johnydon22:

You know all this long boring post was unnecessary...
I only suggested you also post similar verses from bible for discussion just like you do the quran.
Dont know why you got all defensive even when no question was posed yet.
have no time any more opening religious thread, so you religious folks do that yourselves..
all i am saying is post from both bible and koran so the killings and barbarisms in both books will be discussed not being one sided because of your sentimental attachments to the bible...
I dont even have time to argue anymore shaaa...the truth should be balanced dont you think?

Let me know when Christians start killing unbelievers and with verses from the bible showing Jesus commands them to.

MzNelly:


But God says Multiply and fill the earth

I dont care what he wants to be...but do u think St Paul violated your law?

limamintruth:


And i consider evangelism to be in phases. There is the evangelism were you preach the gospel of Christ Jesus to the heathens; there's also the one in which you expose the plans & lies of the agent of darkness to people, so that everyone will beware & be informed about the conspiracies of the the devil in winning more lost souls to his side. There is another evangelism that solely involves philanthropy i.e where one spreads the message of christ through giving, sharing & kindness; thereby using only good deeds (not words) to win more souls to christ Jesus.

Beautiful summation.

limamintruth:


To the best of my knowledge, there's nothing like horrors in the bible. So why not identify these 'biblical horrors' you claim exist, for us to also see?

If you are referring to the ancient wars fought by the jews as recorded in the bible, those are war scenerios. And in every war, people die (even the isrealites lost so many of their people during most of these wars).

So what horrors are you then talking of?

johnydon22 is a humanist who thinks the Jews and Arabs should have been out hugging trees and shopping for iphones for 4800 years of their recorded history.

Ifeann:


johnydon22 is a humanist who thinks the Jews and Arabs should have been out hugging trees and shopping for iphones for 4800 years of their recorded history.

Hmmm, no wonder

Rilwayne001 Empiree Tartar Zeezahbee Abuamam come and attend to Ifeann oooo, we nid answer.

Ifeann:

I am not trying to "cage" them like u said but trying to set them free with truth.

Ma'am, but in the end you nailed them, hammered them, they turned to personal attack in their desperation to find fault in your beliefs. Sometimes telling the truth or criticizing others only enrages them, hardening their hearth. In several instances, i refused to step in to defend Islam because i acknowledge that your allegations are true to an "Islam" that is out there. By the way, you seem to be getting under the skin of Islam section agents. Do take a break.

usermane:


Ma'am, but in the end you nailed them, hammered them, they turned to personal attack in their desperation to find fault in your beliefs. Sometimes telling the truth or criticizing others only enrages them, hardening their hearth. In several instances, i refused to step in to defend Islam because i acknowledge that your allegations are true to an "Islam" that is out there. By the way, you seem to be getting under the skin of Islam section agents. Do take a break.

I salute ya courage bro, ya indeed a true islam, and I feel dat islam nids to be reformed. Unlike d likes of tartar9 Rilwayne001 Empiree Zeezahbee Abuamam and co dat just carry islam as if its more than wad we see or know abt it. Am so happy wen d female muslims come online and say shiT I tell dem wad islam has done to dem, dey just kip quite and remain dumb all tru. Once again I salute ya for ya courage, I follow ya on d islam section and I see how ya confront dem and dey tremble mostly Empiree, guess ya ve his medicine dat makes him weak. Thumbz up.

Ifeann:

Hi buddy, I often don't bother arguing with atheists or agnostics because of their closemindedness on all religion.
I have engaged u before and we kept goin in circles.
Are there killing in the OT, yes
Are there wars in the OT, yes
Are there commands to be fair, loving, righteous etc, also yes
But u are upset about the violence right?
Every civilisation including small tribes, Jews, igbos, fulani, kanuri, yoruba etc have had wars in the past and all have diverse and complex histories.
However, The Jews meticulously recorded theirs and all the prophecies of their prophets and notable events in their history for thousands of years which forms the backdrop for understanding the new testament in greater detail..
You often appeal to events in the old testament which contains ancient passages that was recorded when God was setting up and giving Laws to his people the Jews over 2,800 years before the birth of Christ who came and created our new and improved relationship with his father (600 years afterwhich Mohammed came to preach stonings, beheading, rape of married captives your right hand possessed, child marriage etc )
Have u read the context of the verses u appeal to in the old testament, the inner and historic context. Do u know the theological reason behind the old law..
Why don't u create a topic and ask these questions in a nonmocking manner ( u often use condescending and patronising language, that's right, I have been watching u buddy 0_0 ) and we shall address them.
Shalom.

U find some passages in the Koran offensive... But rememeber there are Muslims who have seen all that and have reason to still see the Koran as credible word of God.
Stop being sentimental because you now find the bible more appealing. There are also many verses in the bible non Christians find offensive, even the Muslims u are persecuting.
Yet you also have reasons to find the bible credible despite all the offensive verses.
You have justification for these verses just as Muslims have justification for theirs that you point out.
Listen, if you continue like this, u are in no way better than the Muslims you are persecuting.

There is nothing like old and new law if you are speaking of the same God.

Even though I dont condone Muslim violence, you Christians have a way of psychologically pushing them to the wall. You cause nuisance all over the place in the name of spreading the gospel like ya all have the only right to the creator....

You actions and noises in the buses and streets are offensive to some people. Don't cry like a victim if you fall victim of your arrogance.

usermane:


Ma'am, but in the end you nailed them, hammered them, they turned to personal attack in their desperation to find fault in your beliefs. Sometimes telling the truth or criticizing others only enrages them, hardening their hearth. In several instances, i refused to step in to defend Islam because i acknowledge that your allegations are true to an "Islam" that is out there. By the way, you seem to be getting under the skin of Islam section agents. Do take a break.

Usermane once again I see ur point.

I won't be creating more topics for a few weeks unless I am provoked to do it. A lot of muslims are hopelessly ignorant and willing to follow any teaching as long as Mohammed is associated with it.

No matter the evidence presented they remain blind and deaf to the truth.


As much as I disagree with u on some aspects of Islam I would like to say Thanks for being open minded and having a conscience. Most of all, thanks for bringing these issues to your fellow Muslims.

U are an exceptional muslim.

Alexk2:


has any of that been able to convert a single muslim?...has she been able to convince any of them to a point of repentance?.
Hmmm...maybe that is never her goal.
Nobody can use quran for soul winning, only God and the bible have such power.
....it has even gotten to this point of praising her for because she always argue with quran....hmmm., not suprised @ all, such glory can only be for human.

What we post here are read worldwide, thousands of muslims inclusive.

Our mission statement: To expose the lies and violent natures of Islam.

Our vision: To see a world where mankind live in peace and brotherhood, and where the world is not balkanized into the house of war (land of infidels) and the house of peace, dar-e-salam (land of muslims).

true2god:
What we post here are read worldwide, thousands of muslims inclusive.

Our mission statement: To expose the lies and violent natures of Islam.

Our vision: To see a world where mankind live in peace and brotherhood, and where the world is not balkanized into the house of war (land of infidels) and the house of peace, dar-e-salam (land of muslims).

Even in their so called house of peace, the Shia and the sunni are constantly at each others throat and killing themselves at will.

PastorKun:


Even in their so called house of peace, the Shia and the sunni are constantly at each others throat and killing themselves at will.

I wonder which muslims are the true muslims.. the babaric sunnis of which BH and isis belong to
or the apocalyptic and vile shi'a of which hezbolla and the iran ayatollahs belong..

Empiree lagoshia 9jaforlife rilwanye001 which ones are the true muslims.

Ifeann:


I wonder which muslims are the true muslims.. the babaric sunnis of which BH and isis belong to
or the apocalyptic and vile shi'a of which hezbolla and the iran ayatollahs belong..

Empiree lagoshia 9jaforlife rilwanye001 which ones are the true muslims.

It's good to note that Lagoshia is a shia muslim. You can see he doesn't usually get on well with others here.

Just like Saudi and Iran

@ifeann: What is beautiful about a lie?

by Ifeann(f): 9:29pm On Feb 06

limamintruth:


And i consider evangelism to be in phases. There is the evangelism were you preach the gospel of Christ Jesus to the heathens; there's also the one in which you expose the plans & lies of the agent of darkness to people, so that everyone will beware & be informed about the conspiracies of the the devil in winning more lost souls to his side.

let us examine the bible and see if we have the 'gospel of christ Jesus in it. i dont see it, but gospels according to Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. or Jesus did change his name to John, Mark, Matthew or Luke? we need to be honest to ourselves if we are intending to speak the truth. lying from the jump start will not hold water. i know i am the heathen, here. but truth must be told you you people parading yourselves as followers of Christ. Now lets turn to the Quran; it says of Jesus exactly what Jesus says of himself, except it contradicts the bible where bible contradicts itself. Curses of God, His Angel and mankind be upon satan. definitely, Muslims do not follow the devil since we curse him. or do you guys curse what you follow?

There is another evangelism that solely involves philanthropy i.e where one spreads the message of christ through giving, sharing & kindness; thereby using only good deeds (not words) to win more souls to christ Jesus. cool

the most charitable individuals are muslims. we even spread salaam to people as a greeting. that is charitable. when you remove obstacle from the path, that is charitable and its an act of faith/belief.

Beautiful summation.

so where is the beauty or do you know what beautiful is at all?

Re: Letter To Ifeann by Ifeann(f): 5:57pm On Feb 07

usermane:


Ma'am, but in the end you nailed them, hammered them, they turned to personal attack in their desperation to find fault in your beliefs. Sometimes telling the truth or criticizing others only enrages them, hardening their hearth. In several instances, i refused to step in to defend Islam because i acknowledge that your allegations are true to an "Islam" that is out there. By the way, you seem to be getting under the skin of Islam section agents. Do take a break.



Usermane once again I see ur point.

I won't be creating more topics for a few weeks unless I am provoked to do it. A lot of muslims are hopelessly ignorant and willing to follow any teaching as long as Mohammed is associated with it.

No matter the evidence presented they remain blind and deaf to the truth.


As much as I disagree with u on some aspects of Islam I would like to say Thanks for being open minded and having a conscience. Most of all, thanks for bringing these issues to your fellow Muslims.

U are an exceptional muslim.

Usermane ain't muslim. he got you too. if he is a muslim, Jonathan Goodluck will be the next president of the United States. And that is even easier to achieve than Usermane beiing muslim. he plays the role of shaitan in every case. he instigates, pretending to be part of the 'Islamic in- crowd."

RoyPCain:
@ifeann: What is beautiful about a lie?

let us examine the bible and see if we have the 'gospel of christ Jesus in it. i dont see it, but gospels according to Mark, Matthew, Luke and John. or Jesus did change his name to John, Mark, Matthew or Luke? we need to be honest to ourselves if we are intending to speak the truth. lying from the jump start will not hold water. i know i am the heathen, here. but truth must be told you you people parading yourselves as followers of Christ. Now lets turn to the Quran; it says of Jesus exactly what Jesus says of himself, except it contradicts the bible where bible contradicts itself. Curses of God, His Angel and mankind be upon satan. definitely, Muslims do not follow the devil since we curse him. or do you guys curse what you follow?




the most charitable individuals are muslims. we even spread salaam to people as a greeting. that is charitable. when you remove obstacle from the path, that is charitable and its an act of faith/belief.




so where is the beauty or do you know what beautiful is at all?




Usermane ain't muslim. he got you too. if he is a muslim, Jonathan Goodluck will be the next president of the United States. And that is even easier to achieve than Usermane beiing muslim. he plays the role of shaitan in every case. he instigates, pretending to be part of the 'Islamic in- crowd."

Some corrections ......Luke mark Mathew John all preached the same gospel. .the gospel of Christ. .if they preached different things it would have conflicted with each other..

Please if u Muslims have another gospel of Christ bring it forth let's see... u muslim people practise the words of Mohammed in the quran and his deeds in the hadiths.


Another correction. .Muslims are charitable only to themselves..that's wat u guys do wit the zakat. .and jizyah u extort from christains. .

Finally.. please give me 3.. just 3 reasons why usermane is not a muslim..u can't ..u know that.. he is a brilliant fellow who makes far more sense than u orthodox violence loving Mohammed worshiping muslims. U can't produce any evidence why he isn't a muslim.

Peace.

thank u Ifeann and orremussanctus for exposing the evils in the quran,ur vast knowledge plus ur zeal to expose islam is helping in two ways:-
1.de- radicalization of fanatical muslims.
2.Strengthening the faith of believers in appreciating the virtues of Christ.
well done

Ifeann:


I wonder which muslims are the true muslims.. the babaric sunnis of which BH and isis belong to
or the apocalyptic and vile shi'a of which hezbolla and the iran ayatollahs belong..

Empiree lagoshia 9jaforlife rilwanye001 which ones are the true muslims.

Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, the ones that accept Allah as their God, Muhammad as their Messanger, and the Quran as their guidance. They live their lives according to instructions of the Quran and follow the Prophet's examples. Simple as that!

9jaforlife:


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, the ones that accept Allah as their God, Muhammad as their Messanger, and the Quran as their guidance. They live their lives according to instructions of the Quran and follow the Prophet's examples. Simple as that!

I ignored this thread b'cause this is another tactic employed by these folks. "Divide and conquer". It doesnt work when it comes to empire

Empiree:
I ignored this thread b'cause this is another tactic employed by this folks. "Divide and conquer". It doesnt work when it comes to empire

They want to justify the hatred they nurse against themselves! In Empiree's voice : Odeshi

9jaforlife:


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, the ones that accept Allah as their God, Muhammad as their Messanger, and the Quran as their guidance. They live their lives according to instructions of the Quran and follow the Prophet's examples. Simple as that!

There's a name for that; terrorism! You will be caught and decimated!

Empiree:
I ignored this thread b'cause this is another tactic employed by these folks. "Divide and conquer". It doesnt work when it comes to empire

Terrorist alert!!!

9jaforlife:


They want to justify the hatred they nurse against themselves! In Empiree's voice : Odeshi

Not the same sunnis have for shias though!

kay1one2:


There's a name for that; terrorism! You will be caught and decimated!

According to Kay1one2 the the king of hypocrites!!

9jaforlife:


According to Kay1one2 the the king of hypocrites!!

This small boy trying to identify this early morning. ..

kay1one2:


Not the same sunnis have for shias though!

The Sunnis and Shias form a very small percentage of Muslims. Unlike your own religion, where ALL different christian denominations harbour hatred amongst themselves!

Ifeann:


Let me know when Christians start killing unbelievers and with verses from the bible showing Jesus commands them to.

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)


Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

APOSTACY

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, don't forget that Jesus sanctioned all the above in this New Testament verse

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

9jaforlife:


The Sunnis and Shias form a very small percentage of Muslims. Unlike your own religion, where ALL different christian denominations harbour hatred amongst themselves!

Hatred... I've friends in virtually all, visited them in their services and we get along really fine.
For the lie about the shias and sunnis being a small percentage of the muslim population, may your day being filled with evil for waking up and telling a lie as early as now!
At least we don't throw bombs at each other!

9jaforlife:


Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)


Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)


Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)


Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1) If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

APOSTACY

"I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD. "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD. "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings." (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict, don't forget that Jesus sanctioned all the above in this New Testament verse

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished." (Matthew 5:17-18)

Im.becile. .. you didn't answer the question. You can post as many as you want but one rule remains that by their fruits you shall know them!
Since Jesus has paid the ultimate price we don't practice judaism but christianity which believes in the power of the cross to save.
So quote as many as you want it will just be dancing around judaism which was a Shadow of things to come I.e salvation today through the cross.
All those parts remain to give us an insight into how and why we got to and Had to get to this point in time when salvation is through faith in Christ and his Finished work on the cross!
The old Testament was in place and practiced before the coming of the messiah. Now after his death and resurrection, we have a brand new hope in worshiping God through faith in Christ.

kay1one2:


Im.becile. .. you didn't answer the question. You can post as many as you want but one rule remains that by their fruits you shall know them!
Since Jesus has paid the ultimate price we don't practice judaism but christianity which believes in the power of the cross to save.
So quote as many as you want it will just be dancing around judaism which was a Shadow of things to come I.e salvation today through the cross.
All those parts remain to give us an insight into how and why we got to and Had to get to this point in time when salvation is through faith in Christ and his Finished work on the cross!
The old Testament was in place and practiced before the coming of the messiah. Now after his death and resurrection, we have a brand new hope in worshiping God through faith in Christ.

R*etard. It's paining you that your lies are being exposed . Are you saying that Jesus lied when he said this??...

"Do not think that I [Jesus] have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)

kay1one2:


Hatred... I've friends in virtually all, visited them in their services and we get along really fine.
For the lie about the shias and sunnis being a small percentage of the muslim population, may your Kay1's day being filled with evil for waking up and telling a lie as early as now!
At least we don't throw bombs at each other!

You don't throw bombs at each other but you wish someone else would do it for you

Aren't you all just pretending for yourselves like you pretend for people of other faiths? Christians are great at pretending, full of smiles but evil at heart!

At least you agree that Christians abhor themselves You can't even worship in a church that isn't your group! Nonsense. Not surprised why you hate people of other religion

And Sunnis and Shiites do NOT form the majority of Muslims, they're small minority. Get that into your greasy head!

kay1one2:


This small boy trying to identify this early morning. ..

And can you describe what YOU are doing here You can't even resist my posts. Lol. Baby Kay1, say hi to mummy