truthman2013:
References:

[1] An Enemy We Created: The Myth of the Taliban-Al Qaeda Merger in Afghanistan By Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn page 429
[2] Messianic Beliefs and Imperial Politics in Medieval Islam: The ʻAbbāsid Caliphate in the Early Ninth Century [Copyright 2009] By Hayrettin Yücesoy page 37 – 38
[3] Muslim and Western Travelers in search of knowledge Journeys to the Other Shore [Copyright 2006] By Roxanne L.Euben page 267
[4] See Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1986), volume, page 227 – 229.
[5] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage: By Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem page 693
[6] Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane (London: Willams & Norgate 1863) Book 1, page 2335

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truthman..

Bros... . Hehehe, you go just killed this Islamophobes today o

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why is it in blood red

Demmzy15:

Bros... . Hehehe, you go just killed this Islamophobes today o

Mentor, this is just the 'tip of the iceberg'

truthman..

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malvisguy212:
@truthman2013.
You did not explained anything here, muhammed and his followers had just entered Medina before this verse was revealed, quran 2:191 was revealed and the meccan are not planing to attack :
(Bukhari29:72, Muslim 7:3145)
Allah's Apostle ENTERED MECCA in the
year of its Conquest wearing an
Arabian helmet on his head and
when the Prophet took it off, a
person came and said, "Ibn Khatal is
holding the covering of the Ka'ba
(taking refuge in the Ka'ba)." The
Prophet said, "KILL HIM."

Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). Infacte it was the muslims who first draw the first blood:

Abu Waqqas picked up a camel’s
jawbone and struck a local polytheist
who was “rudely interrupting” his group
of praying Muslims. "This was the first
blood to be shed in Islam" (Ibn Ishaq/
Hisham 166).

The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do NOT APPEAR in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean
disbelief, or the disorder that results
from unbelief or temptation. This is
certainly what is meant in this context
since the violence is explicitly
commissioned "UNTIL RELIGION IS FOR Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them
wherever you find them, and turn them
out from where they have turned you
out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is
worse than killing...but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.) "

The verse prior to this (190) refers to
"fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families.

Come to think of it , if it was the meccan that first attack the muslims, do you need a revelation from Allah to attack back ? For muhammed to enter Mecca settled down and have his revelation indicate its was the muslims that first attack the meccan.

Historians do not record any act of
aggression by the Meccans against the
Muslims during the time at which the
second sura was narrated by
Muhammad. There were no armies
marching against them, nor any plans for such. The Meccans had no influence in this far-away town, and Muslims were
not under persecution at the time by any stretch of the term as it is popularly
understood today. According to the
sequence of events in the Sira (biography), the Meccans were quite
content with leaving Muhammad alone
following his eviction (even though he
had made a pledge of war against them).

truthman2013:
References:

[1] An Enemy We Created: The Myth of the Taliban-Al Qaeda Merger in Afghanistan By Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn page 429
[2] Messianic Beliefs and Imperial Politics in Medieval Islam: The ʻAbbāsid Caliphate in the Early Ninth Century [Copyright 2009] By Hayrettin Yücesoy page 37 – 38
[3] Muslim and Western Travelers in search of knowledge Journeys to the Other Shore [Copyright 2006] By Roxanne L.Euben page 267
[4] See Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir (Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1986), volume, page 227 – 229.
[5] Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage: By Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem page 693
[6] Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane (London: Willams & Norgate 1863) Book 1, page 2335

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abduljabbar4:
Big blow to the haters of Islam esp lieman2012

ByfireByfire:


No big blow anywhere. Malvisguy212 clearly and concisely exposed the lies in the interpretation. Besides the life of your prophet who killed and raped and encouraged other followers to kill and rape minors and innocent people says it all.

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Demmzy15:

To differentiate himself from one liar called "truthman2012" better still "Lie-lieman2012"

plainbibletruth:



Why not in blue?
That will be more friendly to the eyes than red wouldn't it?

Nahhh! I'll go with GREEN since color red is not friendly to your eyes.

truthman.

Demmzy15:

To differentiate himself from one liar called "truthman2012" better still "Lie-lieman2012"

truthman2013:
Quran 2:191 – “And kill them wherever you find
them…"


Critics as usual apply ‘cut and choose’ approach with regards to this passage (Quran 2:191). They only quote, “And kill them wherever you find them…(2:191). However, when we read the passage in its context (2:190-195) it says opposite what they portray of the verse.

Quran 2:190 – 195
2:190 Fight in the way of God those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors.

2:191 And kill them wherever you find them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you , and fitnah [Persecution] is worse than killing . And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there . But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

2:192 And if they cease, then indeed, God is Forgiving and Merciful.
2:193 Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah [Persecution] and [until] worship is for God. But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors.
2:194 [Fighting in] the sacred month is for [aggression committed in] the sacred month, and for [all] violations is legal retribution. So whoever has assaulted you, thenassault him in the same way that he has assaulted you. And fear God and know that God is with those who fearHim.
2:195 And spend in the way of God and do not throw [yourselves] with your [own] hands into destruction [by refraining]. And do good; indeed, God loves the doers.of good.

It’s important whenever one reads a Quranic verse, to read it in its context. As you have read, critics only quote the part which suites them, they isolate previous verses and the ones after. When the passage is examined in context, it is clear that nowhere does it sanction the killing of innocent people. From verse 2:190 to 2:195, when read, Allah makes it evident to fight those only who fight them, fighting in self-defence.

Another thing critics love to do with the passage is, change the Arabic word’s meaning. Example, the Arabic word ‘Fitna’ used in 2:191 and 2:193, Islamophobes have translated the word as ‘disbelief’. So, when it’s read in that perspective, the passage is implying to fight to those who are disbelievers, just because of their religion. This again when we examine it, it will turn out to be a lie. The Arabic word ‘Fitnah’ means ‘persecution’,‘corruption’, ‘sedition’. But when the word ‘Fitnah’ is used in verse 2:191 and 2:193 it means ‘persecution’

Non-Muslim Translation

Arthur John Arberry

2:191 And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying . But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers.

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The Arabic word for disbelief is ‘kufr’. The following Definition(s) on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’.

Alex Strick van Linschoten and Felix Kuehn, commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’,

Fitna: An Arabic-language term that literally translates as
‘sedition’ or ‘temptation,’ but with various consequences also implied (e.g. disorder/chaos). It is often used as the antonym to a state of peace. As such, it takes on an Islam context with the suggestion that dissent or conflict (e.g. within the Ummah)… [1]

Associate Professor of Arabic and Islamic Studies Hayrettin Yücesoy writes

“One of the most frequently mentioned portents of the end of time in Muslim prophecies is civil disorder, fitna. Yet contrary to what one might expect, in none of the many instances in which the term fitna (civil disorder) is mentioned in the Quran is it connected to end of time events. In the Qur’anic text, fitna refers to a sort of trial: “And know that your wealth and your children are a trial [fitna], and that with God is a mighty wage.” In other verses, the term connotes discord, controversy,and dissension: “As for those in whose hearts is swerving, they follow the ambiguous part, desiring dissension [fitna], and seeking to explain it; and none knows its meaning, save only God.” Fitna may also mean seduction: “Children of Adan! Let not satan tempt, [v. yaftatin], you as he brought your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their garments to show them their shameful parts.” On other occasions, it describes! chaos and civil disorder: “As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of another. Unless you do this, there will be strife [fitna] in the land and great corruption.” Finally it refers to plotting and acts of conspiracy: “Had they gone forth among you, they would only have increased you in trouble, and run to and fro in your midst, seeking to stir up sedition [fitna] between you; and some of you would listen to them; and God knows the evildoers.” A similar meaning is given in the following verses, where conspiracy against the community and its social and religious status quo is condemned: Persecution [fitna] is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then if they fight you, slay them- such is the recompose of unbelievers.” Even the ban on fighting during the holy months is lifted in cases of the greater danger of persecution: “Fighting in it is a heinous thing, but to bar from God’s way, and disbelief in him, and the Holy Mosque, and to expel its people from it- that is more heinous in God’s sight; and persecution [fitna] is more heinous than slaying.” [2]

Professor Roxanne L. Euben

“Fitna- Civil strife, temptation, disorder, chaos, sedition dissension.” [3]

Ibn Kathir, Tafsir Ibn Kathir,

“Concerning the verse “If two groups of believers fall to fighting” Q. 49.9) and “fight against them until there is no ‘fitnah’” (Q.2:193), he answered: “We done all this in the time of Prophet. At that time, we came minority so that a Moslem was be faced by fitnah in his religion, either he would be killed or would be the victim of oppression. When the Moslem community grows as powerful adherents, killing oppression has gone.” Based on this argument, we can conclude that ‘fitnah’ should be defined as any oppression or forcing Moslem to do or not to do something against his rights as human being ; all this being ratio legis or cause to proclaim fight against oppressor or those who want to kill them.” [4]

Arabic-English Dictionary of Qur’anic Usage. Elsaid M. Badawi and Muhammad Abdel Haleem,

“f-t-n to purify gold and silver by smelting them; to burn; to put to the test, to afflict (in particular as a means of testing someone’s endurance); to disrupt the peace of a community; to tempt, to seduce, to allure, to infatuate. Of this root, six forms occur 60 times in the Qur’an fatana 17 times futina six times; futun once; maftun once and fitnatun 34 times.
fitnatun [n.] 1 test (8:28) your possessions and your children are only a test 2 affliction, trial (22:11) but if a trial befalls him, he reverts to his old ways [lit. falls flat on his face, turns back to front] 3 persecution (2:191) and drive them out from where they drove you out, for persecution is more serious than killing 4 dissension, discord, civil unrest, infighting, mutiny (9:47) they would have scurried around in your midst, trying to sow discord among you 5 temptation, allurement (2:102) yet they [both] never taught anyone until they first said, ‘we are but a temptation-do not [fall for us and] reject the faith’ 6 treachery, defection, desertion (33:14) but if it [the city] had been entered from [all] its sides, with them in it, and they were asked to commit treachery, they would have committed it.” [5]

Arabic-English Lexicon,Edward William Lane commenting on the Arabic word ‘Fitna’,

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In conclusion, as we have examined the Arabic word ‘fitna’, and the context of passage, the verse does not promote killing of innocent people. As shown, the passage shows that Muslims were allowed to fight those who were persecuting the Muslims. In other words, the passage sanctions fighting in self-defence.

ByfireByfire:



Kudos for refuting the bloody liars. For all I care any blood thirsty muslim can interprete those verses however they wish to justify their bloodshed and still be right. That's what Muhammed did in real life and that's what Isis and radicals do all over the world.

Those verses are so open ended and filled with ambiguity that they can become whatever any muslim wants them to be.

abduljabbar4:
Big blow to the haters of Islam esp lieman2012

malvisguy212:
this is exactly what you guys are doing concerning the bible.
Rilwayne001 change to truthman2013 trying to manipulate the original truthman2012. And you guys are calling truthman2012 fake and calling the impersonator(truthman2013) the real Truthman. Deluded muslims.