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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 4:48pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You don't see a problem with your statement ? ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 4:55pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
plaetton: creation is a process . WTH did you call creation "magic" |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Redlyn: 5:06pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
Weah96: I didn't say that. All I am saying there is equally no basis to say it has an origin. Unless you limit the definition of universe to what existed from the big bang. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 6:16pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Do you honestly believe the story of Noah? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:18pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
ifeness: 1.Can you give me a reason why I shouldn't? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 7:16pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:s The Titanic was many many times bigger, but had less cargo capacity than Noahs ark. How do you explain that? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by kolajamesjnr(m): 7:18pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
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Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:33pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
plaetton: Hmmm ... Im surprised you asked this . There is proof that the ark could contain very large number of animals -weight , size included . You can sort yourself out online as regards to any disbelief like I did . Mind you , I know the earth's age incase you thinking about dinosaurs and the others being on the ark . ![]() ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:37pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
kolajamesjnr: Off course |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 7:37pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Proof? Where is the proof? And, you know the Earth's age? ![]() Do you mind sharing that information with us,. Pls? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:43pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
plaetton: Asking for proof is a show of unbelief , I had that too .Like I said earlier :"You can sort yourself out online as regards to any disbelief like I did" And, you know the Earth's age? 4.54 billion years? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by kolajamesjnr(m): 8:02pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
plaetton:There is zero evidence of a worldwide flood. Let's put aside the fact that a great flood would have been physically impossible and that there are no geological records indicating one ever happened, at least while humans existed, and just use our logic on this one. Here's what the Dallas zoo needs every single day. * A ton of hay * 35 pounds of fish * 50 pounds of meat * 100 stalks of celery * five pounds of red onions * 100 pounds of carrots * 25 pounds of spinach * 15 pounds of kale * 10 pounds of mixed vegetables * 150 pounds of sweet potatoes * 10 heads of cabbage * 48 heads of romaine * 30 ears of corn * four loaves of wheat bread * 24 eggs * a pound of yogurt * 40 pounds of bananas * eight pounds of blueberries * 170 oranges * 500 apples * 36 cantaloupes * four papayas * 250 rodents (the variety pack) * 6000 mealworms * 600 wax worms * 7500 crickets Remember, it rained for 40 days/nights, and then they had to wait around for the water to drain away (again, where did it go?) for some more weeks. This list of food is what the Dallas Zoo needs every day. Multiply this by 50 or 60 days... Say that Noah only needed half a ton of hay a day. That's 30 tons of hay for the whole cruise. Exactly where did they keep this? How did they gather it all in advance of the rain? If you gathered 100 pounds of hay every day, it would take you 20 days per ton. So you'd have to do nothing but gather hay for 600 days to get 30 tons together. Now I'm using logic again here, so I'm sure I've lost you by now, but if it rained for 40 days, enough to cover the highest mountain peaks in the world, please tell me exactly where did all that water go? It would have taken years for it to evaporate or be absorbed into the soil, so where did it disappear to? And how did the animals get there? How exactly did the wombats and kangaroos get to the middle east from Australia? Did the swim? Did the Polar bears swim tens of thousands of miles to get there? just asking common sense questions. You don't even need science to disprove the Noah's Ark myth, just a brain. 3 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by DeepSight(m): 8:07pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
SNCOQ3: Thank you. I honestly dont know whether to laugh or cry at the shallowness of Plaettons mind. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:44pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
kolajamesjnr: Learn to give credit to who is due for your "research" ![]() https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20130502162634AAfzzuw Now go back online and search for proof of Noah's story ... Thanks |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 9:06pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: Yes or no, do you believe lions, elephants, antelopes, lizards, flies got into the Noah's boat? Please answer! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:24pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
ifeness: Yes ! Understand what God being a [size=30pt]supernatural[/size] being means ! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 10:18pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You believe Hippotamous,crocodiles got in there too? Now I know who I'm talking to ![]() ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by Nobody: 10:19pm On Jun 05, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog: You believe Hippopotamus,crocodiles got in there too? Now I know who I'm talking to ![]() ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by johnydon22(m): 11:12am On Jun 06, 2015 |
who missed me ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by undercat: 1:25pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
I hope I'm not too late for the party. ![]() UyiIredia: So? The order of the physical universe which ensures it adheres to laws which can be inferred suggests an intelligence behind the universe. Precisely because it is lawless an unordered universe can take any form and it could pretty much look like ours. There is nothing to stop it from doing so. So for all we know our universe is unordered, in the most fundamental sense. 2) The genetic code in living organisms precludes the possibility they arose naturally. Natural processes CAN'T give rise to codes which don't follow natural laws. As humans, we know that codes are always made by conscious effort so the presence of codes in living things is grounds to infer that God exists. Do the genetic codes follow any laws? You left that out. 3) Consciousness in man is not explainable by materialistic means. Emergence can't explain consciousness since typically it deals with new physical properties that arise due to complex interactions. But the consciousness isn't physical and so can't be explained by purely material means moreso since physical things lack consciousness. This is good grounds to believe that a God that effects consciousness exists. Do you have proof that it is impossible for there to be a materialistic theory of consciousness? 2 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 3:20pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
DeepSight: Huh? ![]() Even thou, O mighty one! Does this Mean you agree and support what this fellow babbled above, or you are just lending sentient al moral support to your accolytes? I have warned you. You are not teaching your disciples well, Oh wordy master. As a master of the craft yourself, master of the Creating word ( ![]() It requires a certain degree of cunning and creativity. Something that is evidently lacking amongst your minions. Not so, sire? Your accolytes do not represent you well, sire. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 3:24pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Lol I can't stop laughing. When the going gets tough, the tough goes SUPERNATURAL. ![]() Do you also believe Santa Clause uses SUPERNATURAL to deliver gifts to every kid on christmas Eve? It could only be SUPERNATURAL. Lol. 3 Likes |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by DeepSight(m): 5:11pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
plaetton: Game over. Nailed and dusted. All your contentions destroyed. Wonder if you will get it though. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by DeepSight(m): 5:24pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
kolajamesjnr: I don't know if the great flood happened and I will not vouch for it, but sticking with logic and answering your question above, Icebergs and the North and South Poles, not to speak of clouds and evaporation, (and a great many other geological factors i can easily think about) can easily account for that which you have inquired about. Very very easily. I would be I interested to know if you are aware that sea shells have been found on some of the highest mountains in the world. In addition I would like to draw your attention to the preponderance of flood myths in so many cultures of the world, and I do not know if you are one of those who dismiss ubiquitous myths lightly. I would also question if you believe that these stories are literal or spiritual. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 5:35pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
DeepSight: No sir. You don't get it sir. I was merely referring to your techniques, sire,.. the techniques of the Master Chef of world - renowned WordSalads. ![]() One of us makes a pretty good living whipping up and tossing WordSalads all over our judicial landscapes,... And it Ain't me. ![]() ![]() Gotcha! |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 9:01pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
Kay17: What makes codes special is the fact that they represent something else, not their order. Why doesn't it make sense of a conscious God to have caused conscious beings ? |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 9:09pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
ifeness: No elaborations. I'm arguing for God as generally understood: the Creator of all reality. ifeness: So you believe that consciousness can survive death. I don't know any atheist that holds that belief. Are you an atheist ? ifeness: I don't listen to quantum physics mumbo-jumbo. The universe is no illusion. It's real and exists whether or not we know it when we're unconscious. ifeness: Your arguments here have failed to show that this is true. |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:22pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
plaetton: Suarez is not human ! Gooooaaaaalllll Sorry I thought we are giving irrelevant analogies Name one kid who has claimed to see Santa Clause |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 9:31pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
kolajamesjnr: The same applies to evolution. How did life evolve from natural processes ? How did sex evolve ? How did the brain evolve ? How can random mutations make new organs ? How can natural selection discern and preserve new species ? Where are transitional forms ? Lots more questions could be asked of the theory and what you'll get is poor replies and/or ignorance, if you're unlucky, insults. 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:31pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
DeepSight: It could even be an allegory and its more fun to know that the ark could really hold all the animals that were supposed to be preserved from flood ![]() |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by UyiIredia(m): 9:41pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
undercat: No, you aren't. undercat: So, what accounts for the universe existence. Itself ? Or God ? undercat: Actually a lawless universe cannot possibly look like ours. It's taking any form means it won't adhere to a given configuration or set of laws as our universe does. undercat: Actually, codes are laws themselves. They are rules which determine how a given physical system can represent another. For example the word 'water' representing a given thing. undercat: How can that be possible when consciousness is immaterial ? 1 Like |
Re: Three Arguments For God's Existence by plaetton: 9:54pm On Jun 06, 2015 |
KingEbukasBlog:Laughing out Lord. This is even more hilarious. But,.. But using UyiIredia s logic, Santa Clause is generally known to exist. |
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