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Re: Pure Description Of Islam by malvisguy212: 2:56pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15:you have no shame ? Apocryphal works ?so your argument "Mary married at the age of 12 was because Apocryphal works indicate it ? Am sorry,your argument is weak. 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Nobody: 4:05pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: You guys are allowing these slaves of mohamed to derail this thread. This thread is about what islam means and not mary's age. |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 5:29pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212:Why is my argument weak?! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Nobody: 5:44pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
abduljabbar4:heeeeeeeee liars from the pit of hellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!! JESUS!!!!!! ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Nobody: 5:56pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
truthman2012:i really love this new name. Its just the BEST name for their god. And indeed, they have been deceived to deceive. I rather be an atheist than be an islamists i tell you sir! It is delusional, waste of time and hypocritical 3 Likes |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by true2god: 6:37pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
adullam210:Lol. Mohammed's allahh called him 'best of mankind'. Nothing person nogo hear for this world. If a man (of 54) slept with a girl of 9 in europe, america or even nigeria, such a man will be cooling of in prison for a crime of pedophiliaa, but the 'best of mankind' slept with a 9yr old girl and his mumu followers are frantically searching the bible to justify the evil of mohammed (the muslims' best of mankind). The 'best of mankind' urged muslims to kill whoever does not accept allahh and mohammed (quran 9:29), urged muslims not to take christians and jews as friends (quran 5:51), and asked muslims to collect jizya from christians and jews and humiliate them (quran 9:29b). The 'best of mankind' called Jews descendants of 'ape and pig' (in the quran) while he described black people as 'RAISIN HEAD' (in the hadith). The islamic best of mankind is also entitled to 20% of his war booties while the sahabas distribute the rest among themselves (a bloody set of war criminals) May God punish mohammed, muslims' best of mankind, for all his atrocities againt humanity. Anyone that take an armed robber, a pedophille and a hate-monger as a prophet need get his head examined. Islam was formed by some set of arab criminals and warriors. 2 Likes |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by truthman2012(m): 7:12pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
true2god: Muhammad is already being punished. Several people including a korean pastor saw him in hell. If his followers do not repent they will find themselves in his position. |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Nobody: 7:17pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
truthman2012:he is the biggest scammer of all times 2 Likes |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 8:02pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
truthman2012:A delusional Christian, you so dull you can believe anything 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by malvisguy212: 8:51pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15:read my thread, see my argument, I don't provide proof from outside the quran and hadith infacte I don't quote from a weak hadith. But qouting from the works of Apocryphal is a weak argument. Let me give you an example of a strong argument: Islam not only allow old men to marry little girls, but they are allow to divorce them : Surah 65:4 “And those of your WOMEN AS HAVE PASSED THE AGE OF MONTHLY COURSES , for them the ‘Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), IS THREE MONTHS , and FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NO COURSE(i.e. THEY ARE STILL IMMARTURE) their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death] . And for those WHO ARE PREGNANT (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their ‘Iddah (prescribed period) IS UNTIL THEY DELIVER (THEIR BURDEN), and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.” (Hilali-Khan) In the first category are the women who have passed the age of menstruation. The waiting period for these women is three months. In the second category are “those who have not menstruated yet.”This group consists of prepubescent girls who have not yet menstruated. The iddah prescribed for them is also three months. It is the divorced wives in this category that will be the subject of our discussion. Lastly are the women who are pregnant. Their prescribed iddah is until they have given birth. As we have noted, the background of Surah 65:4 deals with the issue of the waiting period for the ex-wives after their divorce. This Qur’anic verse lays down rules for divorce and sets the prescribed waiting period after a divorce takes efect. It tells that the waiting period for divorced girls who has not even started their menstrual is three months. As stated earlier, the purpose for this waiting period is to determine if the divorced wife is pregnant or not. If she is found to be pregnant, her iddah lasts until the birth of the child. Can you comprehend the full implication of this single evil verse in the Qur’an? Surah 65:4 is clearly saying that Muslim men can marry (and divorce) little girls who have not yet reached the age of menstruation. This means that according to Islamic theology, Muslim men are not only allowed to marry young children but are also allowed to have sex with them. Since the purpose of the waiting period is to determine pregnancy, this means that Muslim husbands are permitted to engage in sexual intercourse with their prepubescent child wives. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 63: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: “The Prophet said, “Go, I have agreed to marry her to you with what you know of the Qur’an (as her Mahr).” “And for those who have no courses (i.e. they are still immature). (65.4) And the ‘Iddat for the girl before puberty is three months (in the above Verse).” Giving away children who are far too young for marriage became permissible in Islam by reason of the law of Allah in Surah 65:4. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by truthman2012(m): 10:24pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
Demmzy15: Are you surprised? Didn't al-liar (allahh) tell you that all muslims will be inside hell before some will be removed if they do good? [Quran 3:185 Pickthal] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion. |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by trapQ: 10:37pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
Hello?? The bible is our standard in chriatanity. Even if angel Gabriel writes a book claiming its from GOD we would reject it because the bible is the only book we reference. Every other one is counterfeit. No apostle, disciple or prophet married an underaged girl in the bible. Bye Demmzy15: 2 Likes |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 11:07pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
malvisguy212: You've started lying again, so you think all those your cut and sewn verses/hadith are right? O boy face front jor. But qouting from the works of Apocryphal is a weak argument. Why is the "Apocryphal" a weak argument? ![]() Let me give you an example of a strong argument: OK [s]Islam not only allow old men to marry little girls, but they are allow to divorce them :[/s] Later you'll be lamenting that you present reliable sources, what's the meaning of this nonsense? Surah 65:4 The verse is correct, first time you didn't quote a summarized verse or rearranged verse. That's nice ![]() In the first category are the women who Correct! In the second category Wrong! The assertion is wrong, like I said earlier. Marriage of Semitic people takes place at relatively young age. A blessed answer by Brother Yahya Snow: "....In Semitic communities, including Jewish communities (the community of Jesus included too) people would marry off their daughters to older men despite their daughters being immature (i.e. pre-pubescent). The girls would have to wait for maturity (ie puberty) before consummating the marriage. Of course (in Islam) once the girl has reached a mature age she decides if she wants the marriage to stand (I stress this so nobody goes away with the idea that Islam allows forced marriage). If she agrees upon it then she can consummate the marriage and live as husband and wife. The term to describe this (marrying off before maturity) would be ‘betrothal’, the most well known example of betrothal in history would be that of Mary being betrothed to Joseph, before Mary and Joseph came together for consummation (i.e. before Mary’s full maturity) she became pregnant with Jesus via immaculate conception. This example is not given to digress but to illustrate that this did happen it is an example that Christians, Jews and Muslims can relate to. None of the communities mentioned (Islamic, Christian or Jewish) allowed sex with the girl before maturity so any accusation that disagrees with this fact is a false accusation. As we are speaking of Muslims I feel compelled to show that Islam does not allow sex with immature girls....." Lastly are the women who Correct! As we have noted, the background of Mr. Man its already explained. Can you comprehend the full implication of this single NUMBERS 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. I hope you can comprehend this violent extremism of Christian jihadists, Look at what biblical jesus is commanding here. ![]() Surah 65:4 is clearly saying that Muslim You Christians are perverts, Chai.... Your mind don sharply picture sex. No wonder most of sexual related crimes(homosexuality, pornography, Bestiality, etc) are by many Christians... Smh... Since the purpose of the waiting period is to determine pregnancy, this means that Muslim husbands are permitted to Nothing like that, stop putting your obscene interpretation.... Pervert! Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Already explained ogbeni! Giving away children who are far too Nonsense, my own be say Mary got married to Joseph at the age of 12 while Joseph was 90. After giving birth to Jesus probably at 14, she started having sex with Joseph. None of you have refuted that fact, just beating around the Bush. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 11:18pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
truthman2012:Truthman2013 see this shameless old man is repeating this nonsense! I can clearly see you don't have shame.... . **spits on his face** 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 11:21pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
trapQ:Hi, rants as usual nothing sensible. Go and tell this nonsense to the early church theologians that wrote them. Shebi if Gabriel writes, you no go accept ba? Toh continue o! 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by trapQ: 11:58pm On Aug 08, 2015 |
Because you've been conditioned to be irrational, you wont assimilate sensible words. Demmzy15: |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by malvisguy212: 12:05am On Aug 09, 2015 |
Demmzy15. http://quotingislam..co.ke/2011/06/islamic-scholars-explanations-of-quran.html?m=1 Well known scholar, Sayyid Abul Ala Maududi states in his Commentary on Surah 65:4 in Tafhim al Qur’an, Volume 5, p. 620, note 13, regarding sex with prepubescent children: “Here, one should bear in mind the fact that according to the explanations given in the Quran the question of the waiting period arises in respect of the women with whom marriage may have been consummated, for there is no waiting-period in case divorce is pronounced before the consummation of marriage. (Al- Ahzab: 49). Therefore, making mention of the waiting-period for girls who have not yet menstruated, clearly proves that it is not only permissible to give away the girl at this age but it is PERMISSIBLE FOR THE HUSBAND TO CONSUMMATE THE MARRIAGE WITH HER. Now, obviously no Muslim has the right to forbid a thing which the Qur’an has held as permissible.” Maududi affirms that it is not only permitted by the Qur’an to marry prepubescent girls but also to consummate the marriage with them. He also adds that no Muslims has the right to question or forbid what Allah has permitted in the Qur’an. Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 65:4: “The `Iddah of Those in Menopause and Those Who do not have Menses Allah the Exalted clarifies the waiting period of the woman in menopause. And that is the one whose menstruation has stopped due to her older age. Her `Iddah is three months instead of the three monthly cycles for those who menstruate, which is based upon the Ayah in (Surat) Al-Baqarah. [see 2:228] The same for the young, who have not reached the years of menstruation. Their `Iddah is three months like those in menopause. This is the meaning of His saying.” Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64: Narrated By ‘Aisha : That the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he CONSUMMATED HIS MARRIAGE WHEN SHE WAS NINE YEARS OLD, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Hadith Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2116: “Aisha said, ‘The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.’ (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had INTERCOURSE WITH ME WHEN I WAS 9 YEARS OLD .” We have seen that the Islamic laws of Allah allow husbands to engage in intercourse with their prepubescent wives. We have also discovered from the Hadiths that Aisha was nine-years-old when Muhammad had sexual intercourse with her. Now we will look at the evidences that prove that Aisha was prepubescent when Muhammad first had sexual intercourse with her. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151: Narrated ‘Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah’s Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. ( The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for ‘Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty .) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13) Clearly written. 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by parisbookaddict(f): 12:19am On Aug 09, 2015 |
abduljabbar4: The Pastor, disobedient to Christ's teachings , is a criminal, paedophile and deserves to be in jail.. The imam is a good muslim following the deeds of his prophet mohammed. In fact a younger child would have been recommended by mohammed Bukhari, volume 5, #234 "Narrated Aisha: The prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six. We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Harith Kharzraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's messenger came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age." 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 2:39pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
malvisguy212: What?! My question is still unanswered, why is the "Apocryphal" a weak argument? http://quotingislam..co.ke/2011/06/islamic-scholars-explanations-of-quran.html?m=1 There's nowhere which was stated that Aisha is prepubescent. Aisha was 9years which is categorized under "Adolescents". So where did you get your nonsense from?! [s]“Here, one should bear in mind the You're copying and pasting without even knowing what you doing, what's the meaning of this gibberish up there. Our contention here is, was Aisha fit for the marriage? Why did Mary at 12years marry Joseph who was 90years?! Face the topic. Tafsir Ibn Kathir on Surah 65:4: We've dealt with this issue, I quoted a very satisfying answer but I know you didn't read. That's basically your problem, you don't read. You keep repeating things like a programmed robot. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, No where in hadith shows she was a child or prepubescent girl. Take a look at this chart: Infant==Birth to 3years Child==4 to 8years Adolescent==9 to 12years(Aisha's and Mary's Marriage) Teen==13 to 19years Adult==20 and over. pu·ber·ty - /ˈpyo͞obərdē/ noun 1. the period during which [size=14pt]adolescents[/size] reach sexual maturity and become capable of reproduction. So how can Aisha be immature? She's fit, I repeat stop using today's standard to judge something that was a costum thousands of years ago. Even Mary and Joseph weren't left out. Now we will look at Your deception is exposed @emboldened there is no parenthesis there, those are your words or the dumbass that wrote it. The Arabic text of Fathi Al Bari stopped at "me", but you hypocrites then spew your venoms. This hadith shows that Aisha indeed was matured and was going through menstruation before her marriage: Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. So as we can see, Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty. In fact during puberty a girl will want to be away from her family, meaning her mother and father: Want to be away from your family: "During puberty, you may want to spend most of your time with friends instead of family members. You may feel embarrassed by your family or parents. You may feel like your parents have no idea what you are going through during puberty. It is normal for you to want to be with and dress like your friends most of the time. Just remember that sometime your family may be a better support for you than your friends." (http://www.healthtouch.com/bin/EContent_HT/cnoteShowLfts.asp?fname=07103&title=PUBERTY+IN+GIRLS+&cid=HTHLTH) **Credits To Osama Abdallah** [size=18pt]So malvisguy212 why did Mary of age 12 marry Joseph of age 90?! Why did 14year old Mary have sex with 92year old Joseph?! ![]() 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 2:56pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: Why did 90year old Joseph marry 12year old Mary?! ![]() Pedophilia is loved by your god: NUMBERS 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. Look at how his jihadists got free virgins children, many church fathers get their inspiration from this. So sad ![]() The imam is a good muslim following the deeds of his prophet mohammed. In fact a younger child would have been recommended by mohammed I've already dealt with the issue with Malviguy, so why did 92year old Joseph have sex with 14year old Mary?! 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Blackfire(m): 3:01pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
parisbookaddict: u parisbookaddict is a wicked girl. |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Rilwayne001: 3:45pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Jagoon: Sanchez01, What do you have to say on the attitude of this brother of yours? |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by adullam210: 5:13pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Demmzy15:i don't believe a sane human being can defend an adult marrying a kid of nine in any way! 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Sanchez01: 5:31pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:I see no reason why a right thinking Believer would resort to bashing other people's religion. If every so-called Christian on this thread see or perceive themselves to be greater than others (religious-wise) are nothing but religious bigots who do not know Christ. Religious tolerance is one of the greatest un-advertized attributes of Christ and any so-called Christian who cannot respect and tolerate the religion of others does not know Christ and does not have his Spirit. Attacking others will not make them respect you, your belief and ideologies. It would only make them stand against you the more. This is quite disturbing. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 5:39pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
adullam210:Don't run away from my questions, why did 90years old Joseph marry 12year old Mary? If you aren't satisfied with my above post, feel free to refute it. 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Rilwayne001: 5:42pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Sanchez01: Okay good. Thanks for this. I pray they change. Cc: jagoon truthman2012 parisbookadict. 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Rilwayne001: 5:45pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
adullam210: Educate yourself here http://www.womeninthebible.net/3.2.Major_Events.htm 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Rilwayne001: 6:09pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Demmzy15:More: http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/30/marriage-of-mary-to-joseph-the-carpenter/ |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 6:21pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Ahhh! Bros thanks o ![]() ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Rilwayne001: 6:32pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Demmzy15: It all started from here http://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/14/bible-child-marriage-in-ancient-israelite-times-paedophilia/ Happy reading. ![]() |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Demmzy15(m): 6:44pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:**faints** thus one na death fa? Truthman2012 footsoldiers go crumble! ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Pure Description Of Islam by Nobody: 6:51pm On Aug 09, 2015 |
Sanchez01: I used to be as naive as this and held this position until I learnt more about islam and realised allah was either satan himself or an agent of satan whose primary reason starting the islamic religion is to lead people to hell. Are you aware that there are passages in ther quoran that instructs muslims to kill christians? Tolerate them at your own peril, you may wish to read quoran 9:29 |
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