Going through Nigeria newspapers this week nothing exciting as usaul then out of the blue came the news that the presidency has instructed the IGP to deploy police detachments to every LG HQ in ondo state. The reason been that the action of the state's Governor was not only illegal and unconstitutional but it is outright stupid to me. When I first read that the Governor has sacked all the duly elected LG Chairmen (even though we all know the elections was probably rigged but that is not the issue here ) I said to myself that cannot be, it is illegal the Governor has not got the power to do that, but then, I later convince myself anything is possible in Nigeria. Yaradua - Our Mr due process president realise the Governor has made a fundermental error and striked like a boa constricture that has been monitoring its prey this singular act is a master stroke if not maradonic in nature.

The Governors Argument

1. The Goverment that authorised the election was an illegal Goverment hence the election is illegal and should be declared null and void.

2. This argument has holes written all over it, does it mean if the Agagu goverment builds and commisions a mordern hospital in Akure, the goverment of Mimiko would tear down the hospital because it was built and commisioned by an illega goverment. Basically Mimiko has shot himself in the foot and would have to dine with the devil. With all LG''s controlled by PDP and PDP been the majority in the house the Governor is at their mercy.

We wait to see Yardua's next move.[b][/b]

@ poster

as you CAN see you are LAWYER, JUDGE AND EXECUTIONER

LOL

KnowAll:

I am a political animal, I just love the the twist and turn of this particular case one minute you have a Governor who after winning in the courts promising heaven and earth only to shoot himself in the foot a few weeks after his coranation. And the crowning of the cake of this melody is he is now at the mercy of his political enemies what a turnaround, fantastic this is pure politics and democracy played at is very best.

Are you for real?
How can a sane nigerian fall in love with the huge mess you call twist and turn? Are nigerians not tired yet?

Lawd have mercy.

Are you for real?
How can a sane nigerian fall in love with the huge mess you call twist and turn? Are nigerians not tired yet?

Lawd have mercy.

The twist and turn only arose because of the unruly, uncostitutional and unthoughtful behaiviour of the Governor. You cannot blame Nigerians for that.

KnowAll:

The twist and turn only arose because of the unruly, uncostitutional and unthoughtful behaiviour of the Governor. You cannot blame Nigerians for that.[/color]

The twist and turns and how it all came about is one thing and I encourage nigerians to work on it. But for you and most nigerians to be loving these twist and turns is unthinkable.

I rather have you apologize to sane Nigerians immediately instead of defending such a ridiculous statement.

@ Nuzo

Twist are turns is politics and that is how is played in every democracy, twist and turns has been part of politcs since the begining of time. The problem with Nigerians and people like you is that you have become so accustomed to dictatorship ( Abacha type of rule, turn left u go u turn left, turn right u go turn right ) that u have not the slightest clue how politics is played or how it is to be played. If the same scenerio( ondo state issue ) happens in a PDP state where u have a PDP Governor it will be a different outcome. Do you know politics is a game

KnowAll:

@ Nuzo

Twist are turns is politics and that is how is played in every democracy, twist and turns has been part of politcs since the begining of time. The problem with Nigerians and people like you is that you have become so accustomed to dictatorship ( Abacha type of rule, turn left u go u turn left, turn right u go turn right ) that u have not the slightest clue how politics is played or how it is to be played. If the same scenerio( ondo state issue ) happens in a PDP state where u have a PDP Governor it will be a different outcome. Do you know politics is a game 

What makes you think you've not wasted your time typing this lecture of how dirty twist and turn politics is a game in nigeria when tomatoe sellers already know it?
Now, that is not my problem; my problem is finding out what motivated you to be in love with such a dirty twist and turn politics?
Are you Adedibu's grandson?

Now, that is not my problem; my problem is finding out what motivated you to be in love with such a dirty twist and turn politics?


dirty twist and turn politics? - The proper name of twist and turn in this context in politics is politicking but to a lay man it is twist and turn, I dont see any reason why u getting so worked up and confused by a simple usage of words, u are derailing the thread by going off topic.

KnowAll:

The proper name of twist and turn in this context in politics is politicking but to a lay man it is twist and turn, I dont see any reason why u getting so worked up and confused by a simple usage of words, u are derailing the thread by going off topic.[/color]

Twist + turn + madness + thuggry = Politicking. We already know this and we also understand why it is this way in nigeria.
What is getting me worked up is for people like you to come up here and bravely state that you are in love with such a mess.

Accept that you must have been loving the wrong thing and just move on with your thread.

@Nuzo

The presidency as one of the custodians of our constitution has identified the errors of an unruly Governor and acted fast in stopping the illegality. You call this “I am in love with such a mess” , having already told u I am a political animal, If this is not politics of the highest level then what is politics. Clearly I can see politics is not your thing and I will suggest your passion might lie in some other threads have you tried the sexuality or romance thread, you might be of more help there than here.

KnowAll:

[color=#000099]it is illegal the Governor has not got the power to do that

The Governors Argument[/b]

[color=#000099]1. The Goverment that authorised the election was an illegal Goverment hence the election is illegal and should be declared null and void.

There was an existing court order against the conduct of the local government elections in the first place. . .that is Mimiko's Argument.

Yar'Adua is a confused as his health would have him express his confusion. . . . . .

A real pity for a country dat needs strong ,vibrant leadership in this hour of need !!!

"Yar'Adua is a confused as his health would have him express his confusion. . . . . .

A real pity for a country dat needs strong ,vibrant leadership in this hour of need !!!"

His due process worked on this occassion and we should commend him for a job well done.

KnowAll:

His due process worked on this occassion and we should commend him for a job well done. [/color]

Which due process??

Go through th Nigerian constitution and seek out who has jurisdiction over LGs??

Rather than send the police men to battle armed robbers in Oyo state,he's deceiving himself with all these shenanigans??

Its very simple,if you feel the governor has violated any law you get a restraining order from the courts,you can't be taking sides just because you are responsible for appointing the equally inept IG of police.

It may take time ,but the nigerian people will overcome all these none-entities we call leaders !

Which due process??

Go through th Nigerian constitution and find ou who has jurisdiction over LGs??

Rather than send the police men to battle armed robber in Oyo state,he's deceiving himself with all these shenanigans??

Its very simple,if you feel the governor has violated any law you get a restraining order dfrom the courts,you can't be taking side just because you appoint the inept IG of police.

It may take time ,but the nigerian people will overcome all these none-entities we call leaders !

I think every single one of those Chairmen and women have the same mandate to their constituency as the Governor himself, if Yardua did not act a precedent would have been established and grassroot democracy would have taken a big knock. We should commend the precedent for his quick reation even though it is politically motivated but there you go again that is politics.

Mr knowall have you finished perfecting your strategy to come back to nigeria to loot your constituency?

Mr knowall have you finished perfecting your strategy to come back to nigeria to loot your constituency?

I am afraid your comment is not adding any value to this thread this is a personal attack, I will ignore such comment next time.

like the previous comments,i also belive you have turned yourself to judge,jury and executioner including the mortician back to the topic however the governor has not erred in law by sacking the local government officials because it stands to reason that if agagu is illegal,then all the orders given are illegal as well,secondly the law makes provision of a governor to dissolve thembesides its in court so if they are so sure of themselves,they should allow the court to determine their stance rather than taking the law into their hands

KnowAll:

Which due process??

Go through th Nigerian constitution and find ou who has jurisdiction over LGs??

Rather than send the police men to battle armed robber in Oyo state,he's deceiving himself with all these shenanigans??

Its very simple,if you feel the governor has violated any law you get a restraining order dfrom the courts,you can't be taking side just because you appoint the inept IG of police.

It may take time ,but the nigerian people will overcome all these none-entities we call leaders !

I think every single one of those Chairmen and women have the same mandate to their constituency as the Governor himself, if Yardua did not act a precedent would have been established and grassroot democracy would have taken a big knock. We should commend the precedent for his quick reation even though it is politically motivated but there you go again that is politics.

Under the constitution(1999) The state govt is empowered with the sole responsibility of creating local government and overseeing them the only clause there which was argued out in the case of LAGOS GOVT VERSUS FED GOVT during The Tinubu Era was the aspect of the constitution that gave the sole responsibility of funding local govt to the Fed Govt.It is still a bone of contention today and it formed part of the basis for constitution review clamour.
MY point here is that President Yar'adua has NO constitutional right to meddle into the affairs of local govt unless empowered by the proclamation of the judiciary.
Gov.Mimiko exercised his constitutional right by freezing local govt accounts when he resumed but he erred in judgement when he failed to carry the State House Assembly along pertaining the dissolution.
We cannot also admit he totally erred until proven so by the Court after all,His grounds that a restraining order against the L/G election existed before it was carried out is a valid ground also.
So, It's now the duty of the Court to decide the legality or otherwise of his action.
Finally I say this again, President Yar'adua has NO right to meddle in the affairs of Local Governments!!
The Constitution made that clear but THIS IS NIGERIA!

@Ifeleke

Yaradua is not meddling with the affairs of Ondo state he is only allowing the status quo to remain as it is, until such time that 2/3 of the house decides or the court decides the final out come. The presidency will however abide by what the courts decides or HSA . It can be assumed that the presidency has capitalised on the Governors error to reverse the Govermors pronoucement therby underming his authority in the state.

KnowAll:

@Ifeleke

Yaradua is not meddling with the affairs of Ondo state he is only allowing the status quo to remain as it is, until such time that 2/3 of the house decides or the court decides the final out come. The presidency will however abide by what the courts decides or HSA . It can be assumed that the presidency has capitalised on the Governors error to reverse the Govermors pronoucement therby underming his authority in the state.

You don't seem to get this right,
The Governor can dissolve by Executive Order but He must duly notify the House of his intentions.
In case of dispute over this,The State Judiciary comes in and gives an Interim Order which both parties must abide with until the outcome of the dispute is duly settled by the court. . . That is separation of Power
Now where does President Yar'adua come into this?
The President can override this existing status quo if the state is no longer conducive and if it t[b]hreatens the national unity[/b] and the only option/power ( constitutionally) he has on this is His power to declare[b] A State Of Emergency[/b] is such state.
Upon this declaration,He can now deploy policemen or soldiers as the state government seizes to function under this arrangement.
Finally, I say Again, President Yar'adua has NO right whatsoever
Hope you get it

The Governor can dissolve by Executive Order but He must duly notify the House of his intentions

A Governor can only dissolve by executive order if 2/3 of the house of Assembly are in agreement. The Governor has no such power to dissolves LG willy nilly. The house here is a PDP dominated house, you dont seem know the political landscape here you are looking at it from a general perspective, but when a Governor is refered to as a lame duck his power to influenec the house of assembly diminishes considerably.

KnowAll:


The Governor can dissolve by Executive Order but He must duly notify the House of his intentions

A Governor can only dissolve by executive order if 2/3 of the house of Assembly are in agreement. The Governor has no such power to dissolves LG willy nilly. The house here is a PDP dominated house, you dont seem know the political landscape here you are looking at it from a general perspective, but when a Governor is refered to as a lame duck his power to influenec the house of assembly diminishes considerably.

You are the one talking from a general perspective.
if you get my last post very well you will understand that i said he can.

IFELEKE:

You don't seem to get this right,
The Governor can dissolve by Executive Order but He must duly notify the House of his intentions.[/b]In case of dispute over this,[b]The State Judiciary comes in and gives an Interim Order which both parties must abide with until the outcome of the dispute is duly settled by the court. . . That is separation of Power

After notifying the House,The House decides whether to put it's assent to it or not. that is when issue of 2/3 comes in.
See, We don't need to argue back and forth on this,
I have considerable knowledge on what I am talking about and If you need further references on it, I can provide.
Don't get things mixed up
The Constitution is clear about all this, It's just sad that an average Nigerian Doesnt even know what the constitution says

KnowAll:

I am really not intrested in the theoretical parmutations and specultions of the power bestowed on a Governor. This thread is about what has taken place as of today as it stands now,  that an executive order of a state Governor has be reversed,  the LG Chairmen are back at work, whatever happens in court is a debate for another day. The bottom line is the Governor mis- calculated and his position as a Chief executive of the state has  been seriously compromised.

Then my Friend, You Err In Judgement because your argument doesnt even correlate with what is on ground in Akure and Abuja.
You don't mix sentiment and party affinity with issues that bothers on governance and from all I have read from you on this issue,I say your arguments lack SUBSTANCE
Either way the judgement goes, I Hope the Court will rule against the Breach of Constitution as regards to the police deployment.
Next Time you want to talk on issues like this,set aside sentiments and argue objectively.
MInd You: Nobody is guilty until proven so by the Law Court.
I rest my case here and I hope you get the message

@
IFELEKE
[b]What are you argueing about : It is your own argument that lacks substance u are totally off course from the the subject matter which is the error of the Governor dissolving the LG and the presidency taking advantage of this error. The issues u are raising are irrelevant to the thread. Issues bothering on what powers the constitution gives the Governor, if u want us to talk about that we will blog from now till Christ comes back, I dont really have the time for something that is off subject.


The are the facts as it stands on the ground as of today

1. The LG Chairmen / women are back to work yes or No

2. But the Chairman of the PDP in the state, Dr. Tayo Dairo, who accused Mimiko of violating the 1999 Constitution, said that the party would not allow the mandate given to council chairmen to be violated. He said that the PDP in the state was averse to “autocratic rule and abuse of power” by Mimiko, whom he described as one of the beneficiaries of the rule of law. -

I made mention of this particular fact the only reason why the presidency acted was the Governor made an error dissolving the LG COUNCILS instead of him allowing for the courts to make a judgement on this issue .

3. The ex-council chiefs had on Monday resumed work almost two weeks after Mimiko announced the dissolution of PDP -controlled LGAs on March 4, 2009. They had claimed that they were ordered back to work by the Presidency and the State House of Assembly. -

I also made it clear that the HSE OF ASSBLY did not in any way supported the Governor's decision, and at least we are in agreement that the Governor needs 2/3 of the house for dissolution to take place.

4. The sacked chairmen who had vowed not to surrender their mandate without a fight were also in the council secretariats on Tuesday. -

Why should they surrender their mandate I made mention of this fact if you go through my thread, did Mimiko surrender his mandate he is also a beneficiary of Yardua's inspired due process.

5. When contacted on the telephone, the chairman of the Association of Local Governments of Nigeria in Ondo State, Chief Adedayo Omolafe, insisted that the councils had not been dissolved. -


That is from the horses mouth LG has not been dissolve, please stop arguing baseless argument.

6. Omolafe, who is also the former chairman of Akure South LGA said, “The only authority that has the power to dissolve the local government is the Ondo State House of Assembly and the House is yet to do anything in that regard. “So, there was no dissolution of local government anywhere in Ondo State.” -

Loud and Clear message the house has not done anything about the issue as it stands today, it may change in the weeks and months to come that is anyone's guess and that is not the issue on this thread.


7. The removed council chiefs had initially obeyed the governor’s order but suddenly resumed work on Monday following what was gathered by our correspondent to be a move by “from Abuja” to prevent the PDP from total “loss of face.” in Ondo State. -


that is why it was a mastroke from the presidency, he knew the Governor had err and he quickly capitalised on his errors, the Governor should surround himself with wiser advisers than he currently have at the moment. .

8. True there is court injuction b4 the LG election took place, that is not the essence of the thread, the essence of the thread is the error of the Governor that is the bone of contention and not the court injuntion.


And like I said the court decision is a debate for another day and irelevant to this thread.