| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by hackney(m): 6:05pm On Feb 08, 2009 |
What a waste of thread. Lets move on from being suckered into even giving deceit a second look.
That way nigeria will have a bloody chance. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Nobody: 6:09pm On Feb 08, 2009 |
hackney
I actually think it's best people air their opinions on the 'greatest armed robbery' that ever took place in the history of our nation. We owe it to posterity to fully understand the events of the whole saga and also ensure that such atrocious abuse of power does not repeat itself in our history. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by lucabrasi(m): 12:56pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
Kobojunkie:
@Lucabrasi, well, now I know how you think and function when it comes to issues such as these. If those words of yours make sense to you, then that is fine.
That only some weeks ago Col Abubakr was an honest man according to you, and today he is a liar, tells me more than I need to know. So, again, if that explanation is what you want to run with now, I say good for you.
trust me,you do not have the foggiest idea of my though process so quit the delusion pls,as usual everything is either your way or no way at all.you though you were being pretty smart and catching me out in a contradiction,and throwing a sulk because i explained myself lol dont worry i dont profess to know how you think and function but, make the effort to understand comments before jumping in with retorts, its the least you can do after wasting a couple of seconds even bothering to read 'em @mimoh_mi totally agree with you,and i also believe shonekan was used to deflect the anger and agitations going on then,at that point there was no chance of abiola ever coming into power,if i was to blame anyone for the whole thing,i think ill blame abiola's advicers,if he had agreed to the conditional release and taken it philosohically as one of life's raw deals,he would have suceeded in strenghtening himself both financially and politically in preparation for the next round,as for the financier of the coup,that is right as well, they are the real culprits if you ask me,they lured the millitary from the barracks to take over and even financed them in these coups thereby turning them into monsters that later turned around to devour them, if one climbs on the back of a wild beast,there s a good chance that you will end up in its belly |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Depilot(m): 2:27pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
so quit the delusion pls,as usual everything is either your way or no way at all I've noticed this too, I thought I was alone. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by 2Legit: 2:57pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
Badamosi still dey alive?  I must finish dat man  |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Mamajama(m): 3:37pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
@ MR BIGB1 you are such a fool and a lunatic every time you open your basket mouth.
Who compelled IBB to nullify the election?
OXFORD DICTONARY states, COMPEL as “to force somebody to do something”
Was IBB not known for ruthlessly and mercilessly killing people like DELE GIWA? VATSA? Closing down universities without explanation, or suspending media outlet for criticizing his regime?
Please let him tell us who compelled him as the dictatorial and liberator of corruption in Nigeria to nullify the election. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 4:10pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
The same old Mamajama (as uncivilized as he wants to be).
I thought we've moved past this kind of childish behaviour, but I guess I was wrong. My man, you're too damn old for this rubbish, why not get yourself together and return back to clearly make your point?
The kids are starting to visit this forum, we need not to disrespect each other any longer.
By the way, is Sunday Ehindero getting himself ready? Because the clock is ticking, his days in KIRIKIRI are not too far. Just wait till El-rufai is captured. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Mamajama(m): 5:51pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
Your pessimistic accusation without facts is ridiculous. How can you put Ehindero in Jail when you can’t even provide concrete evidence that he stole a penny?
A honorable man like Ehindero honored all invitation to clear his name by all the parastatals that invited him for questioning.
Please name one invitation that your toothless father honored in Nigeria.
Was he not invited by more than 4 panels? Why is he now running around like headless chicken and telling us why he annulled the election and not talking about what happened to the $12 billion gulf oil revenue? |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Looklike2: 8:21pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
you they ok. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by fyneguy: 8:44pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
Oh my God! Did IBB really say this?  I thought he was intelligent enough to know this's sheer bull crap! You did not handover to a democratically elected government but set up an ING headed by Shonekan. Was the ING constituted in a way that made coup détat- the alibi for annulling June 12- impossible? IBB is not intelligent afterall! |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Becomrrich: 9:42pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
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| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by fyneguy: 9:46pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
@Lucabrasi
I often agree to your opinions on many issues on this forum. However, on this, you leave much to be desired.
May be I should still pretend you are a democrat, then I would not need to remind you that even if Nigerians voted for a dog as president, nobody had the right to annul such an election.
If Nigerians voted Osama Bin Laden as President, no amount of Terrorism threat should make anybody- let alone a heartless person like IBB- subvert the wish of Nigerians.
That's the spirit of democracy. You dont make excuses to subvert the choice of the majority. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Mamajama(m): 10:09pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
MR IBB now that you want to tell Nigerians why you annulled the election, why not tell us why you failed to honor invitation to testify to what happened to $12 billion oil revenue?
What happened to DELE GIWA |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by oderemo(m): 10:50pm On Feb 09, 2009 |
What happened to DELE GIWA the answer, ibb will take to heaven. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Muza(m): 9:17am On Feb 10, 2009 |
ode remo:
What happened to DELE GIWA
the answer, ibb will take to heaven.
Heaven? |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by lucabrasi(m): 12:49pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
fyneguy:
@Lucabrasi
I often agree to your opinions on many issues on this forum. However, on this, you leave much to be desired.
May be I should still pretend you are a democrat, then I would not need to remind you that even if Nigerians voted for a dog as president, nobody had the right to annul such an election.
If Nigerians voted Osama Bin Laden as President, no amount of Terrorism threat should make anybody- let alone a heartless person like IBB- subvert the wish of Nigerians.
That's the spirit of democracy. You dont make excuses to subvert the choice of the majority.
you seem to think im taking this personal,however please only agree with me on any issue after you have objectively examined it and come to your own logical independent opinion,the same way i make comments on issues. there are a couple of issues you have failed to consider first that this is not about the individual ibb but about the political climate at that time. it is easy to say anyone that won should be allowed to rule ignoring national security but wouldnt all of us here blame ibb for the loss of thousands of lives if there is a breakdown of law and order? remember the state nigeria is in now,any spark will cause a conflagration that wont die down easily, the various riots have proved that. in a country where a tested and tried system of democratic ideals is in place,then anyone that won should have been allowed to rule ,but in a peculiar and highly combustible political climate like it was then,wisdom and consensus needs to be the best way out of the crisis, if a ram enters a china shop,you either quietly with wisdom entice and negotiate it out, or you can go the way you are advocating,after all its your shop and an ordinary ram not minding the damage of broken plates and cups that ll cost you more to replace |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 3:18pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
Knowing what the man knew at the time, I think to the best of his ability, he made the right decision.
But was the decision the best decision? The answer is "NO". And IBB himself has used the term "Unfortunate" many times, when he talks about the annulment.
We must keep in mind that part of leadership roles is making difficult decisions. Some of the decisions will be on the money, while others will be zero. But the most important thing is having the courage to make these decisions under all circumstances.
I honestly believe that MKO wouldn't have won the election if IBB did not want him to be the next president.
In fact, it was confirmed that all kinds of negative implications (that had nothing to do with IBB) emerged as soon as MKO was declared the winner of the election.
NOTE: When a president is about to step down (especially Military leader), the first thing is to ensure a bright and peaceful future as a civilian. As a current leader who is finishing his term or stepping down, at all costs, you must discover a perfect path towards a peaceful transition and capitalize on it.
The destiny of the next president is determined by the current president, while the future of the current president as a civilian is determined by the next or replacing president.
It is a "give and take" situation coming from both ends (politics).
IBB felt more comfortable by making sure that the transition was smooth and peaceful; and electing MKO as the next president wasn't the answer. It was that simple.
If anything had happened to MKO as the next president after IBB, IBB's future as a civilian would have been a total nightmare. IBB was well aware of this circumstance, and he was clearly not ready to give up his potential peaceful future as a civilian. (Northerners simply prefer each other when it comes to "integrity, strength, ability, and surety")
In short, the decision was made because IBB was trying to look out for the stability of this nation and also at the same time to ensure sound and steadfast future for himself as a civilian.
Any politician would have done just the same. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by lucabrasi(m): 4:26pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
Big B1:
Knowing what the man knew at the time, I think to the best of his ability, he made the right decision.
But was the decision the best decision? The answer is "NO". And IBB himself has used the term "Unfortunate" many times, when he talks about the annulment.
We must keep in mind that part of leadership roles is making difficult decisions. Some of the decisions will be on the money, while others will be zero. But the most important thing is having the courage to make these decisions under all circumstances.
i disagree with the above totally,the word "unfortunate" ibb used was not the fact that he made a wrong call but the fact that it was a sad thing which needed to have been done, george bush can say it was unfortunate the way the iraq debacle turned out,but he had to make that call for whatever reasons he can justify at that time" doesnt mean that in his eyes,it was wrong,it simply means he didnt take the issue lightly and wasnt happy with the ensuing surrounding scenarios. it was the best decision he could have made at the time in view of the reasons advanced and he couldnt have made a better decision,save killing abacha and the members of the afrc,retiring or sending the g.o.c s into exile all because of a single man abiola |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 4:36pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
My man, we are saying the same thing.
"Unfortunate" simply means "bad luck"
IBB has used the term (unfortunate) to indirectly indicate that he wasn't proud of the end result of the whole situation. It absolutely doesn't mean he regrets his decision. In fact, I can guarantee you that the man would make the same decision if he's placed under similar circumstance.
It is very simple: "You come first" |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by lucabrasi(m): 4:38pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
okie no worries dude,crossed wires there. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 4:41pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
As a leader, every single decision is difficult, but you must make them. The best you could hope for, is for your decisions to produce positive end result.
Therefore, a leader (a decision maker) must anticipate good luck and bad luck at all time.
This particular decision (the annulment) produced a bad luck, because an innocent man and a friend (MKO) lost his life during the process. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by JustGood(m): 6:34pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
Big B1:
Knowing what the man knew at the time, I think to the best of his ability, he made the right decision.
But was the decision the best decision? The answer is "NO". And IBB himself has used the term "Unfortunate" many times, when he talks about the annulment.
We must keep in mind that part of leadership roles is making difficult decisions. Some of the decisions will be on the money, while others will be zero. But the most important thing is having the courage to make these decisions under all circumstances.
I honestly believe that MKO wouldn't have won the election if IBB did not want him to be the next president.
In fact, it was confirmed that all kinds of negative implications (that had nothing to do with IBB) emerged as soon as MKO was declared the winner of the election.
NOTE: When a president is about to step down (especially Military leader), the first thing is to ensure a bright and peaceful future as a civilian. As a current leader who is finishing his term or stepping down, at all costs, you must discover a perfect path towards a peaceful transition and capitalize on it.
The destiny of the next president is determined by the current president, while the future of the current president as a civilian is determined by the next or replacing president.
It is a "give and take" situation coming from both ends (politics).
IBB felt more comfortable by making sure that the transition was smooth and peaceful; and electing MKO as the next president wasn't the answer. It was that simple.
If anything had happened to MKO as the next president after IBB, IBB's future as a civilian would have been a total nightmare. IBB was well aware of this circumstance, and he was clearly not ready to give up his potential peaceful future as a civilian. (Northerners simply prefer each other when it comes to "integrity, strength, ability, and surety")
In short, the decision was made because IBB was trying to look out for the stability of this nation and also at the same time to ensure sound and steadfast future for himself as a civilian.
Any politician would have done just the same.
@Big B1, please dont tell me you believe (in your heart) this balderdash you posted above |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by lucabrasi(m): 6:56pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
Big B1:
This particular decision (the annulment) produced a bad luck, because an innocent man and a friend (MKO) lost his life during the process.
exactly, not forgetting that accepting or not accepting conditional release wasnt ibb's fault,that was the fault of the supposed friends of the man that betrayed him,they knew what was happening outside and the man's condition yet they urged him to refuse,even when his son told him to accept it,koffi anan,madeline albright e.t.c |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by cutie25: 7:46pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
IBB, whatever  |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by maxsiollun: 9:28pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
The military opposition to Abiola is all the more confusing given that Abiola has been in cahoots with Nigeria's ruling military junta since the mid 1970s when he struck up a friendship with then Minister of Communications Brig Murtala Muhammed and got a lucrative foothold in the telecoms industry.
He sponsored the 1983 coup that overthrew Shagari and the 1985 coup that brought his friend IBB to power. So why did his military buddies turn against him?
1) At the time the election was annulled the military brought out some claims abot how much money the FG owed Abiola, and that as president, Abiola could literally turn the national treasury into his personal bank account in order to reimburse himself.
2) There were unsubstantiated rumours that Abiola would retire the army top brass along the lines of what OBJ did in 1999. Some officers were afraid for their career prospects under Abiola.
3) Abiola was from the south. Some senior officers were never going to serve under a southern president - period.
4) Abiola had a lot of dirt on the military top brass. In decades of dealings with them, he had literally seen all their (mis)deeds and was probably the closest civilian to the inner workings of Nigerian military regimes.
5) OUTSIDE the military powerful civilian forces did not want an Abiola presidency.
All these anti-Abiola forces formed an unspoken coalition against him and that eventually pressurised IBB into the annulment. I personally believe that the annulment was not the work of IBB himself.
The statement that announced the annulment was shabbily handed out on an unsigned plain piece of paper that did not even bear federal military government letterhead. Suggesting that it was cooked up by "unofficial" elements" |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 10:28pm On Feb 10, 2009 |
I think you're not too far from the truth.
The bottom line was: IBB knew for sure that MKO wasn't going to be there for more than 60 days; therefore, his long-term peace of mind as a civilian was in jeopardy. He wasn't ready to give up himself for MKO.
We must keep in mind that IBB admin was attempting to transfer power from military regime, which made things a little bit more complex.
The annulment had absolutely nothing to do with IBB and MKO; the invisible top officials were directly responsible for it. And this is known by most politicians in Nigeria.
IBB is not the type to come out publicly to point fingers at those who were responsible. In fact, most of the things Nigerians have placed on IBB's neck were inaccurate. But as a true leader he continues to stay focus as ever. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by stockwise: 3:34am On Feb 11, 2009 |
IBB,at it again!trying to reinvent himself for 2011.ok,let just believe his story,for gist sake.pls help me ask him,why didnt he retire those"power hungry"generals?with his years in army and office as at that time am sure he knew those at were likely going to plan a coup. |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Sara1981(f): 5:30am On Feb 11, 2009 |
I think im gona have a headache now |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by remizi: 7:59am On Feb 11, 2009 |
me 3 lol |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by Renz(m): 12:06pm On Feb 11, 2009 |
IBB Again How many of you out there thinks IBB is going to make a difference on his 3rd term ? am quite sure this country will never remain the same if he becomes president |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 2:41pm On Feb 11, 2009 |
IBB Again?
Yes, why not?A Lagos-based businessman and former Special Adviser to the former Governor of Abia State, Dr. Orji Uzor Kalu on Integrated Rural Development, Ochiagha Reagan Ufomba, has explained his reason for his undying admiration for the former Military President, General Ibrahim Badamosi Babangida (retd). According to the Lawyer turned businessman, his love for him stemmed from his belief that Babaginda meant well for the country.He said all the policies and programmes of the former president were geared towards the betterment of the country, but regretted that most people did not believe the former military president then. He, however, expressed joy that people have come to realise that all Babagida’s programmes and policies were the only way forward for Nigeria, but observed that it was late.He advised Nigerians to look beyond the annulment of June 12, 1993 presidential election, which is the only crime Nigerians, are holding Babaginda responsible. He advised that people should consider the fact that the man conducted the freest and fairest election in the history of the country; saying if Babaginda did not mean well, he wouldn’t have painstakingly fished out the best materials and mobilised them to conduct that history making election. He wished that Babaginda would talk on what happened after the conduct of the 1993 presidential electionClick for more: http://www.ngex.com/cgi-bin/frame/frameit2.plx?link="http://www.sunnewsonline.com/" |
| Re: IBB: The Real Reason I Annulled June 12 by BigB11(m): 3:01pm On Feb 11, 2009 |
I wish the man could speak on how and why that election was annulled. Sometime last year, he had his birthday and I did an advertorial and part of it said that ‘I challenge our intellectuals; we have said that June 12 is the freest and fairest election that this country has ever had. In my days as law student, there was this saying about atus raus and menstraiar,’ and what does it mean literally speaking, ‘a dog cannot give birth to a cow.’ If IBB didn’t mean well ab initio, June 12 election couldn’t have been the freest and fairest election ever conducted in this country, because he thought about it, he planned it, he got the right people, he put the right people in place and the right materials in place, that was why it turned out that way.
Therefore, whatever happened thereafter, it is something we should ask him to explain. Looking at it simpli cita, it means that he meant well at the time he was organising and conducting that election. That was why we had that wonderful result. So, we should look beyond that man and June 12, and try to compare for instance, what was the exchange rate of the Naira to the Dollar then, what was the state of NEPA then? What was the state of our roads then? How much were we buying fuel at filling stations then? So, we can go on and on.
I remember when NUPENG went on industrial action, IBB deployed military tankers to serve patrol at filling stations by the roadsides and Nigerians were going.
I also remember during Babaginda’s administration, before every Christmas, before you go home, you will see emergency repairs of roads preparing you to go home for Christmas. Now what do we have? Ask some people who went home to the East during the last Christmas; some spent three days on the way against their will because the roads are terribly bad. So, I think I just have to say good morning to those who have just rediscovered or discovered IBB at this 11th hour. Ochiagha Reagan Ufomba |
