Islam Among Arabs:

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

The quran claims Abraham, Moses , Jesus and the Disciples were muslims. How true is this claim?

The above verse makes us to understand that no Scripture (Book) was given to the Arabs and no messengers had ever been to them before Muhammad. The quran also says Torah was given to Moses and Injeel to Jesus. These Scriptures had been existing before Muhammad and yet the above verse states the Arab didn’t have them. One would expet that as the Scriptures from Allah, the Books (Torah and Injeel) were supossed to be meant for all humanity, including the Arabs. Moses and Jesus as muslims, the Scriptures given to them should have been in use in Arabia where Abraham had established islam and Kaaba built for them.

Question: How come the Books of Allah (Toral and Injeel) were not known among the Arabs who were said to be muslims since the time of Abraham?

The verse also faults the claim that Abraham and Ishmael as messengers were ever in Mecca to build Kaaba as there was no messengers there before Muhammad.

Since it was not Abraham and Ishmael who built Kaaba as there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, it must have been built by Meccan pagans, which Muhammad adopted as the house of worship of Allah.

I s l a m A religion of confused people Pls, can u get me carmel pizz?

truthman2012:
Islam Among Arabs:

But We had not given them Books which they could study, nor sent messengers to them before thee as Warners (Quran 34:44 YusufAli).

Please the OP should tell us the messengers sent to the Arabs before Muhammed(peace be on him)and the scriptures given to them before the advent of Islam?

eshbeewanna:


Please the OP should tell us the messengers sent to the Arabs before Muhammed(peace be on him)and the scriptures given to them before the advent of Islam?

You hardly understand anything. Na wa for you o!

Muslims claim Abraham and Ishmael were once in Mecca and they built Kaaba, right? Were they not messengers?

Now the quran says no messengers was in Arab and no Book was given to them before Muhammad came, right?

How do you justify the claim that Abraham and Ishmael were the persons who built Kaaba without contradiction, since no messengers ever got to Arabia before Muhammad?

How were the Arabians practising their religion without any book to guide them if islam had existed there before the advent of Muhammad?

If islam had not existed there, who built Kaaba other than Meccan pagans?

Do you understand this time?

Ibrahim and Isma'eel were not Arabs and were not sent specifically to the Arabs, though some must have; ultimately; heard their message and become Muslims. There was actually nobody in Mecca when they got there. That is why Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hills searching for water, instead of just asking the next door neighbour to give her a sip... duuuuh!


The kaaba was not built specifically for the Arabs. It was built for ALL of mankind. Arab and non-Arab came to perform the pilgrimage...


"Indeed the first House of worship appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; such as the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability. And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House: ‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves in prayer.’ And proclaim the Hajj among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26-27)

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and a sanctuary, saying: Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood to pray. (Quran 2:126)

Abuamam

Ibrahim and Isma'eel were not Arabs and were not sent specifically to the Arabs, though some must have; ultimately; heard their message and become Muslims. There was actually nobody in Mecca when they got there. That is why Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hills searching for water, instead of just asking the next door neighbour to give her a sip... duuuuh!

Tell me from the quran, which native were Abraham and Ishmael if they were not Arabs?

Even if they were Nigerians, their being in Mecca building Kaaba for allah means they were messengers to the Arabs. But the qurans says there were no messengers in Mecca before Muhammad.

How could Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hill to search for water, do people fetch water on the hill or river?

The kaaba was not built specifically for the Arabs. [b]It was built for ALL of mankind. [/b]Arab and non-Arab came to perform the pilgrimage...


"Indeed the first House of worship appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; such as the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability. And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House: ‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves in prayer.’ And proclaim the Hajj among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26-27)

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and a sanctuary, saying: Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood to pray. (Quran 2:126)

If Kaaba was built for ALL MANKIND, why were other prophets before Muhammad not go there for worship. I have asked muslims on nairaland on many occasions to show any islamic source proving Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob and even Jesus visited Kaaba as a house of worship for ALL MANKIND. No biblical or historical evidence that they visited there. Would they not have visited Kaaba if it was built by their father Abraham for worship of God? Is Israel where they lived not part of mankind? Since they didn't visit Kaaba, it further confirms Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to build Kaaba. It is satanic deception to make man worship pagan idol as the true God.

truthman2012:


Tell me from the quran, which native were Abraham and Ishmael if they were not Arabs?


Even if they were Nigerians, their being in Mecca building Kaaba for allah means they were messengers to the Arabs. But the qurans says there were no messengers in Mecca before Muhammad.

How could Hajar ran between the Safa and Marwa hill to search for water, do people fetch water on the hill or river?

You know how much I hate silly questions. Please take them back.

truthman2012:

If Kaaba was built for ALL MANKIND, why were other prophets before Muhammad not go there for worship. I have asked muslims on nairaland on many occasions to show any islamic source proving Moses, Joshua, Isaac, Jacob and even Jesus visited Kaaba as a house of worship for ALL MANKIND. No biblical or historical evidence that they visited there. Would they not have visited Kaaba if it was built by their father Abraham for worship of God? Is Israel where they lived not part of mankind? Since they didn't visit Kaaba, it further confirms Abraham and Ishmael were never in Mecca to build Kaaba. It is satanic deception to make man worship pagan idol as the true God.

You want ISLAMIC sources proving that other prophets went for hajj? Would you then accept it? Ok then, here you are...

Praise be to Allah.
The scholars differed concerning this matter. It was said that all the Prophets (peace be upon them) performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, from Adam to Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).

Abu’l-Ma‘aali al-Juwayni (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Nihaayat al-Matlab (4/125):

it was said that the first one who performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah was Adam (peace be upon him), and it was said that there is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to this House. End quote.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Fiqhiyyah (2/120):

There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah. This is contrary to the view of those who made an exception in the case of Hood and Saalih. End quote.

Ibn ‘Allaan (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Ibn Ishaaq said: Allah did not send any Prophet after Ibraaheem but he performed Hajj. Others stated that there was no Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

End quote from Daleel al-Faaliheen (7/17)

It was narrated from Ibn Abi Labeed that Muhammad ibn Ka‘b – or someone else – said:

Adam performed Hajj and the angels met him and said: May Allah accept your Hajj rituals, O Adam.

Al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that all of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah except Saalih and Hood (peace be upon them both)

Ibn Ishaaq said in as-Seerah (p. 95):

A trustworthy man from among the people of Madinah narrated to me that ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr said: There is Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, apart from Hood and Saalih. Nooh performed Hajj. When the earth was flooded, the same happened to the Ka‘bah as happened to the rest of the earth, and the Ka‘bah was on top of a reddish hill. Then Allah sent Hood, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, until Allah took his soul in death, and he did not perform Hajj until he died. Then Allah sent Saalih, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, so he did not perform Hajj until he died. When Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, instructed Ibraaheem to call mankind for Hajj, then (after that) there was never any Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

A shorter version was also narrated by al-Bayhaqi (5/288) from ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr, who said: There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, except Hood and Saalih.

Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: We have previously mentioned their Hajj. What is meant is Hajj to that place, even if there was no structure there. And Allah knows best.

End quote from al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that seventy-five of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

It was narrated that Mujaahid said: Seventy-five of the Prophets all circumambulated the House.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah (1/45)

· It was said that every Prophet after Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), the Close Friend (Khaleel) of Allah, performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

Al-Azraqi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Akhbaar Makkah (1/43):

He mentioned the Hajj of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), his proclamation of the Hajj, the Hajj of Prophets after him, and his circumambulation (tawaaf) and that of the Prophets after him.

Then he narrated that Ibn Ishaaq said: Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) used to perform Hajj every year on al-Buraaq. He said: And after that the Prophets and the nations performed Hajj.

The best of these reports in terms of isnaad is that which says that seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah.

At-Tabaraani narrated in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabeer (12283) from Ibn ‘Abbaas who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets prayed in Masjid al-Khayf, including Moosa. It is as if I can see him, wearing two qatwaani garments, in ihram, riding one of the camels of Shanu’ah with a bridle of twisted palm fibre”

Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Targheeb (1127)

It was narrated that Abu Moosa (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets passed by ar-Rawha’, including the Prophet of Allah Moosa (peace be upon him), barefoot and wearing abayahs, heading towards the Ancient House of Allah.”

Al-Mundhiri (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was narrated by Abu Ya‘la and at-Tabaraani, and there is nothing wrong with its isnaad. It was also narrated by Abu Ya‘la from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik.

End quote from at-Targheeb wa’t-Tarheeb (2/118)

Muhammad ibn Ishaaq said: Someone whom I trust narrated to me from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Seventy Prophets travelled the valley of ar-Rawha’ as pilgrims.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah by al-Azraqi (1/49)

Ahmad narrated in az-Zuhd (p. 34) from Mujaahid who said: Seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, including Moosa ibn ‘Imraan (peace be upon him).

The fact that the sound reports mention this number does not rule out the possibility that others also performed Hajj. All that may be said is that there is no marfoo‘, saheeh hadeeth that speaks of any others, as far as we know. So we stick to what is mentioned in the saheeh Sunnah, and with regard to anything other than that, we neither affirm it nor deny it. There is no great benefit in knowing about that. What the Muslim should do, if he has performed Hajj, is praise Allah, and if he has not performed Hajj then he should try hard to do so, and ask Allah to make it easy for him.

Secondly:

It is proven that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will come down at the end of time, and that he will enter ihram for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both.

Muslim (1252) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will certainly enter ihraam in the valley of al-Rawha’, as a pilgrim performing Hajj or ‘Umrah, or both.”

It was also narrated by Ibn Hibbaan (6820) under the heading, “Reports which state that ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Hajj to the Ancient House after he kills the Dajjaal.”

“Enter ihram” means that he will recite the Talbiyah for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both together.

“The valley of ar-Rawha’” is a place between Makkah and Madinah.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This will happen after ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) comes down from heaven at the end of time. End quote.

For more information, please see the answer to question no. 22466

And Allah knows best.

It's called 'cultural appropriation'.

Better known as theft by way of lies.

Abuamam

You know how much I hate silly questions. Please take them back.

I laugh at your hypocrisy!

Because the quran does not tell you everything you need to know about islam as a result of which you cannot answer the question, you stylishly want to dodge. I tell you the truth, if allahh has made muslims to know many important things, nobody will be a muslim today.

I deliberately asked the question because the quran has no answer to it.

The scholars differed concerning this matter. It was said that all the Prophets (peace be upon them) performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, from Adam to Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).

Could you not see how silly your claim up there is? The other time you said Hajar was running on hill looking for water because there was nothing on ground when they got to Mecca. Now you are saying Adam visited Kaaba that was non-existent at that time. Cover your face in shame!

Anyway, muslims need to tell lies to sustain islam. Shame!

Abu’l-Ma‘aali al-Juwayni (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Nihaayat al-Matlab (4/125):

it was said that the first one who performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah was Adam (peace be upon him), and it was said that there is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to this House. End quote.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Fiqhiyyah (2/120):

There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah. This is contrary to the view of those who made an exception in the case of Hood and Saalih. End quote.

Ibn ‘Allaan (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Ibn Ishaaq said: Allah did not send any Prophet after Ibraaheem but he performed Hajj. Others stated that there was no Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

End quote from Daleel al-Faaliheen (7/17)

It was narrated from Ibn Abi Labeed that Muhammad ibn Ka‘b – or someone else – said:

Adam performed Hajj and the angels met him and said: May Allah accept your Hajj rituals, O Adam.

Al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that all of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah except Saalih and Hood (peace be upon them both)

Ibn Ishaaq said in as-Seerah (p. 95):

A trustworthy man from among the people of Madinah narrated to me that ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr said: There is Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, apart from Hood and Saalih. Nooh performed Hajj. When the earth was flooded, the same happened to the Ka‘bah as happened to the rest of the earth, and the Ka‘bah was on top of a reddish hill. Then Allah sent Hood, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, until Allah took his soul in death, and he did not perform Hajj until he died. Then Allah sent Saalih, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, so he did not perform Hajj until he died. When Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, instructed Ibraaheem to call mankind for Hajj, then (after that) there was never any Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

A shorter version was also narrated by al-Bayhaqi (5/288) from ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr, who said: There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, except Hood and Saalih.

Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: We have previously mentioned their Hajj. What is meant is Hajj to that place, even if there was no structure there. And Allah knows best.

End quote from al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that seventy-five of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

It was narrated that Mujaahid said: Seventy-five of the Prophets all circumambulated the House.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah (1/45)

· It was said that every Prophet after Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), the Close Friend (Khaleel) of Allah, performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

Al-Azraqi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Akhbaar Makkah (1/43):

He mentioned the Hajj of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), his proclamation of the Hajj, the Hajj of Prophets after him, and his circumambulation (tawaaf) and that of the Prophets after him.

Then he narrated that Ibn Ishaaq said: Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) used to perform Hajj every year on al-Buraaq. He said: And after that the Prophets and the nations performed Hajj.

The best of these reports in terms of isnaad is that which says that seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah.

At-Tabaraani narrated in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabeer (12283) from Ibn ‘Abbaas who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets prayed in Masjid al-Khayf, including Moosa. It is as if I can see him, wearing two qatwaani garments, in ihram, riding one of the camels of Shanu’ah with a bridle of twisted palm fibre”

Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Targheeb (1127)

It was narrated that Abu Moosa (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets passed by ar-Rawha’, including the Prophet of Allah Moosa (peace be upon him), barefoot and wearing abayahs, heading towards the Ancient House of Allah.”

Al-Mundhiri (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was narrated by Abu Ya‘la and at-Tabaraani, and there is nothing wrong with its isnaad. It was also narrated by Abu Ya‘la from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik.

End quote from at-Targheeb wa’t-Tarheeb (2/118)

Muhammad ibn Ishaaq said: Someone whom I trust narrated to me from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Seventy Prophets travelled the valley of ar-Rawha’ as pilgrims.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah by al-Azraqi (1/49)

Ahmad narrated in az-Zuhd (p. 34) from Mujaahid who said: Seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, including Moosa ibn ‘Imraan (peace be upon him).

The fact that the sound reports mention this number does not rule out the possibility that others also performed Hajj. All that may be said is that there is no marfoo‘, saheeh hadeeth that speaks of any others, as far as we know. So we stick to what is mentioned in the saheeh Sunnah, and with regard to anything other than that, we neither affirm it nor deny it. There is no great benefit in knowing about that. What the Muslim should do, if he has performed Hajj, is praise Allah, and if he has not performed Hajj then he should try hard to do so, and ask Allah to make it easy for him.

All these are LIES concocted by individuals. It is not verifiable! Stop deceiving yourself.

Secondly:

It is proven that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will come down at the end of time, and that he will enter ihram for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both.

Muslim (1252) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will certainly enter ihraam in the valley of al-Rawha’, as a pilgrim performing Hajj or ‘Umrah, or both.”

Muhammad never said Jesus visited Hajj. This further confirms he never was there before.

Besides, where did allah tell Muhammad that Jesus is coming back? He must have heard that from the Jews and Christians, then he added the nonsense.

It was also narrated by Ibn Hibbaan (6820) under the heading, “Reports which state that ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Hajj to the Ancient House after he kills the Dajjaal.”

“Enter ihram” means that he will recite the Talbiyah for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both together.

“The valley of ar-Rawha’” is a place between Makkah and Madinah.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This will happen after ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) comes down from heaven at the end of time. End quote.

For more information, please see the answer to question no. 22466

And Allah knows best.

Who gave the man the idea of what he wrote? Where is the reference for verification?

Allah always knows the best because you are always not sure of what you are saying.

No verifiable evidence that the earlier prophets visited Kaaba apart from the lies told by individuals to cover the falsehood of islam.

truthman2012:


I laugh at your hypocrisy!

Because the quran does not tell you everything you need to know about islam as a result of which you cannot answer the question, you stylishly want to dodge. I tell you the truth, if allahh has made muslims to know many important things, nobody will be a muslim today.

I deliberately asked the question because the quran has no answer to it.

The Quran is the backbone, but not the Only source of Islamic laws and narratives. The hadith were also inspired words of the Prophet (saw), sent to better explain to us the proper interpretation of the Quran.

truthman2012:

Could you not see how silly your claim up there is? The other time you said Hajar was running on hill looking for water because there was nothing on ground when they got to Mecca. Now you are saying Adam visited Kaaba that was non-existent at that time. Cover your face in shame!

Anyway, muslims need to tell lies to sustain islam. Shame!

I only respond to this because I am in a good mood.

Adam laid the foundation for the Kaaba during his lifetime. Subsequent prophets performed the pilgrimage. Narrations have it that the Kaaba was washed away during the flood that destroyed Noah's tribe. Ibrahim and Ismail were shown the spot and rebuilt it. All subsequent prophets performed the hajj, except for Isa (Jesus); who will perform hajj when he returns to lead Muslims against the antichrist and his minions; after he kills him (the antichrist).

truthman2012:

All these are LIES concocted by individuals. It is not verifiable! Stop deceiving yourself.



Muhammad never said Jesus visited Hajj. This further confirms he never was there before.

Besides, where did allah tell Muhammad that Jesus is coming back? He must have heard that from the Jews and Christians, then he added the nonsense.



Who gave the man the idea of what he wrote? Where is the reference for verification?

Allah always knows the best because you are always not sure of what you are saying.

No verifiable evidence that the earlier prophets visited Kaaba apart from the lies told by individuals to cover the falsehood of islam.

You did not see all the references? All the hadith had references attached. Buy glasses o. You are getting old.

Abuamam:


The Quran is the backbone, but not the Only source of Islamic laws and narratives. The hadith were also inspired words of the Prophet (saw), sent to better explain to us the proper interpretation of the Quran.




I only respond to this because I am in a good mood.

Adam laid the foundation for the Kaaba during his lifetime. Subsequent prophets performed the pilgrimage. Narrations have it that the Kaaba was washed away during the flood that destroyed Noah's tribe. Ibrahim and Ismail were shown the spot and rebuilt it. All subsequent prophets performed the hajj, except for Isa (Jesus); who will perform hajj when he returns to lead Muslims against the antichrist and his minions; after he kills him (the antichrist).



You did not see all the references? All the hadith had references attached. Buy glasses o. You are getting old.

I said veriable evidence. Anybody cannot just say anything. It means even you can write any book for the muslims to follow.

Where did allahh say anything about Jesus second coming that Muhammad was interpreting for you.

Where did Adam live that he laid the foundation of Kaaba in Mecca where nothing was existing?

Some times you would say allahh threw blackstone to Abraham for the location of kaaba, did he throw black stone to Adam too to lay the foundation?

Abuamam:


You know how much I hate silly questions. Please take them back.



You want ISLAMIC sources proving that other prophets went for hajj? Would you then accept it? Ok then, here you are...

Praise be to Allah.
The scholars differed concerning this matter. It was said that all the Prophets (peace be upon them) performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, from Adam to Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him).

Abu’l-Ma‘aali al-Juwayni (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Nihaayat al-Matlab (4/125):

it was said that the first one who performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah was Adam (peace be upon him), and it was said that there is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to this House. End quote.

Ibn Hajar al-Haythami (may Allah have mercy on him) said in al-Fataawa al-Fiqhiyyah (2/120):

There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah. This is contrary to the view of those who made an exception in the case of Hood and Saalih. End quote.

Ibn ‘Allaan (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

Ibn Ishaaq said: Allah did not send any Prophet after Ibraaheem but he performed Hajj. Others stated that there was no Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

End quote from Daleel al-Faaliheen (7/17)

It was narrated from Ibn Abi Labeed that Muhammad ibn Ka‘b – or someone else – said:

Adam performed Hajj and the angels met him and said: May Allah accept your Hajj rituals, O Adam.

Al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that all of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah except Saalih and Hood (peace be upon them both)

Ibn Ishaaq said in as-Seerah (p. 95):

A trustworthy man from among the people of Madinah narrated to me that ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr said: There is Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, apart from Hood and Saalih. Nooh performed Hajj. When the earth was flooded, the same happened to the Ka‘bah as happened to the rest of the earth, and the Ka‘bah was on top of a reddish hill. Then Allah sent Hood, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, until Allah took his soul in death, and he did not perform Hajj until he died. Then Allah sent Saalih, but he was distracted by the affairs of his people, so he did not perform Hajj until he died. When Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, instructed Ibraaheem to call mankind for Hajj, then (after that) there was never any Prophet who did not perform Hajj.

A shorter version was also narrated by al-Bayhaqi (5/288) from ‘Urwah ibn az-Zubayr, who said: There is no Prophet who did not perform Hajj to the Ka‘bah, except Hood and Saalih.

Ibn Katheer (may Allah have mercy on him) said: We have previously mentioned their Hajj. What is meant is Hajj to that place, even if there was no structure there. And Allah knows best.

End quote from al-Bidaayah wa’n-Nihaayah (2/299)

· It was also said that seventy-five of the Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

It was narrated that Mujaahid said: Seventy-five of the Prophets all circumambulated the House.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah (1/45)

· It was said that every Prophet after Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), the Close Friend (Khaleel) of Allah, performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah

Al-Azraqi (may Allah have mercy on him) said in Akhbaar Makkah (1/43):

He mentioned the Hajj of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), his proclamation of the Hajj, the Hajj of Prophets after him, and his circumambulation (tawaaf) and that of the Prophets after him.

Then he narrated that Ibn Ishaaq said: Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) used to perform Hajj every year on al-Buraaq. He said: And after that the Prophets and the nations performed Hajj.

The best of these reports in terms of isnaad is that which says that seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah.

At-Tabaraani narrated in al-Mu‘jam al-Kabeer (12283) from Ibn ‘Abbaas who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets prayed in Masjid al-Khayf, including Moosa. It is as if I can see him, wearing two qatwaani garments, in ihram, riding one of the camels of Shanu’ah with a bridle of twisted palm fibre”

Classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh at-Targheeb (1127)

It was narrated that Abu Moosa (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Seventy Prophets passed by ar-Rawha’, including the Prophet of Allah Moosa (peace be upon him), barefoot and wearing abayahs, heading towards the Ancient House of Allah.”

Al-Mundhiri (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

It was narrated by Abu Ya‘la and at-Tabaraani, and there is nothing wrong with its isnaad. It was also narrated by Abu Ya‘la from the hadeeth of Anas ibn Maalik.

End quote from at-Targheeb wa’t-Tarheeb (2/118)

Muhammad ibn Ishaaq said: Someone whom I trust narrated to me from ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said: Seventy Prophets travelled the valley of ar-Rawha’ as pilgrims.

End quote from Akhbaar Makkah by al-Azraqi (1/49)

Ahmad narrated in az-Zuhd (p. 34) from Mujaahid who said: Seventy Prophets performed Hajj to the Ka‘bah, including Moosa ibn ‘Imraan (peace be upon him).

The fact that the sound reports mention this number does not rule out the possibility that others also performed Hajj. All that may be said is that there is no marfoo‘, saheeh hadeeth that speaks of any others, as far as we know. So we stick to what is mentioned in the saheeh Sunnah, and with regard to anything other than that, we neither affirm it nor deny it. There is no great benefit in knowing about that. What the Muslim should do, if he has performed Hajj, is praise Allah, and if he has not performed Hajj then he should try hard to do so, and ask Allah to make it easy for him.

Secondly:

It is proven that ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) will come down at the end of time, and that he will enter ihram for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both.

Muslim (1252) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the son of Maryam will certainly enter ihraam in the valley of al-Rawha’, as a pilgrim performing Hajj or ‘Umrah, or both.”

It was also narrated by Ibn Hibbaan (6820) under the heading, “Reports which state that ‘Eesa ibn Maryam will perform Hajj to the Ancient House after he kills the Dajjaal.”

“Enter ihram” means that he will recite the Talbiyah for Hajj or ‘Umrah or both together.

“The valley of ar-Rawha’” is a place between Makkah and Madinah.

An-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

This will happen after ‘Eesa (peace be upon him) comes down from heaven at the end of time. End quote.

For more information, please see the answer to question no. 22466

And Allah knows best.

allahh lies best.

truthman2012:




I said veriable evidence. Anybody cannot just say anything. It means even you can write any book for the muslims to follow.

Where did allahh say anything about Jesus second coming that Muhammad was interpreting for you.

Where did Adam live that he laid the foundation of Kaaba in Mecca where nothing was existing?

Some times you would say allahh threw blackstone to Abraham for the location of kaaba, did he throw black stone to Adam too to lay the foundation?

You said you want Muslim sources for other prophets performing hajj. I gave you authentic hadith; which are definitely sources 9f Islamic belief; with verifiable references appended.

Then you were talking about Jesus' second coming. There are many authentic hadith concerning that too, only giving you authentic hadith with verifiable references is not going to stop you from asking for more.

Then you shift ground and ask where did 'Adam live'. I do not know the house address. Many hadith have been narrated that show that he indeed brought the black stone (originally white), with him when evicted from paradise; which he then put into the Kaaba; presumably as a reminder of the paradise that he lost due to disobedience; and as a sign of hope of the possibility of regaining his exalted position throuh repentance and submitting to the will of his Creator. The black stone was still there when Ibrahim came to rebuild the Kaaba with his son Ismail. I never have said that God threw the black stone to Ibrahim to build the Kaaba. You tend to 'remember' imaginary conversations sometimes.

Abuamam can't u for once remove ur Islamic lenses and think "unislamically".

Abuamam:
Ibrahim and Isma'eel were not Arabs and were not sent specifically to the Arabs,

really, what were they. Americans ?.

though some must have; ultimately; heard their message and become Muslims.

More nonsense from you. There was nothing like Islam until the 7th century. Even mohammed says he is the frist muslim.

The kaaba was not built specifically for the Arabs. It was built for ALL of mankind. Arab and non-Arab came to perform the pilgrimage...

Nope. The kaaba was built by the Arab pagans to worship the 360 Arab gods amongst which was the Islamic allah u now worship. Mohammed staged a coup for his tribes pagan god and then destroyed the other 359.

"Indeed the first House of worship appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; such as the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability. And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House:

Says who. Oh right , the fraud mohammed. Mohammed who also says u should beat women, drink camel piss, flog people, chop off hands, rape captives, trade slaves etc.

‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves in prayer.’ And proclaim the Hajj among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26-27)

I wonder why your god is so interested in people Travelling a great distance to move round an empty pagan stone covered in black at least once in their lives.

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and a sanctuary, saying: Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood to pray. (Quran 2:126)

How can the kaaba be a sanctuary. Do u know how much blood has been shed there.

Dude u really need to start thinking objectively don't regurgitate what ur imam tells u.

Abuamam

You said you want Muslim sources for other prophets performing hajj. I gave you authentic hadith; which are definitely sources 9f Islamic belief; with verifiable references appended.

Which is authentic hadith? The words of Muhammad or the words of Ibn Hibbaa. If Muhammad was inspired to speak because he was the 'prophet' of allahh, who inspired Ibn Hibbaa? How are his words authentic?

Even Muhammad never said Jesus visited Kaaba, he said he will visit it when he comes back again. Why didn't he visit it the first time he came?

What about Moses and others? Where is it recorded that they went to Kaaba for hajj?

As far as reasonable people are concerned, you have not given any islamic source proving bible prophets performed hajj in Kaaba, other than people who formulated lies, which you called authentic hadith. Any imam or alfa could just write anything and because it favours islam, you call it authentic but if it does not favour islam, you call it fabrication. Who is deceiving who?

Then you shift ground and ask where did 'Adam live'. I do not know the house address. Many hadith have been narrated that show that he indeed brought the black stone (originally white), with him when evicted from paradise; which he then put into the Kaaba; presumably as a reminder of the paradise that he lost due to disobedience; and as a sign of hope of the possibility of regaining his exalted position throuh repentance and submitting to the will of his Creator. The black stone was still there when Ibrahim came to rebuild the Kaaba with his son Ismail. I never have said that God threw the black stone to Ibrahim to build the Kaaba. You tend to 'remember' imaginary conversations sometimes.

Was the Garden of Eden where Adam lived Mecca? How did he get to Mecca to lay the foundation of Kaaba?

You muslim guys say the blackstone was thrown to Abraham for the exact location of Kaaba, did he also throw another blackstone to Adam to lay the foundations long before Abraham came? How many blackstones do you have?

Now you are trying to change the story that Abraham met the balckstone inside Kaaba and not that it was thrown to him again. You must always tell lies to sustain islam. That is exactly what allahh did in the quran, saying something today and abrogating it tomorrow.

Were Abraham and Ishmael in Mecca to build Kaaba? From the quran, tell me why they got to Mecca.

So many questions you have skipped or dodged because islam does not have answers to them.

Did Adam lose paradise because of disobedience? Islam says he was forgiven of his disobedience and that is the reason children didn't inherit his sin.

truthman2012:
Abuamam



Which is authentic hadith? The words of Muhammad or the words of Ibn Hibbaa. If Muhammad was inspired to speak because he was the 'prophet' of allahh, who inspired Ibn Hibbaa? How are his words authentic?

Even Muhammad never said Jesus visited Kaaba, he said he will visit it when he comes back again. Why didn't he visit it the first time he came?

What about Moses and others? Where is it recorded that they went to Kaaba for hajj?

As far as reasonable people are concerned, you have not given any islamic source proving bible prophets performed hajj in Kaaba, other than people who formulated lies, which you called authentic hadith. Any imam or alfa could just write anything and because it favours islam, you call it authentic but if it does not favour islam, you call it fabrication. Who is deceiving who?

You did not see all the hadith? You did not read it through. Stop being mentally lazy. Where the narrator says: "the messenger of Allah said..."; it is a hadith.

truthman2012:

Was the Garden of Eden where Adam lived Mecca? How did he get to Mecca to lay the foundation of Kaaba?

Maybe by private jet. Do you see what I mean by silly question? Basically, you just ask any dumb question, just to keep an argument going.

truthman2012:

You muslim guys say the blackstone was thrown to Abraham for the exact location of Kaaba, did he also throw another blackstone to Adam to lay the foundations long before Abraham came? How many blackstones do you have?

Now you are trying to change the story that Abraham met the balckstone inside Kaaba and not that it was thrown to him again. You must always tell lies to sustain islam. That is exactly what allahh did in the quran, saying something today and abrogating it tomorrow.

I don't know where you got this story I am sure.

truthman2012:

Were Abraham and Ishmael in Mecca to build Kaaba? From the quran, tell me why they got to Mecca.

So many questions you have skipped or dodged because islam does not have answers to them.

I should tell you WHY they got to Mecca? What kind of question is that? It is not an issue of dodging questions. You just dont ask pertinent questions. You are justfishing for a flaw somewhere, so you keep asking about all sorts of unrelated topics that are banal and confused. I do not like responding to clueless posts.

truthman2012:

Did Adam lose paradise because of disobedience? Islam says he was forgiven of his disobedience and that is the reason children didn't inherit his sin.

Yes he and his wife lost their position in paradise because they disobeyed Allah. When they were brought to earth, they repented at Arafah (where Muslims go to plead for God's forgiveness during Hajj), and God forgave them, and promised them and their progeny their place in paradise, if they lived in accordance with His Will.

Abuamam:


You did not see all the hadith? You did not read it through. Stop being mentally lazy. Where the narrator says: "the messenger of Allah said..."; it is a hadith.




Maybe by private jet. Do you see what I mean by silly question? Basically, you just ask any dumb question, just to keep an argument going.



I don't know where you got this story I am sure.



I should tell you WHY they got to Mecca? What kind of question is that? It is not an issue of dodging questions. You just dont ask pertinent questions. You are justfishing for a flaw somewhere, so you keep asking about all sorts of unrelated topics that are banal and confused. I do not like responding to clueless posts.




Yes he and his wife lost their position in paradise because they disobeyed Allah. When they were brought to earth, they repented at Arafah (where Muslims go to plead for God's forgiveness during Hajj), and God forgave them, and promised them and their progeny their place in paradise, if they lived in accordance with His Will.

Total trash!

Every question is silly to you because you cannot answer them.

truthman2012:





If islam had not existed there, who built Kaaba other than Meccan pagans?

Do you understand this time?

I always laugh when I see ignorance playing out on you despite your claim of high understanding.
Did your bible not tell you that ishmael and her mother were exiled into the wilderness?

Let me educate you again when ishmael and mother got there the only people they saw were traders who made stop over at the place then just because of the water provided for ishmeal and his mother by God for them to survive in that harsh enviroment.it was at later times people started settling there based on agreement with the settlers.


'' Ismail (a.s) and his mother continued to live at this place all by themselves for some time. One day some people of the Jurhum tribe were passing through the valley. They didn’t intend to stop, because they knew that there had never been any water in that valley. But they saw a kind of bird which was known to frequent wet spots, so they followed it to the spring of Zam-zam. There they found Ismail’s (a.s) mother sitting by the water.

Ismail’s mother agreed they could settle there for a while, as long as they did not claim possession to the water. Some of the people of the tribe settled by the water permanently and Ismail grew up amongst them"
Abrahams prayer when he was leaving them in the wilderness

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.'

In brief abraham established the house, to be a place where people will visit at later times as a fulfilment of God prophecy about the Holy House of God and also for ismeal and his mother to be the custodians.Abraham worship there anytime he comes around on visitation.
The idolators later used the holy house of God after the demise of Ishmeal and his mother for their idolatory acts common to them.But Gods plan was to restore the house to the believers for his true worship through Muhammed.
And that is why muhammed had to demolish all the idols in the Temple of God(Kaaba)so that the believer can worship the one true God bringing Gods prophecy to fulfilment.

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

eshbeewanna:


I always laugh when I see ignorance playing out on you despite your claim of high understanding.
Did your bible not tell you that ishmael and her mother were exiled into the wilderness?

Let me educate you again when ishmael and mother got there the only people they saw were traders who made stop over at the place then just because of the water provided for ishmeal and his mother by God for them to survive in that harsh enviroment.it was at later times people started settling there based on agreement with the settlers.


'' Ismail (a.s) and his mother continued to live at this place all by themselves for some time. One day some people of the Jurhum tribe were passing through the valley. They didn’t intend to stop, because they knew that there had never been any water in that valley. But they saw a kind of bird which was known to frequent wet spots, so they followed it to the spring of Zam-zam. There they found Ismail’s (a.s) mother sitting by the water.

Ismail’s mother agreed they could settle there for a while, as long as they did not claim possession to the water. Some of the people of the tribe settled by the water permanently and Ismail grew up amongst them"
Abrahams prayer when he was leaving them in the wilderness

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.'

In brief abraham established the house, to be a place where people will visit at later times as a fulfilment of God prophecy about the Holy House of God and also for ismeal and his mother to be the custodians.Abraham worship there anytime he comes around on visitation.
The idolators later used the holy house of God after the demise of Ishmeal and his mother for their idolatory acts common to them.But Gods plan was to restore the house to the believers for his true worship through Muhammed.
And that is why muhammed had to demolish all the idols in the Temple of God(Kaaba)so that the believer can worship the one true God bringing Gods prophecy to fulfilment.

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.  (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

Were people stopping over when Hagai said nobody could be seen? Different muslims formulate different stories. That is islam for you. Discover your lies here:

https://www.nairaland.com/2279859/true-story-abrahams-journey-mecca

eshbeewanna:


I always laugh when I see ignorance playing out on you despite your claim of high understanding.
Did your bible not tell you that ishmael and her mother were exiled into the wilderness?

Let me educate you again when ishmael and mother got there the only people they saw were traders who made stop over at the place then just because of the water provided for ishmeal and his mother by God for them to survive in that harsh enviroment.it was at later times people started settling there based on agreement with the settlers.


'' Ismail (a.s) and his mother continued to live at this place all by themselves for some time. One day some people of the Jurhum tribe were passing through the valley. They didn’t intend to stop, because they knew that there had never been any water in that valley. But they saw a kind of bird which was known to frequent wet spots, so they followed it to the spring of Zam-zam. There they found Ismail’s (a.s) mother sitting by the water.

Ismail’s mother agreed they could settle there for a while, as long as they did not claim possession to the water. Some of the people of the tribe settled by the water permanently and Ismail grew up amongst them"
Abrahams prayer when he was leaving them in the wilderness

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.'

In brief abraham established the house, to be a place where people will visit at later times as a fulfilment of God prophecy about the Holy House of God and also for ismeal and his mother to be the custodians.Abraham worship there anytime he comes around on visitation.
The idolators later used the holy house of God after the demise of Ishmeal and his mother for their idolatory acts common to them.But Gods plan was to restore the house to the believers for his true worship through Muhammed.
And that is why muhammed had to demolish all the idols in the Temple of God(Kaaba)so that the believer can worship the one true God bringing Gods prophecy to fulfilment.

"I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)"

I thought muslims say the Bible is corrupt, why are you then using it as a reference to proove islamic lies?

true2god:
I thought muslims say the Bible is corrupt, why are you then using it as a reference to proove islamic lies?

Your bible contains word of God,prophets and also word of men.That's why it is corrupt.
Please I ask you can an adultrated product be called original?
Common logic is missing in you!