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Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 10:52am On Jun 20, 2015 |
Original post I referred to: DProDG:DONE AWAY WITH? From the stats you posted does it seem so? johnydon22: Please understand CONTEXT before commenting. See the original post above. The dude said "Societies that have done away with ridiculous superstitions " ... From the polls you posted below, does that prove that? According to the most recent Eurobarometer Poll of 2010,[5]So 66% of the population believe in some kind of Higher Being. 5% Not sure. Is that not superstition? Does that mean the have "DONE AWAY WITH" it? If you are refering to the Christian God maybe, but to the God concept NO! (there is a difference). |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:57am On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Superstition is not belief in a higher being. . Superstition is the belief in supernatural causality —that one event causes another without any natural process linking the two events—such as astrology, religion, omens, witchcraft, prophecies, etc., that contradicts natural science. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/?title=Superstition That someone believes in a higher being (some form of agnosticism) does not entail superstition... You are actually the one who mistook what he regarded as ridiculous superstition (e.g: belief in witchcraft, omens, prophecies, lucky charms) like we have here in Nigeria to be synonymous to belief in a higher being |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 11:04am On Jun 20, 2015 |
johnydon22: Like I said, view CONTEXT before involvement. This is MY ORIGINAL post DProDG referred to. Yeah OP, in addition, the Atheist thinks that the World will be a better place without beliefs in God. Hope this will help you see where I am coming from before you start posting links that are irrelevant to the CONTEXT. In addition, you can see that you have proved my point. No vacuum in nature. Push God out, and have superstition. Man always craves belief in higher beings. It is the way we are built. This is why Atheism is absurd. |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 11:19am On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2: First of all belief in a God doesn't fill any vacuum in nature because there is none there, the vacuum you are stipulating is an imaginary one so as to add your imaginary vacuum filler no wonder other animals are not that inclined. Talk about Vacuums you talk about food chains where everyone participates and is vital to life on earth. . . Not concepts conceived in human minds that has no weight on natural world or reality... That a large amount of humans have this belief (indoctrinated/ passed on) does not in any way makes it real or to have any effect of nature talk more of filling any assumed vacuum. Bolded, Its very good you are aware it is mere belief and not certainty, believing in imaginary concepts by a majority does not make it a certainty.... You do not have a belief that you can see, you know you can see and that is sheer certainty. . Am sure if your deity concepts were certainties no one would need to believe, everyone would have known. . . . Lets Check again where the absurdity lies 1 Like |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by Nobody: 1:10pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2: Why are you being defensive? In a hasty attempt to win an argument that hasn't even started yet, you've ended up looking silly. I'm not gonna go on about religious demographics in Norway and Japan anymore. We are looking at the exact same stats and everyone else can tell the irreligious are the majority. Rather than admit you were wrong, you're gonna claim that 22% of people who claim to believe in God and the <40% that adhere to Buddhism(religion/philosophy) in Norway and Japan, are as significant. In case it wasn't obvious enough, my use of the phrase "done away with" did not mean every single individual. My main question was whether or not the concept of a deity is necessary. Yes? Why do you thinks so? Must we have an arbitrary entity to worship? 2 Likes |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by davien(m): 1:16pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
wow...I've missed a lot on nairaland...another failed critique of atheism thread... 1 Like |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by davien(m): 1:42pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:There are a lot of misconceptions in your argument... god/gods have never been identified to play a part in natural processes(nature)...so how could one push or exclude what's not there from nature?... It is the belief in this absent and unseen so-called "supernatural" entity that needs to be excluded... because it lacks any method of proving/disproving it...which is necessary if it has become a placeholder for people's actions and interactions with each other(or morality)... I wouldn't want to base my moral perspectives or my thinking faculties on something that isn't based in reality,especially when it encourages one to accept it at face value...that would be gullibility and stup.idity.. And if you truly considered a lack of belief in god absurd then why carry only one belief?...isn't that special pleading?... If you accept that a lack of belief in a supernatural entity is absurd why seclude yourself to one belief only?...what makes your lack of belief of other religions god/gods sane and not absurd? And if you want to say I'm my own god for disbelieving in god/gods,then I'll be content knowing that I actually show and express more empathy towards fellow human beings than yours is described to be in the bible.... Easily demonstrated by me using my brain to ask a simple moral question like "why couldn't your god just forgive Adam and eve,sparring everyone suffering?" And in this small question...the biblical story(if it's in any increment true at all)have been shown to be morally bankrupt.. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 9:55pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
davien:Good, now you get my point: Man is a deity. Some have been and are still been worship. johnydon22:Man is a believer irrespective of your views. Our daily lives requires beleif (conscious or unconscious). Belief that your neighbour is NOT a serial killer, or your Doctors prescription will work. Belief that the plane pilot is NOT a psycho that will crash the plane. DProDG:I didn't speak of worship. The Devil is a deity, so are Angels as well as Man. I don't worship them. You need not worship them BUT you need not deny their existence (deities). P.S: Leave your "Done away with" argument. It is a false claim. The stats YOU posted shows it. Atheism is absurd because it doesn't believe in deities but there are over 7 billion of them on this planet. |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:03pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:belief makes nothing true. . . whether you believe something or not doesnt make it true. . that you belief your neighbour is NOT serial killer doesn't make your neighbour to a serial killer if he is one. that you believe your doctors prescriptions will work still wouldnt make them work if they are not the right ones. that you belief the pilot is Not a psycho that will crash the plane still doesn't make him not to be a psycho if he is one. . so you see belief bears absolutely no weight on certainty... 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:06pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:Hahahahahahahaha if you are referring to humans as deities then thats good then (that now seems you are not forgoing the existence of the allegedly supernatural deity concepts horus, yahweh, osiris and co) so for humans being deities, thats alright then but we atheist just like to live in reality so we would prefer calling them just humans 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 10:08pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
johnydon22: Missing my point. Like I said... Man is a Beleiver (hence the need for the vacuum to be filled either by God or Man which are both Deities). |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:11pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:1) define deity 2)what sort of imaginary belief vacuum are you trying to create exactly so since you obviously think it is necessary for you to have belief in something why dont you just confine it to the natural examples you gave me like doctor not being a psycho, why cook up unnecessary imaginative concepts like god(s) because you need to heap your beliefs somewhere for which ever reason 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 10:18pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
johnydon22: Didn't cook them up neither are they imaginary. Let me give you an example out of many. There was a Jew named Jesus whose story is well documented. You can even check through history or google. Is that also cooked up? |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:26pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2: let me give you thousand other examples. . There was a greek heracles (hercules) whose story was also well documented. there was an egyptian God osiris who story is well documented in ancient egyptian papyrus. there is also Zeus and other Olympian Gods whose stories appear too on homer's Iliad and other greek antiquities we can go on forever. . . that is exactly the cooking up we are talking about.. You can tell me hercules and jesus are greek and jew respectively and lived somewhere in greece and isreal sometime ago. . i definitely have no problem with that. but when you start telling me hercules was born when a god came and got his mother pregnant, helped atlas carry the earth, carried an over large stone up a mountain or jesus was born when a god came and got his mom pregnant, walked on water etc. . And ask me to believe it with faith. That is exactly where cooking up stories are 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by NumberOne2(m): 10:37pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
johnydon22: Hmmm, so Super Humans don't exist? Cos there are some well documented even alive today. |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:44pm On Jun 20, 2015 |
NumberOne2:. . . Yeah we have some gods (from somewhere outside the universe) coming to impregnate human women to give birth to nice super babies. . . that help literally carry planet, walk on water etc.. example of these babies that are alive now please |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by davien(m): 8:25am On Jun 21, 2015 |
NumberOne2:To be "worshipped" does not relate to being a deity, and even then it seems you loosen definitions to fit anything you like into that category... If a deity is all about being praised....then notable praiseworthy concepts like humanism,pragmatism,realism etc are also deities which we all "worship" And since you agree to "worship" some notable concepts you have violated your christian commandment to not "worship" or "idolize" other things separate from the christian god.......shooting yourself in the foot A belief is a positive reaffirmation, not a negative one....and it relates to believing things that have no evidence... If there is no evidence of your neighbour being a serial killer then would you hold a "belief" he is one?... And I'd like to point out that you're performing linguistic gymnastics as belief is synonymous to a host of other definitions not affiliated to faith like accept or a hunch(when used in certain contexts)...you are misusing the term....making it another equivocation fallacy... You can call them whatever you feel like as long as you give discrete reasons....now what is the definition of a deity that makes human beings fall into the same category with magically inspired entities? what "stats", did I post any stats?...arguing with x atheist and responding to y atheist is pure dishonesty and shows the depth of your position... And to set the record straight....give us the defining bar that makes human beings deities... 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by menesheh(m): 9:25am On Jun 21, 2015 |
johnydon22: Still that's the field of epistemology to critically access and determine to what extent an ideal can actually be taken to be truth with maximum certainty. |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by Nobody: 10:19am On Jun 21, 2015 |
please teach me how to become an atheist |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:31am On Jun 21, 2015 |
sportsmaster:lmao atheism is not a doctrine or religion that people can teach you.... it is just a name labeled on people who don't believe in god(s). . . so nobody is here to preach you or teach you anything because their is nothing to teach. only doctrines are taught and atheism is just a name not a doctrine. what you believe or disbelieve is your business 2 Likes |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by Nobody: 10:35am On Jun 21, 2015 |
johnydon22: oya tell me the necessary steps |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by johnydon22(m): 10:50am On Jun 21, 2015 |
sportsmaster:sir there are no steps habaaa... what you believe or disbelieve is your business and however you choose to do it is your business too. what are the steps of not watching a tv 1 Like |
Re: ALL ATHIESTS Are GUILTY Of This by Nobody: 10:56am On Jun 21, 2015 |
johnydon22:Ok sir,taking ur advice asap |
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