Joavid:


You never cease to amaze me.
I still have a long way to go in this christian journey.
And I must say, the way you interpret the bible is not what we are used to.
Are there preachers/pastors with the same view as yours? So I can get their CD's


And One more thing, you said those filled with the holy spirit are on the fourth dimension seeing things in 4D. How does someone get to that point?


Please answer the 2 questions o.

[b]are there teachers with the same view as mine ? i am sure they are out there. i have seen some hebrew israelites with similar doctrine. not sure if they do CD but you can find some of them on youtube

how do you get to the fourth dimension vision ? by very strong diligence in bible study and then hope you are rewarded cuz as scripture says, take one step towards me and i will take two towards you. and when i say strong diligence i dont mean reading a chapter a day. there are 1100 plus chapters in the bible so you have to approach it with the intention of conquering the book. at my most diligent times i must have done about 20 chapters a day. and finally you have to change your ways. put off the old and usher in the new. you have to strife to be a celestial being and not a terrestrial being meaning things of this world you have to shun. you cant be occupied anymore with trying to oppress or chasing wealth. all those things will be added unto you when the time to harvest the saints come. till then you have to shun it and seek the face of Yah. shun all sins to the best of your ability.

and thats it in a nutshell[/b]

sukkot:
[b]are there teachers with the same view as mine ? i am sure they are out there. i have seen some hebrew israelites with similar doctrine. not sure if they do CD but you can find some of them on youtube

how do you get to the fourth dimension vision ? by very strong diligence in bible study and then hope you are rewarded cuz as scripture says, take one step towards me and i will take two towards you. and when i say strong diligence i dont mean reading a chapter a day. there are 1100 plus chapters in the bible so you have to approach it with the intention of conquering the book. at my most diligent times i must have done about 20 chapters a day. and finally you have to change your ways. put off the old and usher in the new. you have to strife to be a celestial being and not a terrestrial being meaning things of this world you have to shun. you cant be occupied anymore with trying to oppress or chasing wealth. all those things will be added unto you when the time to harvest the saints come. till then you have to shun it and seek the face of Yah. shun all sins to the best of your ability.

and thats it in a nutshell[/b]

Thanks

Joavid:


Thanks

the pleasure was all mine

sukkot:
well initially john taught him and then he went to egypt and when he returned from egypt and john had been corrupted ( beheaded ) by the roman empire, then he had to teach john all over again.

What the heck?! sukkot desist from that brand! #Ihaven'tsaidthisbefore...Tell me more, tag herodias' dance, the birthday, the platter, john in prison...#esotericinterpreter bring it on. I'M SO AMAZED AT YOU.

Joavid:


Thanks

[b] yeah its not easy to receive the holy spirit. the kingdom of God starts within you first and the kingdom of God is that 4 dimension vision. its like the story of the rich man who said how can i get into the kingdom of heaven and the Lord said you have to drop everything you are doing and carry your cross and follow me. not many are capable of doing that. thats how you get that 4D vision. dropping everything and following him is exactly what i described to you. you have to lose your life to gain it. you have to give up everything bad you do ( very hard for many to do ) and you have to read the scriptures like crazy ( very hard for many to do as they just like reading a verse or two a week ). point being it is a heavy cross to carry but when that kingdom of God opens up in you after you have towed the path, you will know it. its like having bionic vision. like you are super-human. your vibratory frequency will be at the peak and you know how they say humans can only access 10 percent of their minds and intelligence ? its true, but on 4D vision you will access almost all of your mind and intelligence. and the date will come when you will be called to put all that intelligence to good use when the kingdom is established. you will be able to heal people by touching them because your vibratory frequency is so high and by touching sick people you automatically increase their frequency when you pass current from your body into them. this transfer of frequency clears up all their diseases. this is how Jesus Christ healed people. cuz all diseases believe it or not are caused by low vibratory frequencies.[/b]

sukkot:
nah chief i aint MEILYN.

Alright

misreal:
what's with the face.why did Jesus ask his disciples to wait in Jerusalem after his ressurection

And the question is, when is the Holy Spirit given, at salvation or at baptism?

ATMC:
What the heck?! sukkot desist from that brand! #Ihaven'tsaidthisbefore...Tell me more, tag herodias' dance, the birthday, the platter, john in prison...#esotericinterpreter bring it on. I'M SO AMAZED AT YOU.

[b]yeah all that is just allegory and symbolism. basically what happened is that the saints ( Jesus Christ ) got awoken by john the baptist ( meaning they were spiritually asleep and then the forerunners who were woken up first who are called john the baptist had to teach jesus christ the esoteric knowledge of the bible to wake them up in what is known as john the baptist baptizing christ. ) . so this was the roman empire and when christ started waking up, they started preaching against all the wickedness of the roman empire, basically they were radicals or what some would call anti-conformists. so the roman empire saw them as a threat and tried everyway to neutralize them ( what is allegorically presented as called herod trying to kill all the boys 2 years old and younger ). eventually they end up neutralizing them and the saints all ran to egypt to hide out for a while. during this period the forerunners aka john the baptist were left behind and conquered by the roman empire and corrupted back into doing evil things of the world ( allegorically presented as john the baptist being beheaded ). so the forerunners eventually drifted back into roman wicked customs ( not unlike how the whole world is americanized today ) . roman empire eventually lost their power. jesus christ heard about it in egypt, returned to israel, saw john the baptist ( the forerunners ) all corrupted and doing whatever evil wicked ways they partook of in those days, and had to reconvert them and awaken them to the ways of Yah. and thats how it happened[/b]

dagr8:

And the question is, when is the Holy Spirit given, at salvation or at baptism?

when a person is born again.his spirit(the human spirit not the holyghost?) is reborn or regenerated.it is the holy ghost that causes a man to have a regenerated spirit.but at baptism,the holy ghost comes on(broods on)the regenerated spirit in other to empower it for service..please understand, the work of the holy ghost at salvation is different at the baptism of the holy ghost.

misreal:
when a person is born again.his spirit(the human spirit not the holyghost?) is reborn or regenerated.it is the holy ghost that causes a man to have a regenerated spirit.but at baptism,the holy ghost comes on(broods on)the regenerated spirit in other to empower it for service..please understand, the work of the holy ghost at salvation is different at the baptism of the holy ghost.

Please, help me get you right, when is the Holy Spirit given to abide in a believer? That is what I was trying to correct from your earlier post which I quoted.

dagr8:

Please, help me get you right, when is the Holy Spirit given to abide in a believer? That is what I was trying to correct from your earlier post which I quoted.

at salvation..

misreal:
at salvation..

Good, then we are saying the same thing. Your post below is what I was referring to

misreal:
the holy ghost was given to you when you got the baptism of the holy ghost with evidence of speaking in tongues.take note he came to help you live a holy life,he didn't come because you are holy.

sukkot:
[b] yeah its not easy to receive the holy spirit. the kingdom of God starts within you first and the kingdom of God is that 4 dimension vision. its like the story of the rich man who said how can i get into the kingdom of heaven and the Lord said you have to drop everything you are doing and carry your cross and follow me. not many are capable of doing that. thats how you get that 4D vision. dropping everything and following him is exactly what i described to you. you have to lose your life to gain it. you have to give up everything bad you do ( very hard for many to do ) and you have to read the scriptures like crazy ( very hard for many to do as they just like reading a verse or two a week ). point being it is a heavy cross to carry but when that kingdom of God opens up in you after you have towed the path, you will know it. its like having bionic vision. like you are super-human. your vibratory frequency will be at the peak and you know how they say humans can only access 10 percent of their minds and intelligence ? its true, but on 4D vision you will access almost all of your mind and intelligence. and the date will come when you will be called to put all that intelligence to good use when the kingdom is established. you will be able to heal people by touching them because your vibratory frequency is so high and by touching sick people you automatically increase their frequency when you pass current from your body into them. this transfer of frequency clears up all their diseases. this is how Jesus Christ healed people. cuz all diseases believe it or not are caused by low vibratory frequencies.[/b]

Wow!!!
I guess some part of that Lucy movie is true.
I thought it was pure fiction.

Thanks again sukkot.
And yes, most of the things you said are very hard to do.

God help me!

dagr8:

Good, then we are saying the same thing. Your post below is what I was referring to

k.I get it.DAT was a mistake.

sukkot:
[b]yeah all that is just allegory and symbolism. basically what happened is that the saints ( Jesus Christ ) got awoken by john the baptist ( meaning they were spiritually asleep and then the forerunners who were woken up first who are called john the baptist had to teach jesus christ the esoteric knowledge of the bible to wake them up in what is known as john the baptist baptizing christ. ) . so this was the roman empire and when christ started waking up, they started preaching against all the wickedness of the roman empire, basically they were radicals or what some would call anti-conformists. so the roman empire saw them as a threat and tried everyway to neutralize them ( what is allegorically presented as called herod trying to kill all the boys 2 years old and younger ). eventually they end up neutralizing them and the saints all ran to egypt to hide out for a while. during this period the forerunners aka john the baptist were left behind and conquered by the roman empire and corrupted back into doing evil things of the world ( allegorically presented as john the baptist being beheaded ). so the forerunners eventually drifted back into roman wicked customs ( not unlike how the whole world is americanized today ) . roman empire eventually lost their power. jesus christ heard about it in egypt, returned to israel, saw john the baptist ( the forerunners ) all corrupted and doing whatever evil wicked ways they partook of in those days, and had to reconvert them and awaken them to the ways of Yah. and thats how it happened[/b]

what is this one saying??

misreal:
what is this one saying??

Joavid:


What I meant by awkward is when you are in a prayer meeting with some people and all of a sudden some of them start speaking in tongues knowing very well there is no one to interpret which isn't right.

Paul states that he who speaks in an unknown tongue edifies himself , but only prophesy (preaching) edifies the Church (1 Corinthians 14:4)

Also, He states that if any man speaks in an unknown tongue, that it must be by two or three at the most, and each in turn,
one at a time (verse 27). In these Churches
today, a lot of people babble and speak in
tongues at the same time,and Paul says this
should not be.
Paul also says that there must be an interpreter (verse 27). But you never hear, in your own language, the interpretation
of these tongues in these Churches. That is a
direct contradiction of this scripture -Apostle Paul says.

if there is no interpreter, then the tongues
must not be spoken in church!
1 Corinthians 14:28, "...let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God." If a man feels moved to speak in tongues, and there's no interpreter, then he should speak to himself and to God.

And sir, I have started the Christian race, I was slow, thus am still a baby Christian but I will get there.

Always read bible with understanding, Sometimes we read to suit our ego and desire.
Paul was talking about when you are ministering to a congregation or when praying for a congregation.
Since you are ministering to man, it will be improper to speak in tongues in which they do not understand except there is one with the gift of interpretation of tongue
Sincerely, a lazy and irresponsible Christian critize speaking in tongue because he can't take his or her time to tarry and seek the face of The Lord for the filling of the Holy Spirit.
Holy Spirit don't just jump on someone, you tarry for Him.
You don't fake tongue, it will come by itself once the The Comforter Himself is in you. It flows out of you effortlessly and completely outside your understand.
The only real guardian to the true path to Heaven where Jesus our master and saviour is, is the Holy Spirit my closest ally.
He only inSpire us to pray in our understanding but we fellowship with Him in tongues that is outside our understanding because satan can only attack a prayer you prayed with understanding through the information in your words of prayers
But with tongues of the Spirit, it's no go area to satan.
Holy Spirit is neither a force nor an electromagnetic ( can u just imagine, hehehe!!!).
HE IS THE THIRD PERSON IN THE TRINITY SHARING SAME POWER AS THE ALMIGHTY. WHEREVER HE MOVES NO FORCES DARE STAND NOR ELECTROMAGNETICS DARE REVOLVES.
HE IS A CONSUMING FIRE, AT THE SAME TIME, A COMFORTER.
Dear friend, take time to tarry for Him, you will always love to fellowship with Him in tongues anywhere and anytime without be ashamed of people watching you.
HOLY SPIRIT MY CLOSEST FRIEND.

misreal:
at salvation..

Holy Spirit is not automatic at salvation.
After salvation is sanctification
Which after YOU TARRY for the Holy Spirit.
He resides in a sanctified vessels
But YOU MUST TARRY FOR HIM
HE WONT COME IN IF YOU DONT TARRY FOR HIM.
THE DISCIPLES TARRIED FOR HIM, BEFORE HE CAME IN.

tim26will:

Holy Spirit is not automatic at salvation.
After salvation is sanctification
Which after YOU TARRY for the Holy Spirit.
He resides in a sanctified vessels
But YOU MUST TARRY FOR HIM
HE WONT COME IN IF YOU DONT TARRY FOR HIM.
THE DISCIPLES TARRIED FOR HIM, BEFORE HE CAME IN.

the disciples tarried for his outpouring from heaven,the holy ghost did not return to heaven after that,he stayed on earth.you don't need to tarry anymore,all you need is to believe.

misreal:
what is this one saying??

i am saying what you aint saying

Joavid:

Wow!!!
I guess some part of that Lucy movie is true.
I thought it was pure fiction.

Thanks again sukkot.
And yes, most of the things you said are very hard to do.

God help me!

nah, inside movies a lot of truths are hidden. movies are sponsored and directed by the illuminated ones. they run hollywood. they put lots of celestial messages in the movies. God uses them to put messages in movies. God uses all medium to send messages. your welcome

sukkot:
i am saying what you aint saying

hehehehe..Mr sukkot u no dey sleep??

misreal:
hehehehe..Mr sukkot u no dey sleep??

my bros i just wake up ni sha. i think i got a good 7 hours. went to bed like 10 and just woke up 5 am. top of the morning to you my kind sir

sukkot:
my bros i just wake up ni sha. i think i got a good 7 hours. went to bed like 10 and just woke up 5 am. top of the morning to you my kind sir

good morning to you too sir.I didn't get a good sleep,cos I had to work on my seminar/project.

misreal:
good morning to you too sir.I didn't get a good sleep,cos I had to work on my seminar/project.

ahhh seminars and projects. sounds very interesting. are you in nigeria by any chance ?

sukkot:
ahhh seminars and projects. sounds very interesting. are you in nigeria by any chance ?

yes sir,as a matter of urgency am a full blooded Nigerian.lol.

misreal:
yes sir,as a matter of urgency am a full blooded Nigerian.lol.

thats cool bro. more grease to your elbows

misreal:
the disciples tarried for his outpouring from heaven,the holy ghost did not return to heaven after that,he stayed on earth.you don't need to tarry anymore,all you need is to believe.

Hehehe, so you don't need to tarry for Holy Spirit again? From which bible did you get that understanding from?
You can believe from now on till eternity, the same process the disciple followed is still same till today, He changeth not.
It can only be by tarry or laying of hands which is also refer to enduement.
Sir if you don't wait on God for the filling of the Holy Spirit or being laid hand on by a filled sanctified vessel for in filling of the Holy Spirit. You are just wallowing in shadow of Self induced spirit and not the Holy Spirit.
You can only believe you've received it when you follow the process and He comes on you with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Then your believe or most appropriate , your faith is needed.

The fear of God is the first evidence that you ve the Holy Spirit ( Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.) Your conscience judges you whenever you do wrong.

However, it shld nt b mistaken wit being born again. Remember, Apostle Peter was not born-again all the while he was with Christ until the day of Penticost. The upper room encounter. If you are a born-again, there must be an encounter you will always remember. Its not by proclaiming to be a born again.

Also note that all must not speak in tongues

elveco:
The fear of God is the first evidence that you ve the Holy Spirit ( Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent.) Your conscience judges you whenever you do wrong.

However, it shld nt b mistaken wit being born again. Remember, Apostle Peter was not born-again all the while he was with Christ until the day of Penticost. The upper room encounter. If you are a born-again, there must be an encounter you will always remember. Its not by proclaiming to be a born again.

Also note that all must not speak in tongues

Then how do the born again fellowship with the Holy Spirit sir. If all must not speak in tongue

tim26will:

Hehehe, so you don't need to tarry for Holy Spirit again? From which bible did you get that understanding from?
You can believe from now on till eternity, the same process the disciple followed is still same till today, He changeth not.
It can only be by tarry or laying of hands which is also refer to enduement.
Sir if you don't wait on God for the filling of the Holy Spirit or being laid hand on by a filled sanctified vessel for in filling of the Holy Spirit. You are just wallowing in shadow of Self induced spirit and not the Holy Spirit.
You can only believe you've received it when you follow the process and He comes on you with the evidence of speaking in tongues. Then your believe or most appropriate , your faith is needed.

hahahahaha...my guy tarrying??nope.laying of hands yes.what I mearnt by faith was laying of hands.

sukkot:
thats cool bro. more grease to your elbows

tnx my man.