@Mrbrownjay
I am with you on this your definitions and understanding of adultery and fornication are completely scriptural and correct, i always try and enlighten people on the real meanings of this words, but trust our hypocrite brethen they say i am merely looking for excuses to commit. The bible is quite clear it is the established church that brings so much confusion into it. Any one in doubt should get a good bible concordance and check for the original biblical meanings of Adultery and fornication

@Mrbrownj
Even sinners know that pre-marital sex is wrong.If you have the law of God in your heart,you'll know that fornication is wrong.Showing you that fonication,adultery,immorality,premarital sex,homosexuality are sins is not the big deal.The big deal is,can you deal with it?Do you have the power to live above your sins or you're enslaved to your sins.I'm sure you tell lies and steal and make excuses for them as well.It's best you find a way to the Saviour,judgement is coming

What is the difference

You want to die by cutlass of guilutine
You want to die C4 or petrol bomb
you want to jump of a cliff or you want a stone to fall on you?

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@Mrbrownj
Even sinners know that pre-marital sex is wrong.If you have the law of God in your heart,you'll know that fornication is wrong.Showing you that fonication,adultery,immorality,premarital sex,homosexuality are sins is not the big deal.The big deal is,can you deal with it?Do you have the power to live above your sins or you're enslaved to your sins.I'm sure you tell lies and steal and make excuses for them as well.It's best you find a way to the Saviour,judgement is coming

read my previous post for answer to that little expose because i am tired of typing the same points over and over that NO ONE seems to be able to answer, or maybe YOU can read things that i have somehow missed.
since you are all singing the same tune without making any sense, i will tell you this:
IF THE ACTIONS OF KING DAVID WERE NOT VIEWED BY GOD AS SIN (OR ANY OF THE ABOVE YOU MENTIONED) THEN LET HE JUDGE ME WHEN TIME COMES.
my actions are just the same as king Davids which GOD ACCEPTED as NOT A SIN, or is there different hierarchy in which a sin for some might is NOT a sin for others?!
case closed!!!!!

by the way, here is for you to consider:
In 2 Samuel 12:8, God, speaking through the prophet Nathan, said that if David’s wives and concubines were not enough, He would have given David even more. was god promoting fornication?

@Mrbrownj
All this case close,caseclosed won't help you.God did not permit David to have other men's wives,neither did he permit him to have people that could get married to others.David was not sleeping with people that he wasn't married to.The only time he did that,he was punished for it.And to remind you,if you're going to live by what is in the Bible,then you better center it on Jesus and what He's got to say,not on any man.

@image
i will copy and paste what i wrote earlier so that you can think on that for a minute,
one of God's greatest leader, King David (who God called a man"after his own heart", had hundreds of wives and hundreds of unmarried concubines (women kept in the house for the purpose of SEX).  None of these were considered sins.  It is only when David had sex with another man's wife that he committed the sin of adultery.
the only sin, in this case, is to sleep with another man's wife because she is the property of someone else. sleeping with other single women that were NOT whores, was TOTALLY OK.

i don't need anybody to try to drill into my head something i don't believe, i am an educated person and will read the bible and believe what i read, not what someone else's views are and i would advise ANYONE to do the same thing.

about the case close thingy, the case should have been closed a long time ago because all you guys do is come up with the same line that is not answering the question, show me in the bible where it says that what king David did was a sin. if you cant(which we already know) then the CASE is CLOSED

what most people don't know is that the BIBLE contradict itself so many times and whoever reads it will use the one that benefits his/her own agenda. trust yourself and no other!!!!!
let me give you some examples of what i am talking about:

Does every man sin?
(a)   Yes. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b)   No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God,  (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:

Does God change his mind?
(a)   Yes. “The word of the Lord came to Samuel: “I repent that I have made Saul King, ” (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
(b)   No. God “will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent” (I Samuel 15:29)
(c)   Yes again. “And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel” (I Samuel 15:35).
Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book!
In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:
“The Lord was sorry that he made man” (Genesis 6:6)
“I am sorry that I have made them” (Genesis 6:7)
“And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people” (Exodus 32:14).

Did Judas kiss Jesus?
(a)   Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
(b)  No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

Did Jesus bear his own cross?
(a)   Yes (John 19:17)
(b)  No (Matthew 27:31-32)

Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?
(a)   On the cross (Mark 15:23)
(b)  In Pilate’s court (John 19:14)

Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?
(a)   Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, “Today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43)
(b)  No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, “I have not yet ascended to the Father” (John 20:17)

How did Judas die?
(a)  After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
(b)  After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?
(a) Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
(b) Heli (Luke 3:23)

Jesus descended from which son of David?
(a) Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
(b) Nathan(Luke3:31)

Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?
(a) Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
(b) Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

What was the exact wording on the cross?
(a)  “This is Jesus the King of the Jews” (Matthew 27:37)
(b)   “The King of the Jews” (Mark 15:26)
(c)   “This is the King of the Jews” (Luke 23:38)
(d)   “Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews” (John 19:19)

Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?
(a)  Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
(b)  Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Luke’s gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?
(a)  By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
(b)  His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?
(a) By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
(b)  On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
(a)  Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
(b)  No. (John 12:27)

According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?
(a)   “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” (Luke 23:46)
(b)  "It is finished" (John 19:30).

Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?
(a)   No (John 3:13)
(b)  Yes. “And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven” (2 Kings 2:11)

According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?
(a)   “If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true” (John 5:3 1)
(b)  “Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true” (John 8:14)

When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?
(a)   Yes (Matthew 21:12)
(b)  No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17).

Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?
(a)  Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
(b)  No(John 1:19-21)

What was the name of King Abijah’s mother?
(a) Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
(b) Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

the list goes on, so everyone should read the bible with his/her own heart and should what is right or wrong, FOR THEMSELVES.
VOILA!!!!!

check this out  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=237189.msg3493816#msg3493816

they are both ugly sins.  [size=18pt]the looser is always you and the devil[/size] the master of all sinners.  havent you seen that?

i saw this as someone answer to a question online

What is sodomy?
sod⋅om⋅y
   /ˈsɒdəmi/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sod-uh-mee] Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. [size=18pt]anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.[/size]

I was shocked to learn this!!! Our culture has accepted another thing God hates!!!

try google the word what is sodomy? and see what you get. i dont know who changed your calender. the word of God is timeless/ ageless. hell is going to be full of many misguided church going, religious tongue talking people. why not save yourself the agro.

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J. Lee Grady Newsletters - Fire In My Bones   

You don't have to compromise with our sex-saturated culture. By God's grace you can stay in the sexual safety zone.


There were some raised eyebrows last week on the campus of Southeastern University in Lakeland, Fla., when I hosted a special meeting—the day before Valentine's Day—on the subject of fornication. That's not a word you normally associate with a lecture topic, but hey, I had to get attention. And since the hormones on most college campuses are as dense as Florida humidity, I figured the kids would be all ears when I attacked the subject.

I was right. At times you could hear a pin drop in the auditorium, especially when I talked about how most American young people aren't even sure how to define sexual activity anymore. (Today's college seniors were nine years old when President Clinton tried to redefine sex during the Lewinsky scandal.) At other times the students burst into nervous laughter, especially when I told how I gave my son-in-law a lecture about sexual boundaries in front of 700 of his classmates when he was dating my oldest daughter.

"Losing one's virginity used to be a serious issue, but today fornication is just a standard sitcom plot device."

I thought it might be helpful to share these key points with a wider audience, since many of the readers of this column are single. And even if you are married, it would be good to take a quick refresher course in self-control—since we live in a nation that is losing all moral restraint. Here's what I told the group at Southeastern:

1. Don't redefine your morality. I've seen Christian young people roll their eyes when I say the word "fornication" because it sounds so much like King James English—sort of like "sodomy," another word we avoid in our PC culture. But we need to be careful how we bend the meaning of words. Terms that are in the Bible should not vanish from our modern vocabulary just because they offend some of the hosts of The View.

When "fornication" is used in 1 Thessalonians 4:3 ("For this is the will of God ,  that ye should abstain from fornication" KJV), the Greek word is porneia. It's the root word for pornography, but it means a lot more than sexually explicit material. It includes sex between unmarried people, homosexuality, bestiality, prostitution, incest and adultery.

According to the apostle Paul, sex as God intended is limited to marriage between one man and one woman. Period. The Episcopal Church has no right to broaden the definition. Neither do Bill Clinton, Newsweek, Oprah or HBO. Don't let moral relativism infect your brain.

2. Don't sell your birthright. Losing one's virginity used to be a serious issue, but today fornication is just a standard sitcom plot device. It's considered normal. People are considered weird if they didn't have sex by age 14; and if anybody dares to teach abstinence in a public school he is labeled a Neanderthal.

In TV shows like Desperate Housewives, Nip/Tuck or Grey's Anatomy, life revolves around who's in bed with whom. There's even a TV series on Showtime called Californication that follows the life of a sex addict. What TV producers don't usually explore are the consequences of immorality. Audiences probably wouldn't laugh if the couples hooking up on these shows had to deal with genital warts, gonorrhea, AIDS, abortions, post-abortion trauma or clinical depression—all real fallout from illicit sexual behavior.

If you are a single person today—whether you have lost your virginity or not—it's time to reclaim your purity and save sex for marriage. We've forgotten the story of Esau, who forfeited his birthright through one stupid act. He traded his inheritance for a bowl of stew. You really can throw your life away through one act of fornication.

3. Get ruthless with your weaknesses. Jesus sounded stricter than a Catholic school principal when He talked to His disciples about self-discipline. He told them: "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell" (Matt. 5:29, NASB).

Jesus was not advocating self-mutilation. He was using sarcasm to emphasize how serious sin is—and He urged His followers to take radical steps to avoid the snares of temptation. In our sex-soaked society, it is more imperative than ever that we draw boundaries.

Got a problem with pornography? If you can't discipline yourself to avoid offending Web sites, get rid of your computer. Do you end up engaging in heavy petting or intercourse with your girlfriend or boyfriend after a few minutes of kissing? Draw lines and stick to them. And if you can't stick to the rules, ask for intervention. If you don't you are headed for spiritual shipwreck.

4. Live a transparent life. The Bible never advocates that we battle sin alone. We need each other. James 5:16 says: "Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed." In some cases you will never get victory over temptation until you share your struggle with another Christian and seek counsel and prayer.

So many believers today are living with secrets. Many women (and men too) were molested as children by a relative or friend—yet they have never shared their pain. Many young guys are trapped in a dark world of pornography and masturbation but are too ashamed to admit it. Many Christians struggle with same-sex attraction yet they fear that if they confess their thoughts they will be rejected.

You will never discover the abundant life Christ promised until you clean out your spiritual closets and deal with all your dirty laundry. Total forgiveness and cleansing is available, but confession and repentance must come first.

5. Develop the fear of God. Paul had sober words for the Thessalonians who ignored his admonitions about sexual sin. He told them: "He who rejects this is not rejecting man but the God who gives His Holy Spirit to you" (1 Thess. 4:Cool. It couldn't be clearer: If you disregard sexual boundaries, you are on thin ice.

What we desperately need in the church today is a conscience awakening. Too many Christians have warped judgment—and they don't even feel godly remorse when they break God's law. If you have any form of sexual sin in your life, flee it immediately and make a 180-degree turn. He will grant you the grace to live a life of purity.



J. Lee Grady is editor of Charisma.



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i will never pretend to have no sin, but yet again by reading the bible it says:
(a) all men are sinners. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b) No true christians are sinners because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:

therefore i can believe what the hell I want without having fanatics fill my head with rubbish they stand by.
ps: me and my girl are proud carrier of the international anal sex association's card.

MRbrownJAY:

i will never pretend to have no sin, but yet again by reading the bible it says:
(a) all men are sinners. “There is no man who does not sin” (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
(b) No true christians are sinners because they are the children of God. “Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God, (I John 5:1). “We should be called children of God; and so we are” (I John 3: 1). “He who loves is born of God” (I John 4:7). “No one born of God commits sin; for God’s nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God” (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! “If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us” (I John 1:

therefore i can believe what the hell I want without having fanatics fill my head with rubbish they stand by.
ps: me and my girl are proud carrier of the international anal sex association's card.

carry the card well cos you will soon need it.

@MrbrownJ
Are you a christian?the answer will help me in my answer to your queston.

@ image should it matter? really? or are you looking for another reason to discriminate me?
listen, let us all forget about this discussion because i am sure we will never understand each other. read YOUR bible, i would read MINE. understand what YOU want and i will understand what I want. i am not 10yrs old. go and try to brainwash someone else.
as a strong minded person, i will use my own head to believe what i read without having a stranger dictate what i should or shouldn't do, and if you believe that a simple pastor is holier than thou then you are a bigger dreamer (i am being polite). all men are created equal!

are you the devil?! as i wrote on an earlier post,  The Bible has always been misused BY THE DEVIL to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler's Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
We'd like to believe that no person of good would misuse the Bible to support his or her own prejudice. But time and time again it has happened with tragic results. the only way not to be fooled is to believe what YOU decide is right, no other!
open your eyes. educate yourself, use your brain, follow your heart and make your OWN judgment.
and to reply to your question: i am HUMAN!

see you on judgement day then

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see you on judgement day then

Mrbrownjay has made some very fundamental and clear bible based asertions, he even went to the extent of quoting from original bible interpretations that have not been tainted by translation errors which we have in most of the versions in circulation today. He gave a very glaring example in the story of david whom God blessed with several wives and concubines, he was able to establish biblically that you don't understand the real biblical meaning of adultery and fornication yet you are still carrying on as if you know what you are talking about when you cannot even substantiate it from the very bible you claim to believe in. Lets face the facts the church as over the centuries forced several doctrines into christianity and most christians just believe such doctrines even though there is no sound biblical basis for it. There is no were in the bible a christian is forbidden from having more than one wife and the biblical definiton of fornication does not include pre-marital sex. adultery was strictly to do with married women go and study you bible well b4 coming here to embarass your self and quoting the bible out of context to support your allusions

@kunleOshob
did you read mrbrownj's last post?He's not ready/willing to listen or even discuss.I don't recall quoting anything from scriptures in this thread as yet.Its funny that you're accusing me of misquoting scriptures.If he or you want to discuss the issues raised,then show the attitude.If you just intend to drop your view and run,I don't cast my pearls before people who will not appreciate it.

come on IMAGE, don't misquote me please. this thread is 46 answers deep, and i have been listening/answering/discussing with what you and others had to say. you came up with scriptures from the bible and i came up with scriptures from the SAME BIBLE contradicting everything you so claim. since it's from the exact same bible, i can assume that you can claim to be right and i will do to. believe what you want and i will believe what i want. i am just pointing out facts that are written in the holy book, like you said earlier "see you on judgment day".
it's too easy to use the bible partially just because it fits someone's agenda. we either take it as a whole or we don't. what happen in biblical time, can not be reproduce here today. women and slave were considered property to be owned by males. men where allowed to have 100s of wives. people who sinned where stoned to death, these are some of the things that are facts IN THE BIBLE that we don't follow today. why would someone choose no to follow these bible rules but yet follow others. an earlier poster told me that it was because it's against the law, whose law? are we living under the bible laws or the country/human rights laws?
if we follow the country law(depending on where you are) then fornication and gay sex is NOT against the law, if we follow the bible laws then fornication is NOT against the law but gay sex is, but funny thing is , that it would be discrimination because we all know that "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" , so you see we are back to square one.

The Bible is a collection of writings which span more than a thousand years recounting the history of God's relationship with the Hebrew and Christian people. It was written in several languages, embraces many literary forms, and reflects cultures very different from our own. These are important considerations for properly understanding the Bible in its context. There are vast differences in doctrines between various Christian denominations, all of which use the same Bible. Such differences have led some Christians to claim that other Christians are not really Christians at all! Biblical interpretation and theology differ from church to church.
so you see we are again back to square one, just use your own intelligence to settle the matter.

@Mrbrownj
I asked you if you're a christian and you gave me a reply that suggested that you weren't interested in listening to me.see it quoted below.pls note the bolded

@ image should it matter? really? or are you looking for another reason to discriminate me?
listen, let us all forget about this discussion because i am sure we will never understand each other. read YOUR bible, i would read MINE. understand what YOU want and i will understand what I want. i am not 10yrs old. go and try to brainwash someone else.[/b]as a strong minded person,[b] i will use my own head to believe what i read without having a stranger dictate what i should or shouldn't do, and if you believe that a simple pastor is holier than thou then you are a bigger dreamer (i am being polite). all men are created equal!

are you the devil?! as i wrote on an earlier post, The Bible has always been misused BY THE DEVIL to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler's Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose."
We'd like to believe that no person of good would misuse the Bible to support his or her own prejudice. But time and time again it has happened with tragic results. the only way not to be fooled is to believe what YOU decide is right, no other!
open your eyes. educate yourself, use your brain, follow your heart and make your OWN judgment.
and to reply to your question: i am HUMAN!

I do not recall coming up with any scriptures as yet.You seem sorry to say,confused about the Holy Book.What you need is a willing heart,a soft heart.Hardness of heart will not help.You seem to be a professing christian but importantly,you need the spirit in control,not the body/flesh or soul.that will aid your understanding.I'm coming please.

@MrbrownJ
Talking about using the Bible partially,you're the one that seems to be paying no regard to the fact that we live in the new testament/new covenant time.Never to say that the old testament is redundant,never.But we read the old and look at the old with the eye of the new.We live after Jesus,the truth.the Bible records that truth came by Jesus.He and His ways and sayings are greater than any example that we may think that we have in the old or new dispensation.

If ever David failed in life,it was in the family aspect.His house was in disorder.People who have come out of polygamous homes usually warn others of the evils and the sorrows involved.If you want to copy David's family,i'll advice you not to.His is the story of polygamous homes before,now and after.Its in his family that children were killing one another and raping one another.I wonder what the wives did to one aanother.Maybe one might have held his throat and shrieked "give me children or else I will kill you".If thats what you want God to sanction for you,well think well.

do you have the audacity to say that i am wrong?!

1) WAS KING DAVID EVER CONSIDERED A SINNER WHILE "FORNICATING" WITH HIS MANY CONCUBINES(that he wasn't married to)? NO, therefore there is nothing more to discuss on fornication.

2) IS THERE A SPECIAL WAY TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE IN TODAY'S WORLD? YES, many pastors around the world are preaching that it's ok to be a polygamist while others will claim that homosexuality is ok (let's not forget that Jide Macaulay guy who just came out of the closet and saying that there is nothing wrong with being gay). the way to understand the bible in today's world is WITHIN YOUR HEART. apply the rules that works for you and all will be well. are you saying that all these "holy men" are crazy/drugged just because they have a different view than you?
who are you to judge me as a fornicator?! i am HUMAN and that's all you need to know to LOVE ME as you fellow man. YOU SHOULD LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR remember?!

3) what i just realize is that in your last post you "ADVISE" me, and that's what you should have said ALL ALONG instead of trying to bring your point as THE WORD. i am willing to listen to someone putting their point across but i am NOT willing to listen to someone telling me what i should or should NOT understand from something i can bloody read myself. these are your views and here are mine. accept my differences and all is well. telling me that i will burn in hell because i am a fornicator is just a way of trying to force me into stopping what i am doing(which YOU think is a sin)

so go out and advise people on what YOU believe is the right way to live their lives and if they don't want to live by your rules, then it's ok, love them anyway and let GOD be the judge!

@mrbrownj
you are wrong.i don't need audacity to say that.David's concubines could not be touched by any other person.they belonged to him,were taken care of by him,lived under him.If you want to copy him,too bad.Why not copy good things and learn also from others that raised their famlies better.
Have not condemned you,but I have told you the truth.The truth is that you are wrong,in error.You live in the new covenant,should should walk in the new life.Its not a time to faint because people have differing opinions about the scriptures,its a time to BUY the truth.make an effort to know it.if you faint in the day of adversity,your strength is small.

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@mrbrownj
you are wrong.i don't need audacity to say that.David's concubines could not be touched by any other person.they belonged to him,were taken care of by him,lived under him.If you want to copy him,too bad.Why not copy good things and learn also from others that raised their famlies better.

so in essence what YOU are saying is that it was perfectly ok to sleep with women that you were not married to as long as you fed them and provide shelter for them, was that not PREMARITAL SEX/FORNICATION in your book?! "marriage is honourable in all and the bed undefiled" isn't it, so where does that fit in this scenario?! were they not going to burn in hell?  or did i miss a hurdle? before it was fornication now it is just "BAD". ,  nice try son.

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Have  not condemned you,but I have told you the truth.

and who decided that what you THINK you understand is the truth,  no, it is YOUR truth. you only take parts that fits your agenda as the truth and, you make all the other parts that point to the contrary automatically obsolete. nice try!!!
anyway i have made my point over many days and will always stand by them.
PREMARITAL SEX IS NOT VIEWED BY THE BIBLE AS SIN
HAVING SEX WITH WOMEN THAT YOU ARE NOT MARRIED TO IS NOT FORNICATION
LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS YOU WOULD LOVE YOURSELF, even if he is a murderer, and let god be the judge.

so in essence what YOU are saying is that it was perfectly ok to sleep with women that you were not married to as long as you fed them and provide shelter for them, was that not PREMARITAL SEX/FORNICATION in your book?! "marriage is honourable in all and the bed undefiled" isn't it, so where does that fit in this scenario?! were they not going to burn in hell? or did i miss a hurdle? before it was fornication now it is just "BAD". , nice try son.

I didn't say it was normal.I said it was bad.Fornication is bad.There's no change in what i said.David operated a bad family system.His family is not a good model for christians,sorry to say.There are other better examples,and never forget that Christians answer first to Jesus before any other.The standards of the new testament are clear for all.The purpose of God from the beginning is laid for us.there is correction in love,you don't just say love your neighboir aeven if he's a muderer and let God judge.Christians are here as light,showing people the way,so it will be best if you were open to correction.Like I said,concubines were simply unofficial wives.No other person can touch or sleep with a concubine,she belongs to a man.Fornicators do not belong to one another,they are 'players'.When you're ready,we will open Bible

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I didn't say it was normal.I said it was bad.Fornication is bad.There's no change in what i said.David operated a bad family system.His family is not a good model for christians,sorry to say.There are other better examples,and never forget that Christians answer first to Jesus before any other.The standards of the new testament are clear for all.The purpose of God from the beginning is laid for us.there is correction in love,you don't just say love your neighboir aeven if he's a muderer and let God judge.Christians are here as light,showing people the way,so it will be best if you were open to correction.Like I said,concubines were simply unofficial wives.No other person can touch or sleep with a concubine,she belongs to a man.Fornicators do not belong to one another,they are 'players'.When you're ready,we will open Bible

so fornication is no longer a sin?! ahahahahah IS FORNICATION BAD OR A SIN?! this is 2 different things, BAD is not punishable by death, sin is. so which one is it? you know that you can never win this argument with me, the bible already point out to the fact that premarital sex was ok in biblical times as long as you didnt have sex with another mans wife. Marriage was not the only option to sleep with a woman as CLEARLY shown by the actions of KING DAVID, KING SOLOMON and The rest.
you are just saying exactly what i have been saying for the last 100post!!!!!
is operating a bad family system a sin?!
I thought marriage was the only way to have sex with someone?! "marriage is honorable and the bed undefiled", so now it's possible to have sex without being married?!,  ahahahahaha you crack me up!
this is what is confusing for most common people, the fact that people are bending the true words for their own selfish agendas.
if a person is in a faithful relationship with his girlfriend then it's ok,  they belong to each other and no one else.
i care for every girl i fornicate with and for that little moment they are mine, my "wives" so i am all good.

@Mrbrownj
now you're playing with words.I'm telling you the truth that will help you.You're picking words.Sorry for you.Nobody is your wife until you have been joined by God.And if you defile any girl,the Bible says God will destroy you.Its good you get married.Fornication is wrong,bad,sinful,damnable.Flee fornication.You are well informed.You live in the new covenant.Excuses will only excuse you out of the kingdom of God

isn't the bible made of WORDS, i am just going by the WORDS of the bible, none other, and especially not from any charlatans(pastors, priests etc) out there preaching what THEY want to believe!
all men are created equal so since i am equal to king David/Solomon, i cannot be punish as THEY were not!
me and my concubineS will enjoy doing what we do which is NOT punishable, sinful or whatever you call it.
go brainwash someone else.

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@Mrbrownj
now you're playing with words.I'm telling you the truth that will help you.You're picking words.Sorry for you.Nobody is your wife until you have been joined by God.And if you defile any girl,the Bible says God will destroy you.Its good you get married.Fornication is wrong,bad,sinful,damnable.Flee fornication.You are well informed.You live in the new covenant.Excuses will only excuse you out of the kingdom of God

Do you even know the biblical definition of fornication at all

Fornication is ok cos u are doing it with an opposite sex but Gay! Yark!!! same sex ahah that one is really bad for me. Am not saying that fornication is good but in this situation if one must choose one then fornication is ok.

@peejee
you have an option to choose none of the above.Sin is not good and will be punished by God.Fornication and gay sex are wrong and sinful.They are sin as brownj will want me to say clearly

@Mrbrownj
why are you deceiving yourself.you are a non-jew and you live in the time of the gentiles,the new covenant period.If you want to live exactly like david and solomon,it'll be good that you visited jerusalem soon for the feast of the passover and also wait behind for pentecost.Take along all your bulls and lambs and doves for sacrifices and burnt offerings,show yourself to the priest and stay unclean so that you would not be locked up for some days.lol.B T W,do you know the meaning of concubine from the bible?
@kunle
I'm not aware of a particular passage in the bible that gives a dictionary type definition.I'm sure you ciould pull one out of the greek and hebrew dicos.I'll simply infer from the Bible

Image am not saying that fornication is good its bad but if am in a situation to choose between the 2, well I will go for fornication instead of same sex. u are right I have no option to choose b/w the 2 sin is sin. As for that mr brownj that guy na realy devil. the way he is misquoting the bible is very bad REPENT!

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