Jolliano:


1. Universal Bishop as head of all bishops or universal Bishop as the only bishop in the World?
Because Pope Gregory condemned the latter and Pope Boniface obviously accepted the former.

Same title: Different meaning and Jurisdiction.

2. All your arguments come from a speech that people claimed was made by Bishop Strossmayer at Vatican I.
Suprisingly (to you,that is), he never made that speech. He was not against the dogma of infallibility but against the timing just like Cardinal Newman was.

[size=15]The problem with the speech is a forgery. Karl Keating, in his book Catholicism and Fundamentalism, points this out (on page 34), referencing the Catholic Encyclopedia.
You can see that article in the Encyclopedia here.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14316a.htm

Believe it or not, there is an entire book written about the man, by Ivo Sivric, which also confirms that the speech is a forgery, perpetrated by a man named Jose Agustin de Escudero.[/size]

So if you want to prove anything provide documents for your accusation and stop making reference to Bishop Strossmayer.

Show me a document by these popes.

3. Permissions are not DOGMAs. Study what s DOGMA is,bros.

Kamxin:

It doesn't end here!
Jehovah witness attack on the Catholic church have being ruthless and relentless.
I have enough AWAKE magazines from 1980's to this day. You spread your fallacies in the Catholic homes with a reckless abandon through the instrumentality of this greek gift, poisoning their minds and destabilizing their homes with this your 100 year old doctrines invented by a questionable character.

Instead of educating your members on your new innovation, you chose to attack the Catholic church who have no business with your innovation.

Today, chickens have come home to roost as the wind of change called internet have unravelled the the extent of darkness Christians before us have passed through.

It is obvious that in few years to come that that evill bulletin that have vilified the holy mother church with so much venom would reap all it have sown.

This is part of growing up, from Jehovah witness.

JMAN05:


I ve not even attacked your church, you are talking. You guys are here attacking protestantism, no one spoke out against it, but now when I want to prove contradiction in ur church, the anger kept rising. Another catholic will still come up to voice his anger. But the contradictions are true. I dont think shouting will change it. That is history.

JMAN05:
Now this is your official proof that the statement is a forgery. Seriously?

JMAN05:


I ve not even attacked your church, you are talking. You guys are here attacking protestantism, no one spoke out against it, but now when I want to prove contradiction in ur church, the anger kept rising. Another catholic will still come up to voice his anger. But the contradictions are true. I dont think shouting will change it. That is history.

JMAN05:


I ve not even attacked your church, you are talking. You guys are here attacking protestantism, no one spoke out against it, but now when I want to prove contradiction in ur church, the anger kept rising. Another catholic will still come up to voice his anger. But the contradictions are true. I dont think shouting will change it. That is history.

Jolliano:


Lol. Which anger is rising? You are bearing false witness now o. Na who dey vex?

Which contradictions are true? Because in 2000 years, no one has proved any contradiction and neither have you.

History shows that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church. If Jesus did not found the JW himself, why then was the JW even formed at all?

Matthew 16:17 - 19. Acts 1 and 2 tell us that there was indeed A Church and a nameless Church at that.

Now which Church on Earth is nameless? Only one.
The true Church which Christ sent to all Nations in order that the Church would be Universal. The only Church is identified as being Universal and that is the Catholic Church.

Jesus prayed for His Church to be one. Which Church is one in doctrines,practices,beliefs and even in the scriptures read daily all over the world? The Catholic (Katholos - Regarding the whole) Church.

Jesus gave his Apostles the Truth and told them to teach the world. He gave the Spirit to help them find the truth in all cases and situations that would arise. This Truth has been passed on from the Apostles (The First Bishops) down to our time. Jesus said he would be with the Church for all time. In other words, there would never be a time when the Church would not exist. So if Protestanism is the true Church, where was it between the time Jesus made all these promises and the 15th/16th century?

Can you trace your church back past Charles Taze Russell? No.

You were not even among the first set of Protestants and you are forming familiarity with them.

If protestanism is True and the true Church is meant to be one as Jesus prayed, why did the protestant reformers not agree with each other? Why is there more than one protestant church? Actually, why are there more than 1,000 protestant churches in Lagos alone? Why does almost every street in my area have at least 2 churches on them, each church claiming to possess the truth and yet they are all contradicting each other?

When Catholics from the Apostles up till now were being murdered for their faith and the bible, where were you people? Now everybody dey claim preacher and man of God. The bible tells us that there was always a physical passing of annointing, authority and Power. All Catholic priests and bishops can trace their annointing back through to the Apostles as records are kept of these. Let me ask, how many pastors can trace the annointing they received back to the 18th century, not to talk of the Apostles?

Even Paul that had a special encounter with Jesus went to The Apostles for them to lay their hands on him. And someone will wake up one day and start telling us that Jesus annointed him specially and privately. Haba! The lie no follow well na.

If you believe protestanism is true, why are you afraid of reading the Church Fathers and Early Christians? Study their writings and the Church History by Eusebius (not wikipedia) and tell me if they were protestants or JW. Or did the Apostles not teach them the Truth?

I do not mean to mock or abuse. Just want you to search for the True Light which is in Christ and his Mystical Body, the Church? John 1:4 - 5.

Kamxin:


When you say there are contradictions in the Catholic church, you did not attack it. With your watchTower and AWAKE you dd not.

Come up with proof, enough of destroying the gullible.

JMAN05:


chai boy, so you are consciously saying the above? hahahahahahahaha, just short short up. See this boy o, oh, u dont know the blood you people spilled and the many bibles your church burned? You don start o, you don start now.

Well, when you are 100% sure that I dont have a document for my statement, do what I say. Stop diverting, lest I remember your church barbarism.

sunnydayasaba:
I don't understand ur message, I tell you, The Catholics church represent everything the bible stand for.

Ubenedictus:

if the bible was so clear and straight forward why do we have over 30,000 protestant sects all teaching different doctrines?

Kamxin:

Pictures are images, bible said no image.

Kamxin:

Who gave the bible to protestants? CATHOLICS
Who gave it to mankind? CATHOLICS

This is only what you don't agree, so others are truth, God be with you.

Kamxin:


The Catholic church with the help of the holy spirit(John 16:13) produce infallible doctrines that have stood the test of 2000 years history of the church.

preetyb:


I smile in Latin. One funny thing about u people is that u know for a fact that most of ur doctrines and believes are wrong but yet you still defend it till u die.

preetyb:


Incase u don't knw, God won't judge base on the church u worship or its doctrine but by his words in the holy bible. Every one shall stand for him self be you a pope, bishop or member. So if you know u are been misled where you worship you had better lead urself the right part now that everyone of us still ve the time. Na my pastor preach am no be excuse on that day.

preetyb:

So you people gave it to mankind yet you poeple decided to deviate from its words.

preetyb:


Una hell fire they separate. If u like u should keep encouraging urself to sin by believing there is no hell but purgatory. E go clear for una eye when time reach.

preetyb:

It is obvious u ve never opened ur bible urself to read before. You only quote from what u hear or was told. What do u mean by no image?. The bible was talking about those that worship images of anything used to replace the almighty God in their heart.

preetyb:



It is only when u read with the understanding of man that you find the bible not straight forward but if u read with the interpretation of the holy spirit you will know the bible is the most simplest and understandable book to read. Because the holy spirit speak in one voice and interprets one thing.

italo:


So your millions of Protestants/pentecostal groups that contradict one another are reading with the understanding of man.

You're the only one with the Holy Spirit. Abi?

italo:


Which verse said the bold?

italo:


We don't deviate from its words. We desist from your ignorant understanding of its words.

Shows how ignorant you are. The Catholic Church teaches that there is hell. You'd not have known hell if we didn't teach you.

italo:
The above is only your deluded imagination. Don't force it on us.

Where did God ever mention Holy Bible?
It was the Pope that gave us the Bible in the 4th century.

preetyb:


Who gave the bible to the pope?

preetyb:


Your name is sorry.

preetyb:

Have u heard of any thing called search the scriptures? If yes do it and if no just try reading your bible

preetyb:



What I am saying is no church has a perfect doctrine bcus most times we read with our own interpretation nd not that of the holy spirit. Don't forget the Protestants were once members of the catholic church, so if they broke away it was bcus they saw a flaw in the catholic doctrine and went to found their own unfortunately they themselves have not been able to produce the perfect doctrine and that is the reason they keep splitting.

italo:


If your doctrine is not perfect and can contain errors, why are you trying to teach it to us?

How are you sure what you're teaching is not error?

preetyb:

What doctrine did I teach to u?. The only thing I knw is that the catholic church has many too obvious flaws in their doctrine.

italo:


You're teaching me that many Catholic Doctrines are flawed.

Is that your teaching perfect of imperfect?