Sctests:


I agree, there are quack Scientists and but i have never met anyone who hasn't had a near-death experience with quack physicians and butchers in white coat. I have not.

And can you describe the origin of the word 'doctor'?

zeezahbee:
Armadeo, did you read the beginning of this argument. How will you be reading out a diagnoses , giving prescription from a book every time a patient is right in front of you. it is different from reading a book before you get to work or during breaks.

If you keep reading it out from the book every time, then there's problem. How many patients will you attend to because you will be wasting time.

sewenswepzy:
I don't understand why all this health professionals keeps complaining and discrimating one another's profession, can't dey just love each other and work together in one accord.

nobilis:


There is no airplane that is "automated". Having an auto-pilot mode doesn't mean it is automated. Check the meaning of automated in your dictionary or you use the link below.

http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/automated

Secondly, just note that when a plane is in auto-pilot mode, it is flying itself. The pilot isn't flying it.

Let me give you an example of an automated machine. The ATM. It dispenses money. Now, an ATM can do the work of 10 bank cashiers in a day and even works 24/7 as long as there is power supply and there is a stash of money in it.
Where as banking and finance is a 4 year course, learning how to operate an ATM will take at most a day or two. And anybody can learn it. I don't need a banking and finance graduate to operate the atm.
Now that is automation at work.
Apply the above analogy to automated lab machines and laboratories.

Shey you grab?

MeAboki:


Pls read my post carefully again and review your comments; then show me where I drew that conclusion?

Assuming I did, you still went ahead and contradicted yourself by your very next statement (after having unnecessarily referred me to the definition of automation) i.e. agreeing with my latter statement concerning auto-pilot.

So Oga, Mr. definition, pls let us know; when an aircraft is on auto-pilot i.e. flying itself, would you call that manual or automatic mode; then maybe you can also tell us from what word the latter was derived from and why such a feature in an aircraft as auto-pilot should not be included the definition of automation.

As for your analogy of bank cashiers with ATMs against the advent of automation in medical laboratories and the presumed possible future consequence on the careers of lab scientists; well I'll have to say the comparison is too simplified and very naive, not even worth responding to - besides, my very first comments have already addressed it.

Sctests:



Go back to the link you posted and peruse it
carefully, your asm-ascp website does not say it confers on
you "Medical laboratory Scientist" competencies. Let me quote an excerpt from your source

"Those who pass the exam are certified as a
Technologist in Microbiology (M) or Specialist in Microbiology (SM) by the ASCP and
are issued a certificate with both organizations' names on it."-----http://www.asm.org/index.php/nrcm-cert

Did you notice they were careful not have added the word "Medical"
in front of the "Technologist"? The medico-legal issues surrounding the practice can not
be wished away in countries where they are serious about this practice. Do non-biomedcal scientists(BMS)
in the UK work with patient's samples to achieve results aimed at diagnosis. Do you know that the title "BMS" is a protected title
in the U.K?

Again on your website let's take a look at the functions of a Registered Microbiologist and Specialist Microbiologist.
Is there any job description there with any semblance of working in a Medical laboratory for diagnostic purpose?

You guys have your fields, how many Medical lab Scientists are employed as Food microbiologists, industrial chemists, Environmental biologist and so on?
Do we run the environmental testing laboratories too?. You need to stop seeing the Medical lab Scientist as an ordinary 'Operator' not eligible to differentiate between a hyperglycemic sample caused by DM and a contaminated sample.


Listen the physician's here will click likes and applaud you, but if have any sense of history you will understand
that during the days of biologist/chemist in IMLT, almost every clueless physician will point to the lab and blame it when they butcher a patient.

The lab guys were the fall guys in those days. When a patient dies, it's the lab that delayed results. They prescribe the wrong
antibiotics- "oh that numbskull in the lab didn't run the AST effectively".

Well those "lab guys" have taken responsibility, built capacity, and equipped themselves with enhanced knowledge,
now regulate the laboratory with the full backing of the law. Why should that be a problem? Our national/state hospitals now have very few cases of misdiagnosis traceable to the laboratory. Nowadays, we no longer get frequent finger-pointings for giving bad results and endangering patients as it was in the 70's and 80's, Now we only get finger-pointing for asking to head the medical laboratories we developed-OUR PRIMARY CONSTITUENCIES in accordance with the law. It is a positive turn-around if you ask me.

Wide consultations were made before that ACT was passed as Law, people who thought the "kitchen"/labs should be thrown to the
backyard and blamed it for all their malpractice misfortunes are the ones crying foul today. Our Medical laboratories are getting strengthened,
the Medical Lab.Scientists will keep building capacities through enhanced knowledge and application of same and the patients can only be the greatest winner.

If you are looking to get us back to that age where the "Lab guy" is the fall guy for everyone else and is expected to gladly accept that, then i'm sorry the Law disagrees with you.

In the 50s' and 60's we had medical assistants treating patients because we didn't have enough Physicians, today we have more than ?40,000 physicians.
In the 70's we didn't have enough MLS/Biomedical Scientists. The biologists/chemists without basic knowledge in medical science were drafted in. These were all stop-gap complementary efforts.
Today Nigeria has at least 8,000 Medical Laboratory Scientists. Why go back to the inglorious era?

I am new on this forum, been reading as a guest for months, attracted by lots of misinformation about the MLS profession
and not a reincarnation of anyone. I will also like to meet fellow MLS on these forum. They seem to be very few on this website.

Wow,am rily spellbound reading dis highly intelligently and sagacious piece by a Mlsct.God bless u for this expository piece.

Jeflox:
INDEED I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY NIGERIA IS. EVERYTHING IS JUST MOVING DISORDERLY WITH NOBODY DIRECTING THEM TO MOVE ARIGHT. TALKING ABOUT OUR HEALTH SECTOR....POLITICS HAVE EATEN DEEP INTO HEALTH SECTOR THAT THE EFFECT IS VERY MUCH TELLING ON THE POOR PATIENTS IN ALL NIGERIAN HOSPITALS. WHAT ARE THESE POLITICS GOING ON ALWAYS BETWEEN DOCTORS AND OTHER HEALTH WORKERS ESPECIALLY MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTISTS. THOUGH AM A BARRISTER BUT I REMEMBERED VIVIDLY WHEN THE FIGHT WAS BETWEEN DOCTORS AND PHARMACISTS, DOCTORS AND NURSES, DOCTORS AND RADIOGRAPHERS, DOCTORS AND PHYSIOTHERAPISTS, NOW IT'S DOCTORS AND MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTISTS. WHY CAN'T ACTUALLY NIGERIAN DOCTORS FACE THEIR WORK WITHOUT THIS THEIR CONSTANT FIGHT WITH OTHER HEALTH WORKERS. THE TRUTH SHOULD BE TOLD PLS, WHAT ARE THE PATHOLOGISTS CLAIMING THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT LABORATORY ANALYSIS THAN THE MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST THAT JUST SPENT 5YEARS +1 READING ONLY THE COURSE AND U THAT MIGHT HAVE DONE IT AS A CRASH PROGRAM FOR PROBABLY ONE YEAR WANT TO GO AND HEAD THEM. SINCE I HAVE KNOWN DOCTORS.....IT'S BEEN ALL ABOUT HEADING THIS PEOPLE AND HEADING THAT PEOPLE. I SEE POMPOSITY IN OUR NIGERIAN DOCTORS WHEN MANY OF THEM ACTUALLY NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL....HAVE MET ONE DIAGNOSING ME LOOKING AT TEXTBOOK. I AM DIRECTLY TALKING TO OUR NIGERIAN DOCTORS .....REDUCE UR EGO, I THINK THAT IS UR PROBLEM. SINCE U HAVE UR DEPARTMENT, PLS HEAD IT AND LEAVE OTHER HEALTH WORKERS TO DO THEIR JOB PLZ. THE MAIN CHAIN OF HOSPITAL CONSULTATION SHOULD WORK IN HARMONY: DOCTOR - NURSE- PHARMACIST- MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST. THE FIGHT BETWEEN THE PATHOLOGIST AND MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST MAKES IT LOOK AS IF PATHOLOGISTS ARE CONFUSED ABOUT THEIR JOB DISCRIPTION.....BCOZ I CANT IMAGINE WHY A PATHOLOGIST IS TRYING TO RUN A TEST HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE
ABOUT. IF THEY ARE PAYING A DOCTOR, 400K, LET THEM PAY A MEDICAL LAB. SCIENTIST 300K, SINCE THE MONEY IS NOT COMING FROM ANY OF U BUT IT'S OUR NAIJA MONEY. BOTH GROUPS ARE TRYING.

oyatz:

Google is your friend bro,why not google 'Medical Laboratories' and see the Professional Staff where the Pathologist comes first and MLS is placed on No.4
Sir,google is still working,why not search for 'Pathologist' on google and see what they do.

IMAGINE WHY A PATHOLOGIST IS TRYING TO RUN A TEST HE HAS NO KNOWLEDGE ABOUT

Sctests:



Go back to the link you posted and peruse it
carefully, your asm-ascp website does not say it confers on
you "Medical laboratory Scientist" competencies. Let me quote an excerpt from your source

"Those who pass the exam are certified as a
Technologist in Microbiology (M) or Specialist in Microbiology (SM) by the ASCP and
are issued a certificate with both organizations' names on it."-----http://www.asm.org/index.php/nrcm-cert

Did you notice they were careful not have added the word "Medical"
in front of the "Technologist"? The medico-legal issues surrounding the practice can not
be wished away in countries where they are serious about this practice. Do non-biomedcal scientists(BMS)
in the UK work with patient's samples to achieve results aimed at diagnosis. Do you know that the title "BMS" is a protected title
in the U.K?

Again on your website let's take a look at the functions of a Registered Microbiologist and Specialist Microbiologist.
Is there any job description there with any semblance of working in a Medical laboratory for diagnostic purpose?

You guys have your fields, how many Medical lab Scientists are employed as Food microbiologists, industrial chemists, Environmental biologist and so on?
Do we run the environmental testing laboratories too?. You need to stop seeing the Medical lab Scientist as an ordinary 'Operator' not eligible to differentiate between a hyperglycemic sample caused by DM and a contaminated sample.


Listen the physician's here will click likes and applaud you, but if have any sense of history you will understand
that during the days of biologist/chemist in IMLT, almost every clueless physician will point to the lab and blame it when they butcher a patient.

The lab guys were the fall guys in those days. When a patient dies, it's the lab that delayed results. They prescribe the wrong
antibiotics- "oh that numbskull in the lab didn't run the AST effectively".

Well those "lab guys" have taken responsibility, built capacity, and equipped themselves with enhanced knowledge,
now regulate the laboratory with the full backing of the law. Why should that be a problem? Our national/state hospitals now have very few cases of misdiagnosis traceable to the laboratory. Nowadays, we no longer get frequent finger-pointings for giving bad results and endangering patients as it was in the 70's and 80's, Now we only get finger-pointing for asking to head the medical laboratories we developed-OUR PRIMARY CONSTITUENCIES in accordance with the law. It is a positive turn-around if you ask me.

Wide consultations were made before that ACT was passed as Law, people who thought the "kitchen"/labs should be thrown to the
backyard and blamed it for all their malpractice misfortunes are the ones crying foul today. Our Medical laboratories are getting strengthened,
the Medical Lab.Scientists will keep building capacities through enhanced knowledge and application of same and the patients can only be the greatest winner.

If you are looking to get us back to that age where the "Lab guy" is the fall guy for everyone else and is expected to gladly accept that, then i'm sorry the Law disagrees with you.

In the 50s' and 60's we had medical assistants treating patients because we didn't have enough Physicians, today we have more than ?40,000 physicians.
In the 70's we didn't have enough MLS/Biomedical Scientists. The biologists/chemists without basic knowledge in medical science were drafted in. These were all stop-gap complementary efforts.
Today Nigeria has at least 8,000 Medical Laboratory Scientists. Why go back to the inglorious era?

I am new on this forum, been reading as a guest for months, attracted by lots of misinformation about the MLS profession
and not a reincarnation of anyone. I will also like to meet fellow MLS on these forum. They seem to be very few on this website.




You are wrong sir! There is no where in the civilized World where, ONLY one class of professional called MLS are the only ones working in Medical Laboratories.
Pls google Medical Laboratoties and click on the section on Professionals in Medical Labs where the Pathologist come first,followed by Clinical Biochemist,then Pathologist's Assistant before Medical Lab Scientists.
The idea that ONLY MLS will be carring out all the Medical tests done in all parts of Nigeria for 170 million people is not realistic albeit impossible.
The unnecessary interprofessional rivalry is more pronounced In Gov't teaching hospitals. In the Private sector,which control 80% of the Med Labs in Nigeria, it will be very difficult to make the Med Labs solely for Med Lab Scientists

Chau:
Lastly...a clinical pathologist(Nigeria) is an individual who having studied Medicine for 6yrs + 1year internship + 1yr NYSC + residency in Clinical pathology 4-6years+ and then sometimes 1yr Fellowship. These are the authorised doctors to supervise/ work/head not just the laboratories(employees here include Medical Lab scientist, technicians) and also give advices to patient physician and are fondly called the Doctor's doctor.

Contrary to most opinions that they are just fresh medical graduates.