Bamsyle:

First off, I ain't proving hip hop head here . . . and there's hardly any genre of music I don't know about - even if Rap's like 90% of the time . . . so don't gimme that "he's doing music I ain't comfortable with" stuff . . . I know what I'm talkin' about . . . Kanye is not wack . . . that's like saying Eminem is wack . . . but he has dumbed down . . . I've never been into his lyrics . . . but but the tempo has fallen . . . I don't dig his "808s and Heartbreak" - the auto-tune thingy ain't doing it for me . . . and still I ain't preaching no hip hop head sermon . . .

Dumbing down= Vocorder ??

Step out of that zone bruv . . . Mr 'I love his spirit, his delivery, his style, his wordplay . . . plus he's a great performer and he's creative . . . but nah, I can't just place me fingers on it'
I think I'll just go with 'Innocent until prven guilty'.

Bamsyle:

And hey, talking 'bout being overrated, dude does have an attitude . . . what with his comments on the Grammy Awards and MTV Europe Music Awards in 06? I ain't a hater though . . .

Tupac thinks he's Black Jesus, Busta thinks he's 'God of the Street', Jay-Z thinks he's the Jewish Jesus, Eminem thinks he's 'a bit of Pac and Big and a sprinkle of Big L' and yet Kanye's overrated because he thinks he should beat Justin to the Best Male Performer award??
Hmmn . . .Bamsyle

_{As a subOlorioko on this section, I hereby issue a decree: No more epistles, OTHERWISE BAN!!!}

TOYOSI20:

Did i mention the fact that u bore me wid ur incoherent gibberish, 

your thread clearly asks for Overrated artist and they have been listed so why then are u foaming in the mouth??

No ma'am . . . I didn't ask for "Overrated artist" . . . I asked for "Overrated artistes" . . . otherwise, we'll be talking about the Mona Lisa here . . . 

he is overrated and thats that, i don't give a crap what u think this is ma two cents!!, how is it affecting ur heart rate, 

Yeah . . . really two cents . . . not enough to buy you chewing gum . . . up your thinking.

Why do u then result to cheap insults, what frigging directions, bwoi pls, do whats clever and stick to ur thread!!

If u know who ur cheerleading squad is tell 'em im not the gurl u go off on to receive cheers from them, . . . .  .

BTW. . . i didn't go to secondary school in Illorin and besides how does that pertain to the topic at hand. . . . .

Mon apologies if you feel offended . . . that's how we do it atimes when we argue in the Music Section . . . unlike the . . . erm . . . Romance Section . . . we just throw some subliminals here and there . . . it's all fun . . . 

Thats what I'm saying the whole thuggish things is overrated thats the reason u can come here and spew all this. . . .not Ur fault its tu pac i blame,

Mr wanna be!!

Gangster ma gorgeous behind!!!

Haha . . . you'll blame 2pac for what I say on NL too?  . . . one of these days, 2pac'll get blamed for Martin Luther's "I Have A Dream" Speech . . . 

I ain't a wanna-be madmoiselle . . . go to the Rap Battle Thread . . . you won't even see a line from Bamsyle . . . I'm not trying to be a gangsta . . . I ain't one . . . letz just type based on personal convictions . . . not hearsay . . . that's ma point . . .

"Gorgeous behind"?? 

eldee:

Dumbing down= Vocorder ??

Step out of that zone bruv . . . Mr 'I love his spirit, his delivery, his style, his wordplay . . . plus he's a great performer and he's creative . . . but nah, I can't just place me fingers on it'
I think I'll just go with 'Innocent until prven guilty'.

Alright . . . I LIKE KANYE WEST!!! He's the G.O.A.T!!!

Tupac thinks he's Black Jesus, Busta thinks he's 'God of the Street', Jay-Z thinks he's the Jewish Jesus, Eminem thinks he's 'a bit of Pac and Big and a sprinkle of Big L' and yet Kanye's overrated because he thinks he should beat Justin to the Best Male Performer award??
Hmmn . . .Bamsyle

C'mon you can't equate what someone says on a rap song with what he says in real life . . . bragging is to Rap Music what green is to the Naija flag . . . how can you compare what someone says on records with what he storms the venue of a Music Award Show to say

_{As a subOlorioko on this section, I hereby issue a decree: No more epistles, OTHERWISE BAN!!!}

Eldee, I can see you brought your whole crew here to attack ma epistles . . . leave ma sermons alone . . . I'm forcing you guys to 'go to church' on NL . . .

Bamsyle

Yet anutha heap of drivel comming from ya i take it. . . .haven't u had more than enough for one day tho??

I do not need to check out any section to see through u. . . .its very evident, i say u drop the act while u still ahead,

Up ma thinking??. . . . .U sound like u on some kinda cheap paraphernalia, this trivial crap, we talking about tupac for crying out loud,

And oh yeah i didn't stutter did i??. . .i said ma oh so gorgeous behind!!. . . .deuces!!

@Toyosi20

When next you post anythang sensible on this thread, I'll reply you . . .

Till then, au revoir . . .

Gosh, I'm having fun with all these asinus ass comments . . . hehehe . . .

Next ??

@eldee
Dude you got a couple of lines on that verse wrong period! i don't do azlyrics.com its strictly ohhla.com (original hip hop lyrics archive) for me i pulled out a line that if Nas had spat you would leave Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka scampering for a dictionary with the superlatives you would use to describe that line which clearly shows your bias for Kanye

Now don't get me wrong i like Kanye and prefer him to Fiddy and most of the rappers out there but some of the words you have embellished on him are getting me nauseous as Bamsyle has rightly pointed out he has dumbed down and lets not forget for a rapper who has made 60-70% of his hits with samples (he was even subtly dissed to his face with it on an old Nick Cannon "Wild and out" show) its not out of place to say he's over-rated infact i won't be wrong if i called him America's answer to Olu and Tolu Maintain

@A-40, Ohhla.com, hmm I never heard of that one(seems nice) but mine is urbanlyrics.com, you can even find Nigerian lyrics there

@Eldee, you really got jokes. . .nowhere did I admit Jigga underperformed on that track. I used the word 'if' which clearly means that I was presenting a hypothetical situation. . go figure. I honestly like kanye's graduation album, I still bump to it, I'll take him over 50 anyday but he started slacking. period. I'll still take him over 50, don't get me wrong but I don't feel him like before. I like 'heartless' though, the video was very creative of him but tell him to quit auto-tune then maybe. . .

@Bamsyle, I totally agree with you on the Tupac/kanye issue. But remember, it's a matter of opinion, people are always going to believe what they want to so don't be so harsh on Toyosi20. I sure as hell know Nairaland members won't change my opinion about something I strongly believe in. psh!!

Bamsyle:

@Toyosi20

When next you post anythang sensible on this thread, I'll reply you . . .

Till then, au revoir . . .

Gosh, I'm having fun with all these asinus ass comments . . . hehehe . . .

Next ??

Haha it’s about time!!,

LOL!!!What as opposed to the dust u’ve been yarning?? Makes no iota of sense to me, sounds like pure balderdash,

u are clearly hallucinating, next ko, best ni, 

yeah you’ll find me on the Romance section, Politics, Food, (ma absolute fav ),

Culture, Health, Religion, and every where else I can contribute meaning fully without making a mockery outta things, like u have done to this thread!!,

As opposed to being stuck on the Dating and Meet up section having unnecessary penile erections!!

Get a grip of urself, talking about taking peeps to school, dude pls, when u are able to provide state ur opinion which out taking cheap shots,

and making unnecessary snide comments then and only day would folks take u seriously, 

but until then, I say u lay off those cheap blunts u’ve clearly been smoking, 

PS. If any one on NL or any where else would change ones opinion, then I suggest they think twice about their opinion,

heck if u idolize tu pac then do whatever is clever, and stay doing your thing, that’s all there is to it!!

I’m just about done wid this hot mess, clearly, . . . . . . . .but trust me I wont hesitate to return if I have to. . . deuces!!!!

Toyosi,

Oya come inside now. Enuff of this fight, Have you completed your assignment?

Oh gosh! Not again!

Firstly, who are those shouting M.I. is overrated? Y'all are just a bunch of haters. I think he's one of the best in Nigeria and because he's fresh, he has a lot of hype around him. You jealous people should leave M.I alone to his newly found success.

Secondly, those who are talking about Will Smith . . . in fact, I have nothing to say cos he's not even rated at all (under or over).

Lastly, who opens their mouth to say 2pac is overrated? As in what kind of cotton wool do you need to remove from your ears to hear his words? I feel like those who do not have the capacity to understand his lyrics would not know how to give him the proper respect he deserves. I am tired of arguing about this. I feel like this was settled on other threads. . . I can't shout.

Fortunately I haven’t come across any other moronic thread like this, were peeps state the obvious an it becomes a taboo,

I’ll say it today, and I’ll say it forever Tu Pac is so grossly overrated, anyone who it pinches so much can take a leap into the Nile,

its as simple as that!!

What stupid lyrics, . . . . lyrics ma foot!! He’s early works were fine, He had insane rock-star charisma,

His booming baritone voice gave baselines competition for the most-trunk-rattling part of a hip-hop song,

but aside that there was nothing else to him!! Ma bestie likened him to Elvis; I guess he is that overrated . . .ouch!!

dayokanu:

Toyosi,

Oya come inside now. Enuff of this fight, Have you completed your assignment?

Tee hee hee. . . . I'm on break jare. . .  . .and u trust im staying on top of ma Acada. . . .so no qualms!!

Tupac was good in everything till his heart stopped beating. He's just the epitome of everything solid
His style today has influenced many of the rappers and I dare anyone to go and repeat the fact that he's overrated to any rapper alive and see what they say.
One man's food is another man's poison.
Everyone is Elvis these days. . . Tupac, and recently as eldee mentioned, Jay-Z. who else is our wonderful Elvis likened to?

Only on NL do I hear things like this and it's a good thing everyone has their own opinion.

The first person who comes to mind, Lil' Wayne. I just don't see why he's called a "lyrical genius".

It will be all well and groovy if everyones opinion, is treated as such, . . . . . . . an opinion, read and then move on!!

If u have something of great input to add, it even makes it all the more intresting,  . . . . .  .i will read peoples opinion, the intelligent ones,

i agree wid an add ma two cents as well!!

What good would going before any rapper do??. . . .do they feed me?? Do i work for Rolling Stone?? Or VIBE??

there are magazines, biographies, and even movies that attest to this . . . . . .  .

even more importantly the work he left behind, an it is from this people are able to critic and formulate their own views and judgements so to speak!!

This isn't Ini Edo's Wedding pictures thread. . . .where we see pics and comment!!

It is an artiste who left behind half a legacy. . . .and is still being blown way outta propotion today. . . .thats is so so wrong!!

chiogo:

@Bamsyle, I totally agree with you on the Tupac/kanye issue. But remember, it's a matter of opinion, people are always going to believe what they want to so don't be so harsh on Toyosi20. I sure as hell know Nairaland members won't change my opinion about something I strongly believe in. psh!!

Hehehe . . . I feel ya . . . you know a point comes in every debate when you just know that going on would be like casting your pearls before swine . . . I recognize intelligence when I see one and gurl you sure have a great I.Q!!!

Moonstone:

Lastly, who opens their mouth to say 2pac is overrated? As in what kind of cotton wool do you need to remove from your ears to hear his words? I feel like those who do not have the capacity to understand his lyrics would not know how to give him the proper respect he deserves. I am tired of arguing about this. I feel like this was settled on other threads. . . I can't shout.

Hehehe . . . save your breath . . . wait for someone with at least average enough intelligence to take up on that . . . 

Moonstone:

Tupac was good in everything till his heart stopped beating. He's just the epitome of everything solid
His style today has influenced many of the rappers and I dare anyone to go and repeat the fact that he's overrated to any rapper alive and see what they say.
One man's food is another man's poison.
Everyone is Elvis these days. . . Tupac, and recently as eldee mentioned, Jay-Z. who else is our wonderful Elvis likened to?

Only on NL do I hear things like this and it's a good thing everyone has their own opinion.

Great point gurl . . . this is spelled L-E-G-A-C-Y . . .

I like having discussions with peops like you . . . the mere fact that you're even coherent with your points to start with . . . and you can type in English Language devoid of grammatical boomshakas . . . 

I said it before . . . opinions, like gas and water, should be billed . . . and the world'll be a better place to live in . . . 

More of such intelligent inputs please . . . 

Bamsyle:

C'mon you can't equate what someone says on a rap song with what he says in real life . . . bragging is to Rap Music what green is to the Naija flag . . . how can you compare what someone says on records with what he storms the venue of a Music Award Show to say

Jay-Z boycotted the Grammys over the same issue . . . my case rests

A-40:

@eldee
Dude you got a couple of lines on that verse wrong period! i don't do azlyrics.com its strictly ohhla.com (original hip hop lyrics archive) for me i pulled out a line that if Nas had spat you would leave Chinua Achebe and Wole Soyinka scampering for a dictionary with the superlatives you would use to describe that line which clearly shows your bias for Kanye

Now don't get me wrong i like Kanye and prefer him to Fiddy and most of the rappers out there but some of the words you have embellished on him are getting me nauseous as Bamsyle has rightly pointed out he has dumbed down and lets not forget for a rapper who has made 60-70% of his hits with samples (he was even subtly dissed to his face with it on an old Nick Cannon "Wild and out" show) its not out of place to say he's over-rated infact i won't be wrong if i called him America's answer to Olu and Tolu Maintain

Now you're doing a Jackal over one word?? Jocking/Checking . . . release 'em straws bruv
What superlative have I used on him?? Most creative?? He shows improvement?? He's brave?? Dude . . .

He made his hit's with samples . . . so that's why he should hang on the cross upside-down??
It's called SIGNATURE STYLE!!! If sampling has given us great songs like Ether, Mo MoneyMo Problems, even Jay-Z's latest single . . .
Sampling is what he does . . . if he keeps dropping hits, then it's okay with me, and the Grammys too

Personally, I think he's an overrated rapper too . . . but a much too underrated artiste

chiogo:

I sure as hell know Nairaland members won't change my opinion about something I strongly believe in. psh!!

You see, in Dre's words. . . that's the difference between me and you
If your opinion makes sense, with good arguments to prove it, there's nothing wrong with me accepting where and where I've been wrong
That's how I learn . . . this whole thing bout glueing to your onions is childish _{erm okay maybe not on anything that has to do with Arsenal}

Lastly, let me end this Pac issue . . . all dead rappers are maybe a little overrated maybe a tiny bit, even Proof was hailed as the next to Eminem only after he died
If I wanted to become a rapper today, I'd just release ten albums, get into a big fight and make sure I die fighting . . . Infact, I go big pass M.I

Okay, finally lastly . . . one rapper whose influence cannot be denied
Name a rapper I aint influenced - NAS

ELVIS HAS LEFT THE BUILDING

Bamsyle, shut the hell up. You are suffering from analysis paralysis. 2Pac is the most overrated motha that ever lived. You can take that to the bank. If not for borrowing beats from Dre & Daz, hooks from Dave Hollister, Zapp & Roger and so on, 2Pac is straight wack. His acting is better than his rapping. . . . .and he aint even a top 100 actor.

All my niggas can you heeeeeeeeeeeaaar meeeeeeee/
I think niggas is tryna kiiiiiiiill meeeeeeeeeeee/
Picture me pissed, hollow points when they driiiiiiill me/


What kind of primary school raps are these?


Bombaclaaart!

@ibeme
serious craze dey worry u,na 2pac u dey yab like dat

Ibime:

All my niggas can you heeeeeeeeeeeaaar meeeeeeee/
I think niggas is tryna kiiiiiiiill meeeeeeeeeeee/
Picture me pissed, hollow points when they driiiiiiill me/


What kind of primary school raps are these?


Bombaclaaart!

Chei!!! Hehehehe

See as Ibime wan close thread oohhh!!!
Reminds me of one Modenine thread . . . one badman just posted 'Long neck like guinea-fowl . . . head like cocoyam'
Till today, that thread is on end of discussion

Two words,

                        LIL WAYNE

@Eldee

. . . Quit this straight clowning and get a grip yo . . . Jay-Z boycotted but can you quote him for saying anythang

On the Pac et dead rappers issue . . . we might as well conclude then that Big Pun, Left Eye, Big L, and all other dead rappers are overrated . . . you're missing one point . . . if you release 10 wack albums . . . strap up with dynamite and kill yourself . . . no one would give a lean hoot about you . . . you'll be so forgotten like McCain . . . 

2pac was great in his time . . . the reason he gets celebrated more than all other dead rappers combined together is that he worked harder than they did (evidenced by his post-humous hits) . . . he was real . . . he rapped about issues we can all relate with . . . in a generation of rappers who now rap jargons, why won't he be celebrated

@Ibime

No wonder your name sounds like what the Yorubas call "Eran Ibiye" . . . you're so unwell . . .

2pac is one of the few rappers who can rap without having a song hook . . . and still come out great . . .

Tell me the hooks for "So Many Tears", "Life Goes On", "Ambitionz As A Ridah", "Breathin'", "Hennessy" and other hits were borrowed from Dave Hollister, Zapp & Roger and so on . . . you must be a buffoon . . . 

He borrowed beats from Dre and Daz Are you suffering from Autism Since when did having someone produce your tracks become "borrowing"??

Yes . . . and that's what I've been on since . . . some of 2pac's verses may come off as baby raps to you . . . and that's because he was way too opinionated . . . he rapped from a highly opinionated mind . . . said thangs as they were without mincing words . . . or trying to impress his listeners with metas and wordplay . . . he said simple thangs that still made sense all the same.

Ibime, you're deluded . . . this is the simple reason a lot of pupils fail exams . . . an examiner asks a simple question . . . you think you must impress him that you know it all . . . you give a complex answer . . . of course you fail . . . and then complain about how wicked your teacher is . . . 

I don't need the metaphorical out-of-space jargons that some rappers spit. Great lessons are learnt from simple thangs . . . Life is simple, why make it hard for yourself?? 

eldee:

Chei!!! Hehehehe

See as Ibime wan close thread oohhh!!!
Reminds me of one Modenine thread . . . one badman just posted 'Long neck like guinea-fowl . . . head like cocoyam'
Till today, that thread is on end of discussion

Eldee, you're straight clowning I swear . . .

If we begin to post wack lyrics from Kanye West, NL would suffer multiple seizures . . .

You're grinning at the asinine comments coming from a tramp like Ibime Someone who came here to say Kanye West is wack and you couldn't reply him When you even read his siggy you'll know he's the kinda person you should pay no mind . . .

I know you argue more intelligently than this . . . better you close that mouth of yours now and face him on that . . . till then I declare you persona non grata . . . 

Bamsyle:

Yes . . . and that's what I've been on since . . . some of 2pac's verses may come off as baby raps to you . . . and that's because he was way too opinionated . . . he rapped from a highly opinionated mind . . . said thangs as they were without mincing words . . . or trying to impress his listeners with metas and wordplay . . . he said simple thangs that still made sense all the same.

You are obviously deluded. . . . . how can you take your moral compass from a paranoid, loud-mouthed Arrow like 2Pac. . . . is there anything 2Pac said that made sense?. . . . . from rapping about Brenda's baby to making videos where he is ejaculating champagne on topless strippers. . . . to initiating a thug life movement which corrupted a lot of yound heads. . . . what a contradictory buffoon. . . . he had no message. . . . what message?. . . . Kanye has a better message than Pac because Kanye showed that it is alright to be 'straight and narrow' and still be HipHop. . . . if we wanna talk about anyone with a neo-black message, we would be talking about Common, Roots, Mos Def, Talib etc, not confused buffoons like 2Pac who spit primary school raps and justify it by saying the 'meaning is deep'. . . . you are a shame to the educated classes, justifying the tomfoolery 2Pac spit on the excuse that 'it made sense'. . . . everything 2Pac spit was axiomatic wisdom, not something that made me sit back and say "whoa, thats deep!". . .

Another shameless mangy dog hits his keyboard . . . and retches foul-smelling stuff again . . .

A so-called netcee who sh*ts on the following rappers just ain't worth my time:

Dr Dre
2pac
Kanye West

This thread has been desecrated long enough by autistic kids who just came in to grunt like swine . . .

Looking forward to intelligent inputs only . . .

Next

no one has brought more talent or pure musical genius to the hip hop world. no one ever ( common and R are a distant 2nd )
pac *IS* the rating system,
because of who he is, what he had to say, and the reasons he was an artist, he didnt make filler.

dont question pac, it makes you look silly as a music critic. especially a hip hop critic, you shouldn't have thought twice about this. You should have saw it in blender, laughed and walked away.

I didn't really believe Nas until now, but maybe hip hop is dead if we have true music fans questioning the truest legacy to ever live in this game.

there's a difference between pac being overrated and medias making pac overrated, will there ever be a hip hop artist who will say pac didn't play an unplaceble role in hip hop music??

Pacs work speaks 4 him

dammiecool:

Pacs work speaks 4 him

stupid,its pac works speaks 4 him, ruggedman fan

Hehehe . . . y'all just save your points for posters with at least minimum-level IQ . . . not scums . . . their pachydermous brains just can't decipher what you're saying . . .  

lol

Who was it that said that if a business man assumes that most people are idiots, he will surely become a millionaire. 

This is not argument by consensus my friends.

I cannot believe idiots are towing the asinine line that Pac made sense. Do I look like an oppressed Akata that Pac's words should have any meaning to me? Its utter jibberish and conspiracy theories to me, hence I must judge him on his rap skills. . . . which are primary. . . . as admitted by his no 1 fan, Bamsyle.

Ok, it appears that our transient society based upon what have you done for me lately has decide to question the noteriety associated with Tu-Pac. Saying that he was over-rated and I guess they were also attempting to imply that he was not a genius or a creative power during his time. Well lets take a look at other misunderstood white icons that society tends to look over their travesties and embellish their contributions to epic proportions. Edgar Allan Poe was an alcoholic, Albert Einstein operated in a childhood state until the age of 25! Oppenheimer was a questionable member of German loyalist? I could continue on and discuss others from earlier eras such as the bi-sexual Julius Cesar or the adulterous whoremongering Alexander the Great. No, I will not take the muck road instead I will only ask that we examine Tu-Pacs' impact on the rap genre in another 2 decades and lets see how future generations view him as overrated or do they see him as a prolific speaker of his time?

I have always disagreed with ibime about his rap music tastes and now I know why, when faced with the question, "is Tupac overrated?", even

considering it is ridiculous. Listen to any of Tupac's music (particularly the music he released while alive, which is really what he should be judged on) and

you weep when faced with how terrible most rappers are today. He is nearly in a league nearly by himself.