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Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Abbey2sam(m): 7:53am On Jul 05, 2015 |
tonytony208: and you think you just write a good english? clap for yourself, i've seen worse university students, lemme ask you, can Elizabeth speak your language? |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by hotgunz(m): 7:54am On Jul 05, 2015 |
lonelydora:am a proud poly graduate wat I hv achieved and wat I can do in Engineering world ur mate can never. In fact I boss dem at work. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Nobody: 7:56am On Jul 05, 2015 |
bodbod:It's the way the world work just like examination is not a true test of knowledge, yet it's the world's recognized standard for assessing competency. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by sixtus3606(m): 8:00am On Jul 05, 2015 |
MsTIQ:Na u talk sense pass! |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Megaflex(m): 8:02am On Jul 05, 2015 |
tonytony208:Accept say u goof jor my guy |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by lonelydora: 8:05am On Jul 05, 2015 |
hotgunz: Which Engineering world? That groundnut oil mill in your backyard is what you call engineering world? Young man, there's difference between a technician, which you are, and an Engineer. Well I'm not here to banter words with you. 3 Likes |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Nobody: 8:05am On Jul 05, 2015 |
neocortex:Polytechnics would never be scrapped. They may be allowed to produce some applied science degree. Their are polytechnics all over the world from Canada to Russia. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by lordhugo(m): 8:05am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Jakara: You can make your point without recourse to lying o. FUTO has only MSc, MTech and PGD programs in the postgraduate tier. There is no MBA (masters of business administration) in FUTO except in PMT, FMT and MMT depts. So unless na those depts, no lie again o. abeg check your "sertifikate" well. I would like to see a copy though. FINALLY, POLY IS POLY AND UNI IS UNI. IF YOU GO POLY, EXPECT POLY SALARY. IF YOU GO UNI, NA UNI SALARY U GO GET. 3 Likes |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Popoolaoladayo(m): 8:06am On Jul 05, 2015 |
In the first place, it is important to note that the two systems are not the same and can never be the same. One is also not an alternative to the other. Polytechnic education is purely a techno-scientific education. This is in contrast to that of the university that is predominantly academic. The meaning of this is that while polytechnic education concentrates on technical cum scientific education and at the same time providing the nation and economy with the much needed and indispensable middle level manpower, the university concentrates on academic work and research. The result of their academic and research work is exactly what the polytechnic cadre puts into a practical form. For instance, an Electronics/Electrical Engineering graduate from the university can sit down on a table and plan how a given building can be wired. He is not expected to do the wiring himself. The wiring, which is a practical aspect, is now the responsibility of the polytechnic Electronic/Electrical Engineering graduate. The argument here is that while polytechnic education is more of practical, The Bachelor’s Degree also known as “Baccalaureate” in many countries. The word baccalaureate is a distorted version of German word “Bakkalaureus.” The Bachelor’s degree was first awarded in Germany, but was later abolished. The degree resurfaced in 1820, however, as part of a change in the higher education system. A Bachelor’s degree is an undergraduate academic degree. The name “Bachelor” was given to the degree because of the English word “Bachelor” meaning young apprentice (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007).that of the university is theoretical. Polytechnic education is, for instance, 60 per cent practical and 40 percent theoretical while that of the university is vice versa. This little explanation is a pure pointer to the fact that both educational systems are not the same or is one an alternative to the other. Therefore, a student who is opting for the polytechnic education should bear in mind that he is opting for a practical- oriented education. He can only switch to the university if he wants to go academic or theoretical. In a nutshell, one does not enter a polytechnic as a last resort. It is a different educational system with its own mission, vision and, of course, a clear objective. Countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and many developed economies rely deeply on skilled and technical education despite knowing that the university education has an edge over the polytechnic education.Both qualifications work hand in hand because they compliment each other.The government of Nigeria should apply Adams Stacy's equity theory so as to give a positive end result in organizational goals.More so course content of both the university and the Polytechnic should be interwoven. The discrimination is conspicuous and i know how you feel jakarta.i held the bull by the horn by going back to school dumping my two HNDs for PGD.I surged on and today i will affirmatively tell you that i have two masters degrees and a PHD in view.You can even decide to do a top program in any university(it is just one year six month). Finally you will observe that you even have the edge over every because you have the acumen of the practicals and theory in you.IF THE CONTEMPORARY SITUATION IS DOWNGRADING YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT,FIGHT IT HARD TO BEAT THE CONTEMPORARY POLICIES OF THE EDUCATIONAL DICHOTOMY. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by remirez07(m): 8:07am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Jakara:the true fact is, HND/B.Sc cannot be equivalent there most be different inbtw the both but the differ shouldn't be much.... And Nigeria should stop discrimination. Education is education. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by neocortex: 8:08am On Jul 05, 2015 |
saxywale: Then "discrimination" will always exist. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by porka: 8:12am On Jul 05, 2015 |
perryy: [size=13pt]Polytechnic teachers are resistant in this respect. They don't want to update or improve themselves because of laziness. NUC is only responsible for universities' regulation though.[/size] |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by powerfulsettingz: 8:12am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Damfostopper:young man is neco and waec dsame? |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by niyidenrele: 8:14am On Jul 05, 2015 |
all I want to say is ,....y is it that courses like,medicine,pharmacy ,law and aeronatical science ,are not allowed to be studied in the polytechnic,if truely they are in tandem to the university system........OMO PORY,sorry apoti,ahh wanted to say poly ,accept your faith as ........hmmmmm[b]all I want to say is ,....y is it that courses like,medicine,pharmacy ,law and aeronatical science ,are not allowed to be studied in the polytechnic,if truely they are in tandem to the university system........OMO PORY,sorry apoti,ahh wanted to say poly ,accept your faith as ........hmmmmm[/b]all I want to say is ,....y is it that courses like,medicine,pharmacy ,law and aeronatical science ,are not allowed to be studied in the polytechnic,if truely they are in tandem to the university system........OMO PORY,sorry apoti,ahh wanted to say poly ,accept your faith as ........hmmmmm 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by samsard(m): 8:19am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Although universities are more theoretically and management oriented, those who say universities don't do practicals are probably blind or just plain ignorant. They should also note that universities are not vocational education centres. Jakara, it would help your cause more if you provided verifiable and objective points. What you are currently doing is an attempt at stirring up sentiments. As for those working in the ministry of interior, they knew the terms of employment before accepting to be employed there and should thus live with it or resign. That they handle weapons shouldn't change anything. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by sexynabila(f): 8:20am On Jul 05, 2015 |
tonytony208:hahahaha... u falll ur hand big time....if u r so educated...u shuld kw his spelling is correct...smh |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by perryy(m): 8:23am On Jul 05, 2015 |
barrnchedo: Don't mind the half educated fellow. I asked him the meaning of simple and correct English. I am a proud polytechnics graduate and a self made millionaire, I never allowed this discrimination to stop my dream. I am a victim of the mad discrimination. where I worked , I did all the writings, but because of my certificate, I was left in situ for eight years despite many recommendations from my immediate boss who "knows" my worth. During all the trainings organised by the the company, I always showed exceptional attributes to the admiration of all,yet no promotion just because of the useless dichotomy between BSC and HND. Many polytechnics graduates are actually bad, same with many university students / graduates. The best test of graduates intelligence ought not to be the 'paper' they wield but their performances in aptitude tests and if already employed, on the job tests . It is saddening that a colleague of yours who cannot even answer a query without your help is two levels ahead of you all because of his/her paper qualifications. In the office, you are being adored and admired by your colleagues by virtue of your intelligence, yet management won't recognise your worth because of your HND. Sad! Well, while I won't call for outright equalisation of HND and BSc, I believe there should be remedial examinations for HND holders, that whoever is it that passed it, will have their HND converted to BSc. With this, the injustice that have been done to people like us, who have worked our finger sore to educate and distinguished ourselves and for one reason or the other, found ourselves in the polytechnics, will be remedied. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by ndidibabe(f): 8:23am On Jul 05, 2015 |
tonytony208:My friend, spelling is not a big deal when you use a platform like this. It could be auto-corrected. However, the poster could have made a mistake. Do not be overconfident about your written English. Did you see where you used a conjunction after a full stop? I am sure you don't know that's wrong. "You have for no authority"? What sort of English is that? I am not here to defend anyone. In fact, the HND guy should stop thinking his certificate is the same as a degree. It is not so anywhere in the world. Rather, he should earnest possible means of improving his qualification. Some of my HND colleagues at Access Bank are quite smart and sometimes, i wonder why they couldn't make it to the University. I pity them a lot because of their very poor salary. However, the fact that you attended a mushroom University doesn't mean you are better than any of these guys. 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by bigerboy200: 8:24am On Jul 05, 2015 |
hotgunz:what makes u a licensed and certified engr?? The fact u boss them at work isn't a criteria to make u feel u are better off...in as much as i don't fancy discrimination btwn poly graduates and Bsc holders, it would be most unfair to feel most ploy graduates are much better off than Bsc holders...In a professional enviroment( not ministry of interior ohh,where no defined and professional Job description,),there are Jobs meant for technicians and Jobs meant for engineers..u don't expect a technician to do an enginner's Job and vice versa..i am a scientist,i don't expect a technologist to overlap my functions ,just as i won't overlap his...so let's not feel anyway inferior or superior to anyone..in d end,we all shall survive and b better off in our various callings.. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Nobody: 8:25am On Jul 05, 2015 |
neocortex:This is the origin of the problem... Popoolaoladayo:Alot of polytechnic grad chose the polytechnics as a last resort either because of low waec scores or jamb scores. They easily forgot that both institution are set up for different objectives. In advanced countries using Canada as an example, the citizens know the difference between the two and usually go for whatever they have interest in (although some attend polytechnics because of low scores too but have a chance to transfer to university after completing their diploma if they score at least an average of 70%. Although it would take another two years to get a degree). 1 Like |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by hotgunz(m): 8:25am On Jul 05, 2015 |
lonelydora:you see how stupid u re shame on you s called technologist and dont get it twisťed I rep and u dont, jst take it u nt in my league....EOD. Hv a nice day |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Gimmy(m): 8:31am On Jul 05, 2015 |
tonytony208:''which polytechnic did you graduate from? Now as a BSc holder,are you suppose to use ''graduate or graduated''? Nobody is above a simple mistake. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by hotgunz(m): 8:32am On Jul 05, 2015 |
bigerboy200:in Engineerin my frd how can u called sumone dt can't connect a point of light an engineer? We talkin bout practical here nt theory. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by perryy(m): 8:32am On Jul 05, 2015 |
ndidibabe: Good one for the eediot. Sound people like you are not hard to know. They are empathic and reasonable unlike the guy above who believe that because he happened to be a university graduate, he is better than every polytechnic graduate. I'm a polytechnics graduate and I can defeat the proud ass in both written and oral debates in any field. Thumps up dude. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by bigerboy200: 8:33am On Jul 05, 2015 |
ndidibabe:Here u go again...what makes a university mushroom??huuuh?? So in other words, some degrees are of less value than some othersso Someone from d so called mushroom univ can't b better off in terms of efficiency,competence and intellectual ability than someone from the ''correct university'' ??. It's a shame that discrimination has come to stay in Nigeria..we all have to change our mode of reasoning.. It begins with u and me...cheers |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by swimcash(m): 8:37am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Jakara:y complicate life? everi1 knws abt d descrimination frm d onset n yet det choose 2 attend poly instead if uni, cos ita easier 2 gain admission n cos sum if den could nt meet up wit d 5credit required. wen obasanjo tried makin it equal he did nt susceed cos even d lecturers un poly kick against it. bro, u futherin ur educatn was because u knew B.sc wil always subpass hnd, lets odas wit hnd do likewise instead of askin 4 d impossible. its dosent seems ryt comparin both, so i advise pple wit hnd 2 try n futher dere educatn instead of makin noise n seekin 4 d impossible |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by bigerboy200: 8:37am On Jul 05, 2015 |
perryy:On a lighter note tho ''I'm a POLYTECHNICS graduate??''....i know it's a typo error sha...lol.. but u sound over confident...just chill..never feel superior or inferior to anyone..never never.. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Nobody: 8:37am On Jul 05, 2015 |
hotgunz:Dude..easy mehn... ....it is not the job of an engineer to connect a point of light or mess around with screw drivers or air tools, some engineers can't even differentiate a pipe wrench from an adjustable wrench.. . That is for the technicians who are supervised by technologist who are in turn supervised by engineers. Engineers are usually project managers and are not meant to have too much hands-on experience. They are the brain behind the project. In Canada or most developed countries, engineers don't even design or draft like they do in Nigeria, that is the work of technologists popularly called engineers assistants...Engineers review the drawing and either reject or approve the design/draft so that the project can go ahead. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Popoolaoladayo(m): 8:38am On Jul 05, 2015 |
In the first place, it is important to note that the two systems are not the same and can never be the same. One is also not an alternative to the other. Polytechnic education is purely a techno-scientific education. This is in contrast to that of the university that is predominantly academic. The meaning of this is that while polytechnic education concentrates on technical cum scientific education and at the same time providing the nation and economy with the much needed and indispensable middle level manpower, the university concentrates on academic work and research. The result of their academic and research work is exactly what the polytechnic cadre puts into a practical form. For instance, an Electronics/Electrical Engineering graduate from the university can sit down on a table and plan how a given building can be wired. He is not expected to do the wiring himself. The wiring, which is a practical aspect, is now the responsibility of the polytechnic Electronic/Electrical Engineering graduate. The argument here is that while polytechnic education is more of practical, The Bachelor’s Degree also known as “Baccalaureate” in many countries. The word baccalaureate is a distorted version of German word “Bakkalaureus.” The Bachelor’s degree was first awarded in Germany, but was later abolished. The degree resurfaced in 1820, however, as part of a change in the higher education system. A Bachelor’s degree is an undergraduate academic degree. The name “Bachelor” was given to the degree because of the English word “Bachelor” meaning young apprentice (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007).that of the university is theoretical. Polytechnic education is, for instance, 60 per cent practical and 40 percent theoretical while that of the university is vice versa. This little explanation is a pure pointer to the fact that both educational systems are not the same or is one an alternative to the other. Therefore, a student who is opting for the polytechnic education should bear in mind that he is opting for a practical- oriented education. He can only switch to the university if he wants to go academic or theoretical. In a nutshell, one does not enter a polytechnic as a last resort. It is a different educational system with its own mission, vision and, of course, a clear objective. Countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and many developed economies rely deeply on skilled and technical education despite knowing that the university education has an edge over the polytechnic education.Both qualifications work hand in hand because they compliment each other.The government of Nigeria should apply Adams Stacy's equity theory so as to give a positive end result in organizational goals.More so course content of both the university and the Polytechnic should be interwoven. The discrimination is conspicuous and i know how you feel jakarta.i held the bull by the horn by going back to school dumping my two HNDs for PGD.I surged on and today i will affirmatively tell you that i have two masters degrees and a PHD in view.You can even decide to do a top program in any university(it is just one year six month). Finally you will observe that you even have the edge over every because you have the acumen of the practicals and theory in you.IF THE CONTEMPORARY SITUATION IS DOWNGRADING YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT,FIGHT IT HARD TO BEAT THE CONTEMPORARY POLICIES OF THE EDUCATIONAL DICHOTOMY. Jakara: |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by ndidibabe(f): 8:39am On Jul 05, 2015 |
Gimmy:Please stop being ridiculous. You are one of the reasons why the guy is 'molesting' HND guys. You mean he should say "Which Poly did you graduated from?" Haba, don't kill me this morning o. |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by harjibolar10(m): 8:39am On Jul 05, 2015 |
In as much as TECNO can ping the same way BLACKBERRY will, then I see no reason why there should be discrimination between both certificates... Thou, some blackberry users find it difficult to accept that fact, but where are they now? #SayNoToDiscriminationAtAnyLevel 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Hnd/b.sc Holders Discrimination: Irrelevant, Dangerious & Unconstitutional. by Popoolaoladayo(m): 8:40am On Jul 05, 2015 |
In the first place, it is important to note that the two systems are not the same and can never be the same. One is also not an alternative to the other. Polytechnic education is purely a techno-scientific education. This is in contrast to that of the university that is predominantly academic. The meaning of this is that while polytechnic education concentrates on technical cum scientific education and at the same time providing the nation and economy with the much needed and indispensable middle level manpower, the university concentrates on academic work and research. The result of their academic and research work is exactly what the polytechnic cadre puts into a practical form. For instance, an Electronics/Electrical Engineering graduate from the university can sit down on a table and plan how a given building can be wired. He is not expected to do the wiring himself. The wiring, which is a practical aspect, is now the responsibility of the polytechnic Electronic/Electrical Engineering graduate. The argument here is that while polytechnic education is more of practical, The Bachelor’s Degree also known as “Baccalaureate” in many countries. The word baccalaureate is a distorted version of German word “Bakkalaureus.” The Bachelor’s degree was first awarded in Germany, but was later abolished. The degree resurfaced in 1820, however, as part of a change in the higher education system. A Bachelor’s degree is an undergraduate academic degree. The name “Bachelor” was given to the degree because of the English word “Bachelor” meaning young apprentice (Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007).that of the university is theoretical. Polytechnic education is, for instance, 60 per cent practical and 40 percent theoretical while that of the university is vice versa. This little explanation is a pure pointer to the fact that both educational systems are not the same or is one an alternative to the other. Therefore, a student who is opting for the polytechnic education should bear in mind that he is opting for a practical- oriented education. He can only switch to the university if he wants to go academic or theoretical. In a nutshell, one does not enter a polytechnic as a last resort. It is a different educational system with its own mission, vision and, of course, a clear objective. Countries like Japan, Korea, Germany, Australia, Malaysia and many developed economies rely deeply on skilled and technical education despite knowing that the university education has an edge over the polytechnic education.Both qualifications work hand in hand because they compliment each other.The government of Nigeria should apply Adams Stacy's equity theory so as to give a positive end result in organizational goals.More so course content of both the university and the Polytechnic should be interwoven. The discrimination is conspicuous and i know how you feel jakarta.i held the bull by the horn by going back to school dumping my two HNDs for PGD.I surged on and today i will affirmatively tell you that i have two masters degrees and a PHD in view.You can even decide to do a top program in any university(it is just one year six month). Finally you will observe that you even have the edge over every because you have the acumen of the practicals and theory in you.IF THE CONTEMPORARY SITUATION IS DOWNGRADING YOUR EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT,FIGHT IT HARD TO BEAT THE CONTEMPORARY POLICIES OF THE EDUCATIONAL DICHOTOMY. saxywale: |
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