BrabusNG:


Baba, I'm sure they don't blast limestone around you. Lafarge Elephant Cement production facility is 1.5km from my house. Crack is inevitable in such terrain.

No cement production plant around me.

Baba EgunMogaji,

Technician turned builder recommends a capping beam. You'll definitely thank me later.

It's better to be late and get it right!

Even the Chateau in Ile Oluji built in a similar sloping site had its DPC heavily reinforced. Why? Ground movement.
Seascape Villa - elevated 1.2m above natural ground level because of tidal waves.

While hoping for the best, I always design build for the worst of all conditions. Rule of thumb. Any fdn or retaining wall higher than 1m requires special attention.

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^{Pics: Chateau in Ile Oluji, 2013}

BrabusNG:
Baba EgunMogaji,

Technician turned builder recommends a capping beam. You'll definitely thank me later.

It's better to be late and get it right!

Even the Chateau in Ile Oluji built in a similar sloping site had its DPC heavily reinforced. Why? Ground movement.
Seascape Villa - elevated 1.2m above natural ground level because of tidal waves.

While hoping for the best, I always design build for the worst of all conditions. Rule of thumb. Any fdn or retaining wall higher than 1m requires special attention.

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^{Pics: Chateau in Ile Oluji, 2013}

Trust me Brabus I know what should have been done from the ground up now and no interest in capping beam at this stage so I most definitely won't be thanking you later.

What I want to know is if 3 to 4 coaches will do the job instead of a full wall. Thanks.

I'm also sitting on a rock which ought to be fun at borehole time.

Red circles are rocks, rectangle is the subject property.

Note: To others that may happen on this thread, heed what Brabus is saying from the get go. That I'm not doing it doesn't mean that he's wrong.

When l was starting a project not too long ago, l recollect one passer-by who saw the foundation and said :Haahh-haa! "Faundasion" yii tii pooju now? Na Aso rock nii!

ofcourse, the foundation was just five planks (above ground) of solid Granite + Cement+ Stone Dust and 16mm Iron.
But l know the history of the land and l know what happened to a lot of buildings where "cost management" was priority when the building started so, l took no chances though some initially thought it was just a waste of funds and a kind of "over-build".

Though it cost over #4.5 Million just to do foundation to DPC level, today l am very happy and consider that as one of the best decisions l have taken in life. "Eni Sango t'oju re wole ni, ki'bu Oba ko'oso"
(Dont know how to translate that now...may be an analogy will do: "Anyone who has nearly drowned in a river, does not play around even a 'swimming pool'" )

If l were Egunmogaji, l will dig one foot into the ground behind that wall, do a foundation plank the height of that wall (about 4 or 5 slabs, l guess) and fill it up with concrete mix, using the wall as the second side of that trough, to a thickness of about 4-5 inches (wall to plank).

With that you can go to sleep, nothing will do your wall.

Thing is, all these "half-measures" are likely to give you grief in future!
I say "likely" so l am not being definitive here.
Its better to have a solid foundation...... and take your time to build the house itself, than to "worry" over your foundation, and continue building over it.
The fact that you are already worried now, is your 'spirit-being' sounding the alarm bells for you in time..... whether you will heed it or not, is up to you
But then, l am just myself


To your real question: Foundations are so fundamental to a building that an extra "two coaches" .....if that is what will give you rest of mind, will not kill you!
Make it 'same height' as the first wall, there are no known 'negative consequences' to such action ........but there could be, if you decide to economise on just two coaches of blocks..... and the consequences are better imagined, if the unexpected should happen.

Also, as suggested, avoid filling with 'Laterite', that motherphucker can expand/contract at will, whenever it sees water!.
Sand, plain sharp sand is more stable if you are worried about the behaviour during and after compaction

*I hope l am not being "unsavoury"... since nobody likes wise guys!


Lastpage!

I also agree with Brabus, a 'light' German floor ... or at least a capping Bean is very important in builds where the land is not flat out.
Its like doing a "Chained Lintel" for a building, compared to not having one, for cost reasons.

These methods have the effect of "binding your building together" such that forces (lateral and others) are "tied together and transmitted around" easily... without failing at any point

Its just "science".

Lastpage!

Spyder880, KolaShangOne, EgbosaJohnny what says yes gents about my question. "Does it need to be a full height double wall or 3 to 4 coach is enough?" Builder thinks 3 to 4 is enough and I want to know if I need to go higher so I can force the issue. That is the only question, nothing else.

You know, too much rice and chicken is not good for the body o

PS: The outside of the wall will also be filled two coaches high when the yard work of the project starts.

EgunMogaji:


Trust me Brabus I know what should have been done from the ground up now and no interest in capping beam at this stage.

What I want to know is if 3 to 4 coaches will do the job instead of a full wall. Thanks.

Note: To others that may happen on this thread, heed what Brabus is saying from the get go. That I'm not doing it doesn't mean that he's wrong.

Me never explore the double wall option before. So I really can't tell. The only time I've ever experienced double wall solution was in Villa Rosa that I bought off my neighbour beside Chateau de Brabus. He did double wall fdn.

BrabusNG:


Me never explore the double wall option before. So I really can't tell. The only time I've ever experienced double wall solution was in Villa Rosa that I bought off my neighbour beside Chateau de Brabus. He did double wall fdn.

Okay thanks, I appreciate the honesty.

@peaceland,hajji and endiasam;yes you nail it hajji. And endiasam good explanation from you ogas,.....I just want to add little input
1) shower mixer has full option and regular options,the full option will have,shower pole,shower telephone cable, 3;1 set, while regular will only have shower cable, then the name MIXER is to mix up the hot and cold water together at your own taste of hotness
2)the washers is to wash poo called shataff by Arabian people( very correct from endiasam) the price. Range depends on the quality (plastics type and chrome type) optional
3)top flush cistern design is more durable and. Look more fanciful than vintage side flush hang type,.....peaceland thanks for your last purchased from my store, your monika defined your character, truly you are patient someone for waited so long that very. Day,
Thanks ones again, more greasy to your elbow

compliment of the season to every one... may we all have a happy 2016

See brabus Don turn brabusNG as if we didn't know he's from Nigeria !!!

mavverick:
See brabus Don turn brabusNG as if we didn't know he's from Nigeria !!!

Nairaland spambot can make you do what you don't wish to do ordinarily. Whenever I got banned by the bot, I always switch over to the BrabusNG id which never get banned.

It's like telling the bot. "Hey officer, I'm from Nigeria. I be human being."

By the way, I haven't seen your Christmas message or present.

EgunMogaji:


Pillars have been poured now.

Most definitely lessons were learned and similar will never appear again. One single one is that regardless of any fantabulous plan I want to build, the Architect and me will both stand firmly on the land and visualize.

In retrospect, this should have been an elevated bungalow and that deep side would have been used as underground parking.

But I have to move on and not get stuck at foundation, though it's an important part of the whole build.

I'm going to go ahead and do the additional support wall as the builder wants to do but my question is that is 3 to 4 coached high enough?

Good morning as I just woke up ehehe still on holiday mood.can I ask what is the depth of your foundation?

EgunMogaji:
Spyder880, KolaShangOne, EgbosaJohnny what says yes gents about my question. "Does it need to be a full height double wall or 3 to 4 coach is enough?" Builder thinks 3 to 4 is enough and I want to know if I need to go higher so I can force the issue. That is the only question, nothing else.

You know, too much rice and chicken is not good for the body o

PS: The outside of the wall will also be filled two coaches high when the yard work of the project starts.

I asked a question back on my build regarding filing.I asked for the diffrence btw red sand and condemed sharp sand.I don't think doubling your walls is needed..It would be waste of money. DO NOT US RED MOD

erico2k2:

I asked a question back on my build regarding filing.I asked for the diffrence btw red sand and condemed sharp sand.I don't think doubling your walls is needed..It would be waste of money. DO NOT US RED MOD

Thanks mate.

The next steps now is finding out what type of filler was used.

I'll post pics to see if it can be identified.

Thanks dude.

EgunMogaji:


Thanks mate.

The next steps now is finding out what type of filler was used.

I'll post pics to see if it can be identified.

Thanks dude.

Great stuff.now what's the depth of ur foundation?

peaceland:
Good day all and compliments of the season,
please will appreciate a little education
1. what is the difference between shower set and mixer tap?
2. there is this nozzle like water projecting object which compliments/substitutes tissue paper and highlighted by @ mufutau55 / @ muyesky in one of his posts months back, it is used with the WC; can't find the post now but anyone that remembers should kindly assist with the correct name of the fitting and possible market price.
3. what are the pros/cons of top flush versus side flush WC
Thanks a lot.

Mixer tap is a combination of hot and cold water in a single tap. It has 2 control which is hot and cold water. You can only install this when then there is provision for hot water/water heater outlet in your bathroom/kitchen. What you need shower misxer tap base on the installation done on site.

Top flush WC and Side Flush WC: you need to ask your plumber before you place any order or buy WC how he run the water outlet connection point for wc whether is close couple l hung type. Most wall hung type normally comes in side flush and close couple come in top flush. I didn't take note of that when we were doing some corrections on already electrical installations done.

Merry Xmas boss

brabus:


Nairaland spambot can make you do what you don't wish to do ordinarily. Whenever I got banned by the bot, I always switch over to the BrabusNG id which never get banned.

It's like telling the bot. "Hey officer, I'm from Nigeria. I be human being."

By the way, I haven't seen your Christmas message or present.

You are obviously not on my Christmas card list nor present list.

I was reading spyders bio.

I think you should do one as well.

By the way below is an extract.

Re: Identification Of Spyder880 Outside Nairaland. byspyder880(m): 8:11pm On Dec 25

1) he is from Nume in nkanu east l.g.a enugu 

I am from Imeama Nomeh-Unateze, Nkanu East LGA of Enugu state. 

2)he is married with kids

Very very married with four beautiful children, GOD has been very kind to me.

3)his wife lives in ngwo where he built a house for them.

Correct, until recently when we moved out. I built the duplex online here too, and completed it with my NBC salary, I was a supervisor in the company.

4)he was not into building till few years ago.

Correct, I was a supervisor in the engineering department of NBC, Ninth mile till 23rd September 2013, but I have built so many houses before then so I was versatile in building constructions and had to resign to face the many contracts I kept getting, I was begged to stay in the company for 2 months but I insisted, building houses is where my heart really is. 

5) he is very popular in nl and very honest in nl.

Na so I see am oo 

6) he is not popular in his hometown and the people of his home town still find it difficult to believe he can build a house or deal on land.

Correct too, I never lived in my village in all my growing up years or my teen years. Both my parents were civil servants when I was a child and they both worked outside our local government. Apart from a few family members, I know very few people from my town. I am not popular in the village and many people still struggle to identify me inside the village, I still hear people asking "is he from here?"

7) many people from his village outside NL believe he is a scammer.

HA!   I am not perfect, but I have never taken what does not belong to me, never misplaced anybody's anything in my entire life.


 nairalanders believe he is genuine.

I wont blame them for believing so, I have built more than 25-30 houses here in the last 5 years without issues. I have nothing to hide.

^^^
@mavverick, obviously the list is incomplete without me.

The only client that I've hosted in my house and have hosted me in his says my name is not on his present list. Which names made the list?

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As for the bio, you know na. O ti ri mi tan now man yi. Wetin you wan see again? You don see me finish. You're the only client who had stayed with me in my house till very late (almost 11:30pm), the only client I've ever had to pick from the airport. Brought sweet and goodies for the kids, shirts for me and I cannot forget that garri ijebu and ice water.

So Wetin again you wan ask? Oga send me my Christmas present ASAP then we can pick up the fight later. You even knew my shirt size (the French connection shirt still dey intact for my wardrobe). The only client who knew the number of vehicle that I have right from the day of Renault in Lekki Scheme II.

Oga better go and check the list again before I occupy your doorway. The kids so much enjoyed your nephews birthday sweets.



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*** YOU in this context means you and everyone connected to you.

erico2k2:

Great stuff.now what's the depth of ur foundation?

I left my building journal back at home in Nigeria so I don't have measurements of the depth but I had another builder surreptitiously come by to do inspection and he agreed that for that area/soil that the depth is adequate.

The real reason that this is happening is assumption. Builder thought he would be able to step down the area but I was adamant about maintaining the house on the same level for continuity.

Lots of lessons learned. Thanks for being objective and not over bearing with your answers.

I'm going to go ahead with the wall just to shut my builder up but simply wants to know if 3 to 4 coaches will make an impact like he said.

Thanks mate. My build may not be perfect but it will match my character as I am an imperfect person

lastpage:


Respects, Sir!
I like that name "Diaper sprayer"!

I guess when it is time, l need to give you a ring as well.
If l may ask: Do you know what informs that range of price difference? Are there 'grades' or things one needs to look out for... to getthe best bang for money spent?

Seasons Greetings to you and your family


Lastpage!

@Peaceland: Problem solved, courtesy of @EndiaSami

Season greetings boss!
Yes, they differ in price cos they differ in quality. It comes in plastic and also in metal... For the plastic, it has grades. Same as for the metal one also.

@ mufutau55, @ EndiaSami, @ lastpage, @ rotecch77, @ topsy23
Thanks a lot sirs, very grateful. Merry Christmas to you all
The only regret I had was not involving people here much earlier, really lost good money to funny artisans but thank God for His mercies and for life.
I will get the pictures of the plumbing, in holiday mode now but plumber assured its okay for top flush. but I don't trust them anymore, that's how they told me all is okay before with piping only to come and be asking for permanent controls for the stop corks in place saying the red onces there were temporary!?, I was like you bought and fixed them so how should I know there are supposed to be permanents stored somewhere?
It's been a learning curve really.
Thanks all once again.

As an aside, I will appeal to all concerned in the spirit of Christmas to forgive, not necessarily forget, Mr Br.... Please tender apology without explanation to all those who your actions may have disappointed or hurt, Mr Ma........ & others; Kindly forgive. when trust is betrayed it creates a deep wound that takes time to heal, what is not needed is constantly opening up the wound
just my opinion
Merry Christmas.

rotecch77:
@peaceland,hajji and endiasam;yes you nail it hajji. And endiasam good explanation from you ogas,.....I just want to add little input
1) shower mixer has full option and regular options,the full option will have,shower pole,shower telephone cable, 3;1 set, while regular will only have shower cable, then the name MIXER is to mix up the hot and cold water together at your own taste of hotness
2)the washers is to wash poo called shataff by Arabian people( very correct from endiasam) the price. Range depends on the quality (plastics type and chrome type) optional
3)top flush cistern design is more durable and. Look more fanciful than vintage side flush hang type,.....peaceland thanks for your last purchased from my store, your monika defined your character, truly you are patient someone for waited so long that very. Day,
Thanks ones again, more greasy to your elbow

Make I position. Roctecch Oga boss Don show. Season greetings boss!! . How u dey?

EgunMogaji:


I left my building journal back at home in Nigeria so I don't have measurements of the depth but I had another builder surreptitiously come by to do inspection and he agreed that for that area/soil that the depth is adequate.

The real reason that this is happening is assumption. Builder thought he would be able to step down the area but I was adamant about maintaining the house on the same level for continuity.

Lots of lessons learned. Thanks for being objective and not over bearing with your answers.

I'm going to go ahead with the wall just to shut my builder up but simply wants to know if 3 to 4 coaches will make an impact like he said.

Thanks mate. My build may not be perfect but it will match my character as I am an imperfect person

Aha my Oga we nor perfect at all nah try we all dey try. U know as I do money is not easy to get when you are salaried. So we must try in every way possible to reduce waste.your DPC level is same.as mine 6 coaches hover I have dug 1 mtr down approx 3 ft. Now I did this with the view of the main rd ahead.with that hight I am 2 block coach higher so no way I'm going to be flooded if my street was tiled and filled up to the main rd level. In my view I think the capping suggested should do the trick of re enforcement as yoy can tie the columns together.

peaceland:
@ mufutau55, @ EndiaSami, @ lastpage, @ rotecch77, @ topsy23
Thanks a lot sirs, very grateful. Merry Christmas to you all
The only regret I had was not involving people here much earlier, really lost good money to funny artisans but thank God for His mercies and for life.
I will get the pictures of the plumbing, in holiday mode now but plumber assured its okay for top flush. but I don't trust them anymore, that's how they told me all is okay before with piping only to come and be asking for permanent controls for the stop corks in place saying the red onces there were temporary!?, I was like you bought and fixed them so how should I know there are supposed to be permanents stored somewhere?
It's been a learning curve really.
Thanks all once again.

As an aside, I will appeal to all concerned in the spirit of Christmas to forgive, not necessarily forget, Mr Br.... Please tender apology without explanation to all those who your actions may have disappointed or hurt, Mr Ma........ & others; Kindly forgive. when trust is betrayed it creates a deep wound that takes time to heal, what is not needed is constantly opening up the wound
just my opinion
Merry Christmas.

Plz share your expirience so we can all learn ohhh
Thanks in advance

peaceland:
@ mufutau55, @ EndiaSami, @ lastpage, @ rotecch77, @ topsy23
Thanks a lot sirs, very grateful. Merry Christmas to you all
The only regret I had was not involving people here much earlier, really lost good money to funny artisans but thank God for His mercies and for life.
I will get the pictures of the plumbing, in holiday mode now but plumber assured its okay for top flush. but I don't trust them anymore, that's how they told me all is okay before with piping only to come and be asking for permanent controls for the stop corks in place saying the red onces there were temporary!?, I was like you bought and fixed them so how should I know there are supposed to be permanents stored somewhere?
It's been a learning curve really.
Thanks all once again.

As an aside, I will appeal to all concerned in the spirit of Christmas to forgive, not necessarily forget, Mr Br.... Please tender apology without explanation to all those who your actions may have disappointed or hurt, Mr Ma........ & others; Kindly forgive. when trust is betrayed it creates a deep wound that takes time to heal, what is not needed is constantly opening up the wound
just my opinion
Merry Christmas.

Compliment sir

erico2k2:

Aha my Oga we nor perfect at all nah try we all dey try. U know as I do money is not easy to get when you are salaried. So we must try in every way possible to reduce waste.your DPC level is same.as mine 6 coaches hover I have dug 1 mtr down approx 3 ft. Now I did this with the view of the main rd ahead.with that hight I am 2 block coach higher so no way I'm going to be flooded if my street was tiled and filled up to the main rd level. In my view I think the capping suggested should do the trick of re enforcement as yoy can tie the columns together.

The question was never about capping, not doing that at this time. Simply is 3 to 4 coaches enough?

I have no flood in my area and my lot is already higher than the road.

Very nice foundation depth. Are you building a two story?

peaceland:
@ mufutau55, @ EndiaSami, @ lastpage, @ rotecch77, @ topsy23
Thanks a lot sirs, very grateful. Merry Christmas to you all
The only regret I had was not involving people here much earlier, really lost good money to funny artisans but thank God for His mercies and for life.
I will get the pictures of the plumbing, in holiday mode now but plumber assured its okay for top flush. but I don't trust them anymore, that's how they told me all is okay before with piping only to come and be asking for permanent controls for the stop corks in place saying the red onces there were temporary!?, I was like you bought and fixed them so how should I know there are supposed to be permanents stored somewhere?
It's been a learning curve really.
Thanks all once again.

As an aside, I will appeal to all concerned in the spirit of Christmas to forgive, not necessarily forget, Mr Br.... Please tender apology without explanation to all those who your actions may have disappointed or hurt, Mr Ma........ & others; Kindly forgive. when trust is betrayed it creates a deep wound that takes time to heal, what is not needed is constantly opening up the wound
just my opinion
Merry Christmas.

He already did that and opened a thread specifically for the aggrieved, real or imagined, persons.

Not sure why they have to hound the man, but it's a free world.

brabus:
^^^
@mavverick, obviously the list is incomplete without me.

The only client that I've hosted in my house and have hosted me in his says my name is not on his present list. Which names made the list?

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As for the bio, you know na. O ti ri mi tan now man yi. Wetin you wan see again? You don see me finish. You're the only client who had stayed with me in my house till very late (almost 11:30pm), the only client I've ever had to pick from the airport. Brought sweet and goodies for the kids, shirts for me and I cannot forget that garri ijebu and ice water.

So Wetin again you wan ask? Oga send me my Christmas present ASAP then we can pick up the fight later. You even knew my shirt size (the French connection shirt still dey intact for my wardrobe). The only client who knew the number of vehicle that I have right from the day of Renault in Lekki Scheme II.

Oga better go and check the list again before I occupy your doorway. The kids so much enjoyed your nephews birthday sweets.



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*** YOU in this context means you and everyone connected to you.

Maverick is unusually quiet. E be like say una don settle. Praise be to God. 2016 go beta.

brabus:
^^^
@mavverick, obviously the list is incomplete without me.

The only client that I've hosted in my house and have hosted me in his says my name is not on his present list. Which names made the list?

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As for the bio, you know na. O ti ri mi tan now man yi. Wetin you wan see again? You don see me finish. You're the only client who had stayed with me in my house till very late (almost 11:30pm), the only client I've ever had to pick from the airport. Brought sweet and goodies for the kids, shirts for me and I cannot forget that garri ijebu and ice water.

So Wetin again you wan ask? Oga send me my Christmas present ASAP then we can pick up the fight later. You even knew my shirt size (the French connection shirt still dey intact for my wardrobe). The only client who knew the number of vehicle that I have right from the day of Renault in Lekki Scheme II.

Oga better go and check the list again before I occupy your doorway. The kids so much enjoyed your nephews birthday sweets.



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*** YOU in this context means you and everyone connected to you.

Maverick is unusually quiet . E be like say una don settle. Praise be to God. 2016 go beta. . Make una send me part of the peace making vodka o.

PeoplesArmy:


Maverick is unusually quiet . E be like say una don settle. Praise be to God. 2016 go beta. . Make una send me part of the peace making vodka o.

Bros

E be like say u talk too early oo.

I just go carry 1 bottle took a break for a second before i do some work on lightroom, some family members are already disturbing me about some of the great pictures I took yesterday and weeks earlier, I dey into photography as a hobby, take a lot of photos but people dey complain say they dont see the photos once its taken, so as a late xmas present, make i surprise them.

Me n brabus never settle oo, he knows what needs to be done to reach an acceptable settlement, and I already made it clear from day 1 that his actions will follow him on NL and thats just one part, whether its brabus or brabusNG and also dont care whatever anyone says, as the previous poster said its a free world and thats exactly what it is.

There is no wound to be opened, what I find is that with most of these issues, PERSON GO SEND MONEY MESSAGE OR IN YORUBA LAND THEY SAY "MO NEED LATI RON OWO NSE".

PeoplesArmy:


Maverick is unusually quiet . E be like say una don settle. Praise be to God. 2016 go beta. . Make una send me part of the peace making vodka o.

The person una go help me beg be Hajji Mufutau55.

I saw his comment some weeks back and I'm like.. At times many people will think I am a carefree type. No! I go through all comments but I knew how to seive informations. The important one to action and the ones to ignore.

Hajji, this is coming from one of your own. Like a prodigal son, I've returned to my father saying I'm sorry daddy. I knew what went wrong and I've worked on the fix (a permanent one this time). Why throw the baby with the bath water now? Ti a ba fi owo otun ba Omo wi, we no dey use the left hand push am away. I remain on ground until you ask me to change position o.

We are absolutely nothing without the help of all of you guys. The complaints, the reviews and the commendations make us do better. Trust me, I've learnt a lot more in 2015.

Baba, forgive your boy o!