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Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 11:00pm On May 15, 2009 |
RichyBlacK:and your point being that those countries were invaded on behalf of their citizens? Afghanistan was invaded on behalf of Afghans? Germany on behalf of germans? ![]() Which of the world powers have not tried to conquer another nation in the past, given the opportunity? The world powers have always pursued their own interests Then let the Saudi's get rid of their own relic. What does the action of the saudi government cost you? Have they tried to impose their laws or way of life on you? Let each nation put is own house in order. Trying to impose your ways on another simply because you feel your ways are superior is simply neo-colonial mentality. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Ikomi(m): 1:26pm On May 16, 2009 |
RichyBlacK: You talk text book theory. I once told you not to be deceived by the propaganda of the west, but obviously you did not heed that advise. I also told you not to rob Peter to pay Paul, unfortunately you don't understand that. I would take your examples one at a time and am not going to quote line in line in other that you understand am trying to summarize your view and convince you - if you posses the level of understanding I assume you should - that it leads no where. Germany: The first world war was fought between Germany and the rest of the world, in the Germans quest to impose there ideology on the rest. Germany was defeated. Germany was asked by the then European council to pay reparation to all the nations that has been destroyed in the event of the WWI. Germany paid this unending reparation for years, and because most bankers at this time were Jews, the Jews enforced this payments. So money that should be used in developing Germany was diverted to other economies. This is where Hitlers hatred for the Jews came from, not to metion that he himself did not have it all rosy, just because of the crippling debt of Germany. The rest I bet you know he made it to the sit of power, and his first move was to destroy all those that kept old Germany on its knees. Starting with the Jews and the nations surrounding Germany in other that Germany's fortune will know no bounds. And maybe you don't know, the whole so called - well wishing German good citizens were behind Hitler. That was the only reason he was able to do all he did. He never went into their homes telling Germans if you don't support me you die. They willingly supported him as they too saw the benefit it would bring to Germany and it did bring to Germany. Becoming the 3rd-4th largest economy wasn't just a manner that dropped from heaven. When Hitler was making this progress in wealth and geography, there were members of the British Parliament who lobbied the then MP that Britain should join hands with Hitler and share the spoils of war. But Churchill in his great understanding disagreed. They even told him that Russia was the enemy and not Hitler, that they need to join hands with Hitler so that they would be able to subdue Russia. Then came Churchills famous quote when he had to address the members of Parliament on his final decision. I quote: "Even if Hitler invaded hell I would make a good representation of the devil in the House of Parliament" So to cut the story, Hitler was not subdued for killing Jews, he clearly carried out his act with no restraint, He was only stopped for the fear that he might be too powerful and therefore unstoppable. Iraq Saddam killed 300 Shites for going against his government. Bad enough. But as long as you agreed to Saddams governance either shite or Sunni, Iraq was peaceful and you can travel about. How many Iraq's has Americas invasion killed and still counting. Over 300,000 Iraq's Sudan: Was it the International forces that started the war in Sudan, or the Sudanese themselves? Since the killing and displacement in Darfur for the first ten years, where were the UN forces? Rwanda Where was this your so called western civilised culture when the Hutus killed Tutsis. Even the little UN force that was on ground was pulled out for fear of there safety. So Richblack back as I started you are talking text book theory. The day Saudi women decide it is time for a change, Allah, God or Zeus, whatever woke them from their slumber to demand the change would see them through. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Tudor3(m): 6:52pm On May 21, 2009 |
Its not their fault.islam is fundamentally a barbaric and savage religion.they've refused to move foward and reform. They see every form of reform as western influence. This is sheer narrow mindedness. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 7:43pm On May 21, 2009 |
Tùdor:Nor do you seem like the epitome of civility. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by jantavanta(m): 3:44pm On Jun 03, 2009 |
Saudi Arabia was a colony of Turkey's Ottoman Empire and was liberated only during World War 1. Wahabism has its expansion in the creation of the Ibn Saud's Saudi Arabian nation State, with the help of Britain through Lawrence of Arabia. The main purpose of Wahabism is to entrench the British-style monarchy of the House of Saud as the rightful ruling family of Saudi Arabia. That is why there are opponents in Saudi Arabia that have to be silenced with strict laws. America later on superseded Britain in terms of foreign relations, with the policy of "Do what you like, just keep the oil flowing". Islam in terms of "barbaric" quantification is exactly what Christianity was in Europe 800 years ago. As the youngest member of the Torahic triad of Judaism, Christianity and Islam, Islam will also evolve. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 5:51pm On Jun 03, 2009 |
jantavanta: The year 3000 will be here before we know it. Maybe then Islam will become peaceful but until then don't let them walk behind you ![]() |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Nobody: 10:35pm On Jun 03, 2009 |
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2009/may2009/irel-m26.shtml Irish child abuse: The Ryan Report cover-up those poor kids! its not possible that a government run by followers of the religion of love peace and nappiness could be implicated in such a foul coverup ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 10:51pm On Jun 03, 2009 |
It is a criminal offence to use children as child labourers in Ireland today and any abuse of children is a punishable crime You would go to jail You cited a case in 1957 I'm sure you've bought oranges from 10 year old street hawkers in Nigeria. Sweat shops in Asia make those Nike shoe you wear In Saudi and other Sharialands,those children if they are girls could legally be 6 year old wives of 54 year old men even in 2009 ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is not about what people do but what their religion allows them to do by law I'll rather be picking cotton in the fields at 6 than be breathless under a sweaty unshaven dirty old man who calls me a wife and a religious law sanctioned by allah supports him I'm sure every woman out there agrees with me |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 11:05pm On Jun 03, 2009 |
Report alleges rise in child abuse in Saudi Arabia By Abdul Rahman Shaheen, Correspondent Published: December 24, 2008, 23:30 Riyadh: Domestic violence against children is on the rise in Saudi Arabia, according to the latest figures released by the Saudi National Human Rights Society. "Nearly 45 per cent of children in the Kingdom are facing some sort of abuse and domestic violence," the group pointed out. It also circulated findings of a study among participants of a function organised during the occasion of the 60th anniversary of the Declaration of the UN Human Rights Convention. Several prominent human rights activists, including representative of Amnesty International, and members of the society attended the function, held at Jeddah Westin Hotel on Monday. During the meeting, Amal Khalifa, representative of Amnesty, chaired an open dialogue session among the participants focusing on their view points about child abuse, various forms of domestic violence and the solutions to contain this issue. Speaking on the occasion, Dr Abdul Muatani, general supervisor of National Human Rights Society in Makkah region, said that the society has prepared a comprehensive awareness programme in this respect. He sought the cooperation of all those concerned in implementing the agenda in the near future. The society carried out the study with the supervision of the Security Supervisor at the[b] Ministry of Interior Dr Sultan Al Anqari. According to the study, Riyadh tops with 51 per cent of cases of violence against children [/b] and the percentage of cases in Jeddah was put at 20. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Nobody: 7:41am On Jun 07, 2009 |
osisi, but those child abusers are following your holy book ![]() spare the rod. . . abeg no use the old saw about the abrogated old testament that so many of your forbears are quoting on the tattoo and gay threads - even you were using solomon as a sig, not so ? maybe you need to read about the colossal government/church coverup in the case i higlighted , as you have made it clear, no coverup in the kingdom |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by MadMax1(f): 3:54pm On Jun 07, 2009 |
The post about children abused in Ireland is meant to do what?This isn't a 'my religion is better than yours' dispute;this is about the very real horrors women and children face under Islamic religious laws. Something that extends to your own backyard, as I hear some Nigerian governor has ordered the girls in non-Muslim schools in his state to start wearing veils. The Catholic church has a notorious child abuse record and seems to attract paedophiles and some very cruel people. But that makes the cruelties inherent in the practice of Sharia all right in what way? And to the moronic, vengeful ass who recommends the world stay out if it and let 'them' do as they please with those women and girls, afterall it is 'their' religion; like any individual or group has the right to impose their religious beliefs on another, more power to your imbecilic elbow.I suppose you conducted a poll and found those women signed up to be stoned to death, hung or bartered to men old enough to be their grandfathers. You don't need to be a muslim woman to relate with those women, to realise they feel and think and eat and have the same thoughts you do; all you have to be is a human being. You stick your fat ass in front of a computer and dismiss a woman's looming death with a few keystrokes; that's the extent of your courage. If conditions were reversed and it were you or your sister facing needless death, you'd sing a different tune. Asshole. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by olabowale(m): 9:59pm On Jun 07, 2009 |
@$Osisi: No true to the core Muslim man would opt in walking behind any woman, except his wife's. So don't worry no one of us, with true Islam in his heart will choose to walk behind you, espectially now that we know you will have too many thoughts running throw your mind, with skid marks on your heart. Like Prophet Joseph (AS), we should avoid the temptations. Like Prophet Moses (AS), we will prefer to be in front. Its better for our hearts that way. Now, you must know that I do not know a country on earth, today that is ruled by sharia; from Quran and explanations in the Ahadith. None. That includes Saudi Arabia. The fact that the Saud family "Humphey Bogard" the land where Islam was completed goes against Islam an you cant establish Sharia by first opposing Islam. Muhammad (AS) did not change the name of Madina, from Taif. Nor did he change the name Makka. The fact that these saudi law makers are in lock-steps with the arab ruling houses do not mean that they are truly enacting Sharia. There is no place that it is recorded that Muhammad (AS) married more than Aisha (RA), among all the women and families wanting himto marry them or from them, among the young. It simply points to the fact that Aisha is a special woman and I have ahadith supporting my statement. The point is this, a judge ruling that a woman can not divorce a husband on just a strong ground as man may use to divorce his wife is ignorant. A judge ruling that the face can be slapped is extremely ignorance, when it is the singly part of honor in allhuman body! However as I disagree with the arabs and those who are practicing fake Sharia and calling it Sharia of Allah, they need to be fearful of Allah's wrath. But woman, you forgot that the children of Israel are not fairing better. I think all kind of lewdness, and human trafficking for sex is in the hearts and ands of the Jews. Is this what they are fighting to gain the land for? Was this why Moses came to rescue them? Was this the reason Jesus came to be their Mesiah? And to the guy who was talking about he and his friends contacts with the woman wearing Burka, their reactions to that woman is the reason for the commandment to cover up. Allah says in Surah Ahzah that women (in sexual ages) should cover up s that they could be identified in the general sense as Muslim women, when they are out. And that they should not be molested, by men whose hearts are sexually perverted. Even with the "unattractive" woman wearing her burka, minding her own business, going on her way, these guys even from their watering hole (the bar) are still able to make their offcuff remarks. Can you imagine if she was as "pretty" as $Osisi, who will be wearing less clthing, am sure and would not mind these nonMuslims men walk behind her? They probabl will be saivatin, if not all the way drooling like the Komono lizard, when food is in sight! These hounddogs are the very reason that women should be covered up. I would not let my women be around these drunks. Finally, real men don't beat their woman. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 11:48pm On Jun 07, 2009 |
Mad_Max:The composition of your post, with predominantly ad hominem attacks, hints at the futility of an attempt in seeing reason with you. It is hilarious for you to suggest that you care more about the women of Saudi Arabia than their own flesh and blood, but then it is not surprising, as to a ant on a field the world is flat. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by MadMax1(f): 12:02pm On Jun 08, 2009 |
And I suggested I care more about Saudi women than their own flesh and blood,where? The world is flat now,silly. It's shrunk and more tightly hewn,and no country is truly 'sovereign' anymore; what each does reverberates and affects others in the short and long run. Given that some states in your own country have declared they owe greater allegiance to the Saudi Arabia govt than to Nigeria, I think you should be more circumspect about dismissing what happens there, hiding a 'they brought it on themselves' vengefulness behind 'reason'. Besides, it's a country's people that are sovereign,I think,and not its govt officials. And yes, the West can be cunning,and it's chilvary can sometimes be guided more by self-interest than anything else-why should it be any other way?- but at least they try. One evil does not another justify. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 6:18pm On Jun 08, 2009 |
Mad_Max:Oh so you don't care about saudi women, more than there own kin? that is surprising given your earlier rant about 'real horrors' (in your view) inflicted on them by their own family and their fellow citizens, or that 'they feel and think and eat and have the same thoughts you do'. If their own kin like them more than you do, then their own kin will make changes to their society. You talk about reversing roles, how would you feel if US was an islamic nation, and were now trying to impose sharia values on the rest of the world? I doubt you would take kindly to it. More realistic is if they try to impose gay marriages on the rest of the world. Most would kick against it. The world is not flat, as you cannot just barge in into any nation without the proper immigration clearance or permit. All countries are sovereign, both in government and its people. A government, or its people do not need the approval of any external group for how they live their lives or the laws they live by. I do not approve of gay marriages, should I then condemn the American government and bring pressure on them to change? No. If it suits the Americans, that is their choice. When women were denied property rights in the rest of the world, the sharia system was different and treated women fairer. Nobody imposed it on them. Each nation should be allowed to evolve on its own and follow the desires of its majority. Is that not the cornerstone of democracy? If the majority of Saudi Arabians, including fathers, and brothers, have a problem wit te way things are, they would make effort to change it. Its not about if what happens in Saudi is right or wrong, it is simply that you are in no position to judge what is good for the majority in Saudi. You have no evidence that the majority in Saudi share your sentiments. You cannot fight for freedom by infringing on the freedom of same you claim to fight for. As to the guys in Kano, or any other Northern states, they are fully within your jurisdiction as a Nigerian, and you can use all legal means available to make your voice heard or bring pressure on them. BTW its impressive that you can actual make a post with only one insult. You should try it with none. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by MadMax1(f): 10:46am On Jun 09, 2009 |
You actually think that argument of yours makes sense? ![]() But I really shouldn't have done so the first time, and I'm sorry for that. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, as ridiculous as your stance is. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Ikomi(m): 11:15am On Jun 09, 2009 |
Mad_Max: In other words "I dont know what to say the discussion is beyond me" ![]() |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 2:42am On Jun 10, 2009 |
Congress finds the following: (1) The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia does not provide legal protection for freedom of religion because Salafi Islam is the official religion of the country. (2) The Mutawwa'in, or religious police, has engaged in the persecution of non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, most recently in the late May 2005 detention of seven Christians whose private security and property were violated. (3) The annual Department of State Report on International Religious Freedom states that citizens of Saudi Arabia are denied the freedom to choose or change their religion. Specifically, conversion by a Muslim to another religion is considered apostasy, a crime punishable by death if the accused does not recant. (4) Sunni Muslims are discriminated against in government employment and higher education and there are still cases in textbooks and teachings of anti-Shi'a instruction. (5) Individuals of the Hindu and Sikh faiths are considered under Sharia law to be polytheists and are therefore permitted in accidental death or injury compensation to be allowed only 1/16 of the amount a male Muslim receives in compensation in similar instances. (6) Saudi Arabia continues to prohibit non-Muslim clergy to enter the country and conduct religious services, which particularly affects religious believers such as Catholics and Orthodox Christians who require religious clergy and services regularly as part of their faith. (7) Many Christians in Saudi Arabia have been detained and deported for praying or for other practices relating to the expression of their faith. ( ![]() (9) The Government of Saudi Arabia continues to violate freedom of speech, as exhibited in the November 2003 case of Mansur al-Noqaidan who criticized the Saudi Government's response to religious extremism in an editorial in The New York Times and was subsequently sentenced to lashings for incendiary comments. (10) As compiled in an extensive report by Freedom House, it was found that Saudi Arabia's General Presidency for Managing Research and Religious Fatwas disseminated through mosques in the United States `Document No. 20,' which states: `It is not right for a Muslim to support the unbelievers, or to ask them to support him against his enemies, they are the enemy, do not trust them . . . Muslims should not be recruited into their Army, whether they are Arabs or non-Arabs, because the unbeliever is the enemy of the believer.'. (11) In the same Freedom House report, it was discovered that the Saudi Embassy in Washington, D.C., through its Cultural Department, distributed fatwas against Muslims who are seeking to obtain United States citizenship, even if such individuals are stateless. As an example, `Document No. 44' states: `It is forbidden for a Muslim to become citizens of a country [such as the United States] governed by infidels,' which exhibits a clear hatred and contempt for civil society and pluralism in the United States. (12) The Saudi Air Force, Foreign Ministry, and Embassy in Washington, D.C., have been used to propagate the aforementioned hate ideology and to facilitate religious extremism into the United States by spreading anti-pluralistic and anti-democratic ideologies. (13) Saudi Arabia is a country that practices religious apartheid and continuously subjugates its citizenry, both Muslim and non-Muslim, to a specific interpretation of Islam. Saudi Arabia is a country that, through its system of education and segregation, is a breeding pool for terrorists. Saudi Arabia is a country that exports through official government agencies both terrorists and its discriminatory values. Saudi Arabia is also a country that benefits from American money through intermediate companies which fund such activities. http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.4543.IH: |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 2:47am On Jun 10, 2009 |
someone may wonder why Sunnis are descriminated against in Saudi as stated in no 4 above Well the Major Saudi Islamic sect is Wahhabism |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 3:01am On Jun 10, 2009 |
Wahhabism (Arabic: Al-Wahhābīyya الوهابية) or Wahabism is a name sometimes applied to the conservative 18th century reformist call of Sunni Islam attributed to Muhammad ibn Abd-al-Wahhab, an Islamic scholar from what is today known as Saudi Arabia, who became known for advocating a return to the practices of the first three generations of Islamic history. Wahhabism formed the creed upon which the kingdom of Saudi Arabia was founded and is the dominant form of Islam found in Saudi Arabia, and Qatar, as well as some pockets of Somalia, Algeria and Mauritania. It is now often referred to as a "sect" or "branch" of Islam, though its supporters reject such designations.Note: Most suicide bombers in Iraq are Wahhabies. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by hauwie3: 10:15am On Jun 10, 2009 |
pls, dont misunderstand our beautiful religion, Islam is all about worshiping god and keeping your duty to him. Those western people are trying to trick people to thinking that Islam is a religion that encourages despicable acts, because islam is against the new world order. Shari'a does not deny the rights of women and children people are just misunderstanding it. even in Europe and america, islam is growing fast. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by Ikomi(m): 10:41am On Jun 10, 2009 |
@Osisi I think you have joined the ranks of the hate and lie spreading machine. I just don't know the head of the team, either you or Davidylan, but Yeswecan is a true follower. Ur link doesn't even work, and if it does, point to a book that has some reasonable authority to confirm this your claims. Anyone could write nonsense on the Internet this days, just like you have chosen to do. $osisi: You would be surprised to know where the idea of Suicide bombing originated from. You are so obsessed with the idea that some people could blow themselves up for a cause they strongly believe in, the question is how write or wrong is the course. I don't tolerate any individual that would condemn a people, its wrong wrong wrong. A million people cannot be wrong. There are moderates you must learn to understand there position share there view and then a compromise could be reached. Look you been Igbo, I have seen a lot of thread where Igbos have been talked down as been Greedy especially their women. To be honest with you I think its true Igbos on the average are greedy people, and that's just one bad side but there are good sides as well, to look at the bad side and categorise a people as wicked or bad, with all due respect is just a very good sign of arrogance and lack of common sense. Like biiana pointed out, to an ant the world is flat. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by JJYOU: 10:47am On Jun 10, 2009 |
Ikomi: Ikomi:u be wahhabi too? wetin ijaw man abi na itsekiri ikomi dey do for wahabi? that name self resemble wahala. any way God dey come for una. no hiding place soon. enjoy this news while you wait. [size=18pt] Underground Church Growing in Muslim-Dominated Indonesia[/size]http://www.charismamag.com/index.php/news/22219-underground-church-growing-in-muslim-dominated-indonesia?utm_source=MailingList&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Charisma+News+Online+06-09-09 |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by jantavanta(m): 10:45pm On Jun 11, 2009 |
I believe that Africans, I mean, Black Africans, have something to offer to the world. We are currently dwelling on Euro-Arab fixations. An African is expected to be Pan-Arabic or Pan-European to qualify for the civilization tag. Life began in Africa and so we do not need to seek our ancestors in Europe or Arabia. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by RichyBlacK(m): 10:58pm On Jun 11, 2009 |
$osisi: I do not doubt these allegations because I've confirmed some of them from a Saudi colleague while in graduate school. In my opinion, Saudi-Arabia is the epicenter of the most extreme form of Islam in the world today. The level of extremism is so barbaric, it is unimaginable. See my next post for the kind of shame Wahhabism is bringing to Islam. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by RichyBlacK(m): 11:08pm On Jun 11, 2009 |
[size=22pt]BBC NEWS[/size] [size=18pt]Somali rage at grave desecration[/size] By Mohamed Mohamed BBC Somali Service Since they began to capture large swathes of southern Somalia, radical Islamists have been undertaking a programme of destroying mosques and the graves of revered religious leaders from the Sufi branch of Islam. The destruction of non-approved religious sites started last year when they began to knock down an old colonial era church in the town of Kismayo. [size=14pt]Most Somalis are Sufi Muslims, who do not share the strict Saudi Arabian-inspired Wahhabi interpretation of Islam with the hardline al-Shabab group.[/size] “ The living person can at least defend himself, but the dead cannot, destroying graves is despicable ” Mohamed Sheikh They embrace music, dancing and meditation and are appalled at the desecration of the graves. But al-Shabab sees things differently. The group's spokesman in the town of Kismayo, Sheikh Hassan Yaquub, told the BBC Somali Service that his movement considered that the memorials were being worshipped and that this was idolatry - banned by Islam. "The destruction of graves is not something new: we target graves that are overdecorated and ones used for misleading people. "We are not aiming at the sheikhs [religious leaders] and their standing in the society, but it is forbidden to make graves into shrines," Mr Yaquub said. Mosques closed Grave are being desecrated wherever al-Shabab is in control. The town of Brave is home to a number of minority groups. Among them are the Sufi Bravenese, a Bantu group who speak a language unique to their town called Chimbalazi, similar to Swahili. Many of the graves of their religious leaders have been attacked. Graveyard caretakers have been arrested and told not to go back to work. The disappointment and sadness of this community has reached beyond Somalia. "The people of Brave feel the desecrations of graves are actions against humanity," said Mohamed Sheikh, a Bravenese community leader in Manchester in the north-west of England. "The Islamists closed the mosques and said no-one could pray at the ones near graveyards - arguing that the prayers performed there could not be proper prayers and would amount to worshiping the graves themselves. "These people [he avoids mentioning al-Shabab by name] cannot teach us about Islam. Islam reached Brave and all the coastal areas when the religion arrived in East Africa 1,250 to 1,300 years ago. "The living person can at least defend himself, but the dead cannot. The spirits of the dead deserve respect. Even when we walk near graves we walk slowly, because while the bodies are dead, the spirit is not. Destroying graves is despicable." Fighting back There is evidence that the anger is stirring the usually peaceful Sufis to take up arms and fight back against al-Shabab. The umbrella group Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama (Sufi Sects in Somalia) has condemned the actions of what they call the ideology of modern Wahhabism and the desecrations of graves. They see Wahhabism as foreign and ultimately un-Islamic. Wahhabism is a branch of Sunni Islam dominant in Saudi Arabia. It preaches a more literal interpretation of Islam and condemns innovations in Islam and rituals. It is at the opposite end of the spectrum of Islam to Sufism. "These radical groups shed Muslim blood every day and they dig out and desecrate our graves. They are funded from outside and their Wahhabi ideology is foreign and must be dealt with," says the group's spokesman Abdirasak Mohamed Al Ash'ari. The group has now joined forces with the embattled government of President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed, a moderate Islamist, against al-Shabab. Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama now controls much of the Galgadud Region in Central Somalia after they defeated al-Shabab in a number of battles. In one of their battles they managed to kill a senior al-Shabab leader. By antagonising the Sufi groups, al-Shabab may have gone too far.
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Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by RichyBlacK(m): 11:27pm On Jun 11, 2009 |
The al-Shabab group must be crushed! These foul imbeciles taking orders from Saudi Arabia to desecrate the dead must be routed at all cost! There is absolutely no excuse in this world or the next, to desecrate graves. Only the most ignominious bastards will do such a thing. What idiotic interpretation of Islam teaches Muslims to not only kill other Muslims but to also desecrate their graves? This is unpardonable and the Sufis must fight back and annihilate the Wahhabists. These dirty urchins in Saudi-Arabia are trying to introduce their barbaric religion into Somalia and all must bring them to their knees. As far as I'm concerned, there are no worse humans than Wahhabists on this earth! Thankfully, the Ahlu Sunnah Wal Jama (the umbrella group of Sufi sects in Somalia) is fighting back ferociously. I hope more true Muslims will stop seeing the failed state of Saudi-Arabia as anything special. Just because Mecca and Medina are in Saudi-Arabia does not make those gremlins who advocate Wahhabism any more special than saner Muslims in America, Egypt, Iran and Jordan. We, the living can fight as much as we want, but going to disturb the dead is unconscionable! |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by sosisi(f): 11:50pm On Jun 11, 2009 |
richy has been converted |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by muhsin(m): 1:32pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
No matter how converted he has been, I hope he won't be too selfish too say what's truth--like you, davidylan and the rest. ![]() |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by jantavanta(m): 3:41pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Fela Anikulapo-Kuti sang that "we go to London and Mecca and we come back to yab ourselves " |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by MadMax1(f): 1:03pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
RichyBlacK: Man, you sound like all you need is a semi-automatic rifle and you'll go to town on wiping them out! Take am easy o. |
Re: Saudi Arabia ,the Seat Of Islam Is The Most Wicked Government On Earth by biina: 1:19pm On Jun 18, 2009 |
RichyBlacK:and you know this as a fact? ![]() So the fight in Somalia is over islamic sects? ![]() Its funny that you condemn the wahhabist of trying to kill other Muslims, but then recommend that they be wiped out. Pot calling kettle black ![]() People have always done evil in the name of God and religion. The problem is with people and not with God or religion. |
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