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1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 2:01am On Oct 13, 2015
A - The Messiah must be from the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10).
Under Jewish law, tribal affiliation is conferred through the birth father only (Numbers 1:18-44,34:14,Leviticus 24:10) . Jesus fails in this regard, as he didn't have a birth father from the tribe of Judah. He wasn't a physical descendant of David. Jesus was at best, a test tube baby; at worst, a well-conceived trick played on Joseph by his fiance Mary.

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“a) There is no Biblical basis for the idea of a father passing on his tribal line by adoption. A priest who adopts a son from another tribe cannot make him a priest by adoption;

“b) Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesn't have. Because Joseph descended from Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) he fell under the curse of that king that none of his descendants could ever sit as king upon the throne of David. (Jeremiah 22:30; 36:30)
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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by lewisacid(m): 2:06am On Oct 13, 2015
Na una knw...I rep Jesus...

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 2:17am On Oct 13, 2015
lewisacid:
Na una knw...I rep Jesus...

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 10:55am On Oct 13, 2015
Vooks sukkot whaddyathink?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by sukkot: 11:18am On Oct 13, 2015
[b]well your premise is faulty to start with. I dont know if you are aware of creative symbolic writing. the bible is abstract and symbolic. Jesus actually is the word of God. this is why it is said Jesus was without sin and is perfect. Because the word of God is perfect. but no human born of flesh is perfect. our righteousness is as filthy rags. So the word of God is presented as an entity called Jesus and the bible is written as the interaction of the word of God with people. This word of God called Jesus has many followers called disciples. Now this word of God will be the savior of mankind so the word means ' SAVIOR '. jesus means savior. CHRIST means anointed . so there are few men who are chosen to understand the deeper meaning of this word meaning they are ANOINTED ( christ ) with the word ( JESUS ), or what the bible calls they are ' sealed with the word '. These elect men are the men known as JESUS CHRIST which means ' anointed with the word '. and there are many christs not just one.[/b]

so you can see how faulty your question is

1 corinthians 15 vs 23 Christ the firstfruits <<< many christs. so you see, when people read the bible they dont pay attention to grammar and tenses and singular or plural. they have a preconceived notion of who they think Jesus christ is from the church so they read the bible to fulfill that notion.

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. <<< jesus is the word of GOD. not a human being

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by vooks: 12:30pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
Vooks sukkot whaddyathink?
Jesus is the Son of the Living God
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by MrPresident1: 1:08pm On Oct 13, 2015
vooks:

Jesus is the Son of the Living God

And he is Negro cool
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 1:17pm On Oct 13, 2015
MrPresident1:


And he is Negro cool
Jay-Z is also negro. Why don't you worship Him?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by MrPresident1: 1:19pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

Jay-Z is also negro. Why don't you worship Him?

is Jay-Z Christ?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 1:21pm On Oct 13, 2015
sukkot:
[b]well your premise is faulty to start with. I dont know if you are aware of creative symbolic writing. the bible is abstract and symbolic. Jesus actually is the word of God. this is why it is said Jesus was without sin and is perfect. Because the word of God is perfect. but no human born of flesh is perfect. our righteousness is as filthy rags. So the word of God is presented as an entity called Jesus and the bible is written as the interaction of the word of God with people. This word of God called Jesus has many followers called disciples. Now this word of God will be the savior of mankind so the word means ' SAVIOR '. jesus means savior. CHRIST means anointed . so there are few men who are chosen to understand the deeper meaning of this word meaning they are ANOINTED ( christ ) with the word ( JESUS ), or what the bible calls they are ' sealed with the word '. These elect men are the men known as JESUS CHRIST which means ' anointed with the word '. and there are many christs not just one.[/b]
In other to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.


On a serious note though, are you saying the 'WORD OF GOD' and the 'MESSIAH' are different? Did Jesus fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 1:22pm On Oct 13, 2015
MrPresident1:


is Jay-Z Christ?
There are Many Christs - Sukkot

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 1:22pm On Oct 13, 2015
vooks:

Jesus is the Son of the Living God
Is he the Messiah?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by MrPresident1: 1:23pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

There are Many Christs - Sukkot

You think Jay-Z is one of them?

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 1:24pm On Oct 13, 2015
MrPresident1:


You think Jay-Z is one of them?
What would disqualify him? His mom isn't a virgin? undecided

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by MrPresident1: 1:28pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

What would disqualify him? His mom isn't a virgin? undecided

Lets ask his momma. Would you do that and revert?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by sukkot: 2:49pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

In other to understand recursion, one must first understand recursion.


On a serious note though, are you saying the 'WORD OF GOD' and the 'MESSIAH' are different? Did Jesus fulfill the prophecies of the Old Testament?
old testament and new testament are the same book. i have come in the volume of the book. in fact the events spoken about in many books in the old testament are newer than the new testament. all the prophets in the old testament were speaking about today. mostly about america. the point being christianity has wrongly had people thinking the old testament is extinct. there are many prophesies in the old testament that are being fulfilled as we speak and many are yet to be fulfilled like when you read the later chapters of isaiah like around the fifties and sixtieth chapters, those have not been fulfilled. all the prophets in the old testament are speaking about america today. point being the old testament is more relevant than the new testament.

the word of God is the messiah. messiah means ' anointed one '. the word of God is the anointed out of all the philosophies and doctrines in this world. you have to learn how to get into the etymology of words or you will be caught up in mythology
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by vooks: 3:33pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

Is he the Messiah?
He is the Messiah
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by malvisguy212: 9:56pm On Oct 13, 2015
sonOfLucifer:
A - The Messiah must be from the tribe of Judah (Genesis 49:10).
Under Jewish law, tribal affiliation is conferred through the birth father only (Numbers 1:18-44,34:14,Leviticus 24:10) . Jesus fails in this regard, as he didn't have a birth father from the tribe of Judah. He wasn't a physical descendant of David. Jesus was at best, a test tube baby; at worst, a well-conceived trick played on Joseph by his fiance Mary.

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if Jesus is the biological son of Joseph it mean , Jesus fall into the curse of jaconiah, being the legal son mean He bypass the curse.

People who were adopted were considered "sons", and their "seed" throughout history. Even today, when people are adopted, they are considered part of the blood line in family trees, and take the family name, and inherit family fortunes as if they were the "seed".

Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a SON,"

The writers of the New Testament understood that in order to be a "son", one need not be a physical descendant. This is proof.

the Gospel teaches plainly that we are all the adopted sons and daughters of Abraham by faith. Even though those who are Gentiles have no blood lineage back to Abraham, they are nevertheless his sons and daughters through faith in Christ. Likewise, we become the sons and daughters of Christ through adoption. The principle of adoption is important, and the origin of the one to whom we are adopted to is therefore important. And the origin of Christ is God.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Lanre747: 11:03pm On Oct 13, 2015
malvisguy212:
if Jesus is the biological son of Joseph it mean , Jesus fall into the curse of jaconiah, being the legal son mean He bypass the curse.

People who were adopted were considered "sons", and their "seed" throughout history. Even today, when people are adopted, they are considered part of the blood line in family trees, and take the family name, and inherit family fortunes as if they were the "seed".

Matthew 1:23, "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a SON,"

The writers of the New Testament understood that in order to be a "son", one need not be a physical descendant. This is proof.

the Gospel teaches plainly that we are all the adopted sons and daughters of Abraham by faith. Even though those who are Gentiles have no blood lineage back to Abraham, they are nevertheless his sons and daughters through faith in Christ. Likewise, we become the sons and daughters of Christ through adoption. The principle of adoption is important, and the origin of the one to whom we are adopted to is therefore important. And the origin of Christ is God.

Wrong wrong wrong.
This is what God permitted: If a man died without having male offspring to continue his line, his nearest male relative was commanded to sleep with his wife to produce a male heir. (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
Onan refused to perform his duty in this manner so God took his life (Genesis 38:3-10).

Roman law, by contrast, allowed a man to create an heir from outside his family. Hence, we can conclude that, if the claim of a virgin birth is correct, this disqualifies Jesus from being a Messiah.
If he is indeed the son of Joseph, this too, disqualifies Him since He would fall under the curse of Jeconias.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!

I only believe and follow the old testament. The crazy romans have confused you with a 'new testament".
Stick with the OT and you shall not be confused.

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by plaetton: 11:28pm On Oct 13, 2015
sukkot:
[b]well your premise is faulty to start with. I dont know if you are aware of creative symbolic writing. the bible is abstract and symbolic. Jesus actually is the word of God. this is why it is said Jesus was without sin and is perfect. Because the word of God is perfect. but no human born of flesh is perfect. our righteousness is as filthy rags. So the word of God is presented as an entity called Jesus and the bible is written as the interaction of the word of God with people. This word of God called Jesus has many followers called disciples. Now this word of God will be the savior of mankind so the word means ' SAVIOR '. jesus means savior. CHRIST means anointed . so there are few men who are chosen to understand the deeper meaning of this word meaning they are ANOINTED ( christ ) with the word ( JESUS ), or what the bible calls they are ' sealed with the word '. These elect men are the men known as JESUS CHRIST which means ' anointed with the word '. and there are many christs not just one.[/b]

so you can see how faulty your question is

1 corinthians 15 vs 23 Christ the firstfruits <<< many christs. so you see, when people read the bible they dont pay attention to grammar and tenses and singular or plural. they have a preconceived notion of who they think Jesus christ is from the church so they read the bible to fulfill that notion.

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. <<< jesus is the word of GOD. not a human being



Pure, unadulterated Bullshyte,

Now, by the same exact logic, Jesus is also the word of the tooth fairy.

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by sukkot: 12:04am On Oct 14, 2015
plaetton:




Pure, unadulterated Bullshyte,

Now, by the same exact logic, Jesus is also the word of the tooth fairy.
bruh, this convo not for atheists wink
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by plaetton: 1:41am On Oct 14, 2015
sukkot:
bruh, this convo not for atheists wink

Lol.
For the fear that reason might interfere? grin

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Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by lepasharon(f): 1:56am On Oct 14, 2015
This information will go over their heads. Well, unless ur a JW lipsrsealed
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 6:50am On Oct 14, 2015
Lanre747:


Wrong wrong wrong.
This is what God permitted: If a man died without having male offspring to continue his line, his nearest male relative was commanded to sleep with his wife to produce a male heir. (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
Onan refused to perform his duty in this manner so God took his life (Genesis 38:3-10).

Roman law, by contrast, allowed a man to create an heir from outside his family. Hence, we can conclude that, if the claim of a virgin birth is correct, this disqualifies Jesus from being a Messiah.
If he is indeed the son of Joseph, this too, disqualifies Him since He would fall under the curse of Jeconias.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!

I only believe and follow the old testament. The crazy romans have confused you with a 'new testament".
Stick with the OT and you shall not be confused.
Summed it up perfectly.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by malvisguy212: 9:07am On Oct 14, 2015
Lanre747:


Wrong wrong wrong.
This is what God permitted: If a man died without having male offspring to continue his line, his nearest male relative was commanded to sleep with his wife to produce a male heir. (Deuteronomy 25:5-10).
Onan refused to perform his duty in this manner so God took his life (Genesis 38:3-10).

Roman law, by contrast, allowed a man to create an heir from outside his family. Hence, we can conclude that, if the claim of a virgin birth is correct, this disqualifies Jesus from being a Messiah.
If he is indeed the son of Joseph, this too, disqualifies Him since He would fall under the curse of Jeconias.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!

I only believe and follow the old testament. The crazy romans have confused you with a 'new testament".
Stick with the OT and you shall not be confused.
let me ask you a question. The op say "Under Jewish law, tribal affiliation is conferred through the birth father only" what is the point of given Joseph genealogy in the bible ?

Luke was a physician (gentile, he was raised in a Greek socity ) luke trace Jesus biological line , luke focus on the humanity of Jesus that is why luke always add the phrase "son of man"
,luke add NATHAN (ONE OF DAVID SON) Nathan has a direct bloodline to Mary. and follows their lineage until he arrives
at Eli, who is the father of Mary. You'll
notice that verse 23 states"Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age, being
supposedly the son of Joseph, the son of
Eli." The Greek words used here imply
that this assumption is not accurate. In
other words, the sentence could read
that people thought Him to be offspring
of Joseph, but He (Jesus) was physically from Eli's lineage through his mother. This indicate Jesus inherit the throne of David.
Note: the prophecy say in Isaiah 7:13, "And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David." meaning from the HOUSEHOLD of David.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Ganjafama(m): 2:15pm On Oct 14, 2015
malvisguy212:
but He (Jesus) was physically from Eli's lineage through his mother. This indicate Jesus inherit the throne of David.
Note: the prophecy say in Isaiah 7:13, "And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David." meaning from the HOUSEHOLD of David.
You christians like twisting facts to support your arguement. You and I know that the ancient hebrew tradition does not consider women in ancestry.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by malvisguy212: 2:51pm On Oct 14, 2015
Ganjafama:
You christians like twisting facts to support your arguement. You and I know that the ancient hebrew tradition does not consider women in ancestry.
why are you allowing the devil to manipulate you ? Don't you see the point in luke ? Joseph stand as representatives to Mary , Man and wife are one flesh, and both are known by the same name. God called both Adam and Eve "Adam" (Gen.5:2). Joseph and Mary could have been known as "Joseph", just has Adam and Eve were known as "Adam".
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Ganjafama(m): 3:54pm On Oct 14, 2015
malvisguy212:
why are you allowing the devil to manipulate you ? Don't you see the point in luke ? Joseph stand as representatives to Mary , Man and wife are one flesh, and both are known by the same name. God called both Adam and Eve "Adam" (Gen.5:2). Joseph and Mary could have been known as "Joseph", just has Adam and Eve were known as "Adam".
I married the daughter of the king of Saudi Arabia, so that automatically makes my children princes and princesses. Or my mum is Hausa and my dad Ijaw, that means I am a Hausa man. For ur info Satan does not manipulate one. Anything we do we do out of our own freewill.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Richirich713: 5:11pm On Oct 14, 2015
Why do u call urself the Son of lucifer?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by malvisguy212: 6:47pm On Oct 14, 2015
Ganjafama:
I married the daughter of the king of Saudi Arabia, so that automatically makes my children princes and princesses. Or my mum is Hausa and my dad Ijaw, that means I am a Hausa man. For ur info Satan does not manipulate one. Anything we do we do out of our own freewill.
stop using your false logic on scripture. Luke 3 gives the lineage of Jesus through
Mary. Her ancestor was David through
his son Nathan, so she is of the tribe of
Judah. Matthew gives the lineage of
Joseph and Joseph was a descendant of
David through his son Solomon. So he too was of the tribe of Judah. And the prophecy in isaiah indicate it was a future event.
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Nobody: 8:40pm On Oct 14, 2015
Richirich713:
Why do u call urself the Son of lucifer?
Why do you want to know?
Re: 1 Reason Jesus Isn't The Messiah by Richirich713: 9:10pm On Oct 14, 2015
sonOfLucifer:

Why do you want to know?

Cuz I wud like to no wer u got the idea of a being named lucifer.

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