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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Appareil(m): 10:48pm On Sep 19, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by aristosoft(m): 10:57pm On Sep 19, 2015
EdCure:

This is my point exactly!
What stops the governor from arresting the warring parties if he feels that they're breaching the peace of the state or community? Is the feuding pastors now bigger than the entire church, the body of Christ?

A lot of us are good at thinking Retrogressively. The same way the leaders of Boko haram was arrested and killed abi. I'm sure both would have signed undertaking to control their supporters, and that's why they are roaming about freely.
To those saying, Can a christian governor do that to Muslims? Have the Muslims have factions that didn't give way for each other?

Solving Nigeria's problem should start from curing some NL users' lobes.

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by mfm04622: 11:00pm On Sep 19, 2015
EdCure:

This is my point exactly!
What stops the governor from arresting the warring parties if he feels that they're breaching the peace of the state or community? Is the feuding pastors now bigger than the entire church, the body of Christ?

You will raise same criticism if t governors arrest the pastors.

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by shamecurls(m): 11:04pm On Sep 19, 2015
gidjah:
Dont mind dem bro,thats y they live in slavery under their task master(hausas in the north).they do not have a voice of their own,they cant even pactice thier religious rites freely on their own father land!what a mess,the children of kings walking on foot while the sons of slaves(Hagar)riding on Horses !the govr has no right to venture in to the opposite religious matter, WHERE IS HIS ASSISTANT??

Hurts to know you have these kind of sense of Judgement. Did you read the article? I strongly believe its No cos if you did, u wouldnt have concluded in such an irrational manner. We re talking about a threat to security. I will welcome your counter actions if you happen to be the governor of such State.

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Unitedabby(m): 12:42am On Sep 20, 2015
Austin4lif:
that is why catholic opted out of CAN
Catholicism is not the same thing as Christianity ok?!
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Laid2001: 6:11am On Sep 20, 2015
Why are you taking panadol for someone else headache.

You are not another Christian and you have even asserted that you are not a Christian in another tread!

The people concerned have expressed satisfaction with the decision of the state government and you are here spewing rubbish on what does not concern you at all.
Manypeople on this Nairaland are real fools sha Gush!!!



SeverusSnape:
These Northern Christians are not wise, Little wonder the Islamists are lording over them.

Will the Muslims accept this same thing if the governor was a Christian??... You and I knows the state would have gone up in flames by now.

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by deebrain(m): 6:12am On Sep 20, 2015
Doctrines and Egos!

I weep for some of our churches!

If its to tell people how they are not holy enough to make heaven in their condemnation messages, they can preach it. But to call their political egos (which is bringing shame to this church in particular) to order, NO!

I stand to be corrected even by your said scriptures-MORE PROSTITUTES, ARMED ROBBERS, HIRED KILLERS, BOKO HARAM MEMBERS ETC WILL BE RAPTURED THAN MANY OF THESE SO-CALLED "HOLY" CHRISTIANS!
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 6:21am On Sep 20, 2015
SeverusSnape:
These Northern Christians are not wise, Little wonder the Islamists are lording over them.

Will the Muslims accept this same thing if the governor was a Christian??... You and I knows the state would have gone up in flames by now.
u dis guy u've never been objective in ur comments on any issue in dis forum. Is it d muslims fighting ur christian bros now or ur bros r fighting demselves. Was it nt reported on nairaland dt dsame thing happened in one of d churches in d East a couple of days ago?why didn't u flair up at dat?because a muslim gov shut a church now in order to maintain peace it bcoms a problem. Mayb he shld leave ur bros alone to let dem continue their tussle and see if christianity won't b d most affected by it.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Laid2001: 6:26am On Sep 20, 2015
Yes a Christian Governor can closedown a Mosque!.
Amaechi the then Rivers state governor closed down a Jumat Mosque (along Trans Amadi road)and nothing happened. The Muslims moved to another site.

You people are so parochial tribalistic and mostly religious bigots!

A governor has the power to close down anyoutfit be it religious or otherwise especially for security reasons. He can also revoke its C of O and demolish the structure, just like Amaechi did to the mosque in Port Harcourt.!


Austin4lif:
Can a Christian Governor close down a mosque? Shame on CAN
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 6:36am On Sep 20, 2015
bonechamberlain:
ok, all those mosques that preach in support of jihad and extremism should also be closed down.
so u're nt aware of d war against BH,d only supposedly group preaching jihad in d opposite?islam is totally against terrorism and extremism. Meanwhile knw dat jihad doesn't mean terrorism.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 6:50am On Sep 20, 2015
EdCure:
Elrufai is an islamist. It will be very silly for any Christian to support this act of persecution.
Northern Christians need a much stronger unity, love and more emphasis on evangelism, without which, hardline islamists like Elrufai, et al will always have reasons and excuses to bring down churches and scuttle their spread.
www.nairaland.com/2463761/police-shut-enugu-church-pastors
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 6:56am On Sep 20, 2015
dejonathan:
i dont think u read the post..
he read it with his nose
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by dejonathan(f): 7:01am On Sep 20, 2015
Abdulhakeem7:
he read it with his nose
.lol
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 7:04am On Sep 20, 2015
Austin4lif:
Can a Christian Governor close down a mosque? Shame on CAN
are u saying it's better for him to leave dem alone so dat d feud can degenerate into life threatening issue?wise up bro and let's maintain peace
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by bareal(m): 7:16am On Sep 20, 2015
SeverusSnape:
These Northern Christians are not wise, Little wonder the Islamists are lording over them.

Will the Muslims accept this same thing if the governor was a Christian??... You and I knows the state would have gone up in flames by now.

That's not wisdom on the part of the Muslims by Ur analysis but rather intolerance and impatience ...one can't be right all the time
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 7:16am On Sep 20, 2015
ArodewilliamsT:


I am a not a pdp fan either, I am a Biafran, but anything against the fulani-led Islamic brotherhood party called APC is ok by me, even kowa or accord.
dis is d reason why d igbos wil remain whr dey are.......hatred since d beginning of creatn. Come to think of it ooo, d igbos flood everywhr all over nigeria for their businesses yet dey crave to b carved out of naija....hmmm

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by adanny01(m): 7:46am On Sep 20, 2015
Kellyclef:
The Muslims don't have divided mosques only one like the Catholic church have one doctrine.

The muslim have divided mosques too.

Sunni and Shi'ite/Shia are major doctrinal differences in Islam and have seperate mosques. Others are Alawi, Wahabi and Sufi. They are just like Catholic, Protestant and the othordox churchs. There is local ones they call Izala society or JIBWIS of Northern Nigeria and NASFAT society of Southwest Nigeria. All these groups worship seperately. NASFAT specifically do sunday prayer meetings apart from the friday Jumu'ah prayers.

Sufi are the most friendly and free with Christians while Wahabi is most hostile especially to the west. Taliban and Al Qaida are Wahabi Muslims

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by gidjah(m): 7:53am On Sep 20, 2015
Sorry i bursted ur bubbles over this matter.you really dnt know where i am coming from,i wnt even drag matters wt u on this one,only those who have grown up their entire life up north and to be particular,that same state,would know where i am on this matter.if d govr were to be a christian,he wont be able to take such against the muslims,that state for don catch fire by now.ask my hausa brozas living in that state.once again,where was his assistant?,he could have handed over dat power to him(Arch Barnabas bala bantex).By d way, the govr is my friend,i mean my personal friend,so no beef bro
shamecurls:


Hurts to know you have these kind of sense of Judgement. Did you read the article? I strongly believe its No cos if you did, u wouldnt have concluded in such an irrational manner. We re talking about a threat to security. I will welcome your counter actions if you happen to be the governor of such State.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Austin4lif: 7:54am On Sep 20, 2015
Unitedabby:
Catholicism is not the same thing as Christianity ok?!
make sure u and ur family go to that heaven and leave catholics behind. Nonsense
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Austin4lif: 8:03am On Sep 20, 2015
Laid2001:
Yes a Christian Governor can closedown a Mosque!.
Amaechi the then Rivers state governor closed down a Jumat Mosque (along Trans Amadi road)and nothing happened. The Muslims moved to another site.

You people are so parochial tribalistic and mostly religious bigots!

A governor has the power to close down anyoutfit be it religious or otherwise especially for security reasons. He can also revoke its C of O and demolish the structure, just like Amaechi did to the mosque in Port Harcourt.!


ameachi demolished the mosque and churches due to the demolition exercise going on in that area. Houses and places of worship were also affected ok. My question to u nw is that, can a Christian governor close down a mosque because IZala and sunni are having issues? Have u ever seen churches carrying arms? U urself can u help in closing down a mosque? If muslims want boko haram to end the can do it by exposing them. U call us Kafari and infidels yet ur refugees are troping into europe were women are dressing half naked. I stand to be corrected, pls give me 5 good examples with the contemporary current world situations on why I should regard islam as a religion of peace. Thank u
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Austin4lif: 8:05am On Sep 20, 2015
Abdulhakeem7:
so u're nt aware of d war against BH,d only supposedly group preaching jihad in d opposite?islam is totally against terrorism and extremism. Meanwhile knw dat jihad doesn't mean terrorism.
but it means killing Jews and christians, yes or no?
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by bonechamberlain(m): 10:09am On Sep 20, 2015
Abdulhakeem7:
so u're nt aware of d war against BH,d only supposedly group preaching jihad in d opposite?islam is totally against terrorism and extremism. Meanwhile knw dat jihad doesn't mean terrorism.
pls what does jihad mean.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 12:59pm On Sep 20, 2015
bonechamberlain:
pls what does jihad mean.
jihad simply means striving. It's only dat people mis interpret it to b war. A student who strive hard to pass exams has done jihad,someone who strive hard to leave immoral ways of life has done jihad and etc. Killing innocent people is regarded as a great sin in Islam. The prophet Muhammad said it dat whosoever dat his neighbors are not safe because of his evil wil not enter paradise. I hope I've been able to answer u clearly.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 1:16pm On Sep 20, 2015
Austin4lif:
but it means killing Jews and christians, yes or no?
No. It means striving. No one has d right to kill another unjustly. Islam never preaches to kill any innocent person. Those dat are killing people indiscriminately all over d world in d name of Islam are doing dat on their own and not representing Islam in any guise. Prophet Muhammad lived in peace and harmony with both christians and jews and he didn't kill dem or instruct anyone to kill dem. People are just taking jihad as war because of ignorance. I hope u got d explanatn well.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by cornelin(m): 2:20pm On Sep 20, 2015
What happens to right to religion? Does it means that the muslims don't make some sort of noise? If it is not religious centredness, then he should simply call the christian folks to find a way to minimise the level of the noise, otherwise, there should the ban should be extended to christians, muslims, traditionalists, pegans, atheists...Else the mofo is a religious bigot.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by bonechamberlain(m): 2:44pm On Sep 20, 2015
Abdulhakeem7:
jihad simply means striving. It's only dat people mis interpret it to b war. A student who strive hard to pass exams has done jihad,someone who strive hard to leave immoral ways of life has done jihad and etc. Killing innocent people is regarded as a great sin in Islam. The prophet Muhammad said it dat whosoever dat his neighbors are not safe because of his evil wil not enter paradise. I hope I've been able to answer u clearly.
ok.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by deelobe: 6:53pm On Sep 20, 2015
SeverusSnape:
These Northern Christians are not wise, Little wonder the Islamists are lording over them.

Will the Muslims accept this same thing if the governor was a Christian??... You and I knows the state would have gone up in flames by now.
Just my point. What he doesn't know is the cane they used for the senior wife is waiting to be used for the junior. Why would CAn condone such an action and aupport it. It can never happen to a mosque

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Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by free13: 11:56am On Sep 21, 2015
SeverusSnape:
These Northern Christians are not wise, Little wonder the Islamists are lording over them.

Will the Muslims accept this same thing if the governor was a Christian??... You and I knows the state would have gone up in flames by now.
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by lastpage: 3:21pm On Sep 21, 2015
Abdulhakeem7:
jihad simply means striving. It's only dat people mis interpret it to b war. A student who strive hard to pass exams has done jihad,someone who strive hard to leave immoral ways of life has done jihad and etc. Killing innocent people is regarded as a great sin in Islam. The prophet Muhammad said it dat whosoever dat his neighbors are not safe because of his evil wil not enter paradise. I hope I've been able to answer u clearly.

You have tried but what it not the same Prophet who said in the "holy" Quaran, the quoted verses below?

How do you RECONCILE these verses of the Quaran, with your assertion that "Killing innocent people (People who dont share nor believe in your faith, or have had enough of it and wants out to embrace other religions, ...especially) is a SIN in Islam?

Is the Quaran WRONG ...or is it the Prophet that is WRONG ..... or are you just taking a piss at us here?


QUARAN:

(9:5) And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the infidels/idolaters wherever you find them
Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out.
Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."
Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally.

Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction."

Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (meaning Christians and Jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

10 Other verses that calls for kill the infidels (non-muslims) in the Quran
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Quran (2:191-193)
Quran (2:244)
Quran (2:216)
Quran (3:56)
Quran (3:151)
Quran (4:74)

Just quote each verse and explain if you think i means something else.



Lastpage!
Re: Shut Churches: Kaduna Christians Back El-rufai by Abdulhakeem7(m): 5:37am On Sep 22, 2015
lastpage:


You have tried but what it not the same Prophet who said in the "holy" Quaran, the quoted verses below?

How do you RECONCILE these verses of the Quaran, with your assertion that "Killing innocent people (People who dont share nor believe in your faith, or have had enough of it and wants out to embrace other religions, ...especially) is a SIN in Islam?

Is the Quaran WRONG ...or is it the Prophet that is WRONG ..... or are you just taking a piss at us here?




Just quote each verse and explain if you think i means something else.



Lastpage!
One unique thing about d Quran is dat it was revealed in peace meal according to how events unfolded. During d lifetime of d prophet Muhammad,d unbelievers waged severe wars against him and d muslims to d extent dat they suffered economic boycots and d likes. There were also among d christians and d jews dat did d same to d early muslims hence d instruction by Allah to wage war against dem too. At d same time there were very friendly christians and jews that lived with d muslims den and d prophet Muhammad and d entire muslims were equally friendly with dem. There was a particular jewish boy dat was his friend,he loved him so much dat he frequently checked on him. Wen he(d boy) ws about to die d prophet ws there and he told him to say d shahadah and his father supported him to obey d prophet, he said it and died. Could his father have done dat if d prophet wasn't friendly wit his family?

There was a particular time dat d pagans were fighting d muslims and some muslims wanted to run to d christians to take refuge so dat they wouldn't be killed by d pagans and Allah revealed a verse dat they shouldn't take d christians as friends/guardians. This means dat they shld stay with their fellow muslims and fight d pagans together. And as per d verse u related jihad as war,yes it's true in dat context meaning they shld strive hard to wage war against d pagans. So it's not really dat jihad literally means holy war.

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