JESUS NEVER DIED ON THE CROSS. HE WAS NEVER BURIED. AND HE NEVER ROSE FROM THE DEAD


Hi do you believe in the Holy Bible? Do you believe what Jesus himself said? Well Jesus has told us that he never died on the cross.

When the Pharisees asked Jesus to give them a sign this is what Jesus said to them." A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign. But no sign shall be given to you except the sign of Jonas. As Jonas was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale so the son of man (Jesus) shall be in the belly of the earth. Mathew 12:40

The question is DID JONAS DIE?

the answer is NO JONAS DID NO DIE IN THE STORY WE ARE TOLD IN THE BIBLE. JONAS WAS A SIGN TO THE NINEVITES. HE DID NOT DIE.

You ask me to prove it? OK

1) When Jonas was on the deck of the ship was he dead or alive? answer 1) Jonas was alive.

2) When Jonas was thrown out of the ship, was he dead or alive? answer 2) Jonas was alive.

3) When Jonas hit the water of the sea was he dead or alive? answer 3) Jonas was alive.

4) When Jonas was swallowed by the whale was he dead or alive? answer 4) Jonas was alive.

5) When Jonas was in the belly of the whale was he dead or alive? answer 5) Jonas was alive.

6) When Jonas was spat out by the whale was he dead or alive? answer 6) Jonas was alive.

At no time in the story(parable)(Sign) was Jonas dead. Never. Jonas did not die. Jesus in his usual mystery has told everyone." Just as it was with Jonas so shall it be with the Son of Man." Jonas spent three days and three nights in the belly of the whale. And all the time he was alive. Jesus also spent three days in the belly of the earth AND AT NO TIME WAS HE DEAD SO THERE WAS NEVER ANY RESURRECTION.

Friends JESUS was put on the cross .Yes. But he did not die. He was brought down alive.

The Romans devised crucifixion as a long, slow and painful death. To speed up the process of death the legs of those crucified were broken. Jesus' legs were not broken because the soldiers thought he was dead.

Wikipedia:

Other accounts

Since crucifixion was a common punishment for first century Jews thought to be traitors against Rome, it is not surprising that only a few secular historians record the event (and then without much commentary). For instance, Roman historian Tacitus, in his Annals (c. A.D. 116), mentions only in passing that "Christus, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, "

Additionally, first-century Jewish historian Josephus (in a disputed passage) records:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.
—Josephus , Antiquities of the Jews - XVIII, 3:8-10

Another possible Jewish reference to the crucifixion ("hanging" cf. Luk 23:39; Gal 3:13) is found in the Babylonian Talmud:

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, ‘He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Anyone who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.’ But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover!
—Soncino English Translation of the Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a

Although the question of the equivalence of the identities of Yeshu and Jesus has at times been debated, many historians agree that the above passage is likely to be about Jesus.

-Still say Jesus did not die on a cross?   

I did not say it. Jesus said it. Mathew 12:40. Who should I believe more? Jesus himself or people who do not understand what he is saying?

@ Alam Tara

JESUS NEVER DIED ON THE CROSS. HE WAS NEVER BURIED. AND HE NEVER ROSE FROM THE DEAD

1) Do u know what death is?
2) Do u know what happen when animals like dog, goat, donkey dies?
3) Do u really know what happen when Human beign dies?
4)When a human beign dies, what happen to the (1)body, (2) soul and the (3)spirit here on earth and afterlife?

we all believe in judgement day right? Then where are we going to get the New Body to use on that day since our old body had been buried here on earth?

Please Alam Tara kindly answer these questions

georgecso:

@ Alam Tara

1) Do u know what death is?
2) Do u know what happen when animals like dog, goat, donkey dies?
3) Do u really know what happen when Human beign dies?
4)When a human beign dies, what happen to the (1)body, (2) soul and the (3)spirit here on earth and afterlife?

we all believe in judgement day right? Then where are we going to get the New Body to use on that day since our old body had been buried here on earth?

Please Alam Tara kindly answer these questions

@georgesco
I am not a medical doctor nor a veterinary doctor. So I cannot answer those questions authoritatively. What I am saying is that if you believe in tithing, if you believe in Jesus and what he said then what do you understand by what Jesus said " No sign shall be given to you except the sign of Jonah"

Georgesco Did Jonah Die in the belly of the whale?

If he died in the belly of the whale then Jesus died. If Jonah did not die in the belly of the whale then Jesus did not die.
God Bless you as you see the light and follow the truth

@ Alam Tara

Please Bro kindly bear in mind that am not trying to ague here but l'm telling you facts/events that took place over 2000years ago and not 1430yrs ago ( Your Prophet witnessed and saw some of these facts because he was a trader). I have seen not just the seen the light but have witnessed the true light of God through Jesus Christ. Thank God you have heard about Christ and l have read in detail about prophet muhammad (pbuh) too . I am sure that there are several questions you may like to ask your mullah abt Islam but u may be afraid so as not be accused of blasphemy. Please kindly read this bro:


[size=13pt]His body really did die. The Roman soldiers made sure of that. They were experts at killing people.
Jesus Christ's physical body was 100-percent human, not just part human. Our bodies can die, and so could his. When we die, our physical body dies, but our soul and spirit remain. They are eternal; they never die. The same is true of Jesus Christ. His physical body died, but his inner self is eternal and did not die.

Is Jesus alive today?

Yes, he is. Thousands of people saw him alive again. The Bible is very clear; Jesus Christ's physical body is no longer dead. He is alive today. The Bible records 11 times when people saw him.

How can this be?

Jesus is more than a man. Although he is 100-percent human, he is also 100% God, the Creator of the universe. He is all-powerful. Although evil men killed his physical body, he easily had the power to restore life to his body again.
When his body came alive, he walked out of his tomb, completely healthy and strong.
As you can imagine, when this happened in the darkness, it really frightened the Roman soldiers who were guarding his tomb to keep people away. They were surprised and terrified! It was suddenly very obvious that Jesus was not merely a man. He is God, with power over life and death.

The people of Jerusalem certainly should have known this already. Jesus had proved it many times before. He raised many people from the dead. One was a young girl. Another was a man who had been dead and buried for days.
Here's something else that is wonderful. Did you know that the moment that Jesus Christ's physical body died, he brought many dead people to life in the city of Jerusalem? It's true! The people were alive and healthy again. Many people saw them in the streets and homes of that great city (Matthew 27:52-53), and were so glad to see them again. These were not ghosts (there are no such things). These were living, breathing people, seen by many. They had been dead, some perhaps for years, and now they were alive because of Jesus' great power![1]



What about your death or the death of someone you love?

Here is a fact that is even more amazing! Everyone who dies and is a true follower of Jesus Christ will experience this same, awesome, life-giving power. Jesus will give them their body back again—alive, heathy and strong—a glorious body. Won't that be wonderful! Millions and perhaps billions of people will be made alive again. Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, grandparents—every person that is a true follower of Jesus will be alive again—forever.
For all of us who are Christians, death is not permanent. When our loved ones in Christ die, we can know for certain that we will see them alive again.
You can be one of those people! If you haven't already done so. Admit that you are a sinner that has broken the Law and deserves punishment and is lost without him. Accept his free gift of salvation and life. Become a faithful follower of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Giver of Life.

Bro God is Mystery and our finite mind can never understand the exact nature of God. He is the Alpha & the omega, and God came to this earth and dwell amongst us. Remember the story of Mariam in the Quran , how God revealed , u know the rest bro[/size]

He (Jesus) died on the Cross.
B R B (details later)

@georgecso: « #5 on: Today at 03:19:28 PM »

@ Alam Tara

Please Bro kindly bear in mind that am not trying to ague here but l'm telling you facts/events that took place over 2000years ago and not 1430yrs ago ( Your Prophet witnessed and saw some of these facts because he was a trader).

And you thought that because the "prophet" (AS) was a trader, he was simply copying the Christian ideas? Why did he equevocally condemn/disagree with the very foundation of theChristian religion, which is Jesus dead on the cross and the rising to live on the third day?

Evidently, you have never been a trader, before. Muhammad (AS) would not have had time in his process of business dealling to get involved in the matters of Christianity. The Christians, if he had asked questions, because of the place that he had came from, they might have been annoyed with him. I just don't see any good sense in your proposition.

I have seen not just the seen the light but have witnessed the true light of God through Jesus Christ. Thank God you have heard about Christ and l have read in detail about prophet muhammad (pbuh) too . I am sure that there are several questions you may like to ask your mullah abt Islam but u may be afraid so as not be accused of blasphemy.

You must have thought that every muslim is a child. In Islam, questions are permissable. Mullahs, as you called them can be challenged. It is this challenging ability that allows a little boy who has knowledge to correct even an Imam if he makes mistakes in Qur'aanic recitation. It is in your Christian religion that no questions can be asked. And your response below proves exactly that. And your reading about the prophet proofs that you learnt about the truth, but decided to follow falsehood, instead. Now can you tell me that "more recent" finding is incorrect to an older idea, just because of time and not substance? If this is so, then Moses and his laws and rulings must be more important and accurate than Jesus! Think about that. I wonder why Ph. D is a more concentrated academic effort than a Masters?

Please kindly read this bro:


His body really did die. The Roman soldiers made sure of that. They were experts at killing people.

Today, with the most uptodate medical devices, many patients are wrongly diagonized. Some who are pronounced to be dead, do come back to life! Could this not have been the case, in that far away, 2000 years, since the Lord of Jesus did not want him to die by hanging? Why kill anybody by hanging? They want the Soul of the dead to be accursed! Was it appropriate for Jesus soul to be accursed, even though he was a prophet and messenger of his Lord to the Children of Israel?

Jesus Christ's physical body was 100-percent human, not just part human. Our bodies can die, and so could his. When we die, our physical body dies, but our soul and spirit remain. They are eternal; they never die. The same is true of Jesus Christ. His physical body died, but his inner self is eternal and did not die.

If this is the case, in what way is Jesus more than human?

Is Jesus alive today?

Yes, he is. Thousands of people saw him alive again. The Bible is very clear; Jesus Christ's physical body is no longer dead. He is alive today. The Bible records 11 times when people saw him.

To have proven that he woke up, it should have been essertained that he was truly dead in the first place. Your statement is at best 50% believeable. Hence it has 50% unbelieveability. I will proof to you that the unbelieveabilty overrides your opinion.

How can this be?

Jesus is more than a man. Although he is 100-percent human, he is also 100% God, the Creator of the universe. He is all-powerful.

There are many Bible verses that proof your statements, above wrong. His disciples said that he cried, wept, begged and prayed to a God Who can save him. He was reported to have prayed more than one time in the garden of Gestemaine to God, Whom he asked to save him. I see, and I hope you see that Jesus was not directing all this request and statement to himself.

Although evil men killed his physical body, he easily had the power to restore life to his body again.

Absolutely no proof.

When his body came alive, he walked out of his tomb, completely healthy and strong.

Thats not true. You can say that when he regained his strength from such terrible punishment, he walked out, still sore and felling the pain of all the punishments. But meant nothing about being dead and woke up from death!

As you can imagine, when this happened in the darkness, it really frightened the Roman soldiers who were guarding his tomb to keep people away. They were surprised and terrified! It was suddenly very obvious that Jesus was not merely a man. He is God, with power over life and death.

Many people who were in comas came out of it to the amazement of those who thought they were already dead. This even happened and will surely happens in the future. When these people were in coma, no one can feel any sign of live in them. But that does not mean that they are dead.

The people of Jerusalem certainly should have known this already. Jesus had proved it many times before. He raised many people from the dead. One was a young girl. Another was a man who had been dead and buried for days.

I think even Elisha's dead and rotten bones raised up a dead person, just by mere touch. Is Elisha also God, too?

Here's something else that is wonderful. Did you know that the moment that Jesus Christ's physical body died, he brought many dead people to life in the city of Jerusalem? It's true! The people were alive and healthy again. Many people saw them in the streets and homes of that great city (Matthew 27:52-53), and were so glad to see them again. These were not ghosts (there are no such things). These were living, breathing people, seen by many. They had been dead, some perhaps for years, and now they were alive because of Jesus' great power![1]

Some people came back to live? Why not all the people who had died in the city? You see how terrible it is to embellish? What special quality or qualities did those people who came to live had, versus all the people who remained dead in the city? We must be able to think about these possible differences, except that the idea was just a make belief to sell up the story. But not many will buy such gimmick!

What about your death or the death of someone you love?

Here is a fact that is even more amazing! Everyone who dies and is a true follower of Jesus Christ will experience this same, awesome, life-giving power.

Judas Iscariot loved Jesus more than mere acquinttances. Jesus should have raised him up, if he was able to raise himself up and others, except in the limited matter, which God had allowed him, so that his prophethood and messengership were buttressed by them/it!

Jesus will give them their body back again—alive, heathy and strong—a glorious body. Won't that be wonderful! Millions and perhaps billions of people will be made alive again. Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, grandparents—every person that is a true follower of Jesus will be alive again—forever.
For all of us who are Christians, death is not permanent. When our loved ones in Christ die, we can know for certain that we will see them alive again.

This is the case with everyone. If it is not, then I wonder how humans will be gathered together for the day of Judgement?

You can be one of those people! If you haven't already done so. Admit that you are a sinner that has broken the Law and deserves punishment and is lost without him. Accept his free gift of salvation and life. Become a faithful follower of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Giver of Life.

You are telling a believer in One Singly God to admit to three god concept? This is a terrible thing on your part. He has invited you to Success in Paradise, instead you are inviting him, corningly to destruction in Hellfire. Are these equal in deeds?

Bro Gos is Mystery and our finite mind can never understand the exact nature of God.

This is why you can not cheapen Him with your finite mind, whereby you call Him a man, made from the body of a woman, who was made from sexual relationship between her mother and her father. Who are in turn, going back to Adam made from dirt/soil!

He is the Alpha & the omega,

This alone destroys Jesus as God, because alpha and omega should never be able to be overcame by death at anytime!

and God came to this earth and dwell amongst us. Remember the story of Mariam in the Quran , how God revealed , u know the rest bro

In the story of Mariam, in the Qur'aan, please tell us in any place that you read and able to conclude that Allah/God says anything about Him coming on earth to dwell, as human and dying, etc! This I am waiting for you to bring out. You now have the floor to yourself to defend your concept with the Qur'aan and or the Bible.

@ Alam-Tara

Did prophet Mohammed ascend into heaven(to enjoy his share of the heavenly virgins) at the site of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (Al-Aqsa Mosque)? Deluded slave of Allah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8

I Believe Jesus Dies as part of my faith. This Link was provided to me by my Tutor in University when we were having a Discussion on religion

@ Vicade   @bindex   @ georgecso  @abiodun92 @ kola oloye 

Thank you for your learned observations. Thank you. May I remind you that you have not answered the question. Please give a simple yes or no answer.

Was the prophet Jonah dead when he was inside the belly of the whale for three days and three nights??

If he was dead inside the belly of the whale then Jesus  was also dead inside the belly of the earth for three days and three nights.

But if Jonah was not dead indide the belly of the whale then Jesus was not dead inside the belly of the earth.

Next question

When Jonah was swallowed by the whale was he dead or alive?

If he was dead then Jesus when he was brought down from the cross was also dead.

But if Jonah was alive when he was swallowed by the whale then Jesus was alive when he was brought down from the cross.

Think of it. Please do not stray from the topic. Discussions about Jesus being 100% God and 100% man can be looked into later. Whether Muhammad(S.A.W) ascended into heaven is not the issue here.

Please house answer the question. WAS JONAH DEAD WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?

georgecso:

@ Alam Tara

Please Bro kindly bear in mind that am not trying to ague  here but l'm telling you facts/events that took place over 2000years ago and not 1430yrs ago ( Your Prophet witnessed and saw some of these facts because he was a trader). I have seen not just the seen the light but have witnessed the true light of God through Jesus Christ. Thank God you have heard about Christ and l have read in detail about prophet muhammad (pbuh) too . I am sure that there are several questions you may like to ask your mullah abt Islam but u may be afraid so as  not be accused of blasphemy.  Please kindly read this bro:


[size=13pt]His body really did die. The Roman soldiers made sure of that. They were experts at killing people.
Jesus Christ's physical body was 100-percent human, not just part human. Our bodies can die, and so could his. When we die, our physical body dies, but our soul and spirit remain. They are eternal; they never die. The same is true of Jesus Christ. His physical body died, but his inner self is eternal and did not die.

Is Jesus alive today?

Yes, he is. Thousands of people saw him alive again. The Bible is very clear; Jesus Christ's physical body is no longer dead. He is alive today. The Bible records 11 times when people saw him.

How can this be?

Jesus is more than a man. Although he is 100-percent human, he is also 100% God, the Creator of the universe. He is all-powerful. Although evil men killed his physical body, he easily had the power to restore life to his body again.
When his body came alive, he walked out of his tomb, completely healthy and strong.
As you can imagine, when this happened in the darkness, it really frightened the Roman soldiers who were guarding his tomb to keep people away. They were surprised and terrified! It was suddenly very obvious that Jesus was not merely a man. He is God, with power over life and death.

The people of Jerusalem certainly should have known this already. Jesus had proved it many times before. He raised many people from the dead. One was a young girl. Another was a man who had been dead and buried for days.
Here's something else that is wonderful. Did you know that the moment that Jesus Christ's physical body died, he brought many dead people to life in the city of Jerusalem? It's true! The people were alive and healthy again. Many people saw them in the streets and homes of that great city (Matthew 27:52-53), and were so glad to see them again. These were not ghosts (there are no such things). These were living, breathing people, seen by many. They had been dead, some perhaps for years, and now they were alive because of Jesus' great power![1]



What about your death or the death of someone you love?

Here is a fact that is even more amazing! Everyone who dies and is a true follower of Jesus Christ will experience this same, awesome, life-giving power. Jesus will give them their body back again—alive, heathy and strong—a glorious body. Won't that be wonderful! Millions and perhaps billions of people will be made alive again. Mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, grandparents—every person that is a true follower of Jesus will be alive again—forever.
For all of us who are Christians, death is not permanent. When our loved ones in Christ die, we can know for certain that we will see them alive again.
You can be one of those people! If you haven't already done so. Admit that you are a sinner that has broken the Law and deserves punishment and is lost without him. Accept his free gift of salvation and life. Become a faithful follower of Jesus Christ, the Lord and Giver of Life.

Bro God is Mystery and our finite mind can never understand the exact nature of God. He is the Alpha & the omega, and God came to this earth and dwell amongst us. Remember the story of Mariam in the Quran ,  how God revealed ,  u know the rest bro[/size]

May God bless you in the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen.

Why do moslems love telling us what is inside our bible? poster please don't confuse yourself the Jesus(Isa) that was talked about in the koran is not the same Jesus that we worship.

@Bindex: « #8 on: Today at 09:16:41 PM »  

@ Alam-Tara

Did prophet Mohammed ascend into heaven(to enjoy his share of the heavenly virgins) at the site of the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem (Al-Aqsa Mosque)? Deluded slave of Allah.

The Virgins: not yet. Isa bin Mariam and Asiah, the wife of Fir'awn are going to be part of the wives of the Messenger and Prophet (AS). Mariam never had a husband. Asiah, as a believer needs a believer. Muhammad (AS) is the best of men. He should get the best of women, who are not related to him.


@dalaman: Our Isa bin Mariam, binta Imran, ukti Harun (AS), did not die. Rather, he was protected from dying by crucifixion. But your Jesus which you worship, was a man born, along with the mess of after birth,, , and died afterward. Is a one that succumbed to death worthy of being worship?

You sir, (Bindex), gets nothing. No reprieve in hell. You better come back home, man.

olabowale:

@Bindex: « #8 on: Today at 09:16:41 PM »
The Virgins: not yet. Isa bin Mariam and Asiah, the wife of Fir'awn are going to be part of the wives of the Messenger and Prophet (AS). Mariam never had a husband. Asiah, as a believer needs a believer. Muhammad (AS) is the best of men. He should get the best of women, who are not related to him.


@dalaman: Our Isa bin Mariam, binta Imran, ukti Harun (AS), did not die. Rather, he was protected from dying by crucifixion. But your Jesus which you worship, was a man born, along with the mess of after birth,, , and died afterward. Is a one that succumbed to death worthy of being worship?

You sir, (Bindex), gets nothing. No reprieve in hell. You better come back home, man.

Olabowale are you sure you are OK? Isa bin Mariam and Asiah, the wife of Fir'awn are going to be part of the wives of the Messenger and Prophet ? Is Mohammed gay? . Mohammed is the best of men? .

You sir, (Bindex), gets nothing. No reprieve in hell. You better come back home, man

I said that I will use my urine to quench the fire that burns in Allah's hell. I am way too big for your imaginary Allah. I practiced Islam before and there is nothing to gain inside apart from the unnecessary fear of an imaginary deity that is completely impotent.

@bindex @ dalaman @Ndipe

Hello house I it is like we are all enjoying the discussion so much that we have forgotten what brought us here. Hey, WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION?

Christians please help me. Answer the question. If no one can answer the question it means that "In Truth Jesus did not Die on the Cross" and that means they have been lieing to the world for over 2000 years.

Here is the question once again, WAS JONAH DEAD WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?

@ Bindex Yes yes the fire in hell will be quenched with your piss. I agree. Just answer the question. Yes Dalman and Ndipe I accept all that you have to say. Please answer the question. WAS JONAH DEAD WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?

Alam-Tara:

@ Bindex Yes yes the fire in hell will be quenched with your piss. I agree. Just answer the question. Yes Dalman and Ndipe I accept all that you have to say. Please answer the question. WAS JONAH DEAD WHEN HE WAS INSIDE THE BELLY OF THE WHALE?

What is this? Are you asking me to tell you what happened to Jonah when he was inside the belly of a fish? Such myths only exist in the pages of the bible, koran and other religious text. Hug your Koran and go play with the killer Whale lets see if you will survive for 3 days inside its belly.

Alam-Tara:

@bindex @ dalaman @Ndipe

Hello house I it is like we are all enjoying the discussion so much that we have forgotten what brought us here. Hey, WHO CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION?

Christians please help me. Answer the question. If no one can answer the question it means that "In Truth Jesus did not Die on the Cross" and that means they have been lieing to the world for over 2000 years.

Hasn't Islam been shamelessly lying to the world for the last 1600 years? See this deluded slave of a killer God calling the kettle black when his own beliefs are more nonsensical.

@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

Salam Bros l know both of you are the Ahmad Deedat of Naija . I want both of you to honestly interpret the following verses for me and other nairalanders:

1) Sura 2: 53 " And when We gave Moses the Book and the Discrimination that you might walk aright"

2) Sura 2: 62 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Days and does good, they have their reward with thier Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"

3) Sura 10:94 "If you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee (Alam-Tara & Olabowale), then ask those who have been reading the Book (Holy Bible) e.g Georgecso, Bindex, Ndipe etc before thee (Alam -Tara & Olabowale): The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: So be in no wise of those in doubts"


Please answer the following questions:

1) Explain what the word " We" please to the best of your knowledge because l know it has limit.
2) Explain why Prophet Muhammad wrote the Word "Christians" in that verse

I have more verses if both of you can honestly answer those questions above.

[size=13pt]@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

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YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

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YUSUFALI: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered

Many Muslims are self-opinionated and insincere in their attitude towards anything outside their religion. They are willing to study books that point out alleged contradictions or errors in the Bible but they shut their minds and eyes from books and explanations from Christians that give answers and clarifications to their confusions contrary to the teaching of Quran.

On most occasions, their problem lies in their unwillingness to know the truth. At times they twist Bible verses that they don’t understand to suit their beliefs but they ignore the clear passages that contradict their belief and call them corrupted verses.

Was the prophet Jonah dead when he was inside the belly of the whale for three days and three nights??

If he was dead inside the belly of the whale then Jesus  was also dead inside the belly of the earth for three days and three nights.

But if Jonah was not dead indide the belly of the whale then Jesus was not dead inside the belly of the earth.

Next question

When Jonah was swallowed by the whale was he dead or alive?

If he was dead then Jesus when he was brought down from the cross was also dead.

But if Jonah was alive when he was swallowed by the whale then Jesus was alive when he was brought down from the cross

To answer your question firstly,  Bro do you know what a  met·a·phor  is ?


1.  implicit comparison: the use to describe somebody or something of a word or phrase that is not meant literally but by means of a vivid comparison expresses something about him, her, or it, e.g. saying that somebody is a snake
2.  figurative language: all language that involves figures of speech or symbolism and does not literally represent real things
3.  symbol: one thing used or considered to represent another

NB: You will never ever understand the Holy Bible if u have a bias mind towards it. Your Knowledge & understanding has a limit. [/size]

Ok.

[size=20pt]@ Alan-Tara & Olabowale (The Deedats of Naija) 

Salam Bros where art thou? Kindly respond to the questions l posted above please. Hope u guys are doing fine? [/size]

@Bindex: « #17 on: Yesterday at 02:52:14 AM »

Hasn't Islam been shamelessly lying to the world for the last 1600 years? See this deluded slave of a killer God calling the kettle black when his own beliefs are more nonsensical.

Ol boy, my man Bindex, you can't count at all. 1600 years will take Islam of Muhammad(AS) earlier than when it started by 200 years! I think you need to begin to reflect at your follies, because you put your foot in your mouth, too often.


@georgecso; « #18 on: Yesterday at 11:29:33 AM »

@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

Salam Bros l know both of you are the Ahmad Deedat of Naija . I want both of you to honestly interpret the following verses for me and other nairalanders:

wa alaykum. May Allah make Ahmad Deedat (ra), a people of the highest level of Paradise. Amin.

1) Sura 2: 53 " And when We gave Moses the Book and the Discrimination that you might walk aright"

The Book given to Moses was pure in the hands and time of Moses (AS). It was uncorrupted because Moses was there to safeguard its veracity, purity. Thats one of the purposes of a Messenger/Prophet. The book's name is Taurah. And in it, you have discrimination paths as to good, which pious and obedient people should follow. Then there is the path of evils, which a true believer in the Power of God should avoid, because it will lead to ruin. If a person walked right by following Moses, at that time, definitely, the instruction of "passover" would avert the "calamity" of the grief that those who followed tyranical King Pharaoh suffered! This person should have walked right, the Book, the Uncorrupted Taurah made the "might walked aright" possible.

2) Sura 2: 62 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Days and does good, they have their reward with thier Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"

Jews who believe by being muslim, are still Jews (children of Israel), ethnically. The Christians who abandoned Christianity as a religion for Islam, can still call themselves Christians because the believe in Christ, just like every person in their new religion, Islam. I have heard many muslims say that they are more Christian than those who "claim to be Christian; church goers and bible readers, because they are follow Paul." And the Sabians who left their religion for Islam, they are now Muslim. Inshort these people, because the two are referred to as "people of the books" and the sabians are not, so they are representative of the others; Hindus, Buhddists, etc.

All these people, the once upon a time, non mustims, but are now muslims, now belief in Allah (no more disbelievers because Allah is the Only God and Lord without any partners, and, since they now take the prophet (AS) as the last messenger/prophet, salah, zakah, Fast and Hajj), last day (with clarity that after death, there is still a recreation/resurrection and its purpose was for a judgement, on that day which is no doubt people will be Judged), and now that they are muslims are doing good, with a singular purpose; for the sake of Allah, who will reward them.

All of these new belief and actions and deeds will make their hearts be certain that they would not fear, as in regrets of "if only I had known," nor should they grieve, because of any punishment that the evil doers in their disbeliefs are suffering in Hell. These people who are believers, after their initial disbeliefs as Jews, Christians, Sabians will be rewarded with Paradise because they before death turned away from the evil of their earlier lives to the goodness of Islam before death, and it is on it that they died.

3) Sura 10:94 "If you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee (Alam-Tara & Olabowale), then ask those who have been reading the Book (Holy Bible) e.g Georgecso, Bindex, Ndipe etc before thee (Alam -Tara & Olabowale): The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: So be in no wise of those in doubts"

This verse is in itself endict you, since Muhammad (as) a human being has the attitude of human, was told to confront the disbelievers, who are really hypocritical at best and ignorance anyway, with the truth of Qur'aan, and he will see what they will do. A good illustration of this is the verse in the Qur'aan and also in the Taurah about the punishment of adultery. The Jews took it that Muhammad (AS) who was unlettered can be fooled, so whatever he says, as they intended to deceive him, from unset will therefore be adopted as "new" but hoping to be a weaker "law."

So the prophet was brought a Taurah. He told them to read the portion about stoning to death, as the Mosaic Law calls for. Their reader read the part, with his hand covering the portion that actually mentioned the stoning. Except that Allah placed a man in the gathering who could read, as the prophet instructed that the initial reader removed his hand from what he had covered. The total reading and instruction was not hidden and understood by all.

Now let us read and explain the verse as you had put it forward: Allah strengthened Muhammad (AS) by telling him not to entertain any doubt about his new "revelations", since the Jews and Christians (thats what they like to be called today), had in their mists Messengers and prophets who used to receive revelations, they are very familiar with "receipt" of revealed Books; Taurah, Sabur and Injil. So go to them as a way to confront them with what is coming to you. If they are sincere and honest (like the sincerity and honesty of the King of Ethiopia when Surah Mariam was read to him; he weft knowing that it was the truth, he left Christianity, immediately since he knew that God should not be a helpless child, or child of no woman, virgin or not, etc), they will realise that you are without any doubt a Messenger and Prophet right there in their mist.

They will, those among them, who are lovers of truth, and wish to obey Allah their Lord and Cherisher, follow you in the religion of Islam. But we see that many, from generations, including you and others have dubiously refused to follow guidance, the tru revelation, instead clinging to the corrupted and should be abandoned earlier revelation. What is essential in them is right there in the Qur'aan, which is the greatest of truth. So, oh Muhammad (AS), the truth is from your Lord, Only (this alone kills all that Paul and co postulated in the Bible), and you have it. So doubt not or waiver not, even under pressure from all the enemies of this truth. Your Lord Allah will keep you strong in firmness of inner and outer wisdom.

Please answer the following questions:

1) Explain what the word " We" please to the best of your knowledge because l know it has limit.

The yoruba song comes to mind; Awa lagba. The awa there means we, yet a King or royalty or a person of means uses it to honor himself. It is called Majestic pronoun. I use it sometimes for my wife, when I want to excite her; Awa loko e. Se wa gboro siwa lenu. Baba e lawa for somebody a little excitingly younger.

2) Explain why Prophet Muhammad wrote the Word "Christians" in that verse

I have more verses if both of you can honestly answer those questions above.

Muhammad (AS) could not read or write. He didn't write it, but dictated it to the scribes to write down. However he memorized it before hand, and everyone, in his community memorized it and was in use. It is actually nasara, which means Christian. Muhammad did not speak English, because the English man was not in his community.

As to the Christians, the same issue is it, with the Jews; they were people of the books, because they had received revelations before the Qur'aan.

@Georgecso: « #19 on: Yesterday at 12:15:53 PM »

@ Alam-Tara and Olabowale

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YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

Do you believe in Allah as your Lord God the Creator? If you do, you are muslim, and no more a Christian, Jew or sabian. This alone destroys the 3 persons god concept of christianity. It forces the jews to accept Jesus and Muhammad as Messengers and Prophets after Moses (AS). And it forces the Sabian to abandone their ealier belief, whatever it is in idolatry. Until you take Allah alone as your All in all, you are a darn disbeliever.

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YUSUFALI: Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses and Jesus received, and that which the prophets received from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered

See the above shows that you can not surrender to Jesus or holy spirit/ghost or father, but Allah alone. And that all prophets, Messengers are from Allah. When you take the latest as your Messenger and Prophet whose message you should follow, you have actually in reality accept all who came before him. Are you with Muhammad since you are living under his messengership? Those who were covered under Jesus' messengership were dead and gone before the prophethood of Muhammad hit them or their people and culture.

Many Muslims are self-opinionated and insincere in their attitude towards anything outside their religion.

Aren't you guity of the same offense?

They are willing to study books that point out alleged contradictions or errors in the Bible but they shut their minds and eyes from books and explanations from Christians that give answers and clarifications to their confusions contrary to the teaching of Quran.

Qur'aan says that you already have a corrupt and unpure Book. Is this not enough? Oka. Now tell me how do you explain it when Allah says that Jesus was not more than a mere human prophet. And don't you make your observation from the fact that Jesus and his mother Mary before and in need of all human activities, even they ask God for their "daily foods" in order to sustain themselves.

So in support of this I observed that after Jesus finished his fasting period, he became very hungry to the point that he angrily cursed a Fig tree that was not fruiting because it was not yet the season for it to fruit. Now, if Jesus was not wrongly angry that the tree did not have fruits for him to eat, then I wonder why curse such an innocent tree? Then the best miracle that could have been perforemed was to have immediately made the tree abundantly fruit ladened. Or just get food from heaven, right there and then. But what kind of a god that eats the same food like human? Should God be a food eater? What for? Should God be hungry, when he is the Actual provider of foods to His Creations?

On most occasions, their problem lies in their unwillingness to know the truth. At times they twist Bible verses that they don’t understand to suit their beliefs but they ignore the clear passages that contradict their belief and call them corrupted verses.

So explain to me what did Jesus mean by the inclusive statement: Your Lord and my God is but One Lord (Mark 12 verse 29). What did Jesus mean by :My God, my God, why has thou forsaken me?

To answer your question firstly, Bro do you know what a met·a·phor is ?


1. implicit comparison: the use to describe somebody or something of a word or phrase that is not meant literally but by means of a vivid comparison expresses something about him, her, or it, e.g. saying that somebody is a snake
2. figurative language: all language that involves figures of speech or symbolism and does not literally represent real things
3. symbol: one thing used or considered to represent another

greorgcso, if I take the above into considerations, then nothing is left in the Bible for even you to say the 3 can not be applied to. You have simply told us that you do not have but a bunch of suggestive ideas, only.

NB: You will never ever understand the Holy Bible if u have a bias mind towards it. Your Knowledge & understanding has a limit.

The same exact thing applies to your viewpoint of the Qur'aan, too.

@ Olabowale

The Book given to Moses was pure in the hands and time of Moses (AS). It was uncorrupted because Moses was there to safeguard its veracity, purity. Thats one of the purposes of a Messenger/Prophet

Its simple bros bring out the uncorrupted Book or Bible out as  you claimed. There should be a copy with the Ahmaed Deedat or any of the arab state

Olabowale!!!

Please tell us what the word "We " stands for or meant in the verses l quoted above please. Besides is Prophet Muhammaed (SAW) a yoruba Man?  . Open your eyes and think well  before you make any point.

you are confusing me!!!

threads like this never get locked . . . what a surprise.

Was the prophet Jonah dead when he was inside the belly of the whale for three days and three nights??

If he was dead inside the belly of the whale then Jesus was also dead inside the belly of the earth for three days and three nights.

But if Jonah was not dead indide the belly of the whale then Jesus was not dead inside the belly of the earth.

Next question

When Jonah was swallowed by the whale was he dead or alive?

If he was dead then Jesus when he was brought down from the cross was also dead.

But if Jonah was alive when he was swallowed by the whale then Jesus was alive when he was brought down from the cross

The answer to the questions:

Yes, Jonah was dead inside the belly of the whale/fish.
He died before he was swallowed.

Jon 2:1-10
(1) Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
(2) And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
(3) For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
(4) Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
(5) The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
(6) I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
(7) When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
( They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
(9) But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
(10) And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.


Note the bold portions.

- "Out of the belly of hell cried I"
Hell represents the place of the dead. It is refered to as hades,sheol or grave in different translations. Obviously, it is only the dead that can be in the place of the dead.

-"The waters compassed me about, even to the soul"
This is an expression of death.

-"When my soul fainted within me"
Another expression of death.

Verse 7 of the verses above shows that,jst before Jonah slipped away into death, he prayed to God

Jonah sank to the bottom of the sea as he died and his soul departed to the place of the dead;while the fish then came up and swallowed his body;preserving it in the process for three days.

@Georgecso: « #24 on: Yesterday at 05:15:17 PM »  

@ Olabowale
Its simple bros bring out the uncorrupted Book or Bible out as  you claimed. There should be a copy with the Ahmaed Deedat or any of the arab state

I use my marble man. But I am happy to be affiliated with the late Sheikhu al Islam; Ahmad Deedat (ra).

My man, you should show us an "uncorrupted" Bible that is acceptable to all Christian denominations. What I will do is that I will eliminate each "Bible" that you bring forward, until you dont have any to put forward.

The answer therefore will simple proof my point; you aint get an "uncorrupted Bible!"

Olabowale!!!

Please tell us what the word "We " stands for or meant in the verses l quoted above please. Besides is Prophet Muhammaed (SAW) a yoruba Man?  . Open your eyes and think well  before you make any point.

We, in Qur'aan means Allah, alone. You know that He has no partner, right? Also, when you read some of the places, where the Majestic pronouns are used, it continues with "singular pronoun or Allah's name directly. In the rest of the places, it continues to the adjacent verse or verses, where you will get the complete story that Allah speaks about Himself in a befitting pattern as above!

But the Prophet was not the speaker or user of the majestic pronouns. However let me address your question; The prphet was not a Yoruba man. However, yorubas are not the only people who dignify themselves, based on their status in the the society. Every culture of people have the same common human humanity snd dignity.

By the way, the yorubas story runs through Arabia. That should tell you something.



@ttalks:

The answer to the questions:

Yes, Jonah was dead inside the belly of the whale/fish.
He died before he was swallowed.

Proof(s)?

Jon 2:1-10
(1) Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,
(2) And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.
(3) For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.
(4) Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.
(5) The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.
(6) I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.
(7) When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.
( They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.
(9) But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.
(10) And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.

Dead man praying, etc? No wonder you thought that Jesus died, too!
Interestingly, Salvation is of the Lord, not of Jesus! Read where God or Lord was mentioned. You will not find Jesus in there.

Note the bold portions.

- "Out of the belly of hell cried I"
Hell represents the place of the dead. It is refered to as hades,sheol or grave in different translations. Obviously, it is only the dead that can be in the place of the dead.

Since Jonah came back 3 full days later, alive and well, then Jonah has exactly or even a greater power as even than Jesus. This simply destroys the unique ressurrection quality thye Christians have been raving about.

-"The waters compassed me about, even to the soul"
This is an expression of death.

Why then don't you call Jonah like Jesus, god then? Or matbe now you will call Jesus like Jonah ordinary human and a prophet!

@ Olabowale

I use my marble man. But I am happy to be affiliated with the late Sheikhu al Islam; Ahmad Deedat (ra).

He was a prominent man (Ahmad Deedat) but unfortunately you know how he ended bro. Not good man but lets allow the dead to rest

1) Sura 2: 53 " And when We gave Moses the Book and the Discrimination that you might walk aright"

2) Sura 2: 62 "Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Days and does good, they have their reward with thier Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve"

3) Sura 10:94 "If you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee (Alam-Tara & Olabowale), then ask those who have been reading the Book (Holy Bible) e.g Georgecso, Ndipe etc before thee (Alam -Tara & Olabowale): The truth hath indeed come to thee from thy Lord: So be in no wise of those in doubts"


Bros in clear terms not in Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo please kindly explain what those words in bold meant?
1) I want to know who is making the statements there?
2) Could you find another word or substitute for that word "We" to get a clearer picture please Deedat Oladowale ? E.g O ye Muslims could be O you muslim, thee = you etc

[size=14pt]"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

War is ordained by Allah, and all Muslims must be willing to fight, whether they like it or not. 2:216

If you die fighting for Allah, you'll be rewarded in heaven. 3:157

Those who die fighting for Allah will go to heaven. 3:195

Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars. 4:74

Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them. 4:89

If the unbelievers do not offer you peace, kill them wherever you find them. Against such you are given clear warrant. 4:91

God will guide disbelievers down a road that leads to everlasting hell. 4:168-169

Allah makes some people sin. He will not cleanse their hearts. They will have ignominy in this world, and in the Hereafter an awful doom. 5:41

Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, and tooth for tooth. 5:45

Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

Muslims that make friends with disbelievers will face a doom prepared for them by Allah. 5:80

Allah chooses to lead some astray, and he lays ignominy on those who disbelieve. 6:125

Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167

Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who did the killing. 8:17

Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. 8:59-60

Believers must fight for Allah. They must kill and be killed , and are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it. 9:111[/size]

When non-Muslims, non-Christians debate the Existence of Jesus/God, I am inclined to listen. Otherwise, its just sentimental BS.