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Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Ahmeduana(m): 12:19pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
madridguy:DID YOU KNOW THAT DANGOTE IS AMONG THOSE HOSTAGES? |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by doctorbabs(m): 12:19pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Every time Islam terrorist, when are we have to have Christian Terrorist? because all bad things has been ascribe to Islam. may the wrath of Almighty Allah be upon terrorist, hypocrites and their cohort. Those behind soiling of Islam will never know peacw |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by doctorbabs(m): 12:22pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Every time Islam terrorist, when are we going to have Christian Terrorist? because all bad things has been ascribe to Islam. may the wrath of Almighty Allah be upon terrorist, hypocrites and their cohort. Those behind soiling of Islam will never know peace. |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by MacKennie(m): 12:23pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
doctorbabs: Sorry to say, but don't be a hypocrite https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by victorazy(m): 12:27pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
madridguy: all terrorists are muslims |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Vikky014(f): 12:38pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
sameer1212:there r killing infidels according to ur QUARAN. SO BE HAPPY 1 Like |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by MacKennie(m): 12:40pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Vikky014: Proof? |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Vikky014(f): 12:40pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Ahmeduana: sameer1212:there r killing infidels according to ur QUARAN. SO BE HAPPY . EHEN IS DANGOTE NOT SPONSORING JIHAD TELL ME SMETIN |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by smogup: 12:50pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie:. go and read ur kuran very well. he did much more by instructing his followers to do same..... |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by smogup: 12:57pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie:. The Quran: Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az- Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong- doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief. Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things." Quran (2:216) - " Fighting is prescribed for you , and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self- defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah'). Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers. Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…" Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks." Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense? Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement" Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle. Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end." Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah" , meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals." Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember." Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land... " Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy." Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..." Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat ) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert. Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims. Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war. Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two- thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths. Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell. Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42 ) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians). Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith. Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper." Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain : a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer? Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness." Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam). Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring 1 Like |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by erusen: 1:02pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Richie0974:bros use sense now |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by erusen: 1:04pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
DrDauda:you too dull |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by obynaDmob(m): 1:18pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
DrDauda: Very big failure for being the president of mali and d owner of the hotel! Big failure |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by GlassDoc: 1:20pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Yes Jihadists r trained to fight holy wars. But wen there is no war to be fought, they have to create d war so they can test run their acquired skills. Why is islam regarded as religion of peace? I suppose to hide the truth? Islamic terrorist every where. God help us 1 Like |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by erusen: 1:22pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie:i read that but islam has more terrorist and thn attack in central africa na lie.i dont blame islam for terrorism the people that do are fools though am a christain 1 Like |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Ephemmm: 1:28pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
DrDauda: You see! TANoid will always prefer rushing to insult PMB on a thread than reading to understand. I wonder how Mali has now Nigeria in your primitive mind devoid of lack of deeper mental horizon. |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Nobody: 1:32pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
No group is yet to claim responsibility of this thing but it should be ISIS. There's something France is doing to these guys and its hitting them hard and bad hence the continuous attacks on them. Most of the hostages are french. France also colonised these guys. There's something we are yet to know |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by gcof(m): 1:40pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
wissenschaften:hahahahaha...people sef.maybe he think mali is in Nigeria |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Nobody: 1:42pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
hafees: 1: Agitate for Top Muslim Clerics and Institutions to consider collaboration with the rest of other Religious groups in this unique and dire circumstance. the actions of small extremist groups and their significantly negative impact on both Muslims and non-muslims is no longer a dirty linen to be washed indoors. 2: We must demonstrate that we (both Muslims and Non-Muslims) are ready to proffer home-grown solutions to the problem rather than react with attacks, propaganda and ill-planned intelligence activities. To this end we must engage our neighbours suffering the same plight all over Africa for support and sharing of critical information to Security Agencies no matter how insignificant. MORE IS BETTER 3: It is obvious that Separating Religion from State in Africa is often a difficult and challenging initiative since we all know that it is a Political Weapon when you need things to go your way in terms of Elections, Budgeting, Policies and other critical areas of Governance. WE NEED TO SEPARATE GOD FROM STATE so we can make decisions that are not hampered by Religious injunctions 4: If only as a temporary measure, we must dissuade Politicians from using Islam to forge unusual Political gains by forcing issues such as wearing the hijab, burqa, chador, boushiya, or niqab (who selfishly and thoughtlessly) make it mandatory in schools, work places or public. Keeping these edicts has not solved the Terrorism Problem rather it has only allowed the Terrorist to use them as tools for expanding their attacks effectively. e.g they know that the State has fears of reprisals, public crisis and potentially explosive riots when the issue of ISLAM comes to national discuss.. Terrorists exploit that fear to maximize their attacks. It has even begun to affect Muslims who are affected... they keep quiet and only respond with verbal condemnation.. this is a very weak confirmatory response that nothing is going to be done about it. We need to stop spreading the hatred and ideology that Islam is Evil.. Evil people practice Islam in Evil ways 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Profoba40(m): 2:07pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
DrDauda:clueless individual. From the look of things, you are more confused than you seem |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by ComrdDRS: 2:17pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Shame on Islam my friend rileyy: |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by HaneefahRN(f): 2:17pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
emmalexabl:The crusaders that claimed to have been fighting for Christendom, were they Christians or not? Anyone can claim to be a part of a particular religion, that doesn't make what they are doing acceptable in the religion. These terrorists may bear Muslim names, shout Allah Akbar, but they are committing grievous sin and their actions are against Islam |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by emmalexabl(m): 2:34pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
HaneefahRN: When sizeable population of this religious sect are extremists and terrorists.., wont you agree with me that there is something seriously wrong with islamic doctrine.. |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by HaneefahRN(f): 2:59pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
emmalexabl:what wld u describe as sizeable population? As far as I knw these terrorists are a minority sect but with profound effects becos of the havoc they cause to life. I'm sure u av met many Muslims how many of them are terrorists and how many of them av u met who support these psychos? There is nothing wrong with the Islamic doctrine, the only thing wrong is the evil in the mind of these pple, their disregard for life and whatever agendas they av beneath the religious cover they are using. And av u ever wondered who the sponsors of these pple are, the pple protecting them, the pple supplying them with top class ammunitions and weapons they use. France only deemed it fit to attack the ISIS camp after lots of lives av been lost, if they knew where these pple are hiding, why wait till they strike b4 exterminating them? Will the West with their acclaimed intelligence tell us they don't know what is going on and the pple behind all these attacks? There are a lot of things we don't know. Fighting these terrorists shld be a collective effort of all right thinking individuals, no matter the religion, cos blive it or not this pple are killing Muslims too. Rather than brewing hatred and stereotypes against Muslims, the whole world shld come together to fight these deluded animals. Many Muslims lose their lives cos of the propagation of evil stereotypes, some teenagers were killed back then by their peers just cos they are Muslims. Their was a thread I saw on NL abt a pregnant woman tht was beaten up and lost her preg by some guys in Paris just cos she is a Muslim, yet some of us still justified this evil act by saying she deserved it since some 'Muslims' were killing pple abt. There are certainly many animals in human skin, no matter the religion 2 Likes |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Aarenasbaba(m): 3:04pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Lahaola walakuwata ilabilahi aliyu li- azeem |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by Nobody: 3:08pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
HaneefahRN: are you saying that the majority canno thave a profound effect too if so we are doomed |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by PurestBoy(m): 3:26pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
Its high time I got myself a pocket-friendly koran incase I find myself in the midst of some allahu akbarists |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by phiszo(m): 3:57pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie:
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Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by ValerianSteel(m): 4:00pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
hafees:Mr educated mind,am sure your PHd in Islamic studies makes me more educated than I am. |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by limamintruth: 4:26pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie: And you stu.pidly think your islam only began breeding terrorists yesterday right? Islamic terrorism has been active both in the ancient past (right from the time of your beloved prophet) to today. And here is just one example of islam's terrorism as at the early 20th century (1900s). The Armenian genocide perpetrated by muslim turks (courtesy of the Ottoman conquest) where more than 2million armenian christians were massacred and their whole land seized (which is present-day Turkey). {Ensure you carefully read through Mr. Islamist } http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/armenian_genocide.htm hafees: Islam is synonymous wit terrorism; deal with it! |
Re: 170 People Hostage In Mali, At Radisson Blu Hotel by sanerugwei: 4:34pm On Nov 20, 2015 |
MacKennie: This fella here is a troll and should not be taken serious at all. You are comparing rampaging demonic marauders with an unquenchable thirst for blood of so called infidels with Chelsea of EPL. It is a joke to you, while innocent lives are being lost to these lowlifes who are following the exact footsteps of that religions founders. Go and read about the spread of your so called religion how the founders went on rampage raping killing and maiming hapless souls they called infidels right from the 7th century. Rather than condemning these violent acts you are trying hard to draw a comparison with Christianity, add other religions too. Sick minds.. in case you do not know the Christian crusades in the middle ages were in response and attempt to stop the islamists from overrunning Europe and world civilizations. Go and read about the life and times of the founders of this religion, the jihad escapades and the violent end or waterloo the early practitioners met. It did not start today, but by God's grace will surely come to pass and end sooner. the children of Light shall triumph over darkness. Say Amen... |
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