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Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 11:40am On Mar 05, 2015 |
Cc Kizmarty 21 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” [ a ] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.This is talking about Jesus taking over from Adam who was created without sin but fell short of his glory. Jesus is the new Adam while Mary is the new Eve. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. Further bible verses that explains it.... Genesis 3:15 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring [ a ] and hers; he will crush [ b ] your head, and you will strike his heel.” Isaiah 7:14 14. "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign, Behold, the Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, shall call His name, Immanuel. Galatians 4:4 4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, Isaiah9:6 6: For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Couselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 11:58am On Mar 05, 2015 |
Questions are entertained... |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by taiocol: 12:07pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Mary The new Eve just make me understand |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 12:16pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Pr0ton: 12:27pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Answer the guy because most of what you post up there are either vague or childish exaggeration of some Biblical words at its highest peak; calling Mary the new Eve, for example. 1 Like |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 12:52pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Pr0ton:His question was kinda confusing. Okay: 1) Eve came from Adam... New Adam came from New Eve 2) Virgin(Eve) listens to Serpent. Virgin listens to the Angel. 3) Eve gives birth to sin and death. New Eve gives birth to grace and salvation. 4) Eve and Adam cause the fall of man. New Eve and New Adam cause the salvation. 5) Eve is the mother of all living. New Eve is the mother of who live in Christ. Luke1:43 "But why is this granted to me, that the Mother of my Lord should come to me?" 6. Enmity between Eve and Satan. Enmity between New Eve and Satan. Now, who is the New Eve? Be truthful. 3 Likes |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by taiocol: 1:20pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Am Still Finding it hard to ignore Shit |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Pr0ton: 1:24pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
FrancisTony: I was about refuting all the claims above, but I realized the OT and NT has no connection. The purpose of the former is different from the latter. OT has no intention of "saving the world from original sin through the death of any son of God" The Adam and Eve's story was only used to explain why human suffers. NT is kinda a propaganda 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 1:45pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Pr0ton:Provide a biblical verse to support your spurious claim. Gaddemmit! Psalm22 16. For dogs have surrounded Me; The congregation of the wicked has enclosed Me. They pierced My hands and My feet; 17. I can count all My bones. They look and stare at Me. 18. They divide My garments among them, And for My clothing they cast lots. 2 Likes |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Pr0ton: 1:48pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
FrancisTony: What do those verses have to do with saving the world from sins?? |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 1:57pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Sounds like heresy |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 1:59pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Pr0ton:Read Malachi 3:1 2 Likes |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Pr0ton: 2:07pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
FrancisTony: He's sending a Messenger. Who' the Messenger? Sending to who, Israel or the world? 1 Like |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by sonmvayina(m): 2:33pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Pr0ton: it is hard for some people to come to terms..that they have lived their whole lives believing a lie... 1 Like |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Pr0ton: 2:48pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
sonmvayina: Exactly. And there are still others (bigots) who don't reason with their brain to check their religion; they only accept everything their pastors vomit on the altar as true, and going contrary would be disatrous for them. They are in the prison of fear and ignorance - my signature. 1 Like |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by macof(m): 5:50pm On Mar 05, 2015 |
Bullshiit. Ile-Ife is the only holy city 1 Like |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 9:13am On Mar 06, 2015 |
macof: You've started |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 9:16am On Mar 06, 2015 |
I'm still finding it hard to put the strings together. I know of this teaching but its way apart from the new heaven and new earth theory. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by AllNaijaBlogger(m): 10:38am On Mar 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony: This looks like gibberish to me. No offence |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 10:43am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Kizmarty:Okay. What were you thought by "Jehovah witness"? AllNaijaBlogger:How? Counter it.... |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Ubenedictus(m): 11:19am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Kizmarty: there is more than one interpretation for that passage, many will say FT's interpretatiom is allegorical which may explain why u don't understand it. And yes the literal interpretation is that God thru Christ is brings a "new kingdom", a heaven join to earth, where God is all in all. But if u understand this rightly and draw the exact biblical parrallels u will see that the new heaven and earth will be manifest fully after the last judgement but that it was already inaugurated by Christ 2000 years ago when he became man and that mary represent the new jerusalem, the people of God. If you have an idea wat i am talkin about pls let me know so i can see if i can explain better. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 11:44am On Mar 06, 2015 |
Ubenedictus: I see where you're coming from. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 11:53am On Mar 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony: That a time will come possibly after the judgement day,God will bring back all the righteous dead souls and those alive worthy of his promise.He'll make them live in a new earth devoid of suffering and death while the earth will be governed by Jesus and his 1,200(not very sure) saints from heaven. Nb: there won't be an earthly government,this is where i have problem with them Take note: they didn't mention hell.they believe.those evil people not worthy of this promise won't be brought back.that's their punishment cus they feel God is too good to punish his creatures with everlasting burning as many others teach. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by macof(m): 6:12pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
Kizmarty: Started wat? Did I lie? Is Jerusalem holier than the City of 401 Gods? |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 6:22pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by RikoduoSennin(m): 7:14pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony: Please tell me what has JW got to do with this discussion? On a side note: The new Jerusalem has not and could not be MARY ( a human being) Read the rest part of that scriptures and compare it with passages that mention the Holy Jerusalem that comes from Heaven. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 7:28pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
RikoduoSennin:This person I quoted knows why; and that's the sole purpose for the birth of this thread. |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by firestar(f): 7:52pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony: What has the person you quoted got to do with this hm? Do you really need answers? Or is this another one of the infamous argumentative threads? |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by Nobody: 8:03pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
firestar:1) I don't understand your post and how it fits with my post you quoted. 2) This is not an argumentative thread and i'm not ready to learn anything. 3) *Sigh* |
Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by firestar(f): 8:31pm On Mar 06, 2015 |
FrancisTony: It's pretty straight forward. My question: Do you really need answers? Your answer: "I'm not ready to learn anything." 1 Like 1 Share |
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Re: Mary The New Jerusalem by twosquare(m): 8:40pm On Mar 13, 2015 |
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