NairaMinted:
I can't help but think that perhaps if Uncle Sam wasn't on Turkey's side and protecting her, Uncle Sam would have used its formidable international clout and surveillance network to release the accounts through which these sales are laundered.

Unfortunately this won't happen.


I'm back guys! And back in full force cos Oga Putin was worried I wasn't meeting my propaganda quota.

ValerianSteel:
Oh God,just stop it.

Assad turned his country into rubles,cause the Syrian civil war started in 2011,while ISIL became fully operational in 2014,though they emerged in 2013.

ISIS is just an excuse to keep Assad in power,cause his country was already torn apart prior to ISIS activities.

You keep accusing Turkey of this and that,yet there's no substantial evidence to point accusing fingers.Mind you I've never called Turkey a saint in the war against ISIS,I wouldn't call Russia a savior either,am just saying let there be evidence that clearly shows that Turkey is in bed with ISIS and other terrorist element.

As you said yourself :It has more to do with a whole lot of concentrated governmental administrative machinery.

And I add- not limited to Turkey alone,but cut across those claiming to be fighting ISIS as well.

Appleyard:
Thank you. But it seem you are still understanding this whole terrorism setup. The foundation for the emergence of IS terrorism was laid as far back as in 2003, following the planned invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan for no sin of theirs, which was only a taste of what is to come; for most of the now jobless Iraqi soldiers together with dissindents created by the wars in the region, became a time bome only waiting to be employed. The Arab Spring, which was just another ''colour coded revolution'' in ''democratic cloak'', emerged in 2010-2012, successfully removing and destroying long established and firmly rooted though dictatorial but stabled regimes that would have been an obstacle to any emergence of a centralize and territorially strong terrorists organisations like ISIS. Thus, with such regimes taken out of the equation, the destablization and violence that followed in it's wake, coupled with the already available waiting hands and mayhem created in the aftermath of the Iraqi and Afghan ruse wars, the current child of global terrorism calleo ISIS was born - the topling and destruction of Libya being the icing on the cake. This whole thing was pre-planned and completely interwoven with the current reality of events. See the confession of formal US five-star General and supreme allied NATO commander, Gen. Wesley Clark, here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166


and you would understand that Assad never destroyed his own country.

ISIS was a means to an end, and Syria is currently the major stumbling block to a realisation of a part of that goal, having resolved to fight for its destiney.
Don't be fooled. There is nothing like moderate rebels. They are the same terrorist acronymized tools employed by the CIA to pave the way for the necessary funds to topple yet another Washington led Anglo Neo con disliked regime.


[b]As for Turkey, what else do you need to accept the obvious? Even the US can't hide it any more, though it doesn't formally accept that fact, which is expected. It has said Turkey's efforts has not been directed against IS, and the need to close the border. Top politicians in both US law making chambers are going on air indicting Turkey for same thing, including formal army and intelligence officers - all chorusing the same mantra in the States. So, this people have no evidence, they just speak base on assumptions, or what? Turkish forces has been filmed fraternizing with ISIS accross the border, some Turkish generals have been jailed for daring to intercept shipments of militants and armoury to Erdogan's goals in Syria; journalists are not spared either: one have been killed, and two others imprisoned for the same thing. Some opposition leaders who claimed to have damning evidence regarding Erdogan's family dealings with IS oil, are suddenly fallen down dead. The testimony of the wahabi nurse working in a covert hospital run by Erdogan's daughter, caring for IS wounded men, is no longer news, and has even been reported by the most critic and anti-Russian western medias like the dailymail and co.
It is no secret that ISIS oil goes to Turkey enmass. Now, lets use basic common sense here: if hundreds of IS truck load of crude oil are crossing the border into Turkey, which claimed to have about 50,000 troops stationed there, doesnt that tells you they are complicit? Or should we say those long convoys of tankers have some ''invisible cloak'' that makes them undetected while crossing the Syrian-Turkish border, which is the only possible route they can use from the northern part of the territory they control, eh?
Their underground tunnel has been bombed by the Russians, and the only other possible way to move its oil from Syria, is through Turkey, and this can never be possible without the full complicity of the Turkish army, which in turn, entails a wide range of administrative machinery as grandeur of government involvement. The whole world knew IS oil goes to Turkey, and tankers load of oil is not a gun you can hide under the ampit.[/b]

NairaMinted:
I can't help but think that perhaps if Uncle Sam wasn't on Turkey's side and protecting her, Uncle Sam would have used its formidable international clout and surveillance network to release the accounts through which these sales are laundered.

Unfortunately this won't happen.


I'm back guys! And back in full force cos Oga Putin was worried I wasn't meeting my propaganda quota.

seagulsntrawler:

well done for lecturing those western apologists. No objective and rational mind would fall for the lies and misinformation of the main stream media controlled by the US and her allies.
One even believed that Assad created ISIS.
Keep up the good work bro. More grease to your elbow.

Appleyard:
Thank you. But it seem you are still understanding this whole terrorism setup. The foundation for the emergence of IS terrorism was laid as far back as in 2003, following the planned invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan for no sin of theirs, which was only a taste of what is to come; for most of the now jobless Iraqi soldiers together with dissindents created by the wars in the region, became a time bome only waiting to be employed. The Arab Spring, which was just another ''colour coded revolution'' in ''democratic cloak'', emerged in 2010-2012, successfully removing and destroying long established and firmly rooted though dictatorial but stabled regimes that would have been an obstacle to any emergence of a centralize and territorially strong terrorists organisations like ISIS. Thus, with such regimes taken out of the equation, the destablization and violence that followed in it's wake, coupled with the already available waiting hands and mayhem created in the aftermath of the Iraqi and Afghan ruse wars, the current child of global terrorism calleo ISIS was born - the topling and destruction of Libya being the icing on the cake. This whole thing was pre-planned and completely interwoven with the current reality of events. See the confession of formal US five-star General and supreme allied NATO commander, Gen. Wesley Clark, here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/we-re-going-to-take-out-7-countries-in-5-years-iraq-syria-lebanon-libya-somalia-sudan-iran/5166


and you would understand that Assad never destroyed his own country.

ISIS was a means to an end, and Syria is currently the major stumbling block to a realisation of a part of that goal, having resolved to fight for its destiney.
Don't be fooled. There is nothing like moderate rebels. They are the same terrorist acronymized tools employed by the CIA to pave the way for the necessary funds to topple yet another Washington led Anglo Neo con disliked regime.


As for Turkey, what else do you need to accept the obvious? Even the US can't hide it any more, though it doesn't formally accept that fact, which is expected. It has said Turkey's efforts has not been directed against IS, and the need to close the border. Top politicians in both US law making chambers are going on air indicting Turkey for same thing, including formal army and intelligence officers - all chorusing the same mantra in the States. So, this people have no evidence, they just speak base on assumptions, or what? Turkish forces has been filmed fraternizing with ISIS accross the border, some Turkish generals have been jailed for daring to intercept shipments of militants and armoury to Erdogan's goals in Syria; journalists are not spared either: one have been killed, and two others imprisoned for the same thing. Some opposition leaders who claimed to have damning evidence regarding Erdogan's family dealings with IS oil, are suddenly fallen down dead. The testimony of the wahabi nurse working in a covert hospital run by Erdogan's daughter, caring for IS wounded men, is no longer news, and has even been reported by the most critic and anti-Russian western medias like the dailymail and co.
It is no secret that ISIS oil goes to Turkey enmass. Now, lets use basic common sense here: if hundreds of IS truck load of crude oil are crossing the border into Turkey, which claimed to have about 50,000 troops stationed there, doesnt that tells you they are complicit? Or should we say those long convoys of tankers have some ''invisible cloak'' that makes them undetected while crossing the Syrian-Turkish border, which is the only possible route they can use from the northern part of the territory they control, eh?
Their underground tunnel has been bombed by the Russians, and the only other possible way to move its oil from Syria, is through Turkey, and this can never be possible without the full complicity of the Turkish army, which in turn, entails a wide range of administrative machinery as grandeur of government involvement. The whole world knew IS oil goes to Turkey, and tankers load of oil is not a gun you can hide under the ampit.

ValerianSteel:
I've addressed and redressed a large part of your post recently,I wouldn't stress,my reply wouldn't do justice to an already conceived notion by you though I concur to some parts of this post,just not all.

We'll keep observing Turkey and I await Russia to present the world with a very viable evidence of the IS oil deals naming every single party involved and putting a stop to the incessant attacks on Turkey through the media,if Turkey is not the only one involved,name all the demons involved and stop making Turkey look like the devil,if clearly it is not the only party involved.