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why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:53am On Dec 07, 2015 |
[b]The common assumption that science contradicts religion can be illustrated either from your own personal experience, if this is relevant, or by quoting the words of atheistic scientists, philosophers or journalists. Richard Dawkins, for example, has described the idea of God as “a very naïve, childish concept”, and similar comments have been made by many other Darwinian scientists. Harvard geneticist, Richard Lewontin, for instance, stated in a 1997 book review: “The problem is to get [people] to reject irrational and supernatural explanations of the world, the demons that exist only in their imaginations, and to accept a social and intellectual apparatus, Science, as the only begetter of truth.” Another typical comment is that of Eugenie Scott, of the American National Centre for Science Education, who observed in 1994: “You can’t put an omnipotent deity in a test tube.” Such quotes drive home the charge that science is the only path to objective truth and is therefore in moralict with the subjective feelings and irrational dogmas supposedly characteristic of Christianity. (1) If science contradicts religion, how do atheists explain the fact that most of the great scientists of the past believed in God and took the Bible seriously? The Institute of Creation Research (USA), for example, lists 31 such scientists together with the scientific disciplines they helped to establish. They include Kepler (astronomy), Pascal (hydrostatics), Boyle (chemistry), Newton (calculus), Linnaeus (systematic biology), Faraday (electromagnetics), Cuvier (comparative anatomy), Kelvin (thermodynamics), Lister (antiseptic surgery), Mendel (genetics), and many other equally famous names. (2) If religion is an obstacle to science, how do atheists get round the fact that empirical science first arose in Christian Europe, three centuries before the rise of Darwinism? It did so precisely because of the almost universal belief in a Creator God. This gave the founders of modern science the confidence they needed that the natural world was orderly and therefore capable of systematic investigation. They expected to find ‘law’ in Nature because they believed in a Lawgiver. Or, to use another analogy, they assumed that the ‘Book of Nature’ had a readable ‘text’ because Nature had an Author. (3) Why did the ‘founding fathers’ of modern science believe in God? For one very simple reason: the natural world bears all the hallmarks of intelligent design. To take only a few examples: hands seem designed for grasping objects and making tools; the human body is equipped with an immune system for combating disease; birds have an instinct to build nests for their young and escape winter through migration; eyes and ears have the precise structures required for seeing and hearing; living creatures have the digestive systems they need to process the particular foods their bodies depend on; sexual organs seem designed for reproduction. Is this not powerful evidence for the existence of an Intelligent Designer who created the universe and is the Author of life? That has certainly been the view of most of the great philosophers and thinkers of the past, like Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Cicero, Aquinas, Bacon, Newton, etc. Even famous sceptics like David Hume (18th century) and John Stuart Mill (19th century) recognised the credibility of the ‘design’ argument (or ‘teleological proof’) for God’s existence – as did Immanuel Kant (18th century), despite his rejection of all the traditional arguments for God’s existence except the moral[/b] |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:58am On Dec 07, 2015 |
(4) Atheists commonly reject the design
argument for God’s existence because of
the problem of evil, arguing that a world
marred by death, disease, cruelty and
suffering cannot be the creation of an
infinitely good and powerful Being. This
objection, however, though emotionally
powerful, is not a logical one because the
reality of evil does not cancel out the
extensive evidence of intelligent and
benevolent design in Nature. To use two
analogies: the existence of badly
constructed buildings in one particular
area does not disprove the existence of
competent architects elsewhere, anymore
than the existence of hatred within some
families disproves the reality of human
love in others. What the problem of evil
does is to raise challenging questions such
as: why does God allow it? What is its
origin? What, if anything, has God done
about it? It does not obliterate the many
traces of His goodness and creativity in
the world around us. Furthermore, part of
the evidence for God’s existence and
goodness is that very moral standard
which enables us to detect evil and
complain about it! Atheism, by contrast,
cannot make sense of the problem of evil
because it cannot explain how we can
attach any objective significance to our
thoughts and values if we are merely
accidental by-products of an ultimately
random and purposeless universe. (5) The advance of science over the last half-century has revealed powerful new evidence that life and the universe are the product of intelligent design, especially in the fields of astrophysics and microbiology. At the cosmological level, it has become increasingly apparent that the physical laws and parameters governing our universe (e.g. the force of gravity, the energy density of empty space, the difference in mass between neutrons and protons, etc.) are so exquisitely fine-tuned to permit the emergence of life, that even the tiniest alteration in any of these laws and parameters would have catastrophic consequences. Astrophysicist, Dr Hugh Ross, for instance, has identified 148 astrophysical parameters that must be ‘just so’ for a planet to exist that can support human life, yet the odds against this happening by chance are, he calculates, many times greater than the total number of stars in the entire universe! Given such facts, even so great an astronomer and former atheist as Fred Hoyle, has written: “I do not believe that any scientists who examined the evidence would fail to draw the inference that the laws of nuclear physics have been deliberately designed with regard to the consequences they produce inside stars.” That and other such observations from Hoyle have prompted Harvard astronomy professor, Owen Gingerich, to comment: “Fred Hoyle and I differ on lots of questions, but on this we agree: a common sense and satisfying interpretation of our world suggests the designing hand of a super-intelligence.” Or to put it even more plainly, consider the verdict of Robin Collins, an American scientist with three degrees and two doctorates in mathematics, physics, and philosophy: “The extraordinary fine-tuning of the laws and constants of nature, their beauty, their discoverability, their intelligibility – all of this combines to make the God hypothesis the most reasonable choice we have. All other theories fall short.” |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 12:01pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
[b] (6) The realms of microbiology and
biochemistry provide equally compelling
evidence that life in all its forms is the
product of intelligent design rather than
unguided natural forces. For example,
how do atheists explain the origin and
existence of complex biological
information systems like DNA, whose
chemical structure within every human
cell contains the coded instructions for
creating the proteins out of which our
bodies are built? Each one of the thirty
thousand genes embedded in our twenty-
three pairs of chromosomes can yield as
many as 20,500 different kinds of
proteins! Is it likely that this extraordinary
biological ‘software’ arose by chance? To
quote science writer, George Sim
Johnson’s article, ‘Did Darwin Get It
Right?’ ( Wall Street Journal , 15/10/99):
“Human DNA contains more organized
information than the Encyclopaedia
Britannica. If the full text of the
encyclopaedia were to arrive in computer
code from outer space, most people
would regard this as proof of the
existence of extraterrestrial intelligence.
But when seen in nature, it is explained
as the workings of random forces.” And if
this astounding fact were not sufficient in
itself to indicate the presence of
intelligent design in Nature, Australian
geneticist, Michael Denton, points out that
the biological information needed to build
the proteins for all the species of
organisms that have ever lived - a
number estimated to be approximately
one thousand million – “could be held in a
teaspoon and there would still be room
left for all the information in every book
ever written.”
Illustra Media’s documentary video,
Unlocking the Mystery of Life, shows how
DNA serves as the information storehouse
for a finely choreographed manufacturing
process by which the right amino acids
are linked together with the right bonds in
the right sequence to produce the right
kind of proteins that fold in the right way
to build biological systems. Detailed study
of this “absolutely mind-boggling”
procedure helped to convince Dean
Kenyon, America’s leading chemical
evolutionist, that unguided naturalistic
processes could not explain the origin of
life, as he had once believed. On the
contrary, he argues: “This new realm of
molecular genetics [is] where we see the
most compelling evidence of design on
the Earth.” (7) Atheism is not only challenged by the cumulative evidence for intelligent design uncovered by the progress of science; it cannot even answer the most fundamental of all questions: why does anything exist in the first place? Is the universe self-sufficient and self- explanatory or does it require an intelligent cause? The cosmological argument for God’s existence addresses this vital question, and is based on the premise that something cannot come from nothing – a self-evident truth supported by logic and experience. To state the obvious: the absence of something not only cannot at the same time account for its presence; it is also a principle whose truthfulness is constantly confirmed in our daily lives. We never see meals appearing from nowhere, symphonies composing themselves, or babies materialising out of thin air. This means that for anything to exist, it must either be self-sufficient and therefore have always existed (i.e. be self-existent); or it must be the product or effect of something else that is self-existent. Furthermore, the concept of self- sufficiency implies that the self-existent Being supporting the existence of all other beings, must necessarily be an unchanging Being. It must be in full and constant possession of all its properties and attributes, because it cannot call into existence a quality, characteristic, or power, it does not already possess. In other words, we cannot explain the mystery of existence without acknowledging the ultimate necessity of grounding it in a self-sufficient Being whose own existence is necessary, unchanging, and therefore eternal. Given these self-evident truths, does our knowledge of the universe suggest that it is self-existent? Obviously not, since all organic life has a beginning and an end (animals and humans are born, live, decay and die) and inorganic structures and processes are subject to constant alteration and change. Even if the universe had no beginning but is instead the product of the continuous creation of matter, it still lacks that attribute of self- sufficiency which is the essence of self- existence, since the question that still arises is ‘what accounts for the creation or appearance of matter?’ Where does the ‘stuff’ of the universe continually come from? Why does change occur at all? Who or what brings it about? If, on the other hand, the majority of scientists are right in their belief that space, time, and the universe suddenly sprang into existence through some ‘Big Bang’ cosmological explosion, its lack of self-sufficiency and its inability to account for itself is even more apparent! Either way, the evidence points in the same direction: the universe has an eternal self-existent Creator. If, then, God is real, what can the cosmological argument tell us about His attributes and character? A great deal. All we have to do, as St. Paul reminds us in Romans 1:19-20 , is look at His creation – at all that He has made. This tells us, first of all, that since the universe and all it contains is unimaginably vast and powerful in terms of its mass, extent, and energy, its Creator must be supremely powerful. Secondly, since the universe contains living, intelligent, and personal beings, and many other hallmarks of design, its Creator must be living, intelligent, and personal. Thirdly, since human beings possess moral awareness and feel guilty when they do wrong, their Creator must be Goodness personified, or ‘holy’, to use the language of the Bible. Finally, since the distance between non- existence and existence is an infinite one, a God who can create an entire universe out of nothing must be all-knowing and all-powerful . At the very least, God must be a Being to whose knowledge and power we can set no limits.[/b] |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 12:10pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
[b](8 ) The logical and scientific data pointing to God’s existence is so overwhelming, that an increasing number of scientists are publicly acknowledging the metaphysical implications of both the ‘Big Bang’ and the ‘fine-tuning’ characteristics of the universe. Here below is a sample of their views, beginning with one great name from the past: Albert Einstein (Nobel Prize 1921): “Everyone who is seriously involved in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe – a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.” Paul Davies (former professor of theoretical physics at the University of Adelaide): “Through my scientific work I have come to believe more and more strongly that the physical universe is put together with an ingenuity so astonishing that I cannot accept it merely as a brute fact. I cannot believe that our existence in this universe is a mere quirk of fate, an accident of history, an incidental blip in the great cosmic drama.” Sir Fred Hoyle: “A commonsense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in Nature.” Allan Rex Sandage (famous astronomer, dubbed the 'Grand Old Man of Cosmology' by the New York Times, and a former atheist): “It was my science that drove me to the conclusion that the world is much more complicated than can be explained by science. It was only through the supernatural that I could understand the mystery of existence.” Dr Arno Penzias(Nobel Prize-winning astrophysicist): “I invite you to examine the snapshot provided by half a century’s worth of astrophysical data and see what the pieces of the universe actually look like…In order to achieve consistency with our observations we must…assume not only creation of matter and energy out of nothing, but creation of space and time as well. The best data we have are exactly what I would have predicted had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the Bible as a whole.” Professor Vera Kistiakowski (professor of physics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and former president of the Association of Women in Science): “The exquisite order displayed by our scientific understanding of the physical world calls for the divine.” Dr Stephen Meyer (a geophysicist with a Cambridge doctorate in origin-of-life biology): “If it’s true there’s a beginning to the universe, as modern cosmologists now agree, then this implies a cause that transcends the universe. If the laws of physics are fine-tuned to permit life, as contemporary physicists are discovering, then perhaps there’s a designer who fine- tuned them. If there’s information in the cell, as molecular biology shows, then this suggests intelligent design. To get life going in the first place would have required biological information; the implications point beyond the material realm to a prior intelligent cause.”[/b] |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by pet4ril(f): 12:15pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
Though too long, science believes every natural phenomenon has a natural cause....... |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 12:17pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
pet4ril:hi, i am also a scientist, bt am a strong Christian some of us get it wrong |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by pet4ril(f): 12:24pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
LORDDICE:ok ooooo |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 12:30pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
pet4ril:I don't have time to present all d arguments sef |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by donnffd(m): 9:10pm On Dec 07, 2015 |
I believe your post was why does science refutes religion,not why does science refutes God...science can't refute God anymore than science can refute fairies and spaghetti monsters... On the other hand, all claims made by religions have been proven false by science, the world was not created in six days, living organisms ddnt just appear on earth...science has explanation for how we got here and it is backed up by evidence and facts,something religions don't have... LORDDICE: Your post is too long,try summarizing ur points, but I would say that science still has room for a God,but its really really unlikely, you know why, the universe is for free, if you summed up the energy content in the universe,you get zero, that means your God wouldn't have done much at the big bang, then as for ur finely tuned universe, vast majority of space would kill you in an instant, even on earth, tsunami, earthquake, e.t.c...so much for intelligent design 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 6:54am On Dec 08, 2015 |
donnffd: and u must be 1 of those Darwinian scientists.... talking about life. have u taking time to read about d fossils? lemme just tell u in case u haven't read. the fossils hive no explanation for the intermediate life forms....... etc |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by donnffd(m): 6:23am On Dec 09, 2015 |
LORDDICE: 99.9% of sciencists believe evolution as a fact, the evidence for it is so overwhelming, DNA,embryology, anatomy,to name a few...you are just in denial,but for d sake of argument, let's imagine it's wrong,is d bible correct?...the bible chronology suggests that the earth is between 6 to 10 thousand years,I hope for your sake you don't believe that cos if you do,I really question your credibility as a scientist...the earth is 4.5 billion years n d universe is 13.8 billion years, there is tons of evidence supporting the claim...the bible doesn't even come close...so you see,eeven if evolution is wrong which it most certainly isn't, the bible isn't an alternative 3 Likes |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by Toyolad(m): 7:44am On Dec 09, 2015 |
donnffd: Pls can someone prove that there are changes in kind and not just changes in form in evolution. I'm confused and willing to learn. |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by davien(m): 8:19am On Dec 09, 2015 |
Toyolad:Are you referring to "kinds" as a classification scheme? |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by Toyolad(m): 8:40am On Dec 09, 2015 |
davien:Kind as in from one class of animal to another. Evolutionism tells us that animals evolved and still do evolve from being one kind of animal to another kind just like the explanation given for the evolution of apes to man.. My confusion now is that, I've not seen any proof that backs up the claim that there is in fact change in KIND,admittedly there are changes in FORM of animals ranging from the development of adaptive features to change in physical and genetic make-up et al....I've not seen d proof of a fish that evolved in the past to become a reptilia animal and but I've seen d proof of a fish that developed adaptive features...get my d subject of my confusion. |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by davien(m): 9:38am On Dec 09, 2015 |
Toyolad:Are you talking about evolution in science or the straw-man term called evolutionism invented by creationist? I'll try to explain your shortcomings this way... humans are apes, apes are mammals, mammals are chordates, chordates have red blood cells, red blood cells are eukaryotic... so on and so forth.. The trend you see is that the ancestral organism and the following progeny would still fall under the same category,if enough changes accumulate or a bottleneck situation is encountered it can serve as a driving point for entirely new species... These new species would still inherit critical remnants of their ancestors,an example is the plethora of ancient ape DNA we have and how the 2nd chromosomes in humans was a fusion site of two ape chromosomes.. 1 Like |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by cloudgoddess(f): 9:49am On Dec 09, 2015 |
davien: good thing you mentioned this, because there is a huge difference. evolution will clearly show you how different lineages of species diverged from common ancestors. creationist attempts at "evolution" will tell you that evolution means bananas turning into fish here is a good, simplified introductory video on actual evolution, and not the BS touted by ignorant creationists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU 2 Likes |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:35am On Dec 09, 2015 |
cloudgoddess: i thought d few well explained points I earlier stated will give some atheists a re think, bt dey wanna drag.... now let me dissect Darwinism |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:36am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(9) Atheists commonly argue that
Darwinian evolution provides an adequate
explanation of the appearance of design
in Nature, without needing to invoke God
as its intelligent cause. The action of
natural selection on random genetic
mutations supposedly provides a
designer-substitute mechanism by which
unguided natural forces bring about
complex biological change. As a result, it
is not only possible that all living
creatures evolved from the same simple
ancestral organisms, but – Darwinists
insist – evolution is a fact in that it has
actually taken place, and only religious
fundamentalists deny this. These claims
do not stand up to critical examination for
the following reasons:
now, I will dissect Darwinism |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:39am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(a) While no-one denies the reality of
‘micro-evolution’ (i.e. limited variation
within species in response to
environmental changes or selective
breeding programmes), a growing number
of scientists totally reject ‘macro-evolution’
– or, to put it in colloquial terms, large-
scale ‘particles to people’ evolution. On
October 1st 2001, for example, a hundred
scientists published a two-page
advertisement in the American magazine,
The Weekly Standard, headed “A Scientific
Dissent From Darwinism”. In this
statement they declared: “We are
sceptical of claims for the ability of
random mutation and natural selection to
account for the complexity of life. Careful
examination of the evidence for Darwinian
theory should be encouraged.” This list
now includes over 800 anti-Darwinian
scientists included biologists, chemists,
zoologists, physicists, anthropologists,
geologists, astrophysicists, and others,
with doctorates from such prestigious
universities as Cambridge, Stanford,
Cornell, Yale, Princeton, Rutgers, Chicago,
Berkeley, and other elite institutions. It
also includes Nobel nominee, Henry F.
Schaefer, a world-class chemist, and
scientists from the Los Alamos National
Laboratory and the National Museum of
Natural History at the Smithsonian
Institute.
Nor is this list of scientific critics of
Darwinism an exhaustive one. Over 1,000
scientists with post-graduate degrees have
belonged to the Creation Research Society
(USA) since its establishment in 1963, and
by 1993, to take another example, the
South Korean Association of Creation
Research also had a membership of over
1,000 scientists, the majority with at least
a Master’s degree or doctorate, and
including 100 full-ranking university
professors. There are many other openly-
avowed creationist scientists in other parts
of the world, particularly in Australia, as
well as scientific critics of Darwinism who
keep quiet about their dissident views for
fear of blighting their professional careers.
As American cosmologist, Allex Sandage
put it in July 1998: “…there is a reluctance
to reveal yourself as a believer, the
opprobrium is so severe.” |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:40am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(b) Darwinian evolution cannot even get
off the ground as a non-theistic
explanation of life because it cannot
account for the existence of our ‘finely-
tuned’ universe. It cannot answer the
question addressed so convincingly by the
cosmological argument for a Creator: why
does anything exist at all if something
cannot come from nothing? |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:42am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(c) Darwinian evolution cannot explain the
origin and existence of the incredibly
complex biological information systems
required for the construction of even the
simplest living cells. Its designer-
substitute mechanism of natural selection
and random mutations cannot therefore
effect biological change on its own. Living
organisms must first exist before they can
‘evolve’ in response to environmental
change! To quote Fred Hoyle: “Imagine a
blindfolded person trying to solve the
Rubik Cube. The chances against achieving
perfect colour matching is about
50,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1. These
odds are roughly the same as those
against just one of our body’s 200,000
proteins having evolved randomly by
chance.” (from his book, The Intelligent
Universe, Michael Joseph, London, 1983).
Equally devastating is the admission of
the Nobel Prize-winning atheist scientist,
Francis Crick, one of the joint discoverers
of DNA: “An honest man, armed with all
the knowledge available to us now, could
only state that in some sense, the origin
of life appears at the moment to be
almost a miracle, so many are the
conditions which had to have been
satisfied to get it going.” ( Life Itself, Simon
and Schuster, New York, 1981, p.88). |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:44am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(d) Much of the evidence supposedly
supporting Darwinian evolution has either
been challenged by the progress of
science or else involves question-begging
assumptions resulting from a prior
philosophical bias in favour of atheism or
agnosticism. Take, for example, the
argument that homology (i.e. similarities
of body structure or biochemistry
between different species) proves
evolutionary descent from a common
ancestor. Could this not instead be
evidence of common design by a common
Creator? Different types of car also share
similar features in terms of wheels and
engines whilst still remaining the common
product of human intelligence. Advances
in microbiology, moreover, call into
question the notion that genetic
similarities between different species
implies common ancestry. As molecular
biologist and former atheist, Dr Jonathan
Wells, points out, similar genes within
different species often lead to different
bodily features, while different genes
sometimes lead to similar features, thus
turning the supposed homological ‘proof’
of macro-evolution on its head. To quote
his words: “We know some cases where
you have similar features that come from
different genes, but we have lots and lots
of cases where we have similar genes
that give rise to very different features.
I’ll give you an example: eyes. There’s a
gene that’s similar in mice, octopuses,
and fruit flies. If you look at a mouse eye
and an octopus eye, there’s a superficial
similarity, which is odd because nobody
thinks their common ancestor had an eye
like that. What’s more striking is if you
look at a fruit fly’s eye – a compound eye
with multiple facets – it’s totally different.
Yet all three of these eyes depend on the
same or very similar gene.” |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:45am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(e) In his book, Icons of Evolution,
molecular biologist, Dr Jonathan Wells,
exposes the weakness of some of the
chief arguments and ‘evidence’ habitually
trotted out in support of Darwinism in the
standard biology textbooks used in
colleges and universities. So too does
Australian microbiologist, Dr Michael
Denton, an agnostic scientist whose
detailed, ground-breaking critique of
Darwinism, Evolution: A Theory In Crisis,
has opened up the scientific debate about
origins since its publication in 1986. What
these, and other authors, reveal in
particular, is the embarrassing fact that
paleontology (the study of the fossil
record) does not support evolutionary
theory, let alone the Darwinian claim that
macro-evolution has occurred and is
therefore a ‘fact’.
The first problem Darwinian evolution
faces is the absence of intermediate
forms in the fossil record, a fact which
Darwin himself conceded was the gravest
and most obvious objection to his theory.
As he wrote in The Origin of Species
(1859): “Why, if species have descended
from other species by insensibly fine
gradations, do we not everywhere see
innumerable transitional forms?” The
answer, he believed, lay in the
incompleteness of the fossil record, a
defect he assumed would be rectified by
future discoveries. This has proved to be a
false hope. Despite the accumulation of at
least a quarter of a million fossil species
over the past 150 years, the evolutionary
‘gaps’ have not been filled, as many
Darwinian scientists themselves
acknowledge. To quote Stephen Gould,
professor of paleontology, biology, and
geology at Harvard: “The extreme rarity of
transitional forms in the fossil record
persists as the trade secret of
paleontology. The evolutionary trees that
adorn our textbooks have data only at the
tips and nodes of their branches; the rest
is inference, however reasonable, not the
evidence of fossils.” (Natural History,
Vol.86, 1977 ). In a similar fashion, Steve
Jones, professor of genetics at London
University, and like Gould, an evolutionist
and atheist, admits: “The evidence for
human evolution is, in fact, still
extraordinarily weak…There are no more
fossils than would cover a decent-sized
table and we know almost nothing about
what propelled a hairy and rather stupid
ape into a bald and mildly intellectual
human being.” ( Daily Telegraph, 13/9/95 ).
But in any case, even if there were an
abundance of apparent ‘transitional’
fossils, why should this be conclusive
evidence for macro-evolution? Could not
an intelligent Creator have directly
created unrelated creatures with certain
shared or overlapping characteristics?
After all, points out Dr Jonathan Wells, “…
we see strange animals around today, like
the duck-billed platypus, which nobody
considers transitional but which has
characteristics of different classes.”
The second embarrassing paleontological
problem confronting Darwinian theory is
what biologists call the ‘Cambrian
explosion’ – the sudden and inexplicable
appearance early in geological history of
fossil remains of most of the major types
of animal life alive today as well as
various kinds that are now extinct. How
can this biological ‘Big Bang’ be reconciled
with the idea of macro-evolution? To
quote geophysicist and origin-of-life
biologist, Dr Stephen Meyer: “The
Cambrian explosion represents an
incredible quantum leap in biological
complexity. Before then, life on Earth was
pretty simple – one-celled bacteria, blue-
green algae, and later some sponges and
primitive worms or mollusks. Then
without any ancestors in the fossil record,
we have a stunning variety of complex
creatures appear in the blink of an eye,
geologically speaking…All of this totally
contradicts Darwinism, which predicted
the slow, gradual development in
organisms over time…The big issue is
where did the information come from to
build all these new proteins, cells, and
body plans?” |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:48am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(f) Another powerful objection to
Darwinian theory is its inability to offer a
convincing solution to the problem of
‘irreducible complexity’ – i.e. the
existence of biological organisms and
systems comprised of multiple, co-
ordinated parts, all of which must co-exist
to ensure the proper functioning of that
organism or system. As Darwin himself
admitted in The Origin of Species: “If it
could be demonstrated that any complex
organ existed which could not possibly
have been formed by numerous,
successive, slight modifications, my theory
would absolutely break down.” Precisely
such a demonstration has been made by
American biochemist, Dr Michael Behe, in
his award-winning best-seller, Darwin’s
Black Box: the biochemical challenge to
evolution. In this book, he argues that
many biochemical structures within living
organisms are ‘irreducibly complex’, like,
for example, those involved in vision and
blood-clotting. Behe shows that even the
simplest form of vision requires a dazzling
array of chemicals in the right places, as
well as a system to transmit and process
the information. The blood-clotting
mechanism similarly needs many different
chemicals to work together in order to
prevent us bleeding to death from minor
cuts. If a simple mousetrap cannot
function if any of its component parts are
missing, how could an evolutionary
process produce infinitely more complex
single-cell organisms? As one Darwinian
scientist, Franklin M. Harold, has pointed
out in his book, The Way of the Cell,
(Oxford University Press, 2001, p.205), a
single-cell organism is a biological high-
tech factory complete with: “artificial
languages and their decoding systems,
memory banks for information storage
and retrieval, elegant control systems
regulating the automated assembly of
parts and components, error fail-safe and
proof-reading devices utilized for quality
control, assembly processes involving the
principle of prefabrication and modular
construction…[and] a capacity not
equalled in any of our most advanced
machines, for it would be capable of
replicating its entire structure within a
matter of a few hours.” Not surprisingly,
he reluctantly concludes: “…we must
concede that there are presently no
detailed Darwinian accounts of the
evolution of any biochemical system, only
a variety of wishful speculations.” (p.329). |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:49am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(g) Even if we ignore the many difficulties
facing Darwinian theory and the lack of
convincing evidence for macro-evolution,
one compelling reason exists for
dismissing it completely: the accidental
emergence of complex life-forms does not
become more probable by being divided
up into many little steps. Since the
evolutionary process is ‘blind’ because it
has no conscious purpose or ‘target’ at
which it is aiming, there is no reason why
all the little steps required for the
development of the human eye, for
instance, should occur at the right time
and in the right order. To quote one
agnostic scientific critic of Darwinism,
Richard Milton, writing in his book, The
Facts of Life (Corgi Books, 1992, p.180):
“The improbability of step number 2
correctly following step number 1,
correctly followed by step number 3 and
so on for 100 mutations, is as great as
leaping to the 100th step in one go…It
does not become any easier for an eye to
come into being just because the first of
the 100 or 1,000 accidents needed has
taken place, even if that first step is a
very important general innovation such as
light-sensitive tissue.” The next random
mutation may be a wrong step, “such as
providing eyelids before providing the
muscles to move them, thus blinding their
possessor.” Even if favourable mutations
did accumulate within one species, their
survival value could be counterbalanced
by favourable mutations within some
hostile predator, or else nullified by some
harmful change in climate or physical
environment. Since, in addition, most
mutations are harmful, why should it be
likely that enough favourable mutations
would accumulate by accident to produce
a progressive upward trend in organic
evolution? |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:50am On Dec 09, 2015 |
(h) The final reason for dismissing
Darwinian evolution on both scientific and
philosophical grounds is that its advocates
simply miss the main point in the debate
between atheists and theists. They are not
only confronted by the extreme
improbability that life in all its complexity
‘evolved’ by random and purposeless
naturalistic processes; they face an even
greater challenge: to explain why it is
more probable that life in all its forms
emerged on our planet by accident,
rather than as the deliberately designed
product of an intelligent Creator. Once
the issue is seen in this light, the
absurdity of denying God’s existence
becomes fully apparent. To quote one
great British scientist from the past, Lord
Kelvin, who made important discoveries in
thermodynamics and died in 1907:
“Overwhelmingly strong proofs of
intelligent and benevolent design lie
around us … the atheistic idea is so
nonsensical that I cannot put it into
words.” (Proceedings of the Victoria
Institute , No.124, p.267). |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 11:53am On Dec 09, 2015 |
I am a scientist.
but most importantly, I'm a Christian.
more facts can be presented if any Darwinian has a raised eyebrow |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by donnffd(m): 4:34pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
LORDDICE: I have said it before and will say it again, your posts are too long and needs to be summarized, i cant read all that, have meaningful things to do,but i did stumble upon where you said evolution doesnt explain fine-tuned universe bla bla bla...Are you sure you are a scientist, Evolution is the study of the diversity of life on earth, it makes no claim to how life started or the universe for that matter, those are completely different fields...Now fine, you have destroyed evolution, whats your alternative? Animals just appeared on the earth? 6000 years ago?,is that it? and let me ask you this, do you believe that dinosaurs existed 2 Likes |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by LORDDICE(m): 7:17pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
donnffd: NO. talking about Darwinism, does it also give room for dinosaurs |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by donnffd(m): 11:17pm On Dec 09, 2015 |
LORDDICE: Lol, so you think scientists are in a form of cult and carrying out a conspiracy against us, they forged the bones of dinosaurs and old creatures of the past?......dude you are deluded, can't argue with ignorance, I can't believe someone who calls himself a scientist doesn't believe dinosaurs once existed!!! Hilarious 1 Like |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by sonmvayina(m): 12:36am On Dec 10, 2015 |
the letter killeth.... |
Re: why Does Science Cotradict Religion? by PastorAIO: 3:23am On Dec 10, 2015 |
donnffd: LordDice, your posts are too long. I'm not a darwinist but I can't read your posts in spite of how interested I am in your arguments. If you cannot make your point in one sentence then try to do it within two sentences. Or patapata if you must be longwinded, then try to be entertaining with it. |
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