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Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 8:54am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Surah 5:Verse 116, And behold! Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, "WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER as gods in derogation of Allah?" He (Jesus) will say, [ a ]"Glory to thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say)... [ b ] (Jesus speaks) Thou knowest what is in my heart though I know not what is in thine..." Verse 118, (Regarding how God should deal with Christians, Jesus is supposed to have said) [ c ] "If thou dost punish them, they are thy servants: If thou dost forgive them, thou art the exalted in power and wise." Jesus NEVER FOR ONCE told anyone to worship Mary, nor did the early church do so. Not even peter when Jesus say on the cross "behold thy mother" make reference to Mary in his epistle in regards to worshiping Mary infacte, Paul, James ,Timothy, and the rest apostles do not even made mention of Mary in there epistles, where do muhammed get the idea that christians worship Mary ? And in surah 5:118. It says: "If thou dost punish them, they are thy servants: If thou dost forgive them, thou art the exalted in power and wise." Jesus would not teach that God could forgive those who add to, or take away from, his Word, when we read that God had already condemned them in Revelation 22. Muhammed has Jesus saying, in Al Koran, Sura 5:118 "If thou dost forgive them, thou art the exalted in power and wise." God will not forgive those who add to, or take away from, his Word. Muhammed then must have added verse 118 out of his fertile imagination, or perhaps he was trying to cover for himself in the future judgment. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 9:00am On Jun 27, 2015 |
Cc confirma, rilwayn001 |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by rajwas(m): 9:09am On Jun 27, 2015 |
You must be mentally sick. 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 9:34am On Jun 27, 2015 |
rajwas:thank you for the insult. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by mistabiola: 9:47am On Jun 27, 2015 |
While it is true that most Christians TODAY do not worship Mary, but MANY heretical Christians THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAD DONE SO. Regarding Sura 5 Verse 116 : "And behold! Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? He will say: Glory to Thee! Never could I say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, Thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, though I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden." The above question will be put to Jesus(peace be upon him)on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT. And the purpose of Sura 5 Verse 116 is to answer ALL the Christians THROUGHOUT the entire history of Christianity. Let us not forget that ALL mankind since the beginning of time will be resurrected on the Day of Judgement. Therefore it is only logical to answer the dilemma faced, not only by the Christians in our present era but by all Christians throughout the history of Christianity. Let us also not forget that Christianity has never been a united religion and will never be. On the contrary, it has always been a totally divided religion. Just read the history of Christianity and you will know. What one Church teaches is significantly different from what another Church teaches. That is why Sura 5 Verse 116 states : "And behold ... Didst thou say unto men, Take me( to answer all the Christians throughout history ) and my mother ( to answer those Christians in history who worshipped Mary )for two gods beside Allah?" I hope the points I just made above will put to rest once and for all the Christian accusation that our Holy Qur'an mistakes Mary as part of the Trinity. 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 4:41pm On Jun 27, 2015 |
mistabiola:in Sura 5:Verse 116 Allah was asking Jesus a questions "Didst thou say unto men, "Worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah?" muhammed had influence from some christians sect (maby the catholic) because Jesus never ask his follower to worship Mary. And the verse went All the way to say Jesus is the one that will judge the christians,and there is a possibility God could forgive thoes who add and take away from his word, never, Jesus could not have teach such when he had already condemned it in the bible. You say there are christians sect, yes!! There are also muslims sect, infacte muslims take a step further by killing each other, so anything you say about christians can be say of the muslims. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 7:43am On Jul 05, 2015 |
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Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 11:49pm On Jul 07, 2015 |
malvisguy212: simple understanding you no get.... besides, do you think it's Mohammed that wrote Quran? ain't you got brains? how can a illiterate write Quran?.... Jesus did not ask anybody to call him god or begotten son of God or ask anyone to worship Mary or ask anyone to go church or ask anyone to read bible or ask anyone following him to be call Christian or ask anyone to be celebrating Easter, Christmas, good Friday and others.. but people are doing these things and they are attributing it to Jesus... Allah will ask Jesus Christ that did Jesus commanded anyone to do any of these... since Jesus will say NO.. there is nothing Christians will say again to be not GUILTY of denying ALLAH.. And HELL FIRE IS UNBELIEVERS ABODE... DO you UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VERSE MEANT NOW? 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 7:03am On Jul 08, 2015 |
ShaheedBinAliyu:Nobody worship Mary , were did this idea come from ? Comperd it with the error muhammed made in calling Mary the sister of Aaron. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:17am On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: when will you have brains o.... it's so glaring and clear... catholic worship Mary... error? you think Quran is like your story book..point of correction my boy... Our creator wrote Quran.. if Mary ain't sister of Aron.. whose sister is she? laughing.. don't tell me you wanna quote from your contradictory story book.. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 8:29am On Jul 08, 2015 |
ShaheedBinAliyu:if you accused catholic of worshipping Mary , then you too are guilty of the same thing , you worship muhammed. Catholic only honour her the way you guys honour muhammed above all other prophet. Mary , sister of Aaron? Aaron who live 1000 of years before Mary? You are deluded. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:38am On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Mary, the sister of Aaron? Let us look at Noble Verse 19:27-28 "At length she brought The (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: 'O Mary ! Truly an amazing thing Hast thou brought ! O sister of Aaron ! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!'" There are no errors in the above Noble Verses!. Let us look at what Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him said regarding this Noble Verse: Mughira b. Shu'ba reported: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun (Aaron)" (i. e. Mary) in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab), Book 025, Number 5326) " As we clearly see from the Saying (Hadith) of our beloved Prophet, this issue was brought to him before and he clearly responded to it. The false claim made against our Prophet about him meaning that Mary was a biological sister of Aaron is clearly refuted. The People of Isreal used to call people by either their last names, or by adding words such as you "Son of..." or "Brother of...." or "Sister of...." When they called people "O Son of...." they didn't mean for that person to be the actual biological son of the person whom they used his name. The other person could be a simply in the family tree or a last name. When Jesus was called "Jesus the son of David" for instance, the Jews didn't mean to call Jesus the actual biological son of David. Similarily, when they called Mary "O sister of Aaron", they meant to call her sister of Aaron in faith !. Not the actual biological sister of Aaron. The Noble Quran talked about Aaron being Moses's biological brother and messenger to Pharoah in Noble Verses 2:248, 4:163, 6:84, 7:122, 7:142, 7:150-151, 10:75, 10:87, 10:89, 19:28, 19:53, 20:30-35, 20:42, 20:70, 20:92-94, 21:48, 21:23, 21:45, 25:35-36, 26:13, 26:48, 28:34-35, 37:114-122 and many more..... The Noble Quran also talks about Moses being the People of Isreal's first Messenger of GOD in Noble Verses 2:108, 2:248, 4:153, 5:20-26, 6:84, 14:8, 19:51-53, 22:44, 25:35-36, 28:3, 37:114-122, 18:60-82, 20:9-48, 27:7-12, 28:29-35, 79:15-19, 7:109-126, 10:79-82, 20:56-73, 26:38-51, 33:7, 2:53, 2:87, 2:136, 3:84, 6:91, 6:154, 7:144-145, 10:87, 11:110, 14:5, 17:2, 21:48, and may more.... The Noble Quran also talks about Jesus comming to the people of Isreal so many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the People of Isreal in Noble Verses 3:49-51, 5:46, 5:72, 43:59, 61:6, 61:14, 4:171, 5:75, 43:59, 42:13, 4:172, 19:30, 43:64, 43:63, 3:52-54, 5:111-113, 57:27, 61:14, 61:6 and many more..... The Noble Quran also talks about Mary being the biological Mother of Jesus in Noble Verses 3:35-37, 19:22-26, 21:91, 66:12, 5:75, 21:91, 4:156, 4:171, 5:17, 5:116, 21:91, 3:42-51, 19:16-21, and many more... So if the Noble Quran speaks clearly about Aaron being the biological brother of Moses, and speaks clearly about Jesus comming many years after Moses and the many other Messengers of GOD that were sent to the people of Isreal, and speaks clearly about Mary being the Mother of Jesus, then therefore, the Noble Quran (1) Recognizes Mary as a woman who was born long years after Aaron, and (2) When the Jews called Mary 'O sister of Aaron..', then meant it to be Sister of Aaron in faith only and not a biological sister. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:40am On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Mary, the biological sister of Aaron? This lengthy diatribe that Muhammad mistook Jesus for Esau (brother of Jacob) is based on this passage: "Then she brought him to her own folk, carrying him. They said: O Mary! Thou hast come with an amazing thing. O SISTER OF AARON! Thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother a harlot." Quran 19:27-28 The Christian IDOL-WORSHIPPERS claim that since the MOTHER of ESAU was REALLY the BIOLOGICAL SISTER of AAROON the Prophet made a "mistake." However, It is clear that Mary WAS figuratively a "O SISTER OF AAROON" - WHY? Because both the Bible and Quran agree she was a LEVITE i.e. a member of the tribe of hereditary "cohens" or "priests" in Judaism. (All ultimately descendants of Aaroon) How do I know this? Mary's cousin was Elizabeth whom we are told "belonged to a priestly family" (Luke 1:5, 36). See also Quran 3:35-36 (stating Mary was descendent of priestly line of Imran). A female descendent of the hereditary priesthood could quite properly be called a "sister of Aaroon! |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:44am On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:49am On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: besides.... it's people that saw Mary with her son that called her sister of Aron.. Not that Allah called her sister of Aron |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Rilwayne001: 3:09pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: It is rilwayne001 and not rilwayn001 malvisguy212: And did the above verse said he did so ![]() nor did the early church do so. Not even peter when Jesus say on the cross "behold thy mother" make reference to Mary in his epistle in regards to worshiping Mary infacte, Paul, James ,Timothy, and the rest apostles do not even made mention of Mary in there epistles, where do muhammed get the idea that christians worship Mary ? [b] Ok, well read the official rosary of the Catholic Church! "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail, our life,our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning.and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this, our exile, show us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement,O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!" http://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/rosary.htm Sorry, this is not use of icons or statutes to "assist" worship - it is pagan prayer to OTHER THAN ALLAH! Also, Catechism of the Catholic Church, (p. 125) goes thus: "495 ... In fact, the One whom she conceived as man by the Holy Spirit, who truly became her son according to the flesh, was none other than the Father's eternal Son, the second person of the Holy Trinity. Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly "Mother of God" (Theotokos). [/b] Jesus would not teach that God could There is no point quoting the book of revelations to make your point. The book is a witness against itself. 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by jcross19: 3:42pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
ShaheedBinAliyu:now I know if muslim scholar want to prove wrong of koran to right then you will see their stupidity, now in your english we can substitute great grand ancestor with brother in order to fit your ignorance even your so called learned can't say what you just posted. Well if you don't know jesus christ is the creator of mohamMAD possess by demon if you doubt it the same koran says that a bird made by clay became living being when jesus breath into it then who give life?. 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 6:12pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:you failed it , woefully!!! catholic prayer, is it the word of Jesus ? Jesus never for once in the bible command christians to worship Mary ,not even the early disciples make reference of her. The catholic prayer you paste never say , worship Mary , it only make Mary an intercessor for sinners. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 8:10pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
jcross19: is it Allah that call Mary sister in the verse.,?? it's bystanders that did... if you refuse to accept Islam.. when you die, you will regret been born... Allah talked about people like you in Quran... always misundersting Allah miracles.. even after been told the truth, they refused... you not the first and won't be the last |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by jcross19: 8:32pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
ShaheedBinAliyu:simple question your koran says a bird made by clay turned to living creature when jesus breath into it then tell me who give life ? If not God . If jesus could gave life to that bird then who is that isa masi? |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by ShaheedBinAliyu(m): 9:08pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
jcross19: ALLAH created Jesus... Allah does miracle through His prophets if He wishes.... even in your story book called bible, Jesus accepted that he cannot do anything without Allah |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Rilwayne001: 9:16pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Really? catholic prayer, is it the word of Jesus? See jamb question oo. Are you asking me whether it is the word of Jesus? Is the bible the word of Jesus? esus never for once in the bible command christians to worship Mary ,not even the early disciples make reference of her. Does it matter whether Jesus commanded christians to worship her or not? Did Jesus ever mention 'Trinity' before you introduce the notion of trinity? Did early disciple believe in Trinity? The catholic prayer you paste never say , worship Mary , it only make Mary an intercessor for sinners. Surah Al-Fatiha, Verse 5: You (Alone) we worship, and you (Alone) we ask for help (for each and everything). Now, reconcile the above with this, " "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, hail, our life,our sweetness, and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve! To thee do we send up our sighs, mourning....." Secondly, here is that the Quran say: Surah Al-Ikhlas, Verse 3: "He begets not, nor was He begotten; Now, reconcile the above with this, ".... [color=green] Hence the Church confesses that Mary is truly "Mother of God" [/green] (Theotokos). Thirdly, here one of those protestant website you usually copy your gibberish from asking exactly the same question: [size=14pt] Is worship of saints / Mary biblical? [/size] http://www.gotquestions.org/worship-saints-Mary.html What's your take on this^? 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by jcross19: 9:29pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
ShaheedBinAliyu:I asked simple question who is authorise to give life? Is there any man that can turn non living thing to living thing? Even your book of poems can't deny His authority. Through the same jesus allah the demon was made . |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Demmzy15(m): 9:59pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: malvisguy212:You're the one who's deluded! The verse in question is this: At length she brought the (babe) to her people, carrying him (in her arms). They said: "O Mary! truly an amazing thing hast thou brought! "O sister of Aaron! Thy father was not a man of evil, nor thy mother a woman unchaste!" [Qur'an 19:27-28] The same question you're asking arose also during the time of Prophet Muhammad and he answered with this hadith. Hadīth related by Mughirah ibn Shu‘bah [5326] says: Mughira b. Shu‘ba reported: When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "O sister of Harun" in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born much before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) I asked him about that, whereupon he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostles and pious persons who had gone before them." Moreover, ShaheedBinAliyu also gave an explanation. Lemme make this clear, open ya eyes and read before asking me any senseless questions! [size=18pt]#ChristainsStopTakiyyahNow[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 10:02pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:you are Not making sense at all, infacte the first muslim brother that coment make a lot of sense than you do. Is it biblical to worship Mary ? Catholic worship Mary or not is none of my business. The quran say: Surah 5:Verse 116, And behold! Allah will say: O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, "WORSHIP ME AND MY MOTHER as gods ........? All what we need to do now is to do some searching,did Jesus say we should worship Mary? Jesus in the bible never for once ask anybody to worship Mary , where did this idea came from ? It is very clear , muhammed was GREATLY influence by some christians teaching heresy.hence the question, were did this idea came from ? |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Demmzy15(m): 10:05pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
jcross19:Even the bible attested to the fact that Jesus couldn't do anything on his own, so it is left to you to show me where Muslims are obliged to take Jesus as their god and Savior from the Quran. ((shikena)) Stop using the Qur’an because it's always against you! |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Demmzy15(m): 10:10pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
jcross19:Learn how to talk! |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by malvisguy212: 10:27pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15:my friend, you failed woefully,very wrong!!! There were Arabian Christians living in a town called Najran who understand the bible very well , muhammed always find it difficult to deal with them.this quranic verse struck them: (Surah 19:27, 28). It reads: "Carrying the child, (Jesus), she (Mary) came to her people, who said to her: "Mary, this is indeed a strange thing! SISTER OF AARON, your father was never a LovePeddler-monger, nor was your mother a harlot."" This verse states that after Mary gave birth to Christ,her townsfolk reproached her. They thought she was not married, and assumed that she committed sexual sin because she gave birth. In their reproach, they called her,"Sister of Aaron". This mistake was discerned by the Arabic Christians of Najran. There is a record of them exposing Muhammad's mistake. Sahih Muslim, the Hadith related by Mughirah ibn Shu'bah, #5326, says: "When I came to Najran, they (the Christians of Najran) asked me: You read "Sister of Harun", (i.e. Mary), in the Qur'an, whereas Moses was born well before Jesus. When I came back to Allah's Messenger I asked him about that, and he said: "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostle and pious persons who had gone before them."" [Sahih Muslim, translated by Abdul Siddiqi]. Examine Muhammad's explanation. He said, "The (people of the old age) used to give names (to their persons) after the names of Apostle and pious persons who had gone before them". Do we have any evidence that anyone else was ever called, "sister of Aaron", besides his real sister? If there would be one place where Mary or someone else might be called "sister of Aaron", it might be in the Bible. But there is no place where Mary or anyone else is metaphorically called "sister of Aaron". When the NT refers to people being called after saints of old, it calls them, "SON" or "DAUGHTER". Jesus is called "son of David" in Matthew 21:9, and Elizabeth is called, "daughter of Aaron" in Luke 1:5, etc. Abraham is referred to as "father" by the Jews in John 8:38. But NEVER are these people called, "brothers or sisters" after any of the previous saints. The uses of these "son " and "daughter" idioms were accepted and understood by all in that culture. And their use makes sense. Since the great pious people of old helped to create or establish the nation of Israel, people following afterwards are understandably called, "son" or "daughter" after them. We use this same idiom model in this day. There is an American organization called, "Daughters of the Revolution". Perhaps you can think of other people or groups called "sons or daughters" after famous people who are now dead. |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by jcross19: 10:42pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15:what you posted is more than allah wisdom like what I said how can christ give life to clay and the clay became a living thing but you said he can't do anything on HIS own yes you are right is in God and God is in him automatically is God in flesh then tell me from the book of your poems is there any prophet that have done what isa masi did ? |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by jcross19: 10:43pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15:learn how to comprehend . |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Demmzy15(m): 10:45pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Really?! ![]() There were Arabian Christians living in a town called Najran who understand the bible very well , muhammed alwaysLet's see your gibberish explanations! This verse states that after Mary gaveCorrect! In their reproach, they called her,"Sister ofLet me be nice with you, they were confused the same way you are now and they inquired for explanations. They wanted to know more, not that they were trying to discredit the Prophet. The Christians of Najran have always been friends of Muslims, in fact the Muslims had fair dealings with them. Sahih Muslim, the Hadith related byWhat are you saying or are you deliberately blocking your brain from comprehending this hadith?! Lemme give you an example:my father who is a Muslim, his name is Zakariyyah. He gave birth to me and named me Muhammad and by junior brothers Yahya and Rilwan. So if my junior offends an Imam and the Imam exclaims "Why did you do it O Son of Zakariyyah" does this mean he is referring to Yahya Ibn Zakariyyah(John The Baptist) in the Quran?! Because my junior brother bears the same name with islamic John The Baptist! Hope you get it now, the people of old and probably now named their children after pious men and women! If there would be one place where MaryRemember that little is known about Mary in the Bible, so if the bible didn't mention this that doesn't mean the Quran is wrong! [s]When the NT refers to people being |
Re: Explanation Wanted!!! by Demmzy15(m): 10:49pm On Jul 08, 2015 |
jcross19:I allergic to trash, so you have to write reasonably! |
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