Jehovah witness members believe that birthdays are sinful celebrations and that day should not be marked simply because those that celebrated it in the bible were unbelievers.

To the above I say a big NO. Just because some people celebrated their birthdays the wrong way, christians should not. For one, if unbelievers can mark the day they become a year older, how much more we who are superior to them.

Secondly, if JWs don't want to celebrate birthdays because gentiles celebrated it wrongly in the bible, then they should not have wedding celebrations! Yes! No christian ever celebrated a wedding ceremony. Jesus went to a wedding. Yes true. But, it was in obedience to his mother and he infact, had to use his miraculous power for something rather trivial like 'making wine'. Jesus had not started his ministry then, so the wedding celebrants were obviously unbelievers. If JWs want to oust birthdays they should oust wedding celebrations.

However, the way christians celebrate birthdays are wrong. Playing loud worldly music, going to clubs, binging on meals, having wild home parties are not ways christians should celebrate their birthdays. You should thank God and invite friends over to dine in a non-secular atmosphere. Christians should not have parties that may later turn out to be orgies. It is plain wrong!!


Another JW sophistry or should I say mis-guidance exposed.

No No No

but a worldly celebration is a sin...

Birthday celebration ought to be a time of thanking God and not a time of downing 'ORIJIN'

Birthday celebration has been a pagan celebration even before jesus came.

Worshipers of jehovah never celebrated birthdays

The Jews did not do it.

even though the mosaic scriptures listed several celebrations, birthdays was not one of them

The bible warns against adopting pagan dates and celebrations.

Jesus did not celebrate it

The disciples did not celebrate it

The early christians do not celebrate it even though they knew pagans celebrate it.

What calender do you use to count ur years, the hebrew, Islamic, gregorian or Julian calender? All are different with different shades of accuracy

Why do you mark years, why dnt you celebrate days instead, at least everyday is new and different.

dolphinheart:
Birthday celebration has been a pagan celebration even before jesus came.

Worshipers of jehovah never celebrated birthdays

The Jews did not do it.

even though the mosaic scriptures listed several celebrations, birthdays was not one of them

The bible warns against adopting pagan dates and celebrations.

Jesus did not celebrate it

The disciples did not celebrate it

The early christians do not celebrate it even though they knew pagans celebrate it.

What calender do you use to count ur years, the hebrew, Islamic, gregorian or Julian calender? All are different with different shades of accuracy

Why do you mark years, why dnt you celebrate days instead, at least everyday is new and different.

Uhm did you even read the post? Read the second paragraph for your sake.

And duhh it is the day I clock a new age

dolphinheart:
Birthday celebration has been a pagan celebration even before jesus came.

Worshipers of jehovah never celebrated birthdays

The Jews did not do it.

even though the mosaic scriptures listed several celebrations, birthdays was not one of them

The bible warns against adopting pagan dates and celebrations.

Jesus did not celebrate it

JW celebrate other annivessaries like death, wedding, etc. Are these different? Please clarify. Thks.

The disciples did not celebrate it

The early christians do not celebrate it even though they knew pagans celebrate it.

What calender do you use to count ur years, the hebrew, Islamic, gregorian or Julian calender? All are different with different shades of accuracy

Why do you mark years, why dnt you celebrate days instead, at least everyday is new and different.

JW do celebrate wedding anniversary, death anniversary etc. How is this different from birth anniversary. Pls clarify.

Anything that is not done out of faith is sin (Romans 14:23)...this is the broadest definition of sin! Hence if birthday parties are celebrated by faith then it is pure, holy and acceptable unto God else it is an abomination to God...So sin goes beyond the 'thou shalts' and 'thou shall nots' of the old testament...the bar of righteousness has been raised to the highest level and now even the way you dress, the way you smile, the way you eat, the way you meet your wife in bed, the style of your hair, your choice of institution to study, your choice of a future partner, your choice of course of study in the University...even the way you sleep could be sin if they are all done outside faith!

so how do they know their age? and what do they fill in forms that have DOB. I will really like to know.

blackmartial:
so how do they know their age? and what do they fill in forms that have DOB. I will really like to know.

I never knew dull people like this still exist. Pls read topic slowly again. Birthday celebration not Date of Birth.

Esdb3:


Uhm did you even read the post? Read the second paragraph for your sake.

And duhh it is the day I clock a new age

I understand you verry well. You want to adjust a celebration in which the ideas, logic, process behind it was created by Satan for pagan worshipers. So that it will look as if you are doing it for God. God does not require you celebrating birthdays for him , what he requires you to do is stated in the bible.

Two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible, the bible let's us know the religion of those people, the bible let us know what happened at the celebrations .
The bible now tells us that everything , yes everything written in the bible is written for a reason.

dolphinheart:


I understand you verry well. You want to adjust a celebration in which the ideas, logic, process behind it was created by Satan for pagan worshipers. So that it will look as if you are doing it for God. God does not require you celebrating birthdays for him , what he requires you to do is stated in the bible.

Two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible, the bible let's us know the religion of those people, the bible let us know what happened at the celebrations .
The bible now tells us that everything , yes everything written in the bible is written for a reason.

Buhahahahaha very funny.

Because two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible, it means only two birthday celebrations were ever celebrated during bible times?

Because it was not written in the bible that Jesus laughed it means he didn't laugh?

Because some people used their birthday to glorify the devil I can't use mine to glorify God?

Weddings were celebrated by unbelievers, but christians do today in the church. How about that
P.S-- SUNday was the day the sun was worshipped, so to stop people from going their church was fixed on that day. So tell me, by your comment, who are you glorifying on SUNday??

Esdb3:


Buhahahahaha very funny.

Because two birthday celebrations are mentioned in the bible, it means only two birthday celebrations were ever celebrated during bible times?

Because it was not written in the bible that Jesus laughed it means he didn't laugh?

Because some people used their birthday to glorify the devil I can't use mine to glorify God?

Weddings were celebrated by unbelievers, but christians do today in the church. How about that
P.S-- SUNday was the day the sun was worshipped, so to stop people from going their church was fixed on that day. So tell me, by your comment, who are you glorifying on SUNday??

Stop Justifying an Error !

two birthday celebrations recorded in the bible are done by pagans. NO servant of God was said to attend those celebrations

ON the CONTRARY , the wedding at Cana was attended by God believing mary alongside Jesus and his apostles .

CANTICLES:


Stop Justifying an Error !

two birthday celebrations recorded in the bible are done by pagans. NO servant of God was said to attend those celebrations

ON the CONTRARY , the wedding at Cana was attended by God believing mary alongside Jesus and his apostles .

Mary was a jew! The king who had his birthday was a JEW TOO!

Jesus even mentioned it that it was not yet his time and was coerced. Into performing a miracle! The apostles attended?!!! Eh!!! Is that what charles russel wrote in your bible?!

The gospel was taken to the poor, Jesus was poor so how could he have attended a king's birthday ceremony?!

No christian ever CELEBRATED a wedding am not talking about attendance!

And you didn't read what I said about sunday abi? Paul said he won't eat meat if it will make his fellow man to sin. Does that make meat a sin? God told peter not to call his creation unclean. What does that tell you about JW talking about the smallest unnecessary things!





And am sorry to say but you cannot read!

If you can read, you'll be able to deduce that it is the way you do things that matter? A man last month celebrated his 50th year birthday by offering 6 hours of praise to God. He has sinned?

If you can read, didn't you see what I said about the bible not giving all accounts? So you mean to tell me only two people had their birthdays during bible times?



If you want to follow the bible the way you people are hypocritically doing it. Why are you not wearing sandals? Why are you going to school since the bible 'said you are not of this world', and last time I checked the people of the world went to school in the bible even. Paul was a lawyer and a persecutor before he was converted. Matthew was a tax collector - a sinner too before conversion!!!! JW are hypocrites!!! Leaving the real things and over-doingly mis-interpreting the bible mtchww!!!






















If you will quote me again put 3 *** at the top of your comment so I'll know you read through and I'll know you can read!

Esdb3:


Mary was a jew! The king who had his birthday was a JEW TOO!

Go and re - read history , the herods are Edomites , descendants of Edom .

The gospel was taken to the poor, Jesus was poor so how could he have attended a king's birthday ceremony?!

That makes you wonder why he attend a marriage feast and not a birthday party .

No christian ever CELEBRATED a wedding am not talking about attendance!

Mr man, wedding feast is cherished by godly men and women , even Jesus compared himself to a bridegroom at a wedding feast .

" the bridegroom came , the virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast." - Matthew 25:10


think about the word "bridegroom".

Have you heard about the marriage of the lamb ?

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CANTICLES:

Go and re - read history , the herods are Edomites , descendants of Edom .



That makes you wonder why he attend a marriage feast and not a birthday party .



Mr man, wedding feast is cherished by godly men and women , even Jesus compared himself to a bridegroom at a wedding feast .

" the bridegroom came , the virgins who were ready went in with him to the marriage feast." - Matthew 25:10


think about the word "bridegroom".

Have you heard about the marriage of the lamb ?

So because Jesus attended poor men's ceremony we shouldn't attend?

And since christ talked about marriage, what does that tell you? He Is not concerned about the BIRTHDAY and that doesn't mean he sees it as evil. He never said anything vile about it! Not even Paul did! It is a day you can choose to do what you feel is right. And as a christian, thanking him for letting you live to see that day is what you should be doing! Simply because pagans did evil things on that day doesn't make it evil!

You still haven't said anything about sunday..

There are somethings in christianity, you weigh yourself. So many things paul said, christ didn't say. But he was wise enough to come to a conclusion. There is nothing wrong with birthday celebrations(that is done in the lord)! It is all in your head!

The micro-phone is a device that was not made for church purposes yet don't you use them? Is that a sin too? The same mic you sing to God with some party in the club with. Is that a sin too?!!!


And you didn't read my last comment all the way down. If you repeat that I'll stop replying you....

CANTICLES:


Stop Justifying an Error !

two birthday celebrations recorded in the bible are done by pagans. NO servant of God was said to attend those celebrations

ON the CONTRARY , the wedding at Cana was attended by God believing mary alongside Jesus and his apostles .

going by your assumption endless more rules can be conjured. For example:

Dogs are mentioned in the Bible 40 times, and in every mention they are described disparagingly. They are said to be lowly and unclean, used as an allegory for sodomites (Deut 23:17,18), and said to be no part of the New System (Rev 22:15). Yet, the Watchtower does not conclude dogs are not for Christians.

Eye paint is mentioned twice, once in reference to wicked queen Jezebel (2 Kings 9:30) and secondly to apostate Israel (Jer 4:30), yet the Watchtower does not forbid eye makeup.

paulGrundy:


going by your assumption endless more rules can be conjured. For example:

Dogs are mentioned in the Bible 40 times, and in every mention they are described disparagingly. They are said to be lowly and unclean, used as an allegory for sodomites (Deut 23:17,18), and said to be no part of the New System (Rev 22:15). Yet, the Watchtower does not conclude dogs are not for Christians.

Eye paint is mentioned twice, once in reference to wicked queen Jezebel (2 Kings 9:30) and secondly to apostate Israel (Jer 4:30), yet the Watchtower does not forbid eye makeup.

God bless you brother!!! It further shows that church spurned from an argument loving charles russel with no inspiration from the holy spirit. Canticles reply!!!!!

I know a JW boy who wouldnt attend birthday a of year old boy, whose father is his neighbour, but carry girls every night on his alter(bed), which is sinful?.
Call my bluff and i will send his location.

Blackfire:
I know a JW boy who wouldnt attend birthday a of year old boy, whose father is his neighbour, but carry girls every night on his alter(bed), which is sinful?.
Call my bluff and i will send his location.

If you re sure that he is commiting fornication, which is a sin. Pls do tell, unless u want ur friend to die a sinner! .

dolphinheart:


If you re sure that he is commiting fornication, which is a sin. Pls do tell, unless u want ur friend to die a sinner! .

1.that i am sure, that one is 100%.
2.who do i tell? Him? U? Or his hypocritical life?.
3.i hate that word friend, he is not my friend,just a neighbour who know nothing about life
4. Can a JW die as a sinner?

Blackfire:

1.that i am sure, that one is 100%.
2.who do i tell? Him? U? Or his hypocritical life?.
3.i hate that word friend, he is not my friend,just a neighbour who know nothing about life
4. Can a JW die as a sinner?

Tell him , tell him again, then tell his fellow brothers. Do as the scriptures say u should do when u notice a Christian going astray .

Being a witness of jehovah is not by being a member of the organization.

dolphinheart:
Being a witness of jehovah is not by being a member of the organization.

I guess you're one of those who have discovered incoherent teaching of your organization but afraid of leaving the organization due to dis-fellowship from friends and families.

Because I notice some of your claim are against what your organization teaches sometimes, your organization teaching is contrary to what you said above

This is the second baptismal question of your organization:
"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

dolphinheart:


Tell him , tell him again, then tell his fellow brothers. Do as the scriptures say u should do when u notice a Christian going astray .

Being a witness of jehovah is not by being a member of the organization.

why/how should i an atheist tell him that is religious that he is a sinner?.
I can give u his location if u want.
What pains me(not that i care) is the small boy is wasting his life,thinking he is smart... Well ko kan aye.
I just hate it when people call satan as there enemy, but while u are rocking vanities,devil wasnt mentioned

Blackfire:

1.that i am sure, that one is 100%.
2.who do i tell? Him? U? Or his hypocritical life?.
3.i hate that word friend, he is not my friend,just a neighbour who know nothing about life
4. Can a JW die as a sinner?

Oga, if u are sure of what u are saying, and if this person is a baptized witness, JWs in his congregation will be happy to know especially the elders.

We don't tolerate such atrocities. First, when JWs come to preach to u in ur area, tell them what you ve observed. Depending on how convincing your allegation is, the witnesses may take up the case and launch an investigation. If u have another nabor who have observed this, that will be an added impetus.

If u know the kingdom hall they use in there worship, u could go there on a meeting day, carefully ask to speak with an elder, and tell him ur observation. If at all possible, u can snap, video or do anything possible to make a convincing evidence.

When ur evidence is strong, live it for the elders. With time, u may hear the report.

Note that whatever action taken by the elders is in a bid to help the person, not that they hate him. No.

U can send me a mail if u need more guideline.
Ur effort will be appreciated.

Blackfire:


why/how should i an atheist tell him that is religious that he is a sinner?.
I can give u his location if u want.
What pains me(not that i care) is the small boy is wasting his life,thinking he is smart... Well ko kan aye.
I just hate it when people call satan as there enemy, but while u are rocking vanities,devil wasnt mentioned

If u think he is wasting his life, and u love him, take the above step, he will be helped.

No witness can take up stand for what another person saw. Since u are the one who saw it, u need to present ur evidence to someone who is closer to verify and investigate. The elders are charged with that responsibility.

If I, as a witness goes on to say what I didnt have the evidence, whatever punishment the person could have gotten will be borne by me.

Even as u report it to any witness, have a convincing evidence, not just word of mouth. If not, u may not be taken serious. If it is a word of mouth, I advise u get another person who will also serve as a witness. But U have a camera, u can do alot with that.

Emusan:


I guess you're one of those who have discovered incoherent teaching of your organization but afraid of leaving the organization due to dis-fellowship from friends and families.

Because I notice some of your claim are against what your organization teaches sometimes, your organization teaching is contrary to what you said above

This is the second baptismal question of your organization:
"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

I guess you are one of those who see everything in black and white.

I've not discovered any incoherent teaching.
The organizations beliefs and practise of its members have helped me, in fact , it has saved me literarily!.

Ur notice is totally wrong !
I've not said anything that goes contrary to the views of the organization.
If you really know me, ull realize that I'm not trying to serve jehovah cus of friends and family, they are secondary to the reason why I'm serving jehovah.

Due to humans sinful nature, he can turn from being a witness of jehovah but still maintaining his membership of the organization if he hides his sinful actions and it is not made known to the congregation .
If you want to be a witness of jehovah, you must obey all of jehovahs directives and not some.
Jehovah knows his witnesses by there heart condition first, not by membership of an organization
If you are found to be a sinner in the congregation, then the process of dealing with such person as directed in the scriptures is activated.

You see there post and publications from a wrong perspective cus you are constantly and desperately searching for "something wrong" with what they teach. This premeditated search of yours does not allow you to see the good things they teach you in their publications, which should be the main determinant.

JMAN05:


If u think he is wasting his life, and u love him, take the above step, he will be helped.

No witness can take up stand for what another person saw. Since u are the one who saw it, u need to present ur evidence to someone who is closer to verify and investigate. The elders are charged with that responsibility.

If I, as a witness goes on to say what I didnt have the evidence, whatever punishment the person could have gotten will be borne by me.

Even as u report it to any witness, have a convincing evidence, not just word of mouth. If not, u may not be taken serious. If it is a word of mouth, I advise u get another person who will also serve as a witness. But U have a camera, u can do alot with that.

first of all f.uck religion, secondly if u want to help your felow JW, u ask me for his location, then verify if it is true help him, and please keep your religious yeye curse to yourself. He stays in ibaban(need more info)
I am blackfire, my words are my bond

Esdb3:


Canticles reply!!!!!

Am HAPPY the person u quote could not say anything about my post , but RATHER went ahead to present two cases which further reveal his grade 'A' confusion .

Point 1 : dogs

Dogs themselves are animals that act on instinct not sodomites , and proverb 12:10 says [color=brown] " the righteous one takes care of his domestic animals " [/brown], for my trillion dollars , do we have any example of a righteous man that owns dog ? Yes , Job keeps dog to help guard his sheep ( Job 30:1)

Point 2: Eye Paint

Eye paint are general cosmetics used by women in bible times. even women who fears God, this is evident from the name of Jobs Daughter Kerren - Happuch meaning " horn of the black (eye) paint " . Notice The underlined .

THAT SHOWS YOUR POINTS AR INVALID. Can you also give an example of a righteous man who celebrate his birthday in the bible?*NONE* ,birthday celebration is ONLY mention wit reference to pagans

Blackfire:


first of all f.uck religion, secondly if u want to help your felow JW, u ask me for his location, then verify if it is true help him, and please keep your religious yeye curse to yourself. He stays in ibaban(need more info)
I am blackfire, my words are my bond

Thanks for ur time sir

paulGrundy:


going by your assumption endless more rules can be conjured. For example:

Dogs are mentioned in the Bible 40 times, and in every mention they are described disparagingly. They are said to be lowly and unclean, used as an allegory for sodomites (Deut 23:17,18), and said to be no part of the New System (Rev 22:15). Yet, the Watchtower does not conclude dogs are not for Christians.

Eye paint is mentioned twice, once in reference to wicked queen Jezebel (2 Kings 9:30) and secondly to apostate Israel (Jer 4:30), yet the Watchtower does not forbid eye makeup.

Jw and their loyalty to the watchtower is their greatest mistakes. Most JWs do not read their bible indepedently, but rely on 'reasoning with the scripture' and 'what the bible really teaches' booklets for guidance. That makes an average JW whole dependent on the governing body in their day-to-day spiritual activities.

What goes wrong on a birthday could have equally gone wrong on a wedding day. I have heard of people poisoned with food on a wedding day. I have heard of people had accident on their way to a funeral. Does that make wedding ceremony or funeral procession bad? No.

For the fact that many events were not recorded in the bible does not mean they never happened. Even in the old days of biblical events many things such as deaths during wedding could have occured without the bible scribes including them in the bible.

So using isolated events to standardize a doctrines, just as JWs do, is wrong. As someone earlier said, Paul said if eating meat will make people sin he will not eat meat. That is his personal conviction and not a law.

If JW believe that celebrating birthdays will make them sinners hence refuse to celebrate it, that is good. However it will be wrong to canonize such laws in an organized setting as a religious or spiritual law that must not be violated.

Emusan:


I guess you're one of those who have discovered incoherent teaching of your organization but afraid of leaving the organization due to dis-fellowship from friends and families.

Because I notice some of your claim are against what your organization teaches sometimes, your organization teaching is contrary to what you said above

This is the second baptismal question of your organization:
"Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?" Watchtower 1985 Jun 1 p.30

That question is both technical and highly deceptive. Things to point out here are:

1) The person to be baptised is to be identified as a JW and not as a christian.

2) The person's spiritual association or loyalty will be only to the watchtower organization

3) The watchtower organization is a spirit-directed organization.

An organization that have been lying and changing doctrines, and telling us that the light is just becoming brighter can never be a 'a spirit-directed organization'. The Spirit of God cannot lie and cannot use men who lie. It is an insult and a terrible sin for JW governing body to call themselves 'a spirit-directed organization'.

They (the watchtower) can best be described as 'few intelligent, carnal and smart men directed organization who are controlling the gullible millions'.

Jw is one organisation that i cant seem to fathom the foundation of their belief.A JW member will rather play a wordly song than play a good christain tune.
I will rather have my bottom sat on piercing iron nails for five days than be a Jw member.

Esdb3:


God bless you brother!!! It further shows that church spurned from an argument loving charles russel with no inspiration from the holy spirit. Canticles reply!!!!!