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Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 9:59pm On May 18, 2009
I can tell you this if Yar adua remove the Yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa before tuesday when obama leaves Ghana Obama would visit nigeria after Ghana if the national assembly pass the bill .
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Ndipe(m): 10:01pm On May 18, 2009
Cant the man make his own choices? Seriously, what meaningful contribution would Obama's visit have on the lives of the ordinary Nigerian, or is just to blow hot air that Nigeria is the first black African nation to host the President of the USA?
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 10:17pm On May 18, 2009
It is called gettting investment.


The USA FBI have to clear obama to visit. And the FBI have prove that nigeria election is fraud. USA govt does not like Fraud based government. It is USA policy.

That why we have put a bill to stop all this fraud. And make the North majority in Nigeria instead of the minority that are. That way, they do not have to continue to rig election. This bill removes the Yoruba, edo,delta and bayelsa into Benin republic, making the north majority. And there would not be need for fraud in election in Nigeria.





here is the copy of the bill. President Yar adua, senators, houses member and clark would already have the bill in thier email before tomorrow sitting. They should all check thier email.



A BILL
AN ACT TO CREATE THE NIGERIA-BENIN COMMISSION AND BOUNDARY RELOCATION AND NIGERIA-BENIN PARLIAMENT.

SPONSORS
EGBE OMO ODUDUWA


This Bill shall amend the boundary of Nigeria. And the following state of Bayelsa, Edo, Ekiti, lagos,Oyo, Ogun, Delta, Ondo, Osun, Kwara,kogi and Borgu(niger state) [Belodok states ] shall be permanently transferred to Benin Republic with supervision of the Nigeria-Benin commission. All land, air, coastal area, land, everything inside its land and air shall belong to the Republic of Benin
NIGERIA-BENIN COMMISSION ROLE AND RULES
This bill also create the Nigeria- Benin commission, which is to be headed by the president of Nigeria and President of Benin republic in rotation. A Two year duration , shall be approved by members of the Nigeria-Benin commission. The head of the Nigeria-Benin commission shall be called President General. The position of President General is reserved for only the president of Nigeria and Benin Republic. No other member of the Nigeria- Benin commission can hold the position of President General or deputy President General apart from this two.

The position of President General shall be rotated between the president of Nigeria and Benin republic. While the position of deputy President General shall be rotated between the president of Nigeria and Benin republic. With Nigeria President Umar Yar Adua starting first.

The Nigeria-Benin commission shall have 17 members. There are
The president of Nigeria.
The president of Benin republic
The president of Nigeria-Benin parliament
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament (Nigeria)
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament(Nigeria)
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament(Nigeria)
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament(Benin)
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament(Benin)
The Deputy president of Nigeria-Benin parliament(Benin)
The senate president of Nigeria Senate
The Deputy senate president of Nigeria senate
The President of the Nigeria house of representative
The deputy President of Nigeria house of representative
The senate president of Benin Senate
The Deputy senate president of Benin senate
The President of the Benin house of representative
The deputy President of Benin house of representative

All serving governor, members of the senate, house of representative, chairman of local government, all elected position shall retain their position either transferred from Nigeria to the New Republic of Benin or in Nigeria.
There would be one currency in Nigeria and Benin republic with one central bank in each country. The currency shall be knew as Nibe. From the first two letter of the name of Nigeria and Benin Republic.
Nigeria and Benin Republic would financed the Nigeria-Benin commission and Nigeria-Benin parliament base on a 70% for Nigeria and 30% Republic of Benin ratio.
And an open boundary with no immigration officers expect at the boundary with other nation apart from Nigeria and Benin Republic.
All citizen of both Nigeria and Benin shall have right of resident in both country.
Nigeria and Benin republic shall still remain separate sovereign nation
This bill is based on the willingness of Benin republic accepting the Belodok state, if in an otherwise case the Belodok states shall become sovereign nation and all refers to Benin republic in this bill shall be replaced by Belodok, including the commission and parliament.
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The Nigeria-Benin commission role is an executive role , while the Nigeria-Benin parliament is a legislative role.
All non physical assets of Nigeria including money and external reserve and other should be divided and transferred with a ratio 70% for Nigeria and 30% for Benin Republic.
Nigeria and Benin Republic shall contribute military force to Ecowas, Africa union and United nation if need be.
All office, officer and position either in the military or civilian retain in the Nigeria shall be transfer over to Benin republic and shall all retain the same position expect if in conflict. All personel should not be sacked. And most retain their position or be created.
All physical military position and assets of Nigeria including money, weapon, ships, tanks and others and other should be divided and transferred with a ratio 70% for Nigeria and 30% for Benin Republic.
All military personel in Nigeria of the New Republic of Benin origin shall be transfer to the Republic of Benin and retain the same military position and rank expect if there is conflict.
All civilian personel in Nigeria service of the New Republic of Benin origin shall be transfer to the Republic of Benin and retain the same position and scale expect if there is conflict.
All physical assets outside of Nigeria should be divided and transferred with a ratio 60% for Nigeria and 40% for Benin Republic.
All physical properties, document and other in The New Republic of Benin should be transfer by Nigeria. Include Airport, stadium, universities, roads, railway, seaport, etc belonging to Nigeria but is located in the New Republic of Benin shall be transfer to the Republic of Benin.

Each countries shall monitors its territory according to international law.
All international agency should be inform of the change in boundary and the establishment of the Nigeria-Benin commission including Ecowas, Africa union, the United Nation, European Union, USA, UK, Canada, China, India, Japan, Germany France, south Africa and other countries.
Nigeria-Benin commission headquarter, activate and site shall be located not in the capital of both country but on both countries bank of the River Niger at Mokwa in Niger state and Jebba in Kwara state. While Abuja would still remain the capital of Nigeria.
Nigeria-Benin commission duty include to execute law and rule set for it by the Nigeria-Benin parliament.


NIGERIA-BENIN PARLIAMENT ROLE AND RULES.

Nigeria-Benin parliament official languages shall be in English and French
Nigeria-Benin parliament headquarter, activate and site shall be located not in the capital of both country but on both countries bank of the River Niger at Mokwa in Niger state and Jebba in Kwara state. While Abuja would remain the capital of Nigeria.
The present Nigeria and Benin republic senate and house of representative would be merge on both level to create the initial Nigeria-Benin parliament.
In future the Nigeria-Benin parliament shall be made of members 60% of Nigeria and 40% of Benin Republic members.

The Nigeria-Benin parliament shall formate law leading to the unity of both economy
Nigeria-Benin parliament shall have one President and 6 deputy President. Three each from Nigeria and Republic of Benin
Nigeria-Benin business licensing board shall be created to licence business in the Nigeria-Benin parliament area.
All business licence shall be merge.
All members of Nigeria-Benin parliament shall be eligible for election to the office of President or deputy president of Nigeria-Benin Parliament.
The President or deputy president of the Nigeria-Benin parliament cannot combine his duties with any post expect ecowas related.
The President shall reside at the seat of the Parliament.
Before every round of voting at the Nigeria-Benin Parliament, the list of candidates for the post of President or deputy president shall be submitted to the Oldest Representative in term of age who shall read it out to the Parliament.
The President shall be elected by a two-thirds of Members of Parliament at the first round of voting, by an absolute majority of voting members at the following rounds at which only two (2) candidates who obtained the highest number of votes shall be presented.
As soon as the President has been elected, the oldest Representative shall vacate the Chair as acting President of Nigeria-Benin Parliament .
Only the elected President of the Nigeria-Benin Parliament may deliver an opening address.

Election of Deputy President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament
Six (6) Deputy President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament would be elected. Three each from Nigeria and republic of Benin.
Six (6) Deputy President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament shall then be elected separately. The candidate obtaining the majority of the votes cast on the first ballot shall be declared elected.
Should the number of candidates elected be less than the number of seats to be filled, a second ballot shall be held under the same conditions to fill the remaining seats.
Should a third ballot be necessary, a relative majority shall suffice for election to the remaining seats.
New nominations may be introduced between ballots during the election of Deputy President
Deputy Presidents to Nigeria-Benin Parliament shall take precedence in the order in which they were elected and, in the event of a tie, by age,
The term of office of the President or Deputy President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament shall be one time term of two years
The term of office of the President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament shall be rotated between Nigeria and Benin Republic.
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The term of office of the all members of the Nigeria-Benin Parliament shall be four years.

The Parliament may, on the basis of the report of a special committee, remove the President or Deputy President to Nigeria-Benin Parliament by a vote of two-thirds majority of the members, for serious shortcomings in the management of the affairs of the Parliament .
The special Committee may be set up at the request of a parliamentary group or at least twenty (20) Members of Parliament. The decision to set up the Committee shall be approved by a simple majority of the Members of Parliament of Parliament.
When a Representative changes parliamentary group he shall retain, for the remainder of his term of office, any seat he holds in the Nigeria-Benin Parliament.
Should a vacancy for one of these positions occur before the expiry of his term, the Representative elected shall serve only for the remaining period of his predecessor's term of office.

Vacancies
Should it be necessary for the President, a Deputy President or any other member of the Nigeria-Benin Parliament to be replaced, his successor shall be elected in accordance with these rules.
A newly elected Deputy President shall take the place of his predecessor in the order of precedence.
Should the President’s seat become vacant, the first Deputy President shall act as President until a new President is elected.
Duties of the President
The President shall direct all the activities of Parliament and its bodies under the conditions laid down in these Rules. He/she shall enjoy all the powers necessary to preside over the proceedings of Parliament and to ensure that they are properly conducted.
The duties of the President shall be to open, suspend and close sittings, to ensure observance of these Rules, maintain order, call upon Presidents, close debates, put matters to the vote and announce the results of votes, and to refer to Committees any communications that concern them.
The President may speak in a debate. Should he wish to take part in a debate, he shall vacate the Chair and shall not reoccupy it until the debate is over.
Parliament shall be represented in international relations, on ceremonial occasions and in administrative, legal or financial matters by the President, who may delegate these powers.
Duties of the Deputy President
Should the President be absent or unable to discharge his duties, or should he wish to take part in a debate pursuant to Rule , he shall be replaced by one of the Deputy Presidents, in order of hierarchy.
Duties of Treasurers
The Treasurers shall be responsible for administrative and financial matters directly concerning Members of Parliament, pursuant to guidelines laid down by the Nigeria-Benin Parliament
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Jairzinho(m): 10:59pm On May 18, 2009
nuzo:

Sounds like becomrich to me.

no,it can't be,his English isn't that good !
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Abeem(m): 6:08am On May 19, 2009
Character is like a smoke, no matter how much you cover it, it will find its escape route. You can pretend and hid your character from people, but just like a smoke, it will reveal itself. Yar’adua thinks he can get away with lying. Maybe we can pardon him because he was getting ready to go back to his remote village in Katsina before OBJ beckoned to him to make a detour to Aso Rock. He doesn’t appreciate that a leader does not just open his mouth and talk; that as honorable people, the words of leaders are their bonds and that lying is not part of the leader’s antics/character.
He went to White House and lied through his teeth to George Bush promising all sorts of reforms that he knew he has no political clout to execute. He promised electoral reforms but implemented electoral brigandage. He promised to institute zero tolerance on corruption but he is dinning and winning with the most corrupt elements in the country. His attorney general is the most corrupt attorney general in the world. People have been telling him since August 2007 when he was barely three months in office that the attorney general is morally bankrupt and a misfit for the office, but he never listen. Today the whole world knows Andoakaa as the most corrupt man in his administration and continues to wax stronger in office.
He promised seven point agenda as his administration's road map to sustainable economic development in the country. He has not executed any of the agenda after two years in office. You can go on and on to expose the man's impotence when it comes to good governance.
Why then would a US President waste his time talking to a liar? A president that has no integrity and is duplicitous is unworthy of association with the US President.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Gbawe: 9:03am On May 19, 2009
I think those who argue in favour of an ulterior motive of the USA over her President's visit to Ghana , rather than Nigeria, do Obama a disservice. Pertinent to factor in also is an intrinsic need of Nigerians to always defend Nigeria even when the actual truth is inescapable. No one can deny that the USA is self -serving - and cunningly so. Obama , even as I am not a complete fan , is an emotional man who has already made it obvious that , within the constraint of putting the interest of the USA above everything else , he will attempt to do the right thing.

He has spoken against corrupt African leaders from day one. As a direct descendant of an African it is not surprising he is passionate about the continent and prepared to go beyond the lip service and hypocritical posturing previous American Presidents have deployed in dealing with vile leaders regressing Africa.

Obama appears prepared to show , with his actions and nuances , that he will not tacitly support or diplomatically endorse overtly corrupt and despotic leaders like Yar Adua.

As the leader of the largest black nation , with that positions attendant importance for the progress or retrogression of Africa and the black race, it is clear from 'events' , for those who want to view things dispassionately, that Yar Adua has been singled out by Obama for subtle humiliation much like how most of us will fail to appear with the village LovePeddler in public !!!

Yar Adua solicited a meeting with Obama. The Nigerian President was curtly rebuffed. Still, skilled Nigerian Spin doctors spun away.

Obama is visiting Ghana rather than Nigeria. We are seeing the various spins ongoing from AFRICOM to Ghanaian docility and 'malleability'.

Well can anyone deny that Obama is , to say the least , 'unimpressed' with Yar Adua from the oft- missed snub he dished out to the President of "the Giant of Africa"  at the inception of his presidency as quoted below :

http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200905193435557

While Obama did not call Nigeria‘s President Umar Yar’Adua on his assumption of office as US President, he actually called President John Atta Mills of Ghana on April 10.

Obama called few world leaders previously within couple of weeks as president, including the then South Africa‘s president, Mr. Kgalema Motlanthe.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Nobody: 10:30am On May 19, 2009
Ghana is being rewarded for good governance, good economic management, and the rule of law, with a visit by President Barack Obama and Michelle in July.

The land of Kwame Nkrumah and Pan-Africanism has been shining lately.

The country, which had a smooth election and transition earlier this year with John Atta Mills stepping into office was selected over larger and more powerful African countries such as Nigeria and South Africa for the honor.

Nigeria and South Africa are weighed down with anvils.

Although South Africa qualifies as Africa's most powerful democracy, the newly elected president there, Jacob Zuma, is a man of unenviable morals and lacks integrity, which is important for a nation's president. His financial advisor and friend was convicted on bribery charges and served prison time.

He had reportedly paid the bribe to Zuma while he was vice president to steer arms contracts to favored suppliers. Yet, Zuma, the alleged recipient of the bribe, was never tried.

Zuma faced investigation for years and former president Thabo Mbeki dropped him as vice president. But Zuma had strong grassroots support. He defeated Mbeki for the ANC party leadership and eventually Mbeki was forced to step down, paving the way for Zuma's rise in the recent elections.

South African authorities had earlier dropped the investigation when it became clear that nothing could stop Zuma from becoming president.

He had also been involved in an earlier scandal when he was acquitted of rape. He claimed the sex, with a family friend, had been consensual.

The woman was HIV positive: Zuma claimed he minimized his own risk by taking a warm shower after intercourse. He became the butt of South African jokes and was widely ridiculed.

There was no chance South Africa, even with the legacy of the great Nelson Mandela, could be the first African country visited by President Obama, due to the stench from Zuma’s post-apartheid political career.

(Although Obama's first continental visit is to Egypt, the Cairo government considers itself more Middle Eastern than African).

Nigeria also was eliminated because of the rigged elections that ushered Umaru Yar'Ardua into office. The country also has terrible PR as a result of the ongoing conflict in the oil rich Delta region--the millions of dollars spent on "rebranding" will never be a substitute for good leadership.

All in all, Ghana, the first country to win independence from Britain in Africa, the mother of Pan-Africanism, and birth home of Nkrumah, was an excellent choice.
www.blackstarnews.com
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Nignog: 10:45am On May 19, 2009
i sure obama visit nigeria when he ready to buy a old head or a stinky foot at the lagos market. ooooooooooooo
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by jamace(m): 12:22pm On May 19, 2009
Why shouldn't he visit Ghana before Nigeria? What do you think Nigeria is - Better than Ghana? I don't think so.
Obama has chosen to visit countries that are important to America's interest. Period.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Nignog: 12:26pm On May 19, 2009
Ghana sell pigs feet at de market
Nigeria sell peoplez feet at de market
decisions decisions
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Abz: 12:58pm On May 19, 2009
Maybe his visit is due to the fact that Ghana is the first independent country in W.Africa, or maybe Nigeria reminds him of the US Republican party, enough comparing Ghana to Nigeria, there is no much difference between the two, economically (GDP) Nigeria is stronger in the international viewpoint, Ghana doesn't even come close. There is a lot of improvement that could be made to Nigeria, such as our reliance on the oil sector, we should consider other sectors, by doing this will boost our economy further, Our problem are the old ones that can't see past the colonial blindfold, holding and influencing power and wealth within the country, I don’t think having an educated sound reasoning mind as being a criteria in selecting the country’s president or other important political role (influence and wealth are the criteria)…so how do we expect things to change for the better…well just like the US, our time will come.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 6:56pm On May 19, 2009
No, that is not the reason. Obama does not like fraud. he refused to take money from NSE lady. He just have his principle.

Like I told you people before if Yar Adua and the national assembly pass this bill. Obama would be in Nigeria before the end of this year. Take my word for it.

You see the major reason nigeria have problem in the international community is found in the satellite pictures. While for many years we use to wonder how can the white man in USA and claim our election were rigged. The reason the white man can do this is because they know in some places we claim people won election. There is nobody there. So how can someone get 1 ,000,000 in empty place.

Now ask yourself why do we rig election and have fraud census. The answer is simple. Every ethnics group want a piece of the national cake.  Most  of this election rigging and census fraud are by northerner, which lead to Abiola June 12 election. 1963 census lead to awo arrest, which lead to the first coup and lead to Nigeria civil war.

Now ask yourself why do northerner rig election and get involve in census fraud. The answer is simple because they are minority in Nigeria. And they do not want to loss power.

Our problem started when nigeria was created. They did not under africa politics before the creation of nigeria. If we redraw the map of Nigeria and give the north majority. The north does not need to rig election. While if you ask why igbos have not been president. The answer lays with northerner, who are scared that the Igbo if they get into power may break up nigeria. Since it is assume that the igbos may join forces with the yorubas and remove them.

Now to solve this, If the northern have full majority , they would not be scared to make igbo president. If we remove Yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa state. we would have 25 state and the north would have 17 state. This way they know in the national assembly , even if an igboman is president, they can impreach him. It remove the fear. Look at the case of ashati in Ghana with close to 50% of the population. they have rule only twice.

Now if this bill pass, an igboman would be president in 2015, because it would be the turn of the south. But the Yorubas would be in Benin republic.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 7:14pm On May 19, 2009
the idea can not work. it is not acceptable to majority of nigerian. mostly northerner. But if you look at the idea of the Yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa been removed to benin republic. Majority of nigerian would accept it.

Why do I say majority.

If just pretend we have a true census figure, which we do not. Half of the population they claim are northerner. 90% of Northerner would not care or are not against the Yoruba, edo ,delta and bayelsa been part of the benin republic. Some may want bayelsa to remain. Even if we say for Jonathan reason, bayelsa remain part of Nigeria, and only yorubas, edo and delta state is remove to Benin republic. 90% of northerner would agree. which they claim thru the fraud census is 45% of Nigeria . we Yorubas , edo and delta state have another 35% of the population. And 99% of us , would agree to join benin republic.

When you add 45% + 35% , you have 80% of nigerian. Who would agree to remove Yorubas,edo and delta state from Nigeria. 80% is majority.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 7:42pm On May 19, 2009
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Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Eziachi: 8:18pm On May 19, 2009
naijamini:

If this report were true this would be a major miscalculation on the part of President Obama.

Make no mistake, like almost everyone else I think President Obama's achievement as America's first black president is a watershed. In fact I have often argued that a minority President is impossible almost anywhere else in the world. That he achieved this is a testimony to his unique attributes and the basic goodness of the American system.

However, it seems that Africa, unfortunately, is one of President Obama's weaknesses. A visit to Ghana and not to Nigeria does the continent no good at all. The question is what has Ghana done for Africa lately?

Corrupt as it may be it is Nigeria's footprint that you see far and wide on the continent putting out fires, fires that were most times set by America and its western counterparts - think Liberia, Sierra Leone, Ivory Coast, Sudan, Congo and during the apartheid era - South Africa. Nigeria was even crucial in ensuring that Ghana's recent elections -now being hailed as the best thing since sliced bread- did not deteriorate into chaos.

If this report were true, and I don't want to believe it is, Obama's approach to Nigeria is similar to that by many of the above nations who WE save from themselves time and time again, but tend to reward us with the most callous assessments. Not that I blame them necessarily - if a head of state is blowing (and stealing most of it) $12 billion to stop a war in another country while the same kind of war (Niger Delta) is brewing in his backyard, he deserves no respect. If a head of state is building a refinery in Ivory Coast while his brethen's refineries are in disrepair, he deserves no respect. If the privileged few decide to steal $300 billion from millions of people who leave in penury, that nation will be despised all over the world.

Despite the above, Obama's avoidance of Nigeria is still untenable, because there are people down there who are struggling against the Nigerian oligarchy and could use a boost to their efforts. Yaradu'a may be turning out to be less prepared than we thought, his election was definitely flawed, and he has certainly tarnished is Mr. Clean image by surrounding himself with corrupt people, and firing the person who brought the most intense and successful fight against corruption in Nigeria's history. Yet, a visit to Nigeria by President Obama carrying along one of those hard knocking speeches - perhaps adequately translated and broadcasted widely in Yoruba, Hausa and Igbo- would have done a world of good to encourage those keeping up hope in Nigeria and emphasize the need for Yaradu'a to move quickly to solidify democracy in word and deed. It would have also signaled that America's is watching and encouraged true democratic groups, who currently cower, to raise their voice and take Nigeria's destiny in their hands.

I simply don't see how President Obama is going to conduct his African policy without Nigeria. Ordinarily, the U.S. would have opted for South Africa, but that country is looking more and more like Nigeria these days. He is willing to talk to those that most vex U.S. interests around the world and is sharing banter with Hugo Chavez and other corrupt/authoritative leaders in the Middle East and elsewhere. Who elected China's President and government to which America needs to defer in many important areas today? (N.B. I do not supporting non-democratic rule, in fact I despise them.) I just don't see the need for Obama to avoid Nigeria, as long as he makes sure to express the fact that America is not satisfied with Yaradu'a's performance so far.

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What has Ghana done lately for Africa you asked? You should know the answer but decided maybe to blind your eyes and closes your ears as to what they have done lately. Lately Ghana have shown the world that it's possible to have true and real democracy inside Africa, where an opposition party can actually win, where an election umpire is truelly independent, where a sitting president doesn't try to change the law in order to continue.
Ghana has shown us that we can successfully ran away from the bad images and memories of the past and forge ahead successfully without making excuses or posponing it progress just because it took many countries centuries to get it right therefore syconphancy is allowed.

Ghana has shown the third world that you can be successful wiithout crude oil and if oil is found, you don't abandone every other sources of revenue and rush into it head on.  Those who can't see a fresh and a very popular U.S president has chosen Ghana instead of a self proclaimed giant of African to visit first are either myopic or has lost their head. In the Southern himisphere of Africa, it's south Africa, in the north it's Egypt, despite their dictatorial regime, but important as a bridge between the Arabs and Israel and in the West coast of Africa, it was meant to be Nigeria but what has Obama done? He went to Ghana, unofficially telling Nigeria that they should get their act together. That being big is not enough.

The U.S has an embassy in Nigeria and their missions are not blind to what PDP/Army in Agbada govt in Nigeria are doing, camouflaging junta rule as democracy,stealing the collective wealth of their people, killing their own people in Odi, Biafraland and recently in the Delta. They are not blind to what happened in Ekiti just recently and they duly fed their govt about the carrying on in Nigeria.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 8:34pm On May 19, 2009
The idea that Yar Adua is the problem is not true. It is the way the map of nigeria is. IBB should have remove the yorubas , edo, delta and bayelsa during June 12 election. Instead of what he did. IBB did not take the decision himself. It was just the way the politics of Nigeria is. We have to remove the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa state to Benin republic.

Democracy is working in Ghana because the ashati are the majority. Tribalism is low in Ghana than nigeria. If you remove the yoruba, edo, delta and bayelsa you would reduce tribalism in Nigeria to 20% from 100%. There would be a clear majority. THE NORTH.

Britian and france made a mistake in drawing the map of Nigeria. And this is the reason for the election fraud, census fraud and corruption going on in nigeria. Corruption is linked to ethnics loyality.  As long the yorubas, edo, delta and bayelsa remain in Nigeria. corruption would continue. And the international community better expect more fraud from Nigerian.

See the composition of Ghana and thier president.


ethnically, Ghana is high-majority 45% Akan (with subunits Asante, Fante, etc.), with Mole-Dagbon 15.2%, Ewe 11.7%, Ga-Dangme 7.3%, Guan 4%, Gurma 3.6%, Grusi 2.6%, Mande-Busanga 1%, other tribes 1.4%, other 7.8% (2000 census; CIA information)

The Ghanaian Leadership  Roll Call
Source (Wikipedia)
• Osagyefo Kwame Nkrumah (21 September 1909 - 27 April 1972; prime minister from March 6, 1957 – 1 July 1960; president of Ghana from 1 July 1960 – 24 February 1966); from Nkroful, Western Region; Nzima ethnic group.
• General Joseph Arthur Ankrah (18 August 1915 - 25 November 1992, military ruler from 24 February, 1966 – 2 April, 1969); of the Ga ethnic group, around Accra capital
• General Akwasi Amankwaa Afrifa (24 April, 1936 - 26 June, 1979 ; military leader from 2 April, 1969 – 3 April, 1970 ); from Mampong, Ashanti Region;
• Dr. Kofi Abresia Busia (11 July 1913 - 28 August 1978, civilian prime minister from October 1, 1969 – January 13, 1972); from Wenchi, Brong Ahafo Region.
• General Ignatius Kutu Acheampong (23 September 1931 – 16 June 1979, military ruler from 13 January 1972 – 5 July 1978); from Kumasi, Ashanti Region.
• General Frederic William Akuffo (21 March 1937 – 26 June 1979, military ruler from 5 July, 1978 – 4 June, 1979 ); from Akropong, Eastern Region
• Flight Lieutenant Jerry John Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, military ruler from June 4 -September 24 1979); born in Accra; mother is Ewe, father Scottish.
• Dr. Hilla Liman (12 December 1934 – 23 January 1998, civilian president from 24 September 1979 – 31 December 1981); from Gwollu, Upper West Region
• Flight Lieutenant Jerry John Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, military ruler from 31 December 1981 – 7 January 1993); father Scottish.
• Jerry Rawlings (22 June 1947 to date, civilian president from 7 January 1993 – 7 January 2001 ); mother Ewe, father Scottish.
• Dr. John Kofi Agyekum Kufuor (8 December 1938  to date, civilian president from 7 January 2001 – 7 January 2009 ); from Kumasi, Ashanti Region
• Prof. John Atta Mills (1944-to-date, civilian president from January 7, 2009 to ?); born Tarkwa, Western Region; hails from Ekumfi Otuam in the Mfantsiman East Constituency of the Central region
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Fhemmmy: 8:38pm On May 19, 2009
I love this, maybe finally Nigeria will realize that they are no more the giant of Africa.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 11:38pm On May 19, 2009
To show how serious am I, I am telling , if Yar Adua and the national assembly pass the bill, Obama would be in Nigeria before the end of the years.

Look at Obama yestersday with Netanyahu, Isreal prime minister.

Do you know what Netanyahu hate the most in his life HEZEBOLLAH. Do you know who have hezebollah now, Yar adua, Nigeria.

And Umaru Yar Adua should listen to wisdom and the national assembly. All you house of rep and senators. You would all be gone if USA step into nigeria. You can not rig 2011 election. So listen to me. I am not telling you a lie.


Yar adua and national assembly pass the bill i sent. The satellit picture shows north is minority.
Wisdom the word of God says it is profitable to direct the wiseman. but the foolish man would not listen. Saddam did not listen see what happen to him in video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9KQijORV9E&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6IFzM3eoss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0LCEwYjIMI&NR=1

Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by manmustwac(m): 12:46am On May 20, 2009
As things stands now in Africa, Ghana is a shining example and a beacon of hope to black people all over the world.

The whole continent is afflicted with decrepit infrastructure, corruption, ethnic rivalry, and the likes but the most dangerous of them all is electoral fraud. From Pres Obama's native Kenya to Zimbabwe, Nigeria to south Africa, none has been spared the scourge of electoral manipulations.

But Ghana was chosen solely because of the maturity of its democracy as signposted by its superior electoral processes.

It is an indictment of other African countries were elections are a do or die affair



That is the real reason why Obama is visiting Ghana
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by naliakar: 2:56am On May 20, 2009
As things stands now in Africa, Ghana is a shining example and a beacon of hope to black people all over the world.

The whole continent is afflicted with decrepit infrastructure, corruption, ethnic rivalry, and the likes but the most dangerous of them all is electoral fraud. From Pres Obama's native Kenya to Zimbabwe, Nigeria to south Africa, none has been spared the scourge of electoral manipulations.

But Ghana was chosen solely because of the maturity of its democracy as signposted by its superior electoral processes.

It is an indictment of other African countries were elections are a do or die affair



That is the real reason why Obama is visiting Ghana[color=#000099][/color]


Did you also know that Ghana, YES Ghana has very beautiful and intelligent women? There are a legion reasons why Lagos cannot be the number one preferred destination to anybody let alone Obama.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Nignog: 3:20am On May 20, 2009
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Hisname: 12:30pm On May 20, 2009
what is this
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by IFELEKE(m): 12:57pm On May 20, 2009
@Poster,
Simple!
Ever heard of Scale of Preference before? Presently,Nigeria is of little relevance(aside the oil) to the U.S Government so am not surprised at all.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 1:45pm On May 20, 2009
What Yar adua and national assembly do not know is that like Obama is a kenya american, there are nigerian who are nigerian american. Like obama who became senators. Nigerian american works for the FBI, CIA and banks etc. they determine investment into nigeria or if obama is coming to nigeria.  it is not only Iweala that have a good job abroad. There are nigerian who have lived here for 30 to 40 years. We have nigerian working for the United nation.

yar adua should verify this more than half of nigerian living in the USA are yorubas. If yar adua and the national assembly pass the bill. It is possible not a promises yet that obama would last minute include nigeria.

Nigerian american abroad working for the FBI are the one who would determine if nigeria is safe for obama. Not white people as you people believe.

Look if you pass the bill, for you to know how powerful we are, we would make sure and work toward  Obama, Steven harper, François Fillon, and Gordon Brown coming to nigeria on the same day. Let save the lifes of 15,000,000  nigerian for future civil war.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by MadMax1(f): 2:30pm On May 20, 2009
Gbawe:

I think those who argue in favour of an ulterior motive of the USA over her President's visit to Ghana , rather than Nigeria, do Obama a disservice. Pertinent to factor in also is an intrinsic need of Nigerians to always defend Nigeria even when the actual truth is inescapable. No one can deny that the USA is self -serving - and cunningly so. Obama , even as I am not a complete fan , is an emotional man who has already made it obvious that , within the constraint of putting the interest of the USA above everything else , he will attempt to do the right thing.

He has spoken against corrupt African leaders from day one. As a direct descendant of an African it is not surprising he is passionate about the continent and prepared to go beyond the lip service and hypocritical posturing previous American Presidents have deployed in dealing with vile leaders regressing Africa.

Obama appears prepared to show , with his actions and nuances , that he will not tacitly support or diplomatically endorse overtly corrupt and despotic leaders like Yar Adua.

As the leader of the largest black nation , with that positions attendant importance for the progress or retrogression of Africa and the black race, it is clear from 'events' , for those who want to view things dispassionately, that Yar Adua has been singled out by Obama for subtle humiliation much like how most of us will fail to appear with the village LovePeddler in public !!!

Yar Adua solicited a meeting with Obama. The Nigerian President was curtly rebuffed. Still, skilled Nigerian Spin doctors spun away.

Obama is visiting Ghana rather than Nigeria. We are seeing the various spins ongoing from AFRICOM to Ghanaian docility and 'malleability'.

Well can anyone deny that Obama is , to say the least , 'unimpressed' with Yar Adua from the oft- missed snub he dished out to the President of "the Giant of Africa" at the inception of his presidency as quoted below :

http://www.punchontheweb.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200905193435557

Spot on,man. It's a heavy responsibility he bears, being black and the most powerful man in the world. Not only must he do the right thing, he must be seen at it and, hopefully, admired and respected for his stances, his occasional grandstanding. As Abeem rightly pointed out, Yar Adua is out of his depth and the presidential office is run by committee; our leaders lack the integrity and commitment to a unified vision present in Ghanaian and South African leadership. They are, and have long been, an embarrassment. Obama's humiliation of the Nigerian president is not subtle, and is perhaps a tad overdone, like he wants to be certain no one misses it, and it is painful to every Nigerian to observe,but it is not undeserved.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Becomrich: 11:07pm On May 20, 2009
National assembly should be smart. If not, you all would be gone. Saddam did more shakara than you people. Be smart.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by ikeyman00(m): 11:15pm On May 20, 2009
^^^^

u mean yoruba to benin

no problem!!

just yoruba without ekiti,ilorin, osun

bye bye

shakara for where, live nowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by naijamini(m): 1:57am On May 21, 2009
Eziachi:

What has Ghana done lately for Africa you asked? You should know the answer but decided maybe to blind your eyes and closes your ears as to what they have done lately. Lately Ghana have shown the world that it's possible to have true and real democracy inside Africa, where an opposition party can actually win, where an election umpire is truelly independent, where a sitting president doesn't try to change the law in order to continue.
Ghana has shown us that we can successfully ran away from the bad images and memories of the past and forge ahead successfully without making excuses or posponing it progress just because it took many countries centuries to get it right therefore syconphancy is allowed.

Ghana has shown the third world that you can be successful wiithout crude oil and if oil is found, you don't abandone every other sources of revenue and rush into it head on.  Those who can't see a fresh and a very popular U.S president has chosen Ghana instead of a self proclaimed giant of African to visit first are either myopic or has lost their head. In the Southern himisphere of Africa, it's south Africa, in the north it's Egypt, despite their dictatorial regime, but important as a bridge between the Arabs and Israel and in the West coast of Africa, it was meant to be Nigeria but what has Obama done? He went to Ghana, unofficially telling Nigeria that they should get their act together. That being big is not enough.

The U.S has an embassy in Nigeria and their missions are not blind to what PDP/Army in Agbada govt in Nigeria are doing, camouflaging junta rule as democracy,stealing the collective wealth of their people, killing their own people in Odi, Biafraland and recently in the Delta. They are not blind to what happened in Ekiti just recently and they duly fed their govt about the carrying on in Nigeria.

@Eziachi

I would hope there is no need to question my intentions a.k.a. "decided maybe to blind your eyes and closes your ears as to what they have done lately" or call others intelligence into question a.k.a "either myopic or has lost their head." Still, this is mild compared with some of the things I have read on this forum.

Now to the actual reply. Your reasons are understandable, but you missed the fact that I am thinking not in terms of Obama wanting to be in "good" company necessarily, but conducting African policy. If you read my other post you will realize that I do think Ghana deserves commendation, but all this talk about Ghana being way ahead of Nigeria economically doesn't cut it. Ghana is in the same boat as much of Africa, and Nigeria was instrumental in resolving some of their recent logjams.

My point which focuses on Obama's Sub-Saharan African policy is more relevant because his stated goals on the trip was to deal with bilateral and REGIONAL issues. That regional part is what starts me laughing, because for a country with a population of almost 30 million Ghana is incredibly self-centered.

Let me throw out another angle on the issue of this visit, which is that the Sub-Saharan African lobby group in the U.S. has changed. During the Bush years Obasanjo rode high with the White House thanks to his connections with the President's father and the Andrew Young group. With the movement by African-Americans to visit, build and even take residence in Ghana over the last decade or so, coupled with the deservedly more mature approach to their recent elections, and Nigeria's sham election you could see how easy it is for Obama to decide on a visit to Ghana. Still to conduct successful West African policy you cannot exclude Nigeria. Hillary Clinton already moved to assuage the implication of this visit, showing that even the administration recognizes the damage that could be caused if this was portrayed as "teaching Nigeria a lesson".

I hope Ghanaians do not rely too much on outside help and make sure to develop from the inside out - although every country needs some outside help. However, this happened before, in a place called Liberia. There was a time not in the too distant past when inside and outside Africa Liberia was the toast of visitors and businessmen alike in sub-Saharan Africa. We all know the rest of the story. This is the reason why, when grappling with solving the Liberian debacle and not getting much help from the Americans, President Obasanjo retorted that we all know who were behind the carnage in the first place.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by Eziachi: 10:25am On May 21, 2009
naijamini:

@Eziachi

I would hope there is no need to question my intentions a.k.a. "decided maybe to blind your eyes and closes your ears as to what they have done lately" or call others intelligence into question a.k.a "either myopic or has lost their head." Still, this is mild compared with some of the things I have read on this forum.

Now to the actual reply. Your reasons are understandable, but you missed the fact that I am thinking not in terms of Obama wanting to be in "good" company necessarily, but conducting African policy. If you read my other post you will realize that I do think Ghana deserves commendation, but all this talk about Ghana being way ahead of Nigeria economically doesn't cut it. Ghana is in the same boat as much of Africa, and Nigeria was instrumental in resolving some of their recent logjams.

My point which focuses on Obama's Sub-Saharan African policy is more relevant because his stated goals on the trip was to deal with bilateral and REGIONAL issues. That regional part is what starts me laughing, because for a country with a population of almost 30 million Ghana is incredibly self-centered.

Let me throw out another angle on the issue of this visit, which is that the Sub-Saharan African lobby group in the U.S. has changed. During the Bush years Obasanjo rode high with the White House thanks to his connections with the President's father and the Andrew Young group. With the movement by African-Americans to visit, build and even take residence in Ghana over the last decade or so, coupled with the deservedly more mature approach to their recent elections, and Nigeria's sham election you could see how easy it is for Obama to decide on a visit to Ghana. Still to conduct successful West African policy you cannot exclude Nigeria. Hillary Clinton already moved to assuage the implication of this visit, showing that even the administration recognizes the damage that could be caused if this was portrayed as "teaching Nigeria a lesson".

I hope Ghanaians do not rely too much on outside help and make sure to develop from the inside out - although every country needs some outside help. However, this happened before, in a place called Liberia. There was a time not in the too distant past when inside and outside Africa Liberia was the toast of visitors and businessmen alike in sub-Saharan Africa. We all know the rest of the story. This is the reason why, when grappling with solving the Liberian debacle and not getting much help from the Americans, President Obasanjo retorted that we all know who were behind the carnage in the first place.

I can too understand where you are coming from and it's called blind patrotism. If you can't see that Ghana in term of economy growth both in macro and micro economy term is now far ahead of Nigeria, what else is there to debate with you in that regards? If not tell us why corporate companies like Dunlop, Mechiline,PZ that had been in Nigeria for donkey years has closed shop and relocated to Ghana?
Why Nigerian own indiginoeus companies like OVATION magazine has left Nigeria to relocate to Ghana?
Why so Many Igbo businessmen are secretly and gradually reducing their investment in the northern Nigeria and moving them to Ghana?
Soon it will be Sierra Leon and Liberia too. mark my word! And Nigeria govt are busy shelling their own citizens in the Delta.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by asha80(m): 10:29am On May 21, 2009
Eziachi:

I can too understand where you are coming from and it's called blind patrotism. If you can't see that Ghana in term of economy growth both in macro and micro economy term is now far ahead of Nigeria, what else is there to debate with you in that regards? If not tell us why corporate companies like Dunlop, Mechiline,PZ that had been in Nigeria for donkey years has closed shop and relocated to Ghana?
Why Nigerian own indiginoeus companies like OVATION magazine has left Nigeria to relocate to Ghana?
Why so Many Igbo businessmen are secretly and gradually reducing their investment in the northern Nigeria and moving them to Ghana?
Soon it will be Sierra Leon and Liberia too. mark my word! And Nigeria govt are busy shelling their own citizens in the Delta.


Men eziachi i like your comments.You are my kind of person.No holes barred and no beating around the bush.
Re: Why Is Obama Visiting Ghana Before Nigeria? by naijamini(m): 3:23pm On May 21, 2009
Eziachi:

I can too understand where you are coming from and it's called blind patrotism. If you can't see that Ghana in term of economy growth both in macro and micro economy term is now far ahead of Nigeria, what else is there to debate with you in that regards? If not tell us why corporate companies like Dunlop, Mechiline,PZ that had been in Nigeria for donkey years has closed shop and relocated to Ghana?
Why Nigerian own indiginoeus companies like OVATION magazine has left Nigeria to relocate to Ghana?
Why so Many Igbo businessmen are secretly and gradually reducing their investment in the northern Nigeria and moving them to Ghana?
Soon it will be Sierra Leon and Liberia too. mark my word! And Nigeria govt are busy shelling their own citizens in the Delta.

@Eziachi
Obviously you see this discussion as a dash for the extremes. Nigeria is all bad, Ghana all good. You keep ignoring the point of my message which is mainly how Obama cannot successfully conduct Sub-Saharan African policy without Nigeria. If anything is to be called the Obama doctrine, it is that you should aim to split the difference - focus on improving what is collectively good and reducing what you can collectively agree as bad. Do not by assumption lump me with those who don't see anything wrong with Nigeria. Please search for my post about "Top 10 or So Reasons for the Nigerian Situation" and you will see that I give considerable thought to what hails Nigeria. That is not blind patriotism, that is recognizing the good that Nigeria has done in Africa, even if it was done at our domestic expense. We praise Nigeria for the former, we knock our leaders (and very hard) for the latter, since we can (and should) engage in African affairs and develop domestically at the same time. In fact the two are not mutually exclusive.

When has anybody on the African continent raised a finger in Nigeria's aid. Almost never. They rush down to Nigeria once something goes kreeen in their countries, and then they go back and make callous comments about us. It was the Kenyans a couple of years ago ridiculing us because we cannot successfully conduct a census (which is true), but what did they do with their own subsequent elections? Did Nigeria start ridiculing them or stepped in to help. You be the judge. Instead of seeing Nigerian investments as contributing to their economy a Ghanaian officcial has summarized how they feel about it "they are afraid the their economy would be dominated by Nigerians." This is the same inordinate fear that informed Shagari's deportation of Ghanaians in the 1980s.

Kudos to Ghana on their elections and economic progress, it is a real challenge to Nigeria. That much I would acknowledge, but it is not the best thing since sliced bread some would have us believe.

Nigeria is not all bad, with a number of fundamental changes we can really go somewhere, but that discussion is for another day.

I am out.

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