Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:55am On Jun 06, 2015 |
dalaman:
The Hymn of Creation Another attempt at explaining the creation of the universe is found in the Hymn of Creation in the Rig Veda: Then was neither non-existence nor existence: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it. Death was not then, nor was there anything immortal: no sign was there, the Day’s and Night’s divider. Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos. All that existed then was void and formless: by the great power of Warmth was born that One. In the Chandogya Upanishad it says that in the beginning was the Brahman, and through heaven, the earth, and the atmosphere and the three seasons of summer, rains, and harvest he produced the entire universe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/environment/hinduismbeliefsrev1.shtml good of you to bring this up, now the next thing you will do to know if the claimed of this gods are true is this; which people did this gods created first and see if it historical accurate. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 10:03am On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: good of you to bring this up, now the next thing you will do to know if the claimed of this gods are true is this; which people did this gods created first and see if it historical accurate. Now that I have shown you I hope you will desist from making your false claims.They created humans according to the creation account, and that is true. Which people did your own God create first and how historically accurate is what was written inside the bible? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 10:04am On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: and I repeat,other's gods also claimed they are the first AMONG the creation BUT none claimed to exist BEFORE the world began. NOTHING MEANS NOTHING Do you need me to point out where it says "before world"? there is the solar system, different planets, the Bible didn't say ur god existed before it. You can see the perfection of the Holy Quran. I HOPE UR DIRECTING TO OTHER gods 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:42am On Jun 06, 2015 |
dalaman:
Now that I have shown you I hope you will desist from making your false claims.They created humans according to the creation account, and that is true. Which people did your own God create first and how historically accurate is what was written inside the bible? I ask you a question and you reply it with a question? Because I don't want to prolonged the argument that why I accept your explanation of the claimed of this gods, there are many question that if I ask you, gradually you will notice the lies of this gods, so pleased can you answer the question I ask first? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:49am On Jun 06, 2015 |
mustymatic:
NOTHING MEANS NOTHING Do you need me to point out where it says "before world"? there is the solar system, different planets, the Bible didn't say ur god existed before it. You can see the perfection of the Holy Quran. I HOPE UR DIRECTING TO OTHER gods Does the quran need perfection? No need to explained to you about the pre-existence of God, you did not understand. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 2:30pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I ask you a question and you reply it with a question? Because I don't want to prolonged the argument that why I accept your explanation of the claimed of this gods, there are many question that if I ask you, gradually you will notice the lies of this gods, so pleased can you answer the question I ask first? I have told you already. According to the Hindu story of creation Brahama created humans. He didn't create two people like Adam and Eve. He created a group of humans. That seems to be supported scientifically. DNA analysis have shown that we descended from a group of humans not from one man and woman. But from a group. 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 2:43pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Does the quran need perfection? No need to explained to you about the pre-existence of God, you did not understand. No. I understand, you dont. The Quran is perfect 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 5:59pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
mustymatic:
No. I understand, you dont. The Quran is perfect quran 5:3 ....This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion; You only perfected an imperfect thing. Why do Allah need to perfected islam ?doesn't this mean when islam begin, it was not perfect? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 6:01pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
dalaman:
I have told you already. According to the Hindu story of creation Brahama created humans. He didn't create two people like Adam and Eve. He created a group of humans. That seems to be supported scientifically. DNA analysis have shown that we descended from a group of humans not from one man and woman. But from a group. correct me if am wrong, doesent this debunked evolution ? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 6:32pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
malvisguy212: correct me if am wrong, doesent this debunked evolution ? I think it support evolution. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 7:43pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
dalaman:
I think it support evolution. according to evolution, All life on Earth evolved from a single- celled organism that lived roughly 3.5 billion years ago, a new study seems to confirm. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 12:02am On Jun 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212: quran 5:3 ....This day have I perfected for you your religion and completed My favor on you and chosen for you Islam as a religion;
You only perfected an imperfect thing. Why do Allah need to perfected islam ?doesn't this mean when islam begin, it was not perfect? In summary, u n I now believe it is perfect. Chapter closed 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 7:52am On Jun 07, 2015 |
mustymatic:
In summary, u n I now believe it is perfect. Chapter closed before it is not perfect but NOW it is? |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 10:38am On Jun 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212: before it is not perfect but NOW it is? Stop gettin confused the Quran was not revealed today. not this today.. now start from the beginning of d verse, if I remember correctly u quoted d middle somewhere. Show me where the Bible says it is perfect (not Jesus obviously, since he didn't say n kno it was written) 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 11:47am On Jun 07, 2015 |
mustymatic:
Stop gettin confused the Quran was not revealed today. not this today.. now start from the beginning of d verse, if I remember correctly u quoted d middle somewhere. Show me where the Bible says it is perfect (not Jesus obviously, since he didn't say n kno it was written) the bible does not need to say "it's perfect" this will sound like boastful,to who God is boastful too? Human?. But the bible say every word spoken by the prophet and apostles were inspired by God ,they were moved by the power of the holy spirit.meaning it was perfect from the BEGINNING and the word of God needed no perfection. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 7:56pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212: the bible does not need to say "it's perfect" this will sound like boastful,to who God is boastful too? Human?. But the bible say every word spoken by the prophet and apostles were inspired by God ,they were moved by the power of the holy spirit.meaning it was perfect from the BEGINNING and the word of God needed no perfection. not boast, more of a blessing, if not how wud we kno? But Jesus never had a hand in the Bible ur reading |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 9:28pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
mustymatic:
not boast, more of a blessing, if not how wud we kno? But Jesus never had a hand in the Bible ur reading In ancient Israel it was customary in the Synagogue for a common Israelite to read from the Torah on the Sabbath Day. On this particular day in Nazareth Jesus stood up to read and chose Isaiah 61 as His reading portion. He made an amazing statement: "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Luke 4:17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, Isaiah61:1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners, |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Empiree: 11:56pm On Jun 07, 2015 |
author=malvisguy212 post=34470721] the bible explained the nature of God. @malvis, kindly briefly tell us with reference from your Bible the nature of bible God?. And in the bible God also made a claimed which none other god made. @malvis, please tell us briefly claims Bible God made that no other god never made? 1 Like |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 8:52am On Jun 08, 2015 |
Empiree: @malvis, kindly briefly tell us with reference from your Bible the nature of bible God?.
@malvis, please tell us briefly claims Bible God made that no other god never made? In the very first verse of the first chapter of the first book it says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth.” Acts 17:24 records: “God, who made the world and everything in it…He is Lord of heaven and earth.” Exodus 20:11 notes: “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them.” He is all-powerful. In Genesis 17:1, God told Abraham “I am Almighty God.” He came before this material world, fulfilling the criteria that the cause must come before the effect. The psalmist wrote: “Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You had formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God” (Psalm 90:2). And He definitely would instill within mankind the concept of morality, since He is a God of morals. Titus 1:2 says that He cannot lie. And He is a God who cannot tolerate sin, the ark of the covenant described the holiness of God.The Ark of the Covenant was an embodiment of God's presence with the Israelites. The atonement cover (or "mercy seat" ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) that covered the ark was God's throne ( 2 Sam 6:2) and God's presence was above it (Lev 16:2); it was also the place where God met Moses and gave him commands ( Ex 25:22). |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 7:39pm On Jun 08, 2015 |
dalaman:
The books of James and Jude were both written in the 2nd Century by Christians and not the brothers of Jesus. Authorship was given to those names but they never wrote down those books. No. most biblical scholars agree the book of James and Jude were written in the 1st century and most of them think James and Jude has something to do with it (it could have been written or dictated by them or by their direct disciple) not by a disciple of a disciple that. Mind you, I'm not saying any of the events they have in those book are true. in fact, I think most of the writers in the new testament pulled it right out of their back side because the historical events they have in the book are sometimes 5-10 years away from the mark. before the Muslims here come and say their book is more superior I'll say shove it! Yours is based on a book that's made of lies (the bible), with the ridiculous stories in the bible filtered a little. zero x zero still equals zero. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 3:43am On Jun 09, 2015 |
Mellin: Do u really want to see the real God? Open ur 3rd eye. It's in the middle of ur forehead. I have seen, interact, play, joke with gods not with my naked eyes but my 3rd eye.
2ndly we are God. Forget everything about religion it's just a tool to enslave and control u.
Take your time to read my story on how I encountered the real God
www.nairaland.com/2338294/must-read-why-how-became First, you and I know you are lying about seeing God. Let's get that out of the way. But if you insist, I'll like to see a note from your Psychiatrist that gives you a clean bill of health. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by Nobody: 4:07pm On Jun 09, 2015 |
MeandSum:
First, you and I know you are lying about seeing God. Let's get that out of the way. But if you insist, I'll like to see a note from your Psychiatrist that gives you a clean bill of health. first lemme see a note from your mother that certifies your father(black man) is the real one really gave birth to u. Then I will show u not just a note but my real self so we can sit and talk and know who is really mentally deranged |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by MeandSum: 5:33am On Jun 10, 2015 |
Mellin: first lemme see a note from your mother that certifies your father(black man) is the real one really gave birth to u. Then I will show u not just a note but my real self so we can sit and talk and know who is really mentally deranged you walked right into that one. The god you claim to have seen seem to have replaced your brain with wool. you know it's a lie, all the other Christians and Muslims here know you are lying because none of them can claim they've heard or seen God. so you're in a special situation which is fantasy land. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by mustymatic(m): 10:28am On Jun 10, 2015 |
Surah 19; 30. He spake: Lo! I am the slave of Allah. He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a Prophet, 31. And hath made me blessed wheresoever I may be, and hath enjoined upon me prayer and alms giving so long as I remain alive, 32. And (hath made me) dutiful toward her who bore me, and hath not made me arrogant, unblest. 33. Peace on me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the day I shall be raised alive! 34. Such was Jesus, son of Mary: (this is) a statement of the truth concerning which they doubt. 35. It befitteth not (the Majesty of) Allah that He should take unto Himself a son. Glory be to Him! When He decreeth a thing, He saith unto it only: Be! and it is. 36. And lo! Allah is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. That is the right path. 37. The sects among them differ: but woe unto the disbelievers from the meeting of an awful Day. 38. See and hear them on the Day they come unto Us! Yet the evil doers are today in error manifest. 39. And warn them of the Day of anguish when the case hath been decided. Now they are in a state of carelessness, and they believe not. 40. Lo! We inherit the earth and all who are thereon, and unto Us they are returned. 41. And make mention (O Muhammad) in the Scripture of Abraham. Lo! he was a saint, a Prophet. 42. When he said unto his father: O my father! Why worshippest thou that which beareth not nor seeth, nor can in aught avail thee? 43. O my father! Lo! there hath come unto me of knowledge that which came not unto thee. So follow me, and I will lead thee on a right path. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 10:24pm On Aug 03, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Agnostics will say God has abandoned his creatures,infacte,At this point, some doubters will say to me, "You said many things that are logical, and that is why I cannot say categorically that there is no God. But I'm an agnostic, because even if there is a God, I doubt we can know this Being." I have heard this argument before, but it makes no logical sense. Let me explain:
Why would a Creator go through the trouble of making a huge universe, with billions of galaxies containing billions of stars, so that the proper elements of life can exist on our side of the universe to form life?Then the Creator goes through the extent of putting a God- consciousness in us to make us aware of God's existence. Then the Being giving us a conscience to feel responsibility to the Creator. Then He puts eternity in our hearts so that we cannot help but believe we will live forever. Considering all this, why would a Creator leave us alone and remain unknowable?
It is clear that since the Creator went through all this, then He intends for us to find Him. Paul said it this way to the Athenians: "God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us" (Acts 17:27).
It is, therefore, logical to think that God would provide a way for us to reach Him. WHICH RELIGION? This is where we come to the subject of religion. Religion is the system by which people try to connect with God and ultimately make peace with Him. It's that simple.
The trouble is that if humankind starts the system, it is doomed for failure. Instead, God would have to set up the religion for humans to find Him. It is logical that if God established creation, gave us a God-consciousness, a moral conscience, and a consciousness of eternity, that He intends to establish a religion that humans could find Him and be reconciled to Him.
Agnostics would argue that it is impossible to know which,if any religion is true. However,logic convinces me that God must establish the true religion, otherwise, He failed to provide a pathway for us to reach Him.It's illogical for the Creator to go through all this extent, only to fail at this point in providing us a pathway to Himself.
There are three possible pathways to the Deity: pantheism, polytheism and monotheism.
Which basic pathway is right? Pantheism sees the universe as God. For this pathway to be true, then the universe would have to be eternal. But we have seen through observable science that the universe is not eternal. It has a beginning and will one day have an end. Thus, pantheism is a false pathway to God.
Polytheism is a belief that multiple gods created the universe. Even though this could be true, the universe is one. In fact, the word "uni-means one." There is only one universe and the entire universe is subject to the same laws and is connected to the whole. Therefore, it is more likely that only One Being created the one universe.
This means that monotheism would be the proper pathway to God. This helps us in our search since there are only three major religions that are monotheistic: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three could not be true, because they contradict themselves at very important points.
Of the three monotheistic religions, only one teaches that the One God is revealed in Three Persons: Christianity. The other two agree that God is One and is revealed as One Person. However, as I contemplate the universe, is it possible that the Creator put His fingerprints on the universe so we can know what kind of God He is? The answer is yes. The universe, though it is one, is also three-dimensional.
There are three elements that make up the universe: time, space and matter (energy plus mass). They exist together to form the universe. Not only is the universe made of these three trinitarian elements, each of the elements are made of three:
Time is made of past,present and future Space is made of height,depth and width. Matter is made of solid, liquid and gas. This is no coincidence. It seems that the Creator put His trinitarian fingerprints on the universe so that humans would know the true religion. Any ancient human could have seen these three in one if they gave it much thought. But now, through the invention of the microscope, we have discovered that even the building blocks of the universe, the atom, is made of three components: protons, electrons and neutrons. It's as if the Creator put His signature on the creation so humans could find the true religion.
Only Christianity has revealed the true nature of God,one God in three Persons. God establish Christianity and gave us a revelation of His true Nature.
Christianity also claims that is the fulfillment of the oldest monotheistic religion: Judaism. In Judaism, there was hope and expectation that the Messiah would come to set the world right.
Christianity says that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and through Him the full revelation of the Triune God was revealed.
Jesus did not want us to accept Him by blind faith, because He said, "If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own" (John 7:17). Jesus is saying that belief in Him and in His teachings will be proven true by its success. Success defined is the ability to connect with God, in addition to making people better. When people truly submit to the Lordship of Christ and follow His teachings, then they make the world around them better.
Islam cannot be taken serious because it's contradicts the true nature of God through the moral law, God who set this law will not allow man to break it easily, Islam say if your good deed outweigh your bad deed ,Allah will forgave you. In other word, it doesent matter how much you sinned as long as you can do more good, God will forgive you. This contradicts the nature of holiness in God and this give man the right to sin even more as long as they can outweigh this sin with the good deed. I pray God open our eyes even more. |
Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by malvisguy212: 12:12am On Oct 28, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Agnostics will say God has abandoned his creatures,infacte,At this point, some doubters will say to me, "You said many things that are logical, and that is why I cannot say categorically that there is no God. But I'm an agnostic, because even if there is a God, I doubt we can know this Being." I have heard this argument before, but it makes no logical sense. Let me explain:
Why would a Creator go through the trouble of making a huge universe, with billions of galaxies containing billions of stars, so that the proper elements of life can exist on our side of the universe to form life?Then the Creator goes through the extent of putting a God- consciousness in us to make us aware of God's existence. Then the Being giving us a conscience to feel responsibility to the Creator. Then He puts eternity in our hearts so that we cannot help but believe we will live forever. Considering all this, why would a Creator leave us alone and remain unknowable?
It is clear that since the Creator went through all this, then He intends for us to find Him. Paul said it this way to the Athenians: "God did this so that men would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from each one of us" (Acts 17:27).
It is, therefore, logical to think that God would provide a way for us to reach Him. WHICH RELIGION? This is where we come to the subject of religion. Religion is the system by which people try to connect with God and ultimately make peace with Him. It's that simple.
The trouble is that if humankind starts the system, it is doomed for failure. Instead, God would have to set up the religion for humans to find Him. It is logical that if God established creation, gave us a God-consciousness, a moral conscience, and a consciousness of eternity, that He intends to establish a religion that humans could find Him and be reconciled to Him.
Agnostics would argue that it is impossible to know which,if any religion is true. However,logic convinces me that God must establish the true religion, otherwise, He failed to provide a pathway for us to reach Him.It's illogical for the Creator to go through all this extent, only to fail at this point in providing us a pathway to Himself.
There are three possible pathways to the Deity: pantheism, polytheism and monotheism.
Which basic pathway is right? Pantheism sees the universe as God. For this pathway to be true, then the universe would have to be eternal. But we have seen through observable science that the universe is not eternal. It has a beginning and will one day have an end. Thus, pantheism is a false pathway to God.
Polytheism is a belief that multiple gods created the universe. Even though this could be true, the universe is one. In fact, the word "uni-means one." There is only one universe and the entire universe is subject to the same laws and is connected to the whole. Therefore, it is more likely that only One Being created the one universe.
This means that monotheism would be the proper pathway to God. This helps us in our search since there are only three major religions that are monotheistic: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. All three could not be true, because they contradict themselves at very important points.
Of the three monotheistic religions, only one teaches that the One God is revealed in Three Persons: Christianity. The other two agree that God is One and is revealed as One Person. However, as I contemplate the universe, is it possible that the Creator put His fingerprints on the universe so we can know what kind of God He is? The answer is yes. The universe, though it is one, is also three-dimensional.
There are three elements that make up the universe: time, space and matter (energy plus mass). They exist together to form the universe. Not only is the universe made of these three trinitarian elements, each of the elements are made of three:
Time is made of past,present and future Space is made of height,depth and width. Matter is made of solid, liquid and gas. This is no coincidence. It seems that the Creator put His trinitarian fingerprints on the universe so that humans would know the true religion. Any ancient human could have seen these three in one if they gave it much thought. But now, through the invention of the microscope, we have discovered that even the building blocks of the universe, the atom, is made of three components: protons, electrons and neutrons. It's as if the Creator put His signature on the creation so humans could find the true religion.
Only Christianity has revealed the true nature of God,one God in three Persons. God establish Christianity and gave us a revelation of His true Nature.
Christianity also claims that is the fulfillment of the oldest monotheistic religion: Judaism. In Judaism, there was hope and expectation that the Messiah would come to set the world right.
Christianity says that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and through Him the full revelation of the Triune God was revealed.
Jesus did not want us to accept Him by blind faith, because He said, "If anyone chooses to do God's will, he will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own" (John 7:17). Jesus is saying that belief in Him and in His teachings will be proven true by its success. Success defined is the ability to connect with God, in addition to making people better. When people truly submit to the Lordship of Christ and follow His teachings, then they make the world around them better.
Islam cannot be taken serious because it's contradicts the true nature of God through the moral law, God who set this law will not allow man to break it easily, Islam say if your good deed outweigh your bad deed ,Allah will forgave you. In other word, it doesent matter how much you sinned as long as you can do more good, God will forgive you. This contradicts the nature of holiness in God and this give man the right to sin even more as long as they can outweigh this sin with the good deed. I pray God open our eyes even more. a |