

When people like you talk, you just wonder if they know what the issue is or just spewing out anything that their brain can come out with. So Africans that want reparation from the West are the winners in slave trade saga according to your brain full of wisdom? Or the [b]Jews demanding reparation were Victors against the Nazis?[/[/b]quote]

Eziachi,

. . . let's see who'se brain is fried here.

Unlike Biafra which declared war against Nigeria and lost, African Americans did not fight a war with the West and neither did Jews declare war against Nazi.

Get it right!!!

20 Pounds given to Igbos were not a social security handout from Nigerians to the Igbos, the 20 Pounds comes from whatever money they seized from a bank account of every Igbo man, they will give the person 20 pound and the kept the rest. My family had over £600,000 in the Barclays bank and were given £20 and Nigerian government kept the remaining. That is what the 20 pounds is all about and not a gift as you thought. Those without money at all started life with nothing at all.

You need to study the history of war and read particularly on something called "spoils of war", as well as "reparation for cost of fighting war". When you disregard responsibility and allow your recklessness to lead your ego into an un-winnable battle, then you must understand there are consequences waiting at the end of the loss.

but. . .you had no history of wars, Biafra was your first and so I understand why you are clueless and un-elightened on these matters.

Why does every Yoruba or other tribes in Nigeria shit on their pants at the mention of Biafra?

Romeo,

I have an answer for you. Before that I have an assignment for you tonight. I need you to look at the title of this thread and consider my first response relative to the subject. Here, I will paste it for you.

Everywhere on the web Igbos are resoundingly united in the move for a successful cessation out of Nigeria and the start of a new life as Biafran citizens. If the war was a success Biafra would have penetrated Westward and take over Yorubaland. Biafra would have taken over Hausaland. There would not be a Nigeria and a Biafra, there would be a Biafra with Yorubas and Hausas as minorities and the name Nigeria would have been history.

Unfortunately for Biafra that did not happen. So what's next for Biafra beside accounts of war and agitation for cessation?

Look at that quote closely, study it, I did not say that spontaneously it came with depth and thoughtfulness and it answers your question word for word. I will give it time to simmer in your mind and then I will come back later, maybe tomorrow or next day and interprete it for you. Pay attention to the bold.

ow11:

How did a wishful thinking thread turn to ownership of PH tussle?

I thought Igwe meant 'King' in Igbo, Igbo people (romeo ) have argued previously that PH is owned by Igbos and it is statements like this that cause a lot of problems. Even If Ikwerre people are Igbos (I don't care If they are), they do not 'own' the entire city.

Dede1 and romeo should read Eziachi's post and stop browbeating Ibime.

nuzo:

This is the first time you've gone nuts on nairaland. What do you mean by worst form of Igbo ascent to understand?
Tender your appologies immediately.

Negro_Ntns:

You need to study the history of war and read particularly on something called "spoils of war", as well as "reparation for cost of fighting war".  When you disregard responsibility and allow your recklessness to lead your ego into an un-winnable battle, then you must understand there are consequences waiting at the end of the loss. 

butyou had no history of wars, Biafra was your first and so I understand why you are clueless and un-elightened on these matters. 


Romeo,

I have an answer for you.  Before that I have an assignment for you tonight.  I need you to look at the title of this thread and consider my first response relative to the subject.  Here, I will paste it for you.


Look at that quote closely, study it, I did not say that spontaneously it came with depth and thoughtfulness and it answers your question word for word.  I will give it time to simmer in your mind and then I will come back later, maybe tomorrow or next day and interprete it for you.  Pay attention to the bold.