hi all,

i came to share with those who have been accusing the muslim. that in the Qur'an we were told to fight and kill others.

Objective of Jihād
According to the Qur’ān, jihād is carried out primarily to root out persecution which means to force and oppress a person to give up his religion.
The Almighty has created this world to test man by giving him the right to freely choose his religion and ideology. Consequently, any person who forces someone to give up his religion is in fact rebelling against the scheme of the Almighty. So when an Islamic state was established in Madīnah, Muslims were directed to take up arms against people who were responsible for persecuting Muslims and to continue this aggression until persecution was uprooted from Arabia. The following verses forcefully depict this directive:

And what has come over you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town of oppressors, and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help. [You should know that] those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan”. (4:75-6)

A question arises here: Do other forms of injustice and oppression besides persecution also not entail a similar action? The answer to this question is that all forms of oppression against the life and wealth as well as freedom of opinion and expression of Muslims – should be considered under it in various degrees. Consequently, if a group of Muslims commits unwarranted aggression against some of their brothers and does not desist from it even after all attempts of reconciliation, such a group according to the Qur’ān should be fought with:And if two parties or groups among the believers start fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you against the one which outrages until it complies with the command of Allah. Then if it complies, make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are the equitable. The believers are brothers to one another. So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. (49:9-10)

Consequently, today jihād can be launched to curb oppression and injustice whatever be their forms. Also in this matter there is to be no distinction between a Muslim state or a non-Muslim state. It can be launched against either for the purpose of curbing oppression and injustice.

Here it is important to realize that the jihād carried out by the Messengers of God had another dimension which was only specific to them and does not relate to us.

It was governed by a divine law that relates to Messengers of God only. As per this law, once the truth is communicated to the addressees of a messenger to the extent that none of them is left with an excuse to deny it and they still deliberately deny it, then they are punished in this very world by the Almighty in either of the following two ways:

i. through natural calamities like storms and earthquakes
ii. through the swords of the believers

Thus, for example, the people of Noah (sws), the ‘Ād and the Thamūd were punished by the Almighty through natural calamities after they deliberately
rejected the truth communicated to them by their respective Messengers. On the other hand, the people of Arabia in the times of Muh@ammad (sws) were punished through the swords of the believers.

In the first case, when punishment is meted out through natural disasters, we know from the Qur’ān that all the disbelievers are destroyed since they subscribe to polytheism.

In the second case, when punishment is meted out by the followers of the Messengers of God, the polytheists among the disbelievers are only given the
option of accepting faith or facing death, while the monotheists among them are also given the option of living on their own faith provided they remain subservient to the Muslims. Those who profess faith and become the companions of the Messengers are granted success and dominance in this world and promised great reward in the Hereafter as well. For this very reason, in the jihād carried out by Prophet Muh@ammad (sws) to punish the deliberate rejecters of the truth, while the Idolaters of Arabia were not given any option but to accept Islam if they wanted to live, the People of the Book were given the option of remaining on their faith if they accepted a life of subservience to the Muslims by paying the jizyah tax.

Moreover, it needs to be appreciated that the deliberate denial of the truth by a people can only be disclosed by God since it relates to a person’s intentions. In the times of His Messengers, the Almighty communicated this deliberate denial to them through divine revelation. However, with the departure of the Messengers of God, we can no longer be informed of this deliberate denial because after them divine revelation has ceased. Therefore, today Muslims cannot wage jihād for the purpose of punishing disbelievers for denying the truth. Today the only basis for jihād is to root out oppression and injustice. Since the Qur’ān contains many verses which deal with this dimension of the jihād of the Messengers of God, one must be careful in not extending their area of application beyond the foremost addressees of the Messengers. They do not relate to people after them.

A question here may arise that if this type of jihād does not relate to us, then why is it mentioned in the Qur’ān so much. The answer to this question is that this type of jihād actually substantiates the reward and punishment which is going to take place in the Hereafter. In the Hereafter too, people who deliberately deny the truth will be punished. People need to be reminded of this all important fact. So, by preserving in the Qur’ān, the details of this worldly judgement meted out to the addressees of a Messenger we are reminded to not forget the Day of Judgement; on this day, each and every person will have to face the consequences of his deeds the way the foremost addressees of the Messengers of God did in this world.



so this is the rule of jihad as far as islam is concerned.

so where did u see all those stuff u re writting here.

Here it should be realized that deserting the battlefield of jihād because of
cowardice is totally forbidden. No believer should show such feebleness. It is
tantamount to showing distrust in Allah, giving priority to this world over the next
and trying to make life and death dependent upon one’s own strategy – all of
which cannot exist with true faith.

bilms:

hi all,

i came to share with those who have been accusing the muslim. that in the Qur'an we were told to fight and kill others.

Objective of Jihād
According to the Qur’ān, jihād is carried out primarily to root out persecution which means to force and oppress a person to give up his religion.
The Almighty has created this world to test man by giving him the right to freely choose his religion and ideology. Consequently, any person who forces someone to give up his religion is in fact rebelling against the scheme of the Almighty. So when an Islamic state was established in Madīnah, Muslims were directed to take up arms against people who were responsible for persecuting Muslims and to continue this aggression until persecution was uprooted from Arabia. The following verses forcefully depict this directive:

And what has come over you that you fight not in the cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children whose cry is: “Our Lord! Rescue us from this town of oppressors, and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help. [You should know that] those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satan. So fight against the friends of Satan. Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan”. (4:75-6)

A question arises here: Do other forms of injustice and oppression besides persecution also not entail a similar action? The answer to this question is that all forms of oppression against the life and wealth as well as freedom of opinion and expression of Muslims – should be considered under it in various degrees. Consequently, if a group of Muslims commits unwarranted aggression against some of their brothers and does not desist from it even after all attempts of reconciliation, such a group according to the Qur’ān should be fought with:And if two parties or groups among the believers start fighting, then make peace between them both. But if one of them outrages against the other, then fight you against the one which outrages until it complies with the command of Allah. Then if it complies, make reconciliation between them justly, and be equitable. Verily! Allah loves those who are the equitable. The believers are brothers to one another. So make reconciliation between your brothers, and fear Allah that you may receive mercy. (49:9-10)

Consequently, today jihād can be launched to curb oppression and injustice whatever be their forms. Also in this matter there is to be no distinction between a Muslim state or a non-Muslim state. It can be launched against either for the purpose of curbing oppression and injustice.

Here it is important to realize that the jihād carried out by the Messengers of God had another dimension which was only specific to them and does not relate to us.

It was governed by a divine law that relates to Messengers of God only. As per this law, once the truth is communicated to the addressees of a messenger to the extent that none of them is left with an excuse to deny it and they still deliberately deny it, then they are punished in this very world by the Almighty in either of the following two ways:

i. through natural calamities like storms and earthquakes
ii. through the swords of the believers

Thus, for example, the people of Noah (sws), the ‘Ād and the Thamūd were punished by the Almighty through natural calamities after they deliberately
rejected the truth communicated to them by their respective Messengers. On the other hand, the people of Arabia in the times of Muh@ammad (sws) were punished through the swords of the believers.

In the first case, when punishment is meted out through natural disasters, we know from the Qur’ān that all the disbelievers are destroyed since they subscribe to polytheism.

In the second case, when punishment is meted out by the followers of the Messengers of God, the polytheists among the disbelievers are only given the
option of accepting faith or facing death, while the monotheists among them are also given the option of living on their own faith provided they remain subservient to the Muslims. Those who profess faith and become the companions of the Messengers are granted success and dominance in this world and promised great reward in the Hereafter as well. For this very reason, in the jihād carried out by Prophet Muh@ammad (sws) to punish the deliberate rejecters of the truth, while the Idolaters of Arabia were not given any option but to accept Islam if they wanted to live, the People of the Book were given the option of remaining on their faith if they accepted a life of subservience to the Muslims by paying the jizyah tax.

Moreover, it needs to be appreciated that the deliberate denial of the truth by a people can only be disclosed by God since it relates to a person’s intentions. In the times of His Messengers, the Almighty communicated this deliberate denial to them through divine revelation. However, with the departure of the Messengers of God, we can no longer be informed of this deliberate denial because after them divine revelation has ceased. Therefore, today Muslims cannot wage jihād for the purpose of punishing disbelievers for denying the truth. Today the only basis for jihād is to root out oppression and injustice. Since the Qur’ān contains many verses which deal with this dimension of the jihād of the Messengers of God, one must be careful in not extending their area of application beyond the foremost addressees of the Messengers. They do not relate to people after them.

A question here may arise that if this type of jihād does not relate to us, then why is it mentioned in the Qur’ān so much. The answer to this question is that this type of jihād actually substantiates the reward and punishment which is going to take place in the Hereafter. In the Hereafter too, people who deliberately deny the truth will be punished. People need to be reminded of this all important fact. So, by preserving in the Qur’ān, the details of this worldly judgement meted out to the addressees of a Messenger we are reminded to not forget the Day of Judgement; on this day, each and every person will have to face the consequences of his deeds the way the foremost addressees of the Messengers of God did in this world.



so this is the rule of jihad as far as islam is concerned.

so where did u see all those stuff u re writting here.

So what is your point?? Are muslims allowed to blow up themselves in the name of 'Jihad'?

Or Kill a former muslim who converts to another religion?



https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria?topic=233082.msg3568961#msg3568961

u can get the answer to ur question from the thread.

I will like to accept the concept of jihad as a personal struggle towards submission to the will of Allah as taught by the prophet Muhammad(pbh). The warfare aspect i still find very difficult to stomack in the light of recent world events. The commandment : Thou shall not kill will remain my guide since it was handed down through one of the genuine prophets of the Almighty,and since the Almighty was and is still perfect that commandment will for eternity remain Valid. Peace

Unfortunately, the charged atmosphere engendered by the Sept. 11 tragedy has prompted media opinions, based on some Qur'anic verses that are misquoted and taken out of context, that the Qur'an promotes violence.
Cal Thomas, a columnist for the Washington [DC] Times, did just this in his Oct. 3rd article "Can we be fooled twice?" For example, he presents only part of 5:85: "among those most hostile to the Believers you will find Jews and Pagans. . . " One wonders why he does not complete it: ". . . and nearest among them in love to the Believers you will find those who say: 'We are Christians,' because among them you find men devoted to learning, men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant."

Thomas quotes part of 9:5: ". . . then fight and slay the Pagans wherever find them. Seize them, besiege them, and lie in wait for them." However, when read in its full context, verses 1-5, the meaning is quite different.

Islam does not allow or sanctify the killing any innocent person regardless of his or her religion. According to the Qur'an and Hadith (sayings of Prophet Muhammad) life is sacrosanct.

We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly, We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all humanity. (See 5:32.)

Other critics of Islam found: "Kill them wherever you catch them. . . " (2:191), ". . . But if they turn away, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." (4:89), and similar verses.

When placed within their textual and historical contexts, however, their true meanings emerge:

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits, for Allah does not love transgressors. Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there. If they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression and justice and faith in Allah prevail. If they cease, engage in hostility only against those who practice oppression. There is the law of equality of for the prohibited months, and so for all things prohibited. If any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress likewise against him. But be conscious of Allah and know that He is with those who restrain themselves" (2:190-194).

The other verses read: "They hope that you will reject faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they). So do not take friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). If they become renegades, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. (In any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks, except for those who join a group with whom you have a (peace) treaty or those who approach you with hearts calling upon them to be neutral. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you and they would have fought you. So if they withdraw from you and do not fight you, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah has opened no way for you (to fight them). You will find others who wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people. Every time they are sent back to temptation they succumb to it. If they do not withdraw from you or give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and kill them wherever you find them. In their case, We have provided you with a clear argument against them" (4:89-91).

Nowhere do these verses give general permission to kill any one. They were revealed to Prophet Muhammad at the time when the nonbelievers were attacking Makkah's Muslims and threatening those in Madinah. In contemporary jargon we may say that as the Muslims were subject to constant terrorist attacks on Madinah, Allah allowed them to defend themselves. These verses do not allow Muslims to engage in terrorism; rather, they are warnings against terrorism, but they also contain clear calls for restraint and care.

Religious texts, if not read within their proper textual and historical contexts, are easily manipulated and distorted. Let us look at the Bible and apply the standards applied above.

In Deuteronomy, the fifth book of the Torah, Moses shares this message from God as the Israelites prepare to enter the Promised Land: "I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the long-haired heads of the enemy." (Deut. 32:42)

"When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land that you are entering to possess, and clears away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and stronger than you. And when the Lord, your God, delivers them before you and you defeat them, destroy them utterly. Make no covenant with them and show no mercy to them" (Deuteronomy 7:1-2).

"When your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend who is as your own soul, entices you secretly, saying 'Let us go and serve other gods,' . . . you shall kill him, your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God. . . " (Deuteronomy 13: 6-10)

"When you approach a city to fight it, offer it terms of peace. If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, all the people found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, besiege it. When the Lord your God gives it into your hand, kill all the men in it. Take as booty only the women, children, animals, and all that is in the city, all its spoils. Use the spoils of your enemies which the Lord your God has given you. . . Only in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deuteronomy 20:10-17).

"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But spare for yourselves all virgin maidens" (Numbers 31:17-18).

"I will send my terror in front of you. . . you shall utterly demolish them and break their pillars in pieces" (Exodus 23: 23-24, 27).

The New Testament attributes the following statements to Jesus:

"Do not think that I have come to send peace on Earth. I did not come to send peace, but a sword. I am sent to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law" (Mathew 10:34-35).

"I say to you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. As for my enemies who do not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence" (Luke 19:26-27).

There are dozens of other verses that, if taken out from their historical context, seem to favor violence. Some violent Muslim groups misuse the Qur'anic verses just as various violent Jewish and Christian groups have used them to justify their causes. The Crusaders used them against Muslims and Jews. The Nazis used them against Jews. Serbian Christians used them against Bosnian Muslims, and Zionists regularly use them against Palestinians. David Koresh, Jim Jones, and Baruch Goldstein all relied on religious texts to justify their violence.

Muslims believe in all Prophets sent by Allah, and so do not misuse or misinterpret the religious texts of other faiths in order to defame them. Even in recent times, Muslims have and are facing genocidal campaigns in Bosnia, Kosova, Chechnia, Kashmir, and PalestineÑbut they have not questioned Judaism and Christianity. Such a spirit needs to be reciprocated.

u need special hospital attension,

u need special hospital attension,

;DHa Ha Ha bilms, are angry for your prophet, or is it not fact, then prove it. You see you have said some wrong words to me just because of that derilious whoremonger called muhammad. Well I leave you to the court of the Almighty God. You were supposed to prove me wrong but now you have just given me another hedge over islam about how you people react. You don't want your religion to be soiled but want to eradicate every outa of truth that proves it wrong. abi. thanks for the confirmation. but remember do unto others what you want others to do unto you. k cos i am

@Kodak abi na Todak

Are you prepared for honest debate? If so, preasent you issues one at a time and we discuss using the books as our back up.

If you are ready, you hazve my support. I dont have time for lies

listen todak, i am sorry if i have insulted u,

but i have never make an insult on anybody on this forum b4.

but next time when u want to table a debate, u will table it reasonably not just sending nonsense here.

DHa Ha Ha bilms, are angry for your prophet, or is it not fact, then prove it.

prove what, u posted nonsense, so when u are ready for a debate, then u can find ur evidence then we can proceed. for ur information, all u posted where false and we cant start a debate based on false evidence.

I understand Usman dan fodio and his men were on horse backs sharing chewing gum and singing choruses from Sokoto to Ibadan.
make una take small small dey lie na
we no be childrens

**osisi:

I understand Usman dan fodio and his men were on horse backs sharing chewing gum and singing choruses from Sokoto to Ibadan.
make una take small small dey lie na
we no be childrens

There was ISLAM from Sokoto to Ibadan since before Usman dan Fodio was born.

@babs787
Good challenge, I have presented what i have, You can go ahead to prove me wrong. @ bilms
listen todak, i am sorry if i have insulted u, but i have never make an insult on anybody on this forum b4.

@ Bilms

Apology accepted
but next time when u want to table a debate, u will table it reasonably not just sending nonsense here.

Please tell me, how else to present my case, My teacher

prove what, u posted nonsense, so when u are ready for a debate, then u can find ur evidence then we can proceed. for ur information, all u posted where false

Tell me, what nonsense did I post, is it a lie that muhammed slept with a 6 yrs old girl, or the raids, killings, looting, well that might not be in the Quran, but history has that to tell. and you have to prove to me that it was false or explain to cover for your prophet.

and we cant start a debate based on false evidence.
Then, give me the true evidence, you liar.

Brothers and sisters don't let us sweet talk the Kafrs as my Sheikhs call it "pleasing the Kafrs". Jihad is an exclusive war against those that fight the believers. This personal struggle in the name of Jihad is just the daily one, while the main Jihad is to use your guns, explosives, tanks or planes, and even stones to defend the deen against the aggressive Kafrs. No sweet talking please.

friz,

i really understand u, but u have to remember that the qur'an does not categorize the christians as kafr.


todak.

if u want to get clear, which i no u did, but u re just trying to creat awareness for urself in the name of opposing islam.

so state ur source of information and i will give u clear detaails.

friz,

i really understand u, but u have to remember that the qur'an does not categorize the christians as kafr.


todak.

if u want to get clear, which i no u did, but u re just trying to creat awareness for urself in the name of opposing islam.

so state ur source of information and i will give u clear detaails.

@hmm,

That post doesn't imply that you fight Christians for praying in their church, what it means is that we can't afford to sweet people who kill Muslims. This I mean to fight the armies, and policy makers that advocate the wars upon Muslims in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and also with other crusaders. We don't have to seek peace if the only thing they understand is battle. I just marvel when the U.S wages war upon movements that want to reestablish an Islamic State-- you see the hypocrites among Muslims shouting that this people are extremists and ought not to be identified with Islam. Yet if they are successful for they will be, then the hypocrites that condemn Jihad will say: "if not that we were making dawah, could you have accomplished this?" . Allah knows, Allah knows.

@ bilms

Really, now you are diverting atention to me, for telling the truth, , oh what a shame, is it that you lack what to say, or you do not know what you profess you are?. Hey, for your information, i'm not totally against islam, all i want i evidence of that true religion, or else you have to swallow your mess and accept my judgment. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha .

@ frizy
Please tell bilms to explain those who are Karfs for all to know

@Todak

Good challenge, I have presented what i have, You can go ahead to prove me wrong. @ bilms
listen todak, i am sorry if i have insulted u, but i have never make an insult on anybody on this forum b4.

Thanks for the response. I have not been around. Could you please post them one at a time and we discuss?

@ topic
Jihad is the inhuman killing of defenseless people in the name of a violent allah and his paedophile messenger mohammed.

Noetic

Jihad is the inhuman killing of defenseless people in the name of a violent allah and his paedophile messenger mohammed.

LIAR. Table your facts and we discuss.

babs787:

Noetic


LIAR. Table your facts and we discuss.

what facts do u want? is that not stated in ur koran? is this not happening in gaza? is this not d basis of 9/11?

u r an uninformed coward. go ask ur alfa.

@Noetic

what facts do u want?

From you of course after posting your hogwash

is that not stated in ur koran?

Could you furnish me that ASAP from my book while I take you down OT.

is this not happening in gaza? is this not d basis of 9/11?

Olodo, you lacked knowledge and when you are ready for enlightenment, signify and wouldtake you through atrocities committed by your folks to minority Muslims and continues ravaged by your people.

u r an uninformed coward. go ask ur alfa.

Olodo, just like David, Todak. The above should instil sense into your skull. Tkae meu p on the above and we use your book as support too.

OLODO.

babs787:

@Noetic

From you of course after posting your hogwash

Could you furnish me that ASAP from my book while I take you down OT.

Olodo, you lacked knowledge and when you are ready for enlightenment, signify and wouldtake you through atrocities committed by your folks to minority Muslims and continues ravaged by your people.

u r an uninformed coward. go ask ur alfa.

Olodo, just like David, Todak. The above should instil sense into your skull. Tkae meu p on the above and we use your book as support too.

OLODO.

Fine. I m olodo according to u, so u r d genius.

genius pls answer my questions in the other thread.

You dont have to compel me to do that.You leveled allegation which i called lies and propaganda and ASKED you to provide facts to your allegation and once you are able to do that,you have me debating with you

babs787:

You dont have to compel me to do that.You leveled allegation which i called lies and propaganda and ASKED you to provide facts to your allegation and once you are able to do that,you have me debating with you

ignorant idiot.

So why have u been ranting all along?

Greatest fool and retarded noetic. I know from day one that you cannot use your feather weight brain to discuss in a mature way. Go read my posts and how i have been dealing with LIARS like you. You posted thrash and I told that they are lies in which you couldnt argue further by supplying your facts. Bloody liar and olodo. I am still around the corner to read another set of lies from your deluded author(s) in that site you posted and would assist in giving you more of that sites so that you would arm yourself with enough propaganda against me

@Todak
Thanks for the information about the Quran todak. i have never read it before.

is it really true that Mohammed married and had sex with a six year old girl?

if it is, can a believer in Islam please explain this to me because i find this truly sickening. And also, taking the wife of his son in law. How can this be morally justified?

Is it also true that a suicide bomber is rewarded with 71 virgins in heaven? That sounds pretty disgusting and i feel sorry for the poor 'bloody' virgins. But what if it was a female suicide bomber, is she rewarded with 71 male virgins?

Why is there so much emphasis based on the fulfilment of repressed immoral sexual fantasies?

Respects

@babs787

It pains me so much that you have fallen victim of a realistic mistake in the history of mankind, i really feel pity for you, you seems to be adamant, and the blodd fluid of the last prophet has been injected into you. You are supposed to see the light, but you rather see thick darkness, you are suppose to follow the way, but you left the way, you have bee blinded by what physical pleasure can give, which is the main aim of islam, christianity sees far above that even beyound your imagination, like tha question i asked you in this post (Question And Answer), which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father. i think you know which is the right choice only you do not want to but not that you are not willing to , only bound by the boundless and unimaginable forces of islam. sorry man, but you can still be free.
But where is your pal, bilms, oh he could not handle the infuse of the evidence i bought , so he called you to help him out, well pls tell him, i said he is a coward and a frik.

@noetic
God bless you my brother, we are only doing what God commanded we should do "Go ye into the world and preach the gospel", pls let us pray for them, so that they will change, we can only try, only God can perfect them. takkia.

@mantraa
well, i want to know which side are you, cos the way you asked me, you seems surprised and still yet not a christian, though i may be wrong, but pls i will like to know

@Todak

It pains me so much that you have fallen victim of a realistic mistake in the history of mankind, i really feel pity for you, you seems to be adamant, and the blodd fluid of the last prophet has been injected into you. You are supposed to see the light, but you rather see thick darkness, you are suppose to follow the way, but you left the way, you have bee blinded by what physical pleasure can give, which is the main aim of islam, christianity sees far above that even beyound your imagination, like tha question i asked you in this post (Question And Answer), which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father.

Come off it dude. In case you just joined NL, I was lost like you before I reverted to Islam and I am sure that I have been reading the bible ever before you were born (thats the fact) and still readin now. I asked you to give me one at a time and we thrash it out but you never did that and since you couldnt, let me challenge you again, which one do you want us to take for a start?

Lets set the ball rolling please.

which do you prefer to be, a slave or an heir to your father.

Could you please explain these verses to me?

16Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

20When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness.

22But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, [/b]the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.[b]

i think you know which is the right choice only you do not want to but not that you are not willing to , only bound by the boundless and unimaginable forces of islam. sorry man, but you can still be free.

I know the right choice hence me leaving the darkness for light (Islam)

But where is your pal, bilms, oh he could not handle the infuse of the evidence i bought , so he called you to help him out, well pls tell him, i said he is a coward and a frik.

Once again, which do you want us to discuss now?

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"@mantraa
well, i want to know which side are you, cos the way you asked me, you seems surprised and  still yet not a christian, though i may be wrong, but pls i will like to know"

I am on no ones 'side'. I am a human being just like any christian, muslim, or non believer. We are all the same and equal in god's eyes.
Think about it,  I know you will find it impossible to agree with me.     

respects