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Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 5:46pm On Jun 01, 2015 |
hopelink1: You are a man, am a lady ; who does the expression "mad MAN" fits ? 3 Likes |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jun 01, 2015 |
English MizJanet: |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 1:01am On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: There is nothing in these verses about those to go to hell. It looks to me from scriptures that names can be written into and erased from the book of life, so it must have something to do with the individual, whether he wants to be saved or not. Some though are apparently chosen to be saved: Eph 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 2Ti 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, Tit 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 1:17am On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: You are not interisted in Truth and you don't understand Truth MizJanet: And I don't play games with God's way, as with you it's all a game, I may continue to show up some of your unscriptual nonsense though. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 1:41am On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: Truth isn't hypocrisy, but I'm not surprised you don't know yourself. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnydon22(m): 6:58am On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: You know i didn't ask for this long boring quotes, my question was simple i dont know where the long post came from... @bolded, So you mean god doesn't quite know who will go and who will not before creating them why do you people have a knack for contradicting yourselves? Here is your post that i quoted. johnw74:Now you change your stance and assert the opposite... Which one is it: Does he know the people that will be saved millions of years before creating them or not 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 8:22am On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: No one is saying there are no symbols in scriptures. The scripture is full of symbolic texts, just as it is full of literal texts. Scriptures are interpreted in 4 basic styles. 1. Literal texts 2. Symbolic texts 3. Contextual texts 4. Prophetic texts These are the four hermeneutics of scriptures (styles of interpreting scriptural texts) So while there are indeed symbolic texts in scripture; what I'm saying is that not all texts are symbolic. And one of such texts is the story of "The rich man and Lazarus". The story is not symbolic. It is either a true life story or a true-to-life story. A historical fact of life or practical fact of life -but a fact of life nonetheless. Meaning that, parable or not; the story clearly proves that souls depart to hades or heaven after death, and they remain animate and conscious there. You desperately wanted to play the "symbolic" card with this story, so you can claim that souls talking and being conscious after death as in the story is symbolic not literal. But it is not symbolic, it is a factual description by Christ of what happens in hades after death. Death is not the cessation of existence. If souls cease to exist after death, how was the witch of Endor able to conjur up the spirit of Samuel the prophet after he had died? (1Samuel 28v15) And if souls know nothing after death, how was Samuel able to know that Saul and his son would die the next day? (1Samuel 28v19) It means the verses you quoted of the dead knowing nothing should be interpreted contextually; in the context of the human body. It is the human body that decays and returns to dust; and knows nothing anymore after death. The human souls stays active, animate and conscious in hades or heaven after death. Stop giving every text symbolic interpretation. Shalom |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by CANTICLES: 10:52am On Jun 02, 2015 |
... Where is CAPTIVATOR ? Pls come to this thread . Let me just observe |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 11:23am On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: Wow such a long post, I wouldn't be surprised if you never asked me anything again. So you mean No I don't why do you people have a knack for contradicting yourselves? Here is your post that i quoted. surely you mistaken and assert the opposite... no i didn't do that Which one is it: Does he know the people that will be saved millions of years before creating them or not There is nothing He does not know be sure to ask me anything more you want to know, you come back now you hear. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnydon22(m): 11:34am On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74:So he already knows the people that will go to hell before creating them right? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 11:42am On Jun 02, 2015 |
ayoku777: Ayoku777 let me destroy your cries on this parable once and for all time . 1) did Jesus say its the richman and lazarus soul that went there or you infer it yourself THE BOMB: You said body dont go to hades , how come the richman has eyes and tongue ? Do soul has tongue ![]() Religious cluelessness
Everyone knows it forgery, even people do it nowadays . Or your god operate thru witches too ? So all this herbalists are godsent ? Lie , so the first statement "living know that they will die" living is just human body ?
" you are dust and to dust you shall return" , who is the YOU ? ![]() 3 Likes |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 12:05pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
CANTICLES: Lets hear from you too, seems all the godless are here |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 12:08pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: pity you can't ask Him, right? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by CAPTIVATOR: 12:09pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
ayoku777: If death is not the cessation of existence , it means humans will continue to exist , an automatic everlasting life, WHY WOULD JESUS CLAIM TO GIVE MAKIND EVERLASTING LIFE THRU HIS DEATH IF ITS SOMETHING ALREADY A PART OF US ? Joh 3:16
I wonder where you and your witch controlled samuel got his messages from , scripture says the TRUE GOD IS NOT SPEAKIN TO SAUL ANYMORE. FALSE PREDICTION: If he is sent from God, Why would he say philistines will kill saul , whereas saul commits suicide ?
Nobody exist before his birth, and death is a CURSE that return all the living to non existence . " to dust you shall RETURN" Gen 3:19 |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnydon22(m): 12:12pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: Hahahahahaha is that a dodging method? . . . ![]() He knows people who will go to hell before creating them right? ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by CANTICLES: 12:25pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: Arent you also here ? The op might be an atheist or agnostic , that doesnt mean everyone participating on the thread are athiests. Meanwhile , she made a very good point from her observation @ matt 10:28 |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 12:27pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: No I'm not going to tell you, don't like blasphemers. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnydon22(m): 12:32pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: Hahahahaha another method of accepting you don't know? You have being here quoting bible verses, Just one question and you are on your heels. What you call blasphemy, i call skepticism ![]() He knows people who will go to hell before creating them Yes or No?? 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 12:45pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnydon22: Ok, you dont know or just answer.. |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 12:47pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: Please show me a scripture that says only bodies have those parts; or that souls and spirits don't have hands and eyes and tongues like our bodies. Is God not a spirit? Does God not have eyes and hands, and mouth? Are angels not spirits? Do angels not have eyes, hands, mouth etc? Please show me a scripture that portends that only our bodies have those parts and not our spirits and souls. Then you would have made sense. For now I've not seen any bomb. It is the souls of the rich man and Lazarus that was in sheol. MizJanet: Listen or read; before Jesus Christ came and took the keys of death and hell; the devil had the power of death and power over sheol. Rev 1v18 -I am He that liveth, and was dead; and, behold am alive for evermore, Amen: and have they keys of hades and of death. Hebrews 2v14 -...that through death He (Jesus) might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; The devil had the powers of death and over sheol; and even though he could not raise the dead; he could conjur up the spirits of the dead. Obviously now he does not have the power of death anymore; that's why the verse said "had the power of death". Jesus now has the keys of death and hell. So clearly, any medium saying now that he can conjur up the spirit of dead loved ones is actually conjuring evil or familiar spirits pretending to be those dead loved ones. But it was truly possible before, when the devil still had the power of death and power over sheol. So that was indeed the spirit of Samuel the prophet. And the scriptures equally confirmed it was Samuel when it said; And Samuel said to Saul, (1Samuel 28v15) It didn't say, "and the spirit said to Saul". If the scripture had said "and the spirit said"; then we can have an argument over whether it meant the spirit of Samuel or a familiar spirit pretending to be Samuel. But the scripture was graciously specific enough to say "and SAMUEL said". This removes all ambiguities and arguments to the fact that that was the spirit of Samuel the prophet. Proving that souls stay alive, conscious and animate after death. It is the body that decays and returns to dusts and knows nothing anymore after death NOT THE SOUL. MizJanet: The living is alive in body, soul and spirit. When they die, the body decays and turns to dust while the soul and spirit descends to hades or ascends to heaven. MizJanet: Jesus Christ also died and was buried. Yet when He was "dead and buried" He was busy preaching to the spirits in prison in sheol. 1Peter 3v18-19 -... being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit: By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; So while Jesus was dead He was busy preaching. How can a dead man be preaching? Which part was dead? Which part was alive preaching? This further establishes that the spirit stays alive, animate and conscious even after the body is dead and buried. Like the spirit of Samuel and like the soul of the rich man and Lazarus in hades. Shalom |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 12:49pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: Oooops , another style of saying i dont know ![]() 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnydon22(m): 12:49pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
johnw74: Hahahahahahaha I like this guy, your dodging style is epic... ![]() You just made my day, it was one hell of a good laugh... Sorry abeg, if i had known i wouldn't have decided to place you under some questions, at least it would have averted this embarrassing show..lolzz. Accept my apology, didnt mean to make you embarrass yourself like this 2 Likes |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 1:20pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
CAPTIVATOR: Go to John 17v3 to see the definition of eternal life. John 17v3 -And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Eternal life is not merely living forever; demons will live forever in the lake of fire. According to Jesus, eternal life is the knowledge of the Father and the Son. The knowledge that makes us one in them. Like when Adam "knew" his wife, Eve. This life was never automatically a part of us, we receive it only after receiving Christ through faith. 1John 5v10 -And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. This life is only in Jesus, and only those in Jesus have it. It is the life of the true knowledge of the Father and the Son, that makes us one in them. Eternal is not just living forever. CAPTIVATOR: It wasn't God speaking to Saul, it was Samuel speaking to Saul. A medium conjured up the spirit of Samuel with the power of the devil. Read the answer I explained to MzJanet on how so. CAPTIVATOR: There was no false prediction. According to the scriptures; it was the philistines that killed Saul. 2Samuel 21v12 -And David went and took the bones of Saul and the bones of Jonathan his son from the men of Jabesh-gilead, which had stolen them from the street of Beth-shan, where the Philistines hand hanged them, when the Philistines had slained Saul in Gilboa: So whether Saul fell on his own sword or not, according to the bible it was the philistines that killed Saul. So according to the bible, what Samuel told Saul happened. There was no false prediction. CAPTIVATOR: Did the Spirit of Jesus also cease to exist, during the three days He was dead and buried? Or it was alive and active? That would answer your question on whether the soul and spirits of the dead cease to exist once the body is dead and buried. Shalom 1 Like |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 1:42pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: johnydon22: Hahaha it was a good laugh, thank you ![]() Sorry abeg, if i had known i wouldn't have decided to place you under some questions, at least it would have averted this embarrassing show..lolzz. No that's quite alright Hahahaha ![]() |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by johnw74: 1:45pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
couldn't be honest if their lives depended on it it does by the way |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 2:03pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
ayoku777 ![]() Anyway , the spirit in man and animals IS NOT GOD , AND NEVER LOOK LIKE GOD " man and the beast have same spirit" ecclesiates 3:19 , so whats that spirit in man and ANimals ? 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 2:21pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
Pls shorten your long epistles He has been faking it, and will continue to fake it , Nowhere did bible say devil has power over sheol , Please and please , that samuel is fake , dont you read the 1st statement preceeding that verse for clarity . " now samuel himself has died" 1samuel 28:3 A dead man knows nothings , thats why a livin dog will always be better than a dead lion. Eclesistes 9:4,5 says bible 1 Like 3 Shares |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 2:46pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
ayoku777Do you still have to be taught greek again? The greek word rendered "quickened" in that verse means " TO MAKE ALIVE" , " TO MAKE THE DEAD COME ALIVE" So Jesus was put to DEATH as flesh, and was make ALIVE as a spirit ! He was in the grave for three days and three nights until he was made alive (matt 12:40) It was after he has been made alive As a spirit that he went to preach to disobedient spirits of the days of that man called noah , those disobedient angels (spirits) - as seen in 2pet 2:4 ![]() |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 3:06pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
the more i chat with them , the more i realize how confuse, clueless and brainwashed they are : Jesus DIE for their sin , whereas Jesus didnt die he was busy preaching all the three days . The real Jesus NEVA die he was busy preaching; JESUS HIMSELF NEVER DIE . Only his Flesh Die |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:18pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: seriously , are we in comedy class? |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by ayoku777(m): 3:55pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
MizJanet: HAHAHAHA OMG!!! Please don't let me embarass myself with laughter where I am in public. So animals too are made in the image of God just like man? And animals and man look alike in spirit, the way we "look alike" in body? Wait! Seriously now; jokes apart *straight face* Before I waste my time any further. Are you a believer in Christ's death and resurrection? And do you hold the bible in authority as the word of God? Because, I'm on NL to edify with the word and be edified by the word. Not to waste my time with gainsayers. The only reason I've indulged your twist and turnings and gainsaying of the scriptures this far; is because I thought you are a born again christian who believes the bible is the word of God, but just doesn't agree with the mainstream christian doctrine of eternal lake of fire and immortality of the human soul. Is that the issue here? Or you don't even believe at all that the bible is the word of God? Because I've learnt from experience that you can't use the bible to establish doctrine and validate truth to someone who doesn't even believe it is the word of God. One will just continue adding comment upon comment, and pages upon pages to a thread without arriving at any conclusion. So, are you a believer in Christ's death and resurrection; and in the bible as the word of God? Because that's what will let me know if this discussion is actually going somewhere, or I'm just wasting my time helping you get your thread to page four or to 200 comments. Shalom |
Re: WHY Religion Is Clueless by MizJanet(f): 5:06pm On Jun 02, 2015 |
ayoku777: @bold , clearly written in ecclesistes 3:19 ' man and beast have the same spirit [rua'ch]' . |
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