bigfrancis21:


@bold...aha! That is what I have been telling you all along but it failed to sink in all these while. My message finally starts sinking in. Are you trying to turn around and 'teach' me what I have been yelling out at you since the past 5 days? I have kept saying it, Yorubas started film making in Nigeria in the form of theatrical plays but the section of Nigeria's movie industry called Nollywood proper specialized in producing films in celluloids, tapes etc. started with the Igbos and is still controlled by the Igbos till today, accommodating non Igbo speakers such as Olu Jacobs and also giving non-Igbo producers such Kunle Afolayan the opportunity to showcase his talent within the English-Igbo movie industry. It is often a wonder Kunle Afolayan cannot make any major movie hit within his native Yoruba movie industry but chooses to produce within the English Igbo-controlled movie industry. What do the Igbos get in return? Mockery, accusations and whatnot for their generosity. You need not even reveal your personal life on here, it is totally needless to the discourse at hand her. To be honest, you have been the one since the last 5 days arguing aimlessly and pushing your luck too far against the obvious. You cannot back up your twisted 'fact' with any reliable source. Not even one. Your frantic efforts at finding one article, just one article, to support your twisted reasoning keeps failing because there are none online and offline and suddenly you realize you stand alone in your illusion. You are only beginning to realize your folly after all.

Omg! You are a daft one. When I said Nollywood is made up of several companies I expected any sensible human being to think companies like FAD productions, Chico Ejiro Productions, WAP etc

Yoruba producers like Ade Love, Tunde Kelani, Adabayo Salami have been producing celluloids
I told you that you are a novice, you just argue aimlessly . I wonder why a human being would be arguing about what he has never been exposed to

Olu Jacobs still acts yoruba movies. .. he is active in both yoruba and English movies. . He started wit yoruba movies. He owes nothing to Igbos. .. Rather he contributes to the industry as a Yoruba Nigerian

Igbos aren't accommodating anybody. . Nollywood is a Nigerian property. . Its called Nollywood not "igbowood"
Non igbos make better films than igbos. ..this is a fact

You are yet to mention the names of these igbos running the industry
These igbos that Edo man like Lancelot has to beg for accommodation.
I've never heard of begging someone for accommodation in a movie industry. .. igbos would Come up with all sorts of lies

DikeOha882:
Macoffuu the clown, I give up on you for comparing Olujacobs to Ogadagidi Pete Edochie, Comparing his wife to Mama G is an insult that will take you Mba Ji asaa, two white cocks to cleanse, the other one's you mentioned are good but not better than the Igbo folks, pls note ramsey Is not yoloba

Olu Jacobs has taken many of the roles that would ordinarily go to Pete Edochie. I respect Pete Edochie. . But the fact that Olu Jacobs takes his roles in movies, such that Edochie was so frustrated he complained about it publicly some years ago, proves that Olu Jacobs is his superior

Mama G is a village champion please, great actress yes but where Joke Silver has entered, ur mama g can never see

DikeOha882:
The so called kunde afolayaa was mentored by the late Amaka Igwe

Sharap you foolish liar. Tunde Kelani is his mentor, Ade Love (Kunle 's father) was Kelani's mentor

bigfrancis21:


The same way several Yoruba music artists are mentored by Igbos in the music industry. P-Square mentored May D, Don Jazzy mentored Reekado Banks and crew etc.

why didn't they mentor Fellow igbos? Probably cus igbos lack the talent

Yet the igbos in the industry, except for Flavour and Phyno, often use yoruba language to form lyrics

elopee3000:
ur not serious everything about nollywood is igbo set up with with igwe as king the music the play at background or thier names in the movie must be igbo names ,in the whole Africa people from diffrent countries know Nigeria king now as igwe not oba or seriki even in some English movie omotola will add igbo language likewise ini Edo mercy Johnson they speak little igbo ,where is the movies been shot? from enugu asaba onitsha owerri inshort olu Jacob is living in asaba at moment so tell us another story,baba suwe with all the charcoal he has be painting since can u compare him with nkem owo or chiwetalu agu in comedy circle in Africa,why do u think funke akindele is going to enugu every week not mention king of mumu ibu

Hey boy, if you got nothing intelligent to say why not shut it? I mean not that any of you pro-igbo own nollywood folks have any standard human intelligence but you could have stayed away cus you bring nothing new to the table

Actually, ur "Igwe" movies don't portray Igbo kingship. . Those are just for show on the cameras. .. unlike when an Edo "Enogie" or "Oba" or Yoruba "Oba" is portrayed in a movie. . Often times when I hear Edo chants for their King on a movie advert I run to watch it.. you know how many times I watched the trailer for Iyore, and Invasion 1897?
You just cannot compare the works of Non igbos to that of igbos in terms of portraying culture and passing on education through media


I've never seen Omotola speak igbo words..pplease what movie is it? I will go buy it immediately.

macof:



more  lies.   non yorubas that understand yoruba (which  is a lot) watch Yoruba movies.
And Yorubas are more than 35 million. .in nigeria we are close to 45 million  excluding Benin Republic and Togo. ..plus all over west africa and the carribeans that people are interested in Yoruba language movies. ..especially the ones portraying yoruba history. My igbo in laws watch Yoruba movies like no man's business.   At least 60 million people are regulars at watching yoruba movies. I'll say Yoruba movies generate 30% of the Nollywood revenue. Far more than that of Igbo movies
Even Igbos hardly watch igbo movies, they prefer English movies Unlike Yorubas and Hausas

Everyone complains, even the person having it easy wants it easier.  There are Igbo personalities who devote their carrers to Yoruba movies. .. Mike Ezuruonye, Chidi Mokeme,  Emeka Ike have appeared in some Yoruba movies

macof:


why didn't they mentor Fellow igbos? Probably cus igbos lack the talent

Yet the igbos in the industry, except for Flavour and Phyno, often use yoruba language to form lyrics

macof:
Omg! You are a daft one. When I said Nollywood is made up of several companies I expected any sensible human being to think companies like FAD productions, Chico Ejiro Productions, WAP etc

Yoruba producers like Ade Love, Tunde Kelani, Adabayo Salami have been producing celluloids
I told you that you are a novice, you just argue aimlessly . I wonder why a human being would be arguing about what he has never been exposed to

Olu Jacobs still acts yoruba movies. .. he is active in both yoruba and English movies. . He started wit yoruba movies. He owes nothing to Igbos. .. Rather he contributes to the industry as a Yoruba Nigerian

Igbos aren't accommodating anybody. . Nollywood is a Nigerian property. . Its called Nollywood not "igbowood"
Non igbos make better films than igbos. ..this is a fact

You are yet to mention the names of these igbos running the industry
These igbos that Edo man like Lancelot has to beg for accommodation.
I've never heard of begging someone for accommodation in a movie industry. .. igbos would Come up with all sorts of lies

You are merely derailing the thread. It doesn't stop the fact that 'Nollywood is solidly in the hands of Igbo businessmen aka Alaba cartel'. NY Times.

I expected that as an intelligent person you would come up with counter facts to the multiple articles i've posted on this thread to back up their revisionist history but you can't.

Its absurd one lonely internet revisionist is all over the internet trying so hard to 'deconvince' me of some staunch widely-held truth. Come 10 years time, Nollywood is solidly an Igbo empire, accommodating other tribes.

bigfrancis21:


The other producers could possibly be in the next top 10.

Of course, I would rely more on an internet source (oftentimes verifiable) than you, a lonely history revisionist.

Oh please. You are a damned loser. I don't expect you to rely on me, in fact I don't expect you to rely on anybody. ..
You are arguing films with me. .. if you know anything about films in nigeria you wouldn't run to Google for everything, you wouldn't need to, cus you would probably know more about this matter than the authors of the articles you are reading

It's obvious you are completely ignorant of Filmmaking in Nigeria. You only argue cus you want to drive a bigoted opinion into the minds of people who don't have enough clarity on the matter

The history of nollywood is indisputable, it's foundation lies in living in bondage. It has nothing to do with Yoruba cinemas and dramas.

Yorubas could have given their cinemas and TV dramas a name, like Hausas who were early entrants too, gave their industry the name kannywood.

Why Yorubas are not proud of their TV dramas that have since metamorphosed into Yorubawood, but would want to steal nollywood, an Igbo legacy is beyond me.

This is part of the reason we need Biafra ASAP. Enough of this nonsense already.

macof:


Oh please. You are a damned loser. I don't expect you to rely on me, in fact I don't expect you to rely on anybody. ..
You are arguing films with me. .. if you know anything about films in nigeria you wouldn't run to Google for everything, you wouldn't need to, cus you would probably know more about this matter than the authors of the articles you are reading

It's obvious you are completely ignorant of Filmmaking in Nigeria. You only argue cus you want to drive a bigoted opinion into the minds of people who don't have enough clarity on the matter

Dude. I'm not arguing with you. Lol. You're the one feeling like you have to 'prove' a point to me when there is no point to prove. When there is a highly-held truth, there is no need to prove it. The truth itself is bare and I need not 'prove' it to anyone. It is all over the internet. You know nothing about movie production or movies.

pazienza:
The history of nollywood is indisputable, it's foundation lies in living in bondage. It has nothing to do with Yoruba cinemas and dramas.

Odogwu nwoke, I'm waiting for your intelligent input on a thread I created today.

bigfrancis21:






You are merely derailing the thread. It doesn't stop the fact that 'Nollywood is solidly in the hands of Igbo businessmen aka Alaba cartel'. NY Times.

I expected that as an intelligent person you would come up with counter facts to the multiple articles i've posted on this thread to back up their revisionist history but you can't.

it's your foolish likes that derailed the thread making claims that Nollywood is solely owned by Igbos.

Your articles have proved nothing. .. if anything it has made people know that the filmmaking industry (now called Nollywood) was started by Yorubas
I don't need internet articles you fool. I have a brain and experience with Nigerian entertainment and media. ..

This Alaba cartel are in the hands of the market management. . Or are you too uneducated to realize that too?

The term "firm making industry" is nebulous.

What the Yorubas made were dramas, soap operas and TV series.
And that wasn't what nollywood revolution was about.

Nollywood was a different revolution that was well distinct of Yoruba TV dramas and soap operas.

pazienza:
The history of nollywood is indisputable, it's foundation lies in living in bondage. It has nothing to do with Yoruba cinemas and dramas.

Of course, what would a foolish bigot like yourself say.

Everyone knows that filmmaking begins with cinemas. Before box office movies are released in discs and tapes for the open market, they are first taken to the cinema
The industry that yorubas started in the 60s was what the producers of Living in Bondage built upon

macof:


it's your foolish likes that derailed the thread making claims that Nollywood is solely owned by Igbos.

Your articles have proved nothing. .. if anything it has made people know that the filmmaking industry (now called Nollywood) was started by Yorubas
I don't need internet articles you fool. I have a brain and experience with Nigerian entertainment and media. ..

This Alaba cartel are in the hands of the market management. . Or are you too uneducated to realize that too?

Lol. My articles were to not prove anything. They were to educate you on your ignorance.

pazienza:
The history of nollywood is indisputable, it's foundation lies in living in bondage. It has nothing to do with Yoruba cinemas and dramas.

Yorubas could have given their cinemas and TV dramas a name, like Hausas who were early entrants too, gave their industry the name kannywood.

Why Yorubas are not proud of their TV dramas that have since metamorphosed into Yorubawood, but would want to steal nollywood, an Igbo legacy is beyond me.

This is part of the reason we need Biafra ASAP. Enough of this nonsense already.

Trying to steal Nollywood? are you mad?
Nollywood already has indispensable Non igbo contributions, what is there to steal from a free for all industry? Even Ghanaians have a stake

I'll be glad to see Igbos have biafra. . Honestly, a jubilant day. I can't wait for Nnamdi Kanu to be your Biafra president

macof:


Of course, what would a foolish bigot like yourself say.

Everyone knows that filmmaking begins with cinemas. Before box office movies are released in discs and tapes for the open market, they are first taken to the cinema
The industry that yorubas started in the 60s was what the producers of Living in Bondage built upon

You are embarrassing yourself. Nollywood had nothing to do with cinemas, that was typical Hollywood ish that nollywood is recently trying to imbibe.

Nollywood movies moved straight from the producers to marketers at Idumota, Ebinpejo, alaba, ubakason plaza Lagos, 51 iweka road onitsha, 5 pounds road Aba, in tapes to shops nearest to the consumers.

That was the supply chain.

What Yorubas did were mere soap operas and dramas people watched daily or weekey in public local Yoruba stations.

It wasn't a very much lucrative business.

macof:


Of course, what would a foolish bigot like yourself say.

Everyone knows that filmmaking begins with cinemas. Before box office movies are released in discs and tapes for the open market, they are first taken to the cinema
The industry that yorubas started in the 60s was what the producers of Living in Bondage built upon

Yea yea yea. *yawns loudly*. But Nollywood still belongs to Alaba boys. I see no article saying otherwise.

bigfrancis21:


Lol. My articles were to not prove anything. They were to educate you on your ignorance.

ignorant of Filmmaking?. .its you and the igbo bigots on this thread that are guilty of that

Nothing ur pasted articles can tell me about Nollywood

pazienza:
The term "firm making industry" is nebulous.

What the Yorubas made were dramas, soap operas and TV series.
And that wasn't what nollywood revolution was about.

Nollywood was a different revolution that was well distinct of Yoruba TV dramas and soap operas.

The guy is a nutcase. Running around the internet trying to re-write history. I used to think his domain was Yoruba mythology and Ifa.

macof:


ignorant of Filmmaking?. .its you and the igbo bigots on this thread that are guilty of that

Nothing ur pasted articles can tell me about Nollywood

Yet you cannot come up with just one source that backs up your 'point'. Not even one. You are very ignorant of filmmaking. Watching movies does not suddenly confer on you the title of expertise in filmmaking. The real action is what goes on behind the camera which you are very ignorant of. Even your cohorts have all been educated and left. Its just you still running around pushing your luck against the obvious.

pazienza:


You are embarrassing yourself. Nollywood had nothing to do with cinemas, that was typical Hollywood ish that nollywood is recently trying to imbibe.

Nollywood movies moved straight from the producers to marketers at Idumota, Ebinpejo, alaba, ubakason plaza Lagos, 51 iweka road onitsha, 5 pounds road Aba, in tapes to shops nearest to the consumers.

That was the supply chain.

What Yorubas did were mere soap operas and dramas people watched daily or weekey in public local Yoruba stations.

It wasn't a very much lucrative business.

You keep making this ridiculous claim that Yorubas were only doing dramas and soap opera .. Yorubas were involved in all sorts of media production
What do you think people saw in cinemas? Soap opera? I know all igbos aren't this dumb but boy. . Stupidity seems to follow many of you around
I still remember hearing of Ajani Ogun, a movie people still remember after 40 years or more

macof:


Trying to steal Nollywood? are you mad?
Nollywood already has indispensable Non igbo contributions, what is there to steal from a free for all industry? Even Ghanaians have a stake

I'll be glad to see Igbos have biafra. . Honestly, a jubilant day. I can't wait for Nnamdi Kanu to be your Biafra president

Nollywood is an Igbo legacy, that was setted purely for profit maximization. Profit maximization requires you involve other nationalities to make inroads in their markets. Ndiigbo threw open Nollywood to all and sundry to maximize profits. If the Ghanaians that were invited by the Igbos just like we invited Yorubas are not claiming Nollywood, why are Yorubas attaching to Nollywood now, if not because we share same country with Yorubas.

If Yorubas were from Arewa-Oduanistan independent country, don't you think you would have since named your obsolete branch of Nigeria movie industry Oduawood now, like Ghana named theirs Ghollywood, instead of coalescing your obsolete film making industry into Igbo Nollywood, and now dearing to lay false claims?

Do you think the Ghanaians didn't like the Yorubas have their own obsolete "film making industry" , before they came to Nigeria to learn from Igbos, and then export the Igbo brand back home to upgrade their obsolete filmmaking industry that gave birth to Ghollywood?

What is wrong with Yorubas?

macof:


You keep making this ridiculous claim that Yorubas were only doing dramas and soap opera .. Yorubas were involved in all sorts of media production
What do you think people saw in cinemas? Soap opera? I know all igbos aren't this dumb but boy. . Stupidity seems to follow many of you around
I still remember hearing of Ajani Ogun, a movie people still remember after 40 years or more

Commercials that were limited only to the south west. Kenneth Nnebue invested his money into over 20 Yoruba commercials but none was a commercial success. Then he decided to produce Living in Bondage, an Igbo language movie, and a multi-billion dollar industry was born.

I expect you to take up this challenge if you think you are a man. Please come up with one credible source, even if it is a mention in passing, that credits Nollywood's success to SW. Or else, you're just a lonely internet revisionist.

pazienza:
The term "firm making industry" is nebulous.

What the Yorubas made were dramas, soap operas and TV series.
And that wasn't what nollywood revolution was about.

Nollywood was a different revolution that was well distinct of Yoruba TV dramas and soap operas.

Even till today TV dramas and soap operas are very handled by Yorubas. Mnet Africa movies are dominated by Yorubas... most of the movies aired on TV channels abroad. . Movies like Scarlet of high quality TV

But even right from the 60s through to the 80s yorubas have been making movies. .. a pity I can only remember Ajani Ogun

bigfrancis21:


Commercials that were limited only to the south west. Kenneth Nnebue invested his money into over 20 Yoruba commercials but none was a commercial success. Then he decided to produce Living in Bondage, an Igbo language movie, and a multi-billion dollar industry was born.

I expect you to take up this challenge if you think you are a man. Please come up with one credible source, even if it is a mention in passing, that credits Nollywood's success to SW. Or else, you're just a lonely internet revisionist.

You just proved that the industry began before living in bondage. Why would he invest in movie commercials if filmmaking industry didn't exist already?

Why do you think there is a demarcation between the two industries?

I don’t know; it could be tribalism. The first man that started the home video revolution in the country, Kenneth Nnebue met us the Yoruba actors on ground. In fact; he first came to my office to see me before he started and asked questions and I gave him all the necessary information he needed. He shot a lot of Yoruba films before even shooting ‘Living in Bondage’. That was the same year I shot ‘Asiri Nla.’. Both films did well in the market. I sold close to 200,000 copies without publicity. ‘Living in Bondage’ was like an eye opener for them in the Igbo sector because Yoruba films have been in existence even before then. But now; they feel it is good to change history. They are now saying the film industry started 20 years ago. If the film industry in Nigeria is called Nollywood, then it didn’t start 20 years ago. Yes, I agree it came and made its own impact. It was like an advancement of what has been on ground. Can you still compare that with where we started on the celluloid if not for the rise foreign exchange then? It was like a revolution and this revolution has stages. Kongi’s harvest I believe was before 1970’s. ‘Ija Orogun’ in 1976 opened the eyes of everybody. It was an experiment by Ola Balogun on commercialising the industry. In our days, we went to the theatre to stage our plays and people pay money to come and watch. Other revolution came up before we came to where we are today. So tell me where we picked the story that we are 20 years in the film industry in Nigeria? If we are not careful; we can use this to be quarrel in the industry. Already; we have quarrelled over it and there are moves to change it, taking the story from where it actually started. - Jide Kosoko
http://www.topcelebritiesng.com/nollywood-didnt-start-with-igbo-movies-jide-kosoko/

Since your puny brain doesn't work without Internet article. I wonder if you request internet articles from your teachers

Read it carefully, if you don't comprehend ask someone more intelligent to read and explain for you

macof:


You just proved that the industry began before living in bondage. Why would he invest in movie commercials if filmmaking industry didn't exist already?



Since your puny brain doesn't work without Internet article. I wonder if you request internet articles from your teachers

Read it carefully, if you don't comprehend ask someone more intelligent to read and explain for you

Aren't you a clown? You're posting an article that confirms what I have repeatedly said about Kenneth Nnebue sponsoring Yoruba commercials before producing Living in Bondage?

Tell me what I don't know already.

macof:


Even till today TV dramas and soap operas are very handled by Yorubas. Mnet Africa movies are dominated by Yorubas... most of the movies aired on TV channels abroad. . Movies like Scarlet of high quality TV

But even right from the 60s through to the 80s yorubas have been making movies. .. a pity I can only remember Ajani Ogun

Exactly. That has been the point being made all along. Dramas and TV operas have always been the domain of Yorubas and commercial movie making the domain of the Igbos. You're only starting to realize this.

bigfrancis21:


Aren't you a clown? You're posting an article that confirms what I have repeatedly said about Kenneth Nnebue sponsoring Yoruba commercials before producing Living in Bondage?

Tell me what I don't know already.

Smh. I can't believe one human being can be this daft. Read the parts in bold or ask someone more intelligent to explain it to you. Cus I can see that you are not bright, the fact that Kenneth Nnebue was involved in Yoruba movies before living in bondage shows that "living in bondage" entered into an industry already in existence

bigfrancis21:


Exactly. That has been the point being made all along. Dramas and TV operas have always been the domain of Yorubas and commercial movie making the domain of the Igbos. You're only starting to realize this.

You didn't come up with this you liar. It was pazienza

I made that reply to make it clear that soap operas are still dominated by Yorubas. .. from Tinsel to Family ties to Shuga

But right from the 60s , Yorubas have also been involved in Movies. ..We introduced Kenneth Nnebue into the industry and he made improvements with his later contributions. Today some of the best Nollywood producers are neither Yoruba nor Igbo. . . That's teamwork, we all contribute and built a billion dollar Industry

Alex Eyengho defined Nollywood as "the totality of activities taking place in the Nigerian film industry, be it in English, Yoruba, Hausa, Igbo, Itsekiri, Edo, Efik, Ijaw, Urhobo or any other of the over 300 Nigerian languages". He further stated that "the historical trajectory of Nollywood started since the pre and post independent Nigeria, with the theatrical (stage) and cinematic (celluloid)) efforts of the likes of Chief Hubert Ogunde, Chief Amata, Baba Sala (Moses Olaiya), Ade Love, Eddie Ugboma and a few others".[5]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nollywood

Maybe you'll need another person to explain this for your puny ibo brain

He further stated that "the historical trajectory of Nollywood started since the pre and post independent Nigeria, with the theatrical (stage) and cinematic (celluloid)) efforts of the likes of Chief Hubert Ogunde, Chief Amata, Baba Sala (Moses Olaiya), Ade Love, Eddie Ugboma and a few others".

This is not nollywood. This is Yoruba film making ie TV dramas, soap operas and all what.Yes some non Yoruba persons might have been involved in it, but it was essentially a Yoruba concept. It wasn't much commercially rewarding.

Alex Eyengho defined Nollywood as "the totality of activities taking place in the Nigerian film industry,


Yes, this is the only reason why the Yoruba film industry is considered nollywood today, it's simply because we were in the same country and all movie industries existing in the country, including those of the Hausa's ie kannywood, became coalesced into the Commercially lucrative Igbo brand, and were all given the name "nollywood".

But only a brain dead person will not recognized the fact the modern nollywood concept is an Igbo concept.
If Ghana was part of Nigeria, their movie industry which is now modelled after the Igbo commercially lucrative model they learnt from us, would have been coalesced into nollywood too, and maybe today, Ghanaians will also be laying claim to the nollywood concept, based on the fact that they( Ghanaians) already had a "film making" industry since 1960s.