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| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by sosisi(f): 3:36am On May 23, 2009 |
naijaking1: leave them let them fight their niger delta war bo |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by sosisi(f): 3:40am On May 23, 2009 |
;d |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ahf(m): 10:50am On May 23, 2009 |
biina: Assuming this data can be verified as authentic. Rivers, Delta and Akwa Ibom have a large chunk of the revenue. I would like to see the respective government's narartion of how they spend their allocations. That would be a good way to start holding them accountable. Bayelsa is quite low. Guess it's becuase a lot of the oil production in that state has been shut in and probably the companies dont want to go there. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by JJYOU: 2:40pm On May 23, 2009 |
ahf:why not every state. why not include the pure and ethical states of naija. what makes these place worse than others? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 5:02pm On May 23, 2009 |
JJYOU:cos they are the states whose indigenes are crying marginalization, and harboring a militant group that seem intent on declaring war on the FG. Their people lack basic infrastructure and thus the state government should be made to accountable for those funds. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by JJYOU: 5:05pm On May 23, 2009 |
biina:tell us the state with basic infrastructure so we exempt them from the list |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 5:07pm On May 23, 2009 |
JJYOU:or lacking militant groups warring against the FG. Ans: All states outside the ND area |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by JJYOU: 5:13pm On May 23, 2009 |
biina:you guys keep deceiving yourselves. what did nigeria benefit from the biafran war? you dont kill your own people. there can never be a beautiful war. if you think you are safe becos you live outside that aarea wait for some few months and see what war look like |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 5:19pm On May 23, 2009 |
ahf:The figures are from the monthly disbursement of funds from the federal allocation account, to the different tiers of government (federal, state and local). The data is from the Federal Ministry of Finance and it is published monthly. I don't think the veracity is in doubt, as it is publicly available, and none of the affected entities has questioned its authenticity. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 5:26pm On May 23, 2009 |
JJYOU:What has the civil war and biafra got to do with the issue of the ND state governments being made to account for their allocations?  If you engage in criminal activities or acts of treason, you endanger your own life. Nobody ever said war was a good thing, but it is the preferred option to a bunch of criminals holding a whole nation to ransom. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by JJYOU: 5:31pm On May 23, 2009 |
biina:google the word biafra you will see the likes of you those days breaking grammar calling them the same name you are calling these people today or you are not old enough?. fact is we have all eaten on their back and detrement that is the fact. you dont have to be a nigerian to call evil nice. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by texazzpete(m): 5:33pm On May 23, 2009 |
JJYOU: And i suppose the reason why you didn't preach this same message to the murderous millitants is because the JTF personnel are from Chad or Sudan, eh? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by JJYOU: 5:38pm On May 23, 2009 |
texazzpete:i dont like arm chair war mongers. it would have been very nice you go join the JFT and come back for your medals after the war. WINNING WAR IS VERY EASY. WINNING PEACE IS DIFFICULT churchill would counsel [size=14pt]jaw jaw is better than war war[/size] |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 5:54pm On May 23, 2009 |
JJYOU:Did biafra kidnap people? The factors that led to the civil war are well documented, and I am quite familiar with them. I do not need a refresher course. You seem bent on clouding the topic in extraneous issues, and you do not seem to have the best interest of the ND people (or Nigeria as a whole). The facts are - the ND area was (and still is) under developed - substantial funds have been disbursed over time, in a bid to address the issue - there is no evidence of said funds being put to judicious use in addressing the needs of the people - MEND and similar organizations have been perpetuating criminal acts under a just cause - FG has deployed troops to the area resulting in the death of innocent civilians Should we not then question those who were responsible for the funds so that the fundamental issue would be addressed? We should not lose sight of the primary goal of improving the standard of living of the people in the ND area. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by SapeleGuy: 6:35pm On May 23, 2009 |
Biina - The fundamental issue is the unfair and feudal 'Land Use Act'. Let us have resource control for all. Let North, South, East & West develop with what they have. Mineral resources are allover the country let us exploit them for the good of all. To answer your question on whether Biafra kidnapped people. Yes,They did worse, they claimed mid west territory that was not theirs to claim. Not because they had love for them but because they wanted a resource to make biafra viable. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by naijaking1: 6:59pm On May 23, 2009 |
SapeleGuy: Hopeless revisionist historian at best, and pathologic tribalist at worst |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ThinkRait: 7:15pm On May 23, 2009 |
This is becoming a war or words which will not change the reality on ground. Texazzpete, webdezzi and naijaking will not change their stance neither will Ibime and SapeleGuy. If you guyz think you are smart and want to be heard, proceed to NTA, channels, AIT or tv continental. They love people that argue endlessly. The truth remains that the onslaught will only reduce the activities of the militants. The people in these communities will continue suffering. The rigging party will continue rigging their way to the govt houses. The people will continue suffering, the cry for marginalisation will become louder, the politicians and militants will steal more crude, the military and militants will continue in their propaganda and the rest of the world will continue laughing at us. Nigeria is getting rebranded. By 2020 we will laugh last. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ahf(m): 7:16pm On May 23, 2009 |
Why is there an assumption that Resource Control been demanded would better the Niger Delta? They have 13% and issues are still on ground. Even if you move to 50% or even 100% whats the likelihood of a better life for the ordinary man in the Niger Delta. Dont you think the in fitting would explode ? We Nigerians (note: - not only Niger Deltans) are the best when it comes to greed and the EGO ATTITUDE of wanting to have more than the next person. The argument that corrupt people are in every state of the Federation (which is true by the way) and that no one should point to the Niger Delta as been different doesnt sink well. If we try and focus on the issue at hand, which is lack of development in the Niger Delta, shouldnt we be asking for accountablility (be it from all State Governors) from the states getting the largest federal allocation ? Cant we ask how the current money is been spent to help understand how to allocate more ? Or are the Past & Current Governors been defended ? Bottom line FG - DEVELOP THE NIGER DELTA, (it's quite hard the longer militancy is allowed to prevail, because no one would be willing to go there to build infrastructure- Would you?) |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ThinkRait: 7:19pm On May 23, 2009 |
This is becoming a war or words which will not change the reality on ground. Texazzpete, webdezzi and naijaking will not change their stance neither will Ibime and SapeleGuy. If you guyz think you are smart and want to be heard, proceed to NTA, channels, AIT or tv continental. They love people that argue endlessly. The truth remains that the onslaught will only reduce the activities of the militants. The people in these communities will continue suffering. The rigging party will continue rigging their way to the govt houses. The people will continue suffering, the cry for marginalisation will become louder, the politicians and militants will steal more crude, the military and militants will continue in their propaganda and the rest of the world will continue laughing at us. Nigeria is getting rebranded. By 2020 we will laugh last. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by freed(m): 7:20pm On May 23, 2009 |
sapele guy, wetin you be? urhobo, itsekiri, isoko?  we all know how you deltans people can be, antiigbo and antibiafra |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by naijaking1: 7:27pm On May 23, 2009 |
It's quite shocking how some people want to change history b/4 our korokoro eyes, if you're not sure, if you people screwed up(like some of us did), and if you learned anything from the past 30-40 years; why not just say so. When you begin to make up facts, it shows that you have neither learnt from history, nor have any good intention for the future. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by SapeleGuy: 7:30pm On May 23, 2009 |
We are a nation of ethnic nationalities let us respect one another. The term tribe is derogatory to the nations within Nigeria, so tribalsim is not a notion i subscribe to. We must not exploit one another. If stating that there is more to Nigeria than WaZoBia or that the Biafra cause also had its flaws or that the land use act needs to be repealed so we can all have true autonomy then fine. Isn't tribalism the championing of one tribe over another? If so who am I guilty of championing? Revisionist historian, I think not. What was the reason for occupying the midwest? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ahf(m): 7:31pm On May 23, 2009 |
Our greatest asset as Nigerians is the pure disrespect for each other's tribe. Any issue or discussion is tribalistic. Fantastic, We should keep it up, it will get us to the promise land, dont u think so too ? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by SapeleGuy: 7:32pm On May 23, 2009 |
AHF - Resource control or repealing the land use act would make a better Nigeria by diversifying the economy. It would simplify the equation, 'no food for lazy man'. I don't think that is a bad thing. There are other resources in the nation let us also exploit those and share allocation. Do you guys not see that Nigeria has regressed because of dependence on oil. We need competition, Other countries have service or manufacturing based economies or do we wait until the oil has dried up before we take action? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by naijaking1: 7:57pm On May 23, 2009 |
Tribalism is strong, because our national outlook as a country is weak  One can deny his tribe no more than he can deny his own name. In reality, our tribe forms our identity----- language/accent, culture, and even tribal marks  We can't deny it. The evil with Africans/Nigerians is that tribe forms the basis for bigotry in 21st century. So, "all Igbos are cheats, because I have been cheated by 3 Igbo people consecutively over the past month; or all Yorubas are disloyal, because over the past 1 year, every Yoruba person I meet turns out to be disloyal; or that all Ijaws are criminals, because of the action of a few". Bigotry and not tribalism is our bane. It forms the basis, though unscientific where we hide and rationalize our petty prejudices. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by 4Play(m): 8:06pm On May 23, 2009 |
People keep yapping that the Niger-Delta region is getting a fair share of the revenues. That share of revenues had to be extricated from the rest of Nigeria after much haggling, with the occasional outbursts of violence. The idea that these people have to haggle with the rest of Nigeria over the proceeds of oil from their territory is ridiculous. The irony is that they are being bombed with weapons purchased from oil proceeds. What most short-sighted folks don't realise is that we are slowly gearing up for a much larger conflict in the future. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by ahf(m): 8:14pm On May 23, 2009 |
4 Play: The manner in which 13% derivation was gotten is not in doubt. But dont you think we should still ask GOVERNORS to account for current state allocations to better help us understand where shortfall in funds exhisit and how to solve them? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by SapeleGuy: 8:16pm On May 23, 2009 |
Be careful 4 Play, you are asking reasonable questions and getting close to the truth, these are grounds to be labelled a 'tribalist' AHF - Why can't we develop other revenue streams, is it fear of hardwork? |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by 4Play(m): 8:36pm On May 23, 2009 |
ahf: It's a red herring. If we recognise in principle that oil proceeds should not be transferred out of the source regions, the Federal Govt(Mother of all Misnomers) should commit itself to spending the bulk of the proceeds within the Niger-Delta region, thereby, bypassing the State Govts. This excuse of corrupt Niger-Delta Governors is nauseating. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by naijaking1: 8:37pm On May 23, 2009 |
ahf: Natural justice dictates that no derivation formula would adequately compensate a man for loosing his ancestral lands to oil. In other developed countries with oil, eg Texas, the government would never take over somebody's land just because oil was found there. So, why do it in Nigeria  It's done in Nigeria, because the land use act was a war booty meant to reward Hausa people for winning the civil war. The irony remains that the Hausa won the war with the help of Ijaws and other riverine tribes who would rather deal with the Hausaman than their much hated Igbo neighbors. While many Igbos rightly say the Ijaws and the others deserve whatever the Hausa man is dishing them today, the natural injustice still cry out for attention. In the 1960s, Wole Soyinka and a few others spoke out against the injustice against Biafrans, today, they also speak out against the injustice of this derivation formula, and denial of access to people of niger delta whose land contain oil. I join Soyinka in voicing my opinion against this natural injustice, not because some niger deltans deserve justice, but because it's right  |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by biina: 8:39pm On May 23, 2009 |
There is nothing wrong with the land use act, which essentially allocates the supreme land rights to the federal government, as it is in almost every country. The alternative is to have the federal government being subject to the state, a recipe for chaos and disintegration. As long as the ND is part of Nigeria, they would have to haggle and debate for proceeds from oil or any other income to the federation. This is applicable to every part of Nigeria. A region should not be allowed to pursue its own selfish interests without the consent of the majority of the nation. Those that feel the average northerner is spending the oil revenue have never been to the north. One cannot say which is in a worse state of development, the north or the ND. The question of getting a fair share should be determined by the legislature. We are no longer under military rule, and the reps from the ND are free to make their case. They should be prepared to provide a justification for needing more funds, given that their is no evident improvement since the last increase. The problem has always been corrupt leaders, and misguided masses. The problem will persist until ND is ready to hold to account, people trusted with responsibility. |
| Re: War In Niger Delta: Mend Threatens Northerners In Oil Industry by 4Play(m): 8:48pm On May 23, 2009 |
biina: That is why major conflict looms, because of such moronic thinking. When revenues wasn't slanted inordinately from Niger-Delta oil, the regions were keeping the bulk of their proceeds. Once the oil boom took off, mirabile dictu, it becomes ''selfish'' to keep the bulk. In reality, it's moronic to think we can maintain this parasitic arrangement for long. You simply cannot have the rest of the country bilking one region. |
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