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Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Christistruth03: 12:41am On Sep 10, 2023 |
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Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Christistruth03: 12:44am On Sep 10, 2023 |
efepro: Apongbon is Yoruba It means man with the Orange Beard It was Used to refer to the Beard of a British Colonial Governors beard The man may have had a Ginger beard |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 3:46am On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess: Edo has always been independent and they were the ones who made a Yoruba man their Oba. There is the Oranmiyan story and there is also another Irete meji story of another person entirely named Sasore in the same Benin. All without war or coercion. Not different from how Oduduwa was installed in Ile Ife less than two thousand years ago or the Baba Alaagba in Lagos. The installation of that Oduduwa partly accounts for the language we now speak in my opinion. They were a Kingdom before admitting a new King just like other Edo or Yoruba kingdoms and today they are still a kingdom like they were before inviting those people but to be spreading wrong history of the empire being run with Edo language is a disservice to history because in reality the empire was Yoruba and the ancestors of all royalties founded from Benin were Yorubas and not Edoid people by any stretch of the imagination. That is what needs to be set right. What they have now is Benin kingdom which is Edo while the empire in it's totality was Yoruba. That is the issue. Though I am not a linguist but I will want to believe that the Edoid branch of YEAI is more primordial to the group as a whole than the other branches. It makes sense because they are more southerly and therefore less vulnerable to adulteration from the North. However it does not really mean much of anything since even the Edoid group has diverged into tens of distinct languages that are mutually unintelligible. The level of it's complexity is also not so much more than Yoruba that has five tones with three very commonly used. Bear in mind that some languages in Asia have up to eight tones and some in South Africa have click sounds but I believe Edoid group is the least adulterated cluster of YEAI. They are exposed only or mainly to Ijaw and Ijaw too has been there since God knows when. We are all historians and anybody can add perspective and I will not sit and watch while anybody spreads as truth something that is manifestly wrong 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Okada691: 11:04am On Sep 10, 2023 |
Ologbo147:my brother that Yoruba account is not in tandem with reality, how can you go borrow a king from someone you barely know. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Ologbo147: 11:41am On Sep 10, 2023 |
Okada691:that was a stretch my brother, I just wanted to let him know that either way he is bleeped, when you compare my points to his. “ i wantto add that not only that the language Edo exists, it was also the language of the palace of the Oba of Benin. And there are plethora of evidence to prove such. You must have heard of the edo’nekhue dialect that evolved out of the relationship between the royal family and the eastern Yoruba people. The dialect was spoken by eastern Yoruba people who had affinity with the Oba of Benin. Even the Yoruba account accented to the fact that the Oba is maternally Edo ancestrally. The names of past Obas of Benin. Both their birth names and their ascension names are all Bini names. Stools and places affiliated to Benin had one or two Edo relic to buttress the fact that Edo was the palace language. The traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri was and is still Ogiame which directly translates to King of the riverine area . Go and check the Obi of Agbor and Isele-uku king lists, you are sure to find several Edo names that can be interpreted today. Even places in Lagos island is replete with Edo naming pattern-Idumagbo, idumota, iduntafa, idunsagbe and so on. What about the name Eko. These are names and places that can be interpreted by Edo and supported by historical account from a Yoruba historian that it came from Edo like the one i quoted above. There are plethora and plethora of evidence to support the fact that Edo was spoken in the palace “ This is a research work by their Yoruba brother, i don’t think i need to say too much title of this book is “which Lagos, whose history, by ayodeji olukoju, department of history and strategic studies,university of Lagos, Nigeria 3 Likes 1 Share
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Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 12:17pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
Edoid languages spoken outside Benin? Definitely yes since Edoid languages are plentiful stretching to Rivers, Bayelsa and etc. Benin language outside Benin was not spoken anywhere outside Benin before the twentieth century. Benin of course can not speak Edo to Itsekiri or Ijaw or Ilaje that would have transported them to Lagos and the population of Lagos island as at then was maybe three to five thousand individuals in the seventeenth century or so. Among those people there were Ijesa people, Egba, Ijebu and etc and we have evidence for that as the present King of Lagos is descended from Ologunkutere whose father Baba Alaagba was an Ijesa man. He was not the first Ijesa to settle in Lagos. There were Ijesa in Benin definitely and Benin in Ijesa and the family of my maternal grandma is from the Benin capital in Ipetu Ijesa and they are Yoruba Alawiye is the name . It is a no brainer actually that Benin aristocrats were Yoruba as they could not have been anything else. They have no neighbors at all to speak Benin to. All those names like Iga Iduganran means palace built on a pepper farm. Iganran is the Awori word for pepper. Iga is a Yoruba word for palace among Awori, Ijebu and etc. In deep Yoruba it can mean exalted. Idu in Iduganran is not different from Ido in Ido Ani, Ido Ajinare etc. It means settlement or place of abode. Ido iganran or Iduganran means a place of pepper or pepper farm. Idumota might mean the dwelling of Ota people. Go there and ask them and it is whatever they tell you, you will accept. Nobody there will tell you it is a Benin word. Benin people are not known to the average Awori prior to Nigeria. Who they knew are Ijesa Ijebu, Egun, Hausa, Ijaw, Ghana people and etc. It was Nigeria that brought Edo people to Lagos island for the first time but their Yoruba speaking aristocrats were brought definitely by either Ijaw or Itsekiri seafarers who are Yoruba speakers. I hope you understand now. No Benin aristocrat would speak Edo to Ijaw or Itsekiri people and they did not even understand the language back then 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Okada691: 12:43pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
Ologbo147:aside this Yoruba historian who noted now that the Binis invaded and instituted the monarchy, other historians of note also wrote in support of the idea that the Binis instituted the monarchy. From Bradbury to Ryder all supported the theory that the Oba of Lagos is a direct offshoot of the Oba of Benin. As with conquest and Invasion, there are usually renaming of towns, that is why they started renaming quarters with the Edo language he is used to. Idumota ~ota people’s district, Idunsagbe, Iduntafa, idunmagbon and so on even the town, he renamed it Eko. Which directly translates to War camp. Even the Oba of Lagos once said that he is a direct descendant of the Oba of Benin 2 Likes |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Okada691: 12:50pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211:that is true, the Binis did not allow everybody to speak the Edo language because they deem it as precious but they always have an interpreter or a spokesperson in every community of influence who was usually bilingual speaking his own community tongue and the palace language. That is why the Edonekhue dialect evolved in the first place among the Edo royals in the eastern Yoruba region 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 12:58pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
It is just like an Ijesa man saying Joshua is a corruption of Ijesa or Jebusite is a corruption of Ijebu or Irish is derived from Iresa when their forefathers or people speaking their language have never set foot in the place before the twentieth century. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Ologbo147: 1:10pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
Okada691:not only that it is settled in colonial documents my brother, bodies of late kings in Lagos were taken to Benin. Those of Bradbury and Ryder built up on what the Europeans had settled. The Oba of Lagos after he said that he was an offshoot of Benin, they nearly came for his head but he knew what he was saying. His fathers before him in the 1850stold the colonial masters that the Oba of Benin was the owner of Lagos. Ryder noted that emblems of authority which signifies confirmation of stools were always sent from Benin. And tributary payments was annually sent from Lagos to Benin. I think this material from a Yoruba historian settles it, he is a realist and does not want to delude himself. He obviously knew where it came from. He knew that these are vestiges of the Edo language. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 1:14pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
Okada691: Benin established a monarchy in a village at the time derived from a small military post stationed there but a village overtime can become a metropolis. The Benin that came there spoke a southeastern Yoruba dialect while the Awori spoke a variant of the same southeastern Yoruba. They were the same people and there was no war. If there was a war it would be recorded in history. It was just in the seventeenth century not farther back. The Eleko royal family was established by Benin but it disconnected from Benin when Benin declined and was even paying tribute to Akure. It became relatively prosperous on its own. It was birthed by Ogunda Irete and Lagosians believe who managed to make it happen was an Awo from Ijesa land who they saw as a sage. He wanted to return to Ijesa and he was tied down by being given a princess to marry from the royal family and a palace was built for him. He was literarily enthroned and all Lagos monarchs are his descendants but they are also descended from Benin from the mother of Ologunkutere who was the son of the Awo by the princess. The monarchy itself was started by Benin and three chiefs are from Benin Bajulaye whose name current Benin can not pronounce well, Ashogbon and Oshodin, the other chiefs are not Benin but their own Benin was Yoruba speaking Benin and if your own is not it means it is not the same thing. The three chiefs of Benin origin in Lagos came from a Yoruba speaking capital not from one calling Bajulaiye Bazulaye not one that can not pronounce Deji of Akure |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 1:56pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani:Bini was the empire, don’t be a goat, you are a fat fool, a big goat, the king of dumb people. One whose iq is less than 0. A very demented human being. Those titles went from BENIN TO THOSE places not the other way round. Obazuaye is a chieftaincy title just like Obaretin, Obarisiagbon and so on. The same with Oshodin and Esogban, it was corrupted by Yoruba. Esogban was created alongside the Iyase and so many other titles during the reign of Ewedo. Talk is cheap, post any material at all where the Binis paid tribute to akure and i will send you ten thousand naira card. The language spoken by the Obas of Lagos were not similar to what was spoken in Lagos. That is why many historians even Yoruba historians can acknowledge those were vestiges of Edo. In the whole of Nigeria, there is no place where Idun is used as a prefix of the name of a quarter. Idun as the name of quarters in Edo state would be over 150. Idun Oza, idunekae, Idunowina etc i have seen foolish Yorubas but yours is the heights. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 2:30pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: Stop your insult, tell your story. Nobody stops you from telling your story bro. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 2:38pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess:tell him to also stop his insult, he is insulting us (Edos)with his severe ignorance and it is not funny anymore, since i have been reading his argument, he has not quoted one paper, he just make claims he cannot back up, even when several materials are given to him. He does not accept and still goes back to his previous claims He uses “be civil”to subtly pass his useless agenda, i want to let him know Benin people are the hallmark of violence. I have seen through him, and I promise with my life to insult him into oblivion. 2 Likes |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 3:20pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: Everyone have to calm down and study. In as much as I disagree with him on many grounds, I don't agree with your claims either. But I can't ask you not to tell your perceived truth. We have to learn from both sides. For instance, how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest? Everybody conquer in theories. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 4:01pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess:it is not perceived, it is settled in history, plethora of eye witness accounts, plethora of historians from Europeaccounts in the 20th century and even a Yoruba historian perspective up there. It is not like we are pulling facts from our buttocks. It is vivid and it what is traceable. Anyone trying to downplay the influence of Edo on Lagos is on a wild goose chase. anyone trying to downplay the effect of the Edo language on the Benin empire is headed on a mirage journey because there are several facts to buttress it unlike himself that has never cited any material since i started reading his work. my brothers on here in the past has consistently cited several materials 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 4:16pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess: He is one of the never do well bastards who were not given good upbringing. He will never amount to anything worthwhile. Such people don't. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 4:24pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess: Thank you for your approach which shows good upbringing and etc. I wrote a curse against him but it did not upload. Please highlight what you want me to elucidate. I am a purely academic minded person who would withdraw from any unsound position and I do that frequently. Can you point to the faults in my positions so that I can have a new conclusion starting from today. Meanwhile any Idu in Benin is a Yoruba name of which the people there don't know the meaning unless it is a word they share with Yoruba. Ido is Idu which means settlement and there are many Yoruba place names like that. Ido Ajinare. Ido Ani, Ido Ijesa and many others. They should show Edoid place names outside Benin with Idu or Ido or show us Idumota Iduganran in Benin or start claiming it was Edo speaking people that established all Idus in Yoruba land |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 4:33pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: You are a bastard. Tell me where I insulted you. You lack proper upbringing and are very uncouth |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 4:35pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani:You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings. you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see. I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by lawani: 4:39pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
Iduakae is owned by Akure people Iduowina is owned by Owena Ijesa people and etc etc. Edo as a word itself is a corruption of Ido or Idu |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 4:40pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani:You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings. you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see. I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 4:44pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani:oga Ogun dae kill your pa, are you a worthless soul, iduowina is a quarter of People that deal in wood. Owina means workmen in Edo, have you ever read of the guild system in Benin. Ekae is the name of a person, a notable person in History, don’t be a slowpoke, you are a worthless soul, among all dull people here, you are Apex, you do not deserve civility and you are not getting one from me You make worthless claims out of the ceilings, what kind of a worthless soul are you 2 Likes |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 5:18pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani:That is why I said you are ignorant, so neck deep in ignorance, from. Ekpoma to Ewohimi to Ewu to Urhonigbe to all Edo communities in Edo south and central Edo. Are you joking? Several quarters of these towns are replete with Idun. It is countless 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 5:19pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: Yoruba don't usually lie about their history, because most of their traditions have backup. You can always go behind and draw out their history from their traditions. Try not to be sentimental. When did the Bini conquest of Lagos happened, what was the name of the king that was deposed? If there's an eyewitness account, this is recent in history. By the way, I'm not downplaying the Bini place in Eko history, the history of Eko is is not complete without our Bini heritage and for this there are ogalades called "Ara Ibini arokuntayo." |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 5:23pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
lawani: Take it easy, fighting will never help us in making progress. You can't make enemy of a people you believe to be your kindred except you are only interested in the royalty. Or if I'm mistaken, the Yoruba Bini history stops at the ruling house you mean? Is that your angle? |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 5:24pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess:Bro do some study, It is already certified in history, several materials (has been pasted here and there before backing the conquest or attesting to the conquest of Lagos by the Binis . I don’t see how these Europeans would want to lie as it pertains to the fact that they are not members of either tribes.You can’t be asking me what happened then, i was not there, I read of the conquest of Lagos by Orhogbua and the subsequent installation of his son as king of Lagos. There are Edo vestiges everywhere of a foreign culture and a conquest, that is certainly not in tune with what they met on ground. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 5:30pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: There would be no conquest if the account never tally. There must be a reason a place was conquered, if that is not established, we look at founding. How would the possibility of Edo being part of the founding fathers of Lagos hurt the history of Bini? The name of the first king of Lagos is Oba Ado, he was the son of Ashipa. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 5:49pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess:The conquest happened during the reign of Oba Orhogbua and Oba Ado according to Bini accounts and several European historians account was his biological son who said it is unfounded, you asking me how many soldiers died, how many children of citizens died. This is African history where they wrote nothing. It is just like you asking me how many soldiers did Oba Ozolua take to the Uromi-Uzea war? All we know is that there was a war and we read summary of what happened in the war. It is like you asking me how many children died in the Benin Igala war? Because I can’t tell you now does that mean It did not happen. I don’t even know the name of the king that Oba Esigie fought with at the time in Igala. It is not recorded but we have a summary of the war that it went in the Favour of the European account. In the Bini account, Bini wanted Access over the Lagos and he wanted to extend his frontiers up to the Dahomey. So Lagos needs to be in the pockets, that’s why it went that way. But you guys nearly crucified the Oba of Lagos when he said he said he is a paternal descendant of the Oba of Benin. Are you saying he does not know his history? Are you Saying the several European historians who jotted this down are clowns? Are you saying the Yoruba professor of history above who jotted it down as an invasion is a clown. It is not about whether it would hurt Benin history or not, it is about the truth. 1 Like |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by Evboesi: 6:00pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211:my brother these people don’t like the fact of history, they like to euphemise history and history is not like that |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by absoluteSuccess: 6:05pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
AKPAMA211: Be competent brother, I have not made any allegations, you have given us the name of the king who was installed during the conquest, it agrees with the name of the king in Yoruba tradition that was the first king of Eko. What is the name of the king who was conquered? Please don't forget you only have the name of the king in whose reign Eko was conquered not quite long. So, I understand it's not a matter of Bini being part of the founding fathers of Eko but were the conquerors of the people here. |
Re: What Does Etiosa Mean In Yoruba. by AKPAMA211: 6:23pm On Sep 10, 2023 |
absoluteSuccess:this is what you initially ask me bro I find that question absurd. This was your initial question to me below and sincerely i find it absurd, i used Uromi~Benin war to buttress an example that that question was unnecessary because Africans never wrote history and the eyewitness accounts we have did not really document in details but in summary. I further opined that the person(the king of Igala) Oba Esigie fought, the Attah at the time isn’t known in history,. So what are you on about? ”for instance , how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?“ this was your question and i find it totally baseless Oba Orhogbua wanted to be in charge of the Lagos sea, and he also wanted to extend his frontiers to Dahomey that’s all 1 Like
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