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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by seankay(m): 11:14pm On Dec 10, 2015
Amberon:
But all terrorists are Muslims. We can't differentiate them and anyone of them can become radicalised at any point, that's why the U.S.A is implementing a total ban on ISLAM.
yeah that's why I said we can differentiate them so that makes them dangerous cos we don't know which one presently have that evil ideology
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Amberon: 11:19pm On Dec 10, 2015
you're such a mumu. May you grow a brain in Jesus Name.
gists:

Dylann Roof - the guy who killed 9 christians while in their church is not a terrorist abi? Because he is not a muslim so he can't/shouldn't be tagged a terrorist abi?
Abeg I won go sleep. Lots of senseless posts.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 11:20pm On Dec 10, 2015
gcof:
do you think muslims are marginalized? Why would 90% not be seen and only 10% known to the whole world? you can believe it or not ,the fact still remains that all terrorists are muslims and all muslims are potential terrorists
In other words you are saying FBI that conducted the research are ignorant/incompetent and you are the one with the correct stats.
Speechless!!

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gcof(m): 11:23pm On Dec 10, 2015
gists:

In other words you are saying FBI that conducted the research are ignorant/incompetent and you are the one with the correct stats.
Speechless!!
i only asked you a question.why was there no platform for discussions on the 90% non-muslim attacks just like this one on the 10% muslim attack
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gcof(m): 11:27pm On Dec 10, 2015
gists:

In other words you are saying FBI that conducted the research are ignorant/incompetent and you are the one with the correct stats.
Speechless!!
i only aked you a question. Why was there no platform for discussion on the 90% non-muslim attacks like this one on the just 10% muslim attack
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 11:30pm On Dec 10, 2015
gcof:
i only asked you a question.why was there no platform for discussions on the 90% non-muslim attacks just like this one on the 10% muslim attack
Why ask me? Am I the one that did the research? I suggest you direct that question to the FBI - they are the ones that did the findings.
You may also want to listen to Trevor Aaronson on the TED talk.
https://www.ted.com/talks/trevor_aaronson_how_this_fbi_strategy_is_actually_creating_us_based_terrorists?language=en
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gcof(m): 11:33pm On Dec 10, 2015
gists:

Why ask me? Am I the one that did the research? I suggest you direct that question to the FBI - they are the ones that did the findings.
You may also want to listen to Trevor Aaronson on the TED talk.
https://www.ted.com/talks/trevor_aaronson_how_this_fbi_strategy_is_actually_creating_us_based_terrorists?language=en
youngman it is only the truth that can set us free..condemn what is wrong and stand for what is right, set religion aside
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Nobody: 11:33pm On Dec 10, 2015
If it was possible to move around with a visible bible freely in places like Saudi arabia, then Islam won't be an issue despite all terrorists being Muslims..

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 11:39pm On Dec 10, 2015
gcof:
youngman it is only the truth that can set us free..condemn what is wrong and stand for what is right, set religion aside
God bless you for this statement!
Set religion sentiments aside and you will see that terrorism is a world problem and not a religious problem.
Now it will be fo0lish of me to say some derange people with islamic names are not involved in terrorism.
But to limit terrorism to only muslims is like spiting on the graves of the over 70 victims of Oslo shooting in Norway;
The 9 black Africans that died in St Emmanuel Church; The 1000s of muslims that were killed in Bosnia and many more killings by non muslims around the world.
Simply because those killers are not muslims doesn't mean the lives of the victims doesn't count. Condemn all acts of terrorism and device ways to nip them ALL in the bud before they strike. You never know whose life you are putting in danger by looking the other way when the assailant is not an arab or a black man.

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by NigLasPresident: 11:50pm On Dec 10, 2015
abduljabbar4:
Of course, we the Muslims are not gay

wow!
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by NigLasPresident: 11:54pm On Dec 10, 2015
gists:

God bless you for this statement!
Set religion sentiments aside and you will see that terrorism is a world problem and not a religious problem.
Now it will be fo0lish of me to say some derange people with islamic names are not involved in terrorism.
But to limit terrorism to only muslims is like spiting on the graves of the over 70 victims of Oslo shooting in Norway;
The 9 black Africans that died in St Emmanuel Church; The 1000s of muslims that were killed in Bosnia and many more killings by non muslims around the world.
Simply because those killers are not muslims doesn't mean the lives of the victims doesn't count. Condemn all acts of terrorism and device ways to nip them ALL in the bud before they strike. You never know whose life you are putting in danger by looking the other way when the assailant is not an arab or a black man.

Not that I don't support your points, I support you 100%... But I just want to correct a mistake you made... The Oslo shooter is Muslim... Ok back to the issue at hand... #stop the hate on islam
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Ballmer: 11:55pm On Dec 10, 2015
SamJed:
I love this...abduljabbar4 let me explain what u posted so that u won't repeat ur ignorance again...first of all the passages u quoted are all in the old testament...here is why...when God brought out the Israelites from Egypt and was taking them to their promised land, the Israelites constantly fell into sin thereby making God angry. After God constantly forgave them yet they were still sinning, God decided to give them strict rules of which death was a major penalty. This brought about all those rules of which death was involved that u are talking about. Yet the Israelites kept sinning. God's relationship with the Israelites then was like a by force something of which God didnt tolerate even the smallest sin. It was to the extent that of all the people that left Egypt only two entered the promised land even Moses that led them did not enter because he sinned. But upon all the strict rules, God found out that man still sinned so when Jesus came, he made it something of choice, he said 'i place before u life and death bt choose life that u may live'....the time of forcing someone to worship God and killing him if he doesn't ended when Jesus came...so in summary death as a penalty in the bible was as a result of the sins of the Israelites in order to checkmate them and it ended when Jesus gave us a freewill thereby condemning the killings. Note:there is no where where non Jews were forced to believe in God except as a slave unlike u guys.. The deaths were specifically within Israel... So please stop quoting the old testaments in ignorance. Now please explain these few passages.... Quran (2:191-193)-"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[disbelief or unrest]is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah[disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah]and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"...Quran (2:244)-"Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216)-"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."....Quran (3:56)-"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151)-"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"....Quran (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."...Quran (4:76)-"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89)-"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."...Quran(4:95)-"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "...Quran (8:15)-"O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end." Modified: i went through the passages u posted earlier again and noticed u posted instructions on war...in the times of old nations fighting against nations for superiority or to take their land was rampant...the Israelites were not exemptions...most passages u quoted were those of war for either defense or attack and i think u should read the whole context before concluding that they were just meant to kill like u people...

I might not be a strong Cristian but the fact remains that the Old Testament is part n parcel of what is called the bible today.

I simply believe the doctrine of both religions Islam n Christianity is too similar. The Old Testament is just the English version of the Koran. Jesus was the only saving grace to the Christian n to a large extent the world.

Islam on the other refuse to be dynamic in its doctrine n got stuck with biblical laws in the 21st century thinking it would outlive the human race but alas they never envisage the killing of Muslims by Muslims like ISIS Taliban Shia Sunni etc are doing today.

The earlier the beta all the evil doctrine are expunged from the Koran like Christians relegated the Mosaic laws the beta for Islam. Anything short of this the 3rd WW will be fought against Islam with other faiths as accomplice.

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 12:07am On Dec 11, 2015
NigLasPresident:

Not that I don't support your points, I support you 100%... But I just want to correct a mistake you made... The Oslo shooter is Muslim... Ok back to the issue at hand... #stop the hate on islam
Nope!
I believe their is just one Oslo terrorist by the name Anders Behring Breivik. Checkout his wikipedia page

Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by NigLasPresident: 12:20am On Dec 11, 2015
gists:

Nope!
I believe their is just one Oslo terrorist by the name Anders Behring Breivik. Checkout his wikipedia page

oh sorry about my blunders... I took his fighting Marxism and Islam to mean he practiced both... Never knew the odinism thing was a serious modern day religion... But I remember that in the movie ***Vikings *** I guess it's an ancient religion in the Scandinavia and still in vogue there..... #stop hate against islam
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Csami(m): 12:24am On Dec 11, 2015
My God! I just hate it when Islamic fanatics brings the old testament in the 21st century. They tell us about the crusade and other stuffs that took place in the 18/19th century and we get it; christians committed genocide, yes but it's far back as 2 centuries ago. Nobody kills anybody with the Christian ideology anymore, no christian forces religion on anyone anymore, no christian forces anyone to hear the word of God anymore but on the other hand, Islamic fanatics wants everyone to embrace sharia law. Jihad john forcefully coverts "infidels" to muslims. He killed with and in the name of the Koran(Allah and mohammad) in this fvcking century! I mean in this tech age. Why? It's safe to say something is actually wrong with the Koran via interpretation. Are Muslims actually reading the Koran from right to left or left to right?
Islam and their ideology is something to be worried about.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by One1deen(m): 2:14am On Dec 11, 2015
Blackfire:



islam is evil....

U wana go on a debate with me, but just be sure u know your quran and hadith well, but before we go on, are u a sunni,shia or sufi? Are u a northerner or southerner muslim? Oh am going to love this, everybody observe

You to are an idiot
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Trioxocarbonate: 5:54am On Dec 11, 2015
Dfinex:


Yes there are different denominations in christendom but it will in interest u to know that we don't go about disturbing the whole world with psychopathic behaviors, so do urself a favor and tell urself the truth.... Religion of peace indeed!!!!!! .

The atrocities commited by 1%of the entire population of the religion (Islam) should not be a group to call all the Muslims as intolerant.

You are not in a position to tell me what Islam is and isn't.

I have hands up with religion debate.

Good morning.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Blackfire(m): 6:01am On Dec 11, 2015
One1deen:


You to are an idiot


i accept i am an idi.ot, but not as daft as a man who collected, no snatch his adopted son's wife and when he sees people are complaining quickly receive revelation from al- illah that he is permited to do so, all this are there in the quran and hadiths, but u wont read or open your mind to the truth, islam is evil.

They tell us islam is peaceful, and they quote there famous al taqiya verse 'there is no compulsion' but my peoples try to finish the whole verse, u will know there is nothing peaceful about islam... As a muslim/ non muslim u cant question or critic muhamed/quran that means u will be killed, and when u as a muslim want to leave islam,both sunnis,shias believe u are only worthy of death.. Is that not compulsion, and what is peaceful about such religion.

A widow criticise muhamed, the guy send assasins to kill her, they buried there dagger inside her.

Tell me is that not wickedness, and this the man u are asked to emulate as al hassan, all that i ve said is in the quran and hadiths.

The reason the world is in turmoil right now, is because muslims are trying to be like him.

....let me stop here.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Blackfire(m): 7:00am On Dec 11, 2015
Dfinex:


Yes there are different denominations in christendom but it will in interest u to know that we don't go about disturbing the whole world with psychopathic behaviors, so do urself a favor and tell urself the truth.... Religion of peace indeed!!!!!! .


...... Wait they will soon tell u, muhamed invented chewing stick.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Blackfire(m): 7:08am On Dec 11, 2015
philGeo:
I have a video for you, how many times have Islam talk about Muhammad? And how many times it talk about Jesus? Is their any chapter about Muhammad family? But there is about JESUS Family? Merriam is the chapter, Muhammad is death and he will never raise again but Jesus will come again, i could have love to teach you more about islam and CHRISTIANITY.


... Dont even go there, ask the muslims who butchered muhamed grandson? Jews, christains or atheist or muslims?.
@abdul jabbar u believe al-ilah cant relate with his creation like a family... But u believe al-ilah can own a slave, that your god must be a sadist.

Just like your name abdul, that is slave.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Dfinex(f): 7:48am On Dec 11, 2015
Blackfire:


...... Wait they will soon tell u, muhamed invented chewing stick.
Lolss... Bros no mind those people joor.... Confused set!!
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by stanech: 7:55am On Dec 11, 2015
Ok all these muslim jihadist please i want to ask a simple question

wat is d difference between the life of mohammed and that of shekau, bin ladden, etc

and why do you call mohammed the holy prophet after all his attrocities

why do you claim that majority of muslims are peaceful but a simple cartooon of your holy prophet will lead to wide spread deadly attacks on innocent christians

why do you want to force sharia law on everyone in your land why cant i open a church in saudi arabia but there is a mosque in the holy city in italy

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Amberon: 8:02am On Dec 11, 2015
We are saved by grace, but shall we continue to live in sin that grace shall abound? No.

We are saved by grace, not works. If you don't believe in Christ, no heaven for you. No amount of good works will take you to heaven without having Christ. When you accept Christ, and are baptised by the holy spirit, He will give you enough grace to abstain from sin.

Thou shall not judge. If you havnt done anything for the needy around you, then you're no different from those men of God. God is a just God and will judge all equally irrespective of race, ethnicity, status etc. Good day.
gists:

Absolutely correct!!
I mean, like a pastor who obviously has given his life but still build private schools (from the church members' offering/tithe) with school fees well above the reach of average church member. Similarly, the private jet pastors going around the world spreading the word while the local members leave in poverty. These clergies don't need to account for their deeds because the have given their lives to christ and so they will be saved by grace- abi?
SMH
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Dfinex(f): 8:05am On Dec 11, 2015
Trioxocarbonate:


The atrocities commited by 1%of the entire population of the religion (Islam) should not be a group to call all the Muslims as intolerant.

You are not in a position to tell me what Islam is and isn't.

I have hands up with religion debate.

Good morning.
.
Please help the entire universe by telling your 1% of the group to stop the unrest and the senseless killings so peace will reign.
Just like I am in no position to tell you what Islam is, so are you in no position to tell me what Christianity is.
Good a thing u have hands up, however any religion that uses coercion is a no no.
Have a nice day
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by SamJed(m): 8:05am On Dec 11, 2015
gists:

I didn't want to say anything on this thread until I read your post.
Trust me, I am not doing this to make you convert as you said.
I am only doing this to help you in eradicating your ignorance
so you won't talk carelessly in future - especially in public forum.
So, here are just a few to wet your appetite:

Matt. 3:12 (Jesus referring to the Pharisees and Sadducees i.e people)
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

What would have said if the Quran said pluck off your eye in order to enter heaven. Here is what Jesus said IN NEW TESTAMENT

Matt. 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Matt. 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

I know you believe the Quran was spread by the power of the sword. But here is what the Bible says again in the New testament
Matthew 10:34
Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.


Lets move over to Corinthians
1 Corinthians 15:24
[Jesus] will turn the Kingdom over to God the Father, having destroyed every ruler and authority and power.

15:25
For Christ must reign until he humbles all his enemies beneath his feet.

Micah 15:5
I will execute vengeance in anger and fury on the heathen, such as they have not heard.

Romans 13:1-4
God has allowed for just wars throughout the history of His people. From Abraham to Deborah to David, God’s people have fought as instruments of judgment from a righteous and holy God.

I am also sure you critisize islam for marginalising women. Let's turn to the New testament book of 1 Timothy 2:12
But i suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence (their is another translation that said women MUST BE IN SILENCE

And finally (at least for now)
Luke 19:27
But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and kill them in my presence.

BUT WAIT!!!
Before you click the reply link, PLEASE don't bother to explain these verse BECAUSE YOU DID NOT ALLOW MUSLIMS to explain their verses too. So save your explanations since you didn't care about ours tongue tongue tongue
we want u people to explain yet u keep dodging it....thank God u know that u quoted the passages wrongly...u just quoted places u saw 'kill, death, cut, slay'...u are very funny...anyway most of them there were figurative....Jesus loved talking in Parables....am sure u learnt of figurative speeches in secondary school....
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by wiseoneking: 8:50am On Dec 11, 2015
abduljabbar4:

You are lying to the wrong man mr! I go to the middle east yearly and i live in the north and i have never heard of any case of homosexuality. So thats how you decieve people with false information right?
Just google all that i mentioned and stop living in denial. Even here in Nigeria is common in muslim north. Deny this also. Real marriage/wedding has been going on in the north until recently that the govt started tracking them. Politicians are more too. This is generally among the muslims. Dont argue blindly.
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by cronsberg: 8:56am On Dec 11, 2015
SamJed:
I love this...abduljabbar4 let me explain what u posted so that u won't repeat ur ignorance again...first of all the passages u quoted are all in the old testament...here is why...when God brought out the Israelites from Egypt and was taking them to their promised land, the Israelites constantly fell into sin thereby making God angry. After God constantly forgave them yet they were still sinning, God decided to give them strict rules of which death was a major penalty. This brought about all those rules of which death was involved that u are talking about. Yet the Israelites kept sinning. God's relationship with the Israelites then was like a by force something of which God didnt tolerate even the smallest sin. It was to the extent that of all the people that left Egypt only two entered the promised land even Moses that led them did not enter because he sinned. But upon all the strict rules, God found out that man still sinned so when Jesus came, he made it something of choice, he said 'i place before u life and death bt choose life that u may live'....the time of forcing someone to worship God and killing him if he doesn't ended when Jesus came...so in summary death as a penalty in the bible was as a result of the sins of the Israelites in order to checkmate them and it ended when Jesus gave us a freewill thereby condemning the killings. Note:there is no where where non Jews were forced to believe in God except as a slave unlike u guys.. The deaths were specifically within Israel... So please stop quoting the old testaments in ignorance. Now please explain these few passages.... Quran (2:191-193)-"And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah[disbelief or unrest]is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah[disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah]and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"...Quran (2:244)-"Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."
Quran (2:216)-"Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."....Quran (3:56)-"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151)-"Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority"....Quran (4:74)-"Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."...Quran (4:76)-"Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"
Quran (4:89)-"They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."...Quran(4:95)-"Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "...Quran (8:15)-"O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end." Modified: i went through the passages u posted earlier again and noticed u posted instructions on war...in the times of old nations fighting against nations for superiority or to take their land was rampant...the Israelites were not exemptions...most passages u quoted were those of war for either defense or attack and i think u should read the whole context before concluding that they were just meant to kill like u people...
But jesus did not come to abolish the old laws but to fulfill them, so the old testament is as valid today as the new testament
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by cheruv: 9:00am On Dec 11, 2015
OmoPastor:


that you can quote the scriptures does not make you knowledgeable in it bro
the scripture is a far cry ahead of your book, so drop the attitude

if you sincerely want to know about the real scripture, i bet you cannot finish the book of the beginning before you surrender totally to the Holy Spirit and become born again with your face flat on the floor, bro, the bible is too powerful, its not a newspaper wink
Don't mind him...
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 9:03am On Dec 11, 2015
Csami:
My God! I just hate it when Islamic fanatics brings the old testament in the 21st century. They tell us about the crusade and other stuffs that took place in the 18/19th century and we get it; christians committed genocide, yes but it's far back as 2 centuries ago. Nobody kills anybody with the Christian ideology anymore, no christian forces religion on anyone anymore, no christian forces anyone to hear the word of God anymore but on the other hand, Islamic fanatics wants everyone to embrace sharia law. Jihad john forcefully coverts "infidels" to muslims. He killed with and in the name of the Koran(Allah and mohammad) in this fvcking century! I mean in this tech age. Why? It's safe to say something is actually wrong with the Koran via interpretation. Are Muslims actually reading the Koran from right to left or left to right?
Islam and their ideology is something to be worried about.
Let me help you a little.
forget about the crusade. Like you said, that happened over two centuries ago.
I will give a few examples of terrorist acts by christians in this age of coloured television and mobile phone - those that you have chosen to ignore (though many times unintentionally due to brainwashing by mainstream media)

1. In Feb 2010, Joseph Andrew Stack flew his single engine plane into an Austin building that housed IRS offices. Stack and an IRS manager were killed and 13 others were injured. Before he carried out his attack he left a long rant about the IRS and politicians online.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Austin_suicide_attack

2. in 2009, Shawna Forde (yes a woman), orchestrated the home invasion murders of a 9-year-old Latina girl and her father in their home. MAD is a violent anti-immigrant group that operates along the Mexican-American border.

3. On August 5, 2012, a massacre took place at the Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, where 40-year-old Wade Michael Page fatally shot six people and wounded four others.[3][4] Page committed suicide by shooting himself in the head after he was shot in the stomach by a responding police officer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

4. On May 31, 2009, George Tiller, a physician from Wichita, Kansas, who was nationally known for being one of the few doctors in the United States to perform late-term abortions, was murdered by Scott Roeder. Tiller was killed during a Sunday morning service at his church, Reformation Lutheran Church, where he was serving as an usher.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_George_Tiller

I didn't want to include these last two but it will be a great injustice if they don't make the list
5. Army of God
The earliest documented incidence of the Army of God being involved with anti-abortion activity occurred in 1982. Three men associated with the organization kidnapped Hector Zevallos, a doctor who performed abortions, and his wife, Rosalee Jean, and held them hostage. The hostages were later released unharmed.[2] The "East Coast division" of the AOG claimed responsibility when three men, including Michael Bray, planted bombs at seven abortion clinics in Maryland, Virginia, and Washington D.C. in 1985.[3]

The AOG claimed responsibility for Eric Robert Rudolph's 1997 nail bombing of abortion clinics in Atlanta and Birmingham as well as an Atlanta lesbian bar.[4]

Clayton Waagner, claiming to act on the part of the "Virginia Dare Chapter" of the AOG, mailed over 500 letters containing white powder to 280 abortion providers in 2001. The letters claimed that the powder was anthrax; though it was not identified as such, the tactic took advantage of the public's fear of biological warfare after the recent real anthrax attacks.[5][6]

The group is also associated with a number of abortion clinic bombings, arsons and murders of abortion providers. Some of these murderers claimed association with the AOG; in other cases, while the killers expressed no affiliation with the group, the AOG has lionized their acts and taken up their cause
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)


6. Eastern Lightning
n 1998 members of the church triggered eight riots which lasted for twelve days in Hetang county, Henan. They reportedly broke the arms and legs, and cut the ears off their victims.[13]

In 2010 members killed an elementary school student, leaving a lightning-like mark on one of the victim's feet.[13] The police investigation revealed that the boy was killed because one of his relatives, a member of the church, expressed his desire to quit.[13]

In 2012 the church was found to be behind more than 40 riots caused by spreading doomsday rumors and distributing propaganda material.[13] Also in 2012 Ming Yongjun, who said he was motivated by the doomsday prophecies of the church, stabbed an elderly woman and 23 students at a school in Henan province.[13]

In August 2013 members of the church in Shanxi pulled out the eyes of a boy because his family tried to leave the religion.[21]

On May 28, 2014, six members of the Eastern Lightning sparked a national outcry when they attacked and killed a woman at a McDonald's restaurant in Zhaoyuan, Shandong (招远), a city in Shandong Province of China.[9][22] During an interview with a CCTV journalist, Lidong Zhang (张立冬), the lead attacker, claimed that the subject rejected his daughter's request for her phone number and was called a "devil" (邪灵), which prompted the six members to attack. Zhang described in detail how they kept stamping the victim's head to the ground for about three minutes, and that "he felt great", but he deliberately avoided questions on the organization and his rank within the religious group.[23][24][25] Five of them were convicted and on October 10, two were sentenced to death and later executed,[26] one to life imprisonment, and the other two to 7 and 10 years in prison.[27]

On an unknown date, a follower of Eastern Lightning killed her father before calmly turning herself in to the Public Security Bureau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Lightning
Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by holysina(m): 9:03am On Dec 11, 2015
abduljabbar4:


Let me show u that i know christianity more than ur pastor

Explain this:
EX 17:13 With the Lord's approval, Joshua mows
down Amalek and his people.
EX 21:20-21 With the Lord's approval, a slave
may be beaten to death with no punishment for
the perpetrator as long as the slave doesn't die
too quickly.
EX 32:27 "Put every man his sword by his side,
and go in and out from gate to gate throughout
the camp, and slay every man his brother, and
every man his companion, and every man his
neighbor.
EX 32:27-29 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites slay 3000 men.
LE 26:7-8 The Lord promises the Israelites that, if
they are obedient, their enemies will "fall before
your sword."
LE 26:22 "I will also send wild beasts among you,
which shall rob you of your children."
LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a
punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the
flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers
and friends.
LE 27:29 Human sacrifice is condoned. (Note: An
example is given in JG 11:30-39 )
NU 11:33 The Lord smites the people with a great
plague.
NU 12:1-10 God makes Miriam a leper for seven
days because she and Aaron had spoken against
Moses.
NU 15:32-36 A Sabbath breaker (who had
gathered sticks for a fire) is stoned to death at
the Lord's command.
NU 16:27-33 The Lord causes the earth to open
and swallow up the men and their households
(including wives and children) because the men
had been rebellious.
NU 16:35 A fire from the Lord consumes 250
men.
NU 16:49 A plague from the Lord kills 14,700
people.
NU 21:3 The Israelites utterly destroy the
Canaanites.
NU 21:6 Fiery serpents, sent by the Lord, kill
many Israelites.
NU 21:35 With the Lord's approval, the Israelites
slay Og "... and his sons and all his people, until
there was not one survivor left ...."
NU 25:4 (KJV) "And the Lord said unto Moses,
take all the heads of the people, and hang them
up before the Lord against the sun ...."
NU 25:8 "He went after the man of Israel into the
tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of
Israel, and the woman through her belly."
NU 25:9 24,000 people die in a plague from the
Lord.
NU 31:9 The Israelites capture Midianite women
and children.
NU 31:17-18 Moses, following the Lord's
command, orders the Israelites to kill all the
Midianite male children and "... every woman who
has known man ...." (Note: How would it be
determined which women had known men? One
can only speculate.)
NU 31:31-40 32,000 virgins are taken by the
Israelites as booty. Thirty-two are set aside (to
be sacrificed?) as a tribute for the Lord.
DT 2:33-34 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Sihon.
DT 3:6 The Israelites utterly destroy the men,
women, and children of Og.
DT 7:2 The Lord commands the Israelites to
"utterly destroy" and show "no mercy" to those
whom he gives them for defeat.
DT 20:13-14 "When the Lord delivers it into your
hand, put to the sword all the males .... As for
the women, the children, the livestock and
everything else in the city, you may take these as
plunder for yourselves."
DT 20:16 "In the cities of the nations the Lord is
giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive
anything that breathes."
DT 21:10-13 With the Lord's approval, the
Israelites are allowed to take "beautiful women"
from the enemy camp to be their captive wives.
If, after sexual relations, the husband has "no
delight" in his wife, he can simply let her go.
DT 28:53 "You will eat the fruit of the womb, the
flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your
God has given you."
JS 1:1-9 , 18 Joshua receives the Lord's blessing
for all the bloody endeavors to follow.
JS 6:21-27 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
destroys the city of Jericho--men, women, and
children--with the edge of the sword.
JS 7:19-26 Achan, his children and his cattle are
stoned to death because Achan had taken a
taboo thing.
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men
and women, so that there were none who
escaped.
JS 10:10-27 With the help of the Lord, Joshua
utterly destroys the Gibeonites.
JS 10:28 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the people of Makkedah.
JS 10:30 With the Lord's approval, Joshua utterly
destroys the Libnahites.
JS 10:32-33 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the people of Lachish.
JS 10:34-35 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Eglonites.
JS 10:36-37 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Hebronites.
JS 10:38-39 With the Lord's approval, Joshua
utterly destroys the Debirites.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) "So Joshua
defeated the whole land ...; he left none
remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the
Lord God of Israel commanded."
JS 11:6 The Lord orders horses to be hamstrung.
(Exceedingly cruel.)
JS 11:8-15 "And the lord gave them into the hand
of Israel, ...utterly destroying them; there was
none left that breathed ...."
JS 11:20 "For it was the Lord's doing to harden
their hearts that they should come against Israel
in battle, in order that they should be utterly
destroyed, and should receive no mercy but be
exterminated, as the Lord commanded Moses."
JS 11:21-23 Joshua utterly destroys the Anakim.
JG 1:4 With the Lord's support, Judah defeats
10,000 Canaanites at Bezek.
JG 1:6 With the Lord's approval, Judah pursues
Adoni-bezek, catches him, and cuts off his
thumbs and big toes.
JG 1:8 With the Lord's approval, Judah smites
Jerusalem.
JG 1:17 With the Lord's approval, Judah and
Simeon utterly destroy the Canaanites who
inhabited Zephath.
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 3:31 (A restatement.) Shamgar killed 600
Philistines with an oxgoad.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it
through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the
ground.
JG 7:19-25 The Gideons defeat the Midianites,
slay their princes, cut off their heads, and bring
the heads back to Gideon.
JG 8:15-21 The Gideons slaughter the men of
Penuel.
JG 9:5 Abimalech murders his brothers.
JG 9:45 Abimalech and his men kill all the people
in the city.
JG 9:53-54 "A woman dropped a stone on his
head and cracked his skull. Hurriedly he called to
his armor-bearer, 'Draw your sword and kill me,
so that they can't say a woman killed me.' So his
servant ran him through, and he died."
JG 11:29-39 Jepthah sacrifices his beloved
daughter, his only child, according to a vow he
has made with the Lord.
JG 14:19 The Spirit of the Lord comes upon a
man and causes him to slay thirty men.
JG 15:15 Samson slays 1000 men with the
jawbone of an ass.
JG 16:21 The Philistines gouge out Samson's
eyes.
JG 16:27-30 Samson, with the help of the Lord,
pulls down the pillars of the Philistine house and
causes his own death and that of 3000 other men
and women.
JG 18:27 The Danites slay the quiet and
unsuspecting people of Laish.
JG 19:22-29 A group of sexual depraved men
beat on the door of an old man's house
demanding that he turn over to them a male
house guest. Instead, the old man offers his
virgin daughter and his guest's concubine (or
wife): "Behold, here are my virgin daughter and
his concubine; let me bring them out now. Ravish
them and do with them what seems good to you;
but against this man do not do so vile a thing."
The man's concubine is ravished and dies. The
man then cuts her body into twelve pieces and
sends one piece to each of the twelve tribes of
Israel.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ "men of
valor" from amongst the Benjamites, "men and
beasts and all that they found," and set their
towns on fire.
JG 21:10-12 "... Go and smite the inhabitants of
Jabesh-gilead with the edge of the sword and;
also the women and little ones.... every male and
every woman that has lain with a male you shall
utterly destroy." They do so and find four hundred
young virgins whom they bring back for their own
use.
1SA 4:10 The Philistines slay 30,000 Israelite foot
soldiers.
1SA 5:6-9 The Lord afflicts the Philistines with
tumors in their "secret parts," presumably for
having stolen the Ark.
1SA 6:19 God kills seventy men (or so) for
looking into the Ark (at him?). (Note: The early
Israelites apparently thought the Ark to be God's
abode.)
1SA 7:7-11 Samuel and his men smite the
Philistines.
1SA 11:11 With the Lord's blessing, Saul and his
men cut down the Ammonites.
1SA 14:31 Jonathan and his men strike down the
Philistines.
1SA 14:48 Saul smites the Amalekites.
1SA 15:3 , 7-8 "This is what the Lord says: Now
go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that
they have; do not spare them, but kill both man
and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep,
camel and ass ....' And Saul ... utterly destroyed
all the people with the edge of the sword."
1SA 15:33 "Samuel hewed Agag in pieces before
the Lord ...."
1SA 18:7 The women sing as they make merry:
"Saul has slain his thousands and David his ten
thousands."
1SA 27:8-11 "David left neither man nor woman
alive ....". (Note: This implies that children and
infants were included in the slaughter.)
1SA 30:17 David smites the Amalekites.
2SA 2:23 Abner kills Asahel.
2SA 3:30 Joab and Abishai kill Abner.
2SA 4:7-8 Rechan and Baanah kill Ish-bosheth,
behead him, and take his head to David.
2SA 4:12 David has Rechan and Baanah killed,
their hands and feet cut off, and their bodies
hanged by the pool at Hebron.
2SA 5:25 "And David did as the Lord commanded
him, and smote the Philistines ...."
2SA 6:2-23 Because she rebuked him for having
exposed himself, Michal (David's wife) was barren
throughout her life.
2SA 8:1-18 (A listing of some of David's
murderous conquests.)
2SA 8:4 David hamstrung all but a few of the
horses.
2SA 8:5 David slew 22,000 Syrians.
2SA 8:6 , 14 "The Lord gave victory to David
wherever he went."
2SA 8:13 David slew 18,000 Edomites in the
valley of salt and made the rest slaves.
2SA 10:18 David slew 47,000+ Syrians.
2SA 11:14-27 David has Uriah killed so that he
can marry Uriah's wife, Bathsheba.
2SA 12:1 , 19 The Lord strikes David's child dead
for the sin that David has committed.
2SA 13:1-15 Amnon loves his sister Tamar, rapes
her, then hates her.
2SA 13:28-29 Absalom has Amnon murdered.
2SA 18:6 -7 20,000 men are slaughtered at the
battle in the forest of Ephraim.
2SA 18:15 Joab's men murder Absalom.
2SA 20:10-12 Joab's men murder Amasa and
leave him "... wallowing in his own blood in the
highway. And anyone who came by, seeing him,
stopped."
2SA 24:15 The Lord sends a pestilence on Israel
that kills 70,000 men.
1KI 2:24-25 Solomon has Adonijah murdered.
1KI 2:29-34 Solomon has Joab murdered.
1KI 2:46 Solomon has Shime-i murdered.
1KI 13:15-24 A man is killed by a lion for eating
bread and drinking water in a place where the
Lord had previously told him not to. This is in
spite of the fact that the man had subsequently
been lied to by a prophet who told the man that
an angel of the Lord said that it would be alright
to eat and drink there.
1KI 20:29-30 The Israelites smite 100,000 Syrian
soldiers in one day. A wall falls on 27,000
remaining Syrians.
2KI 1:10-12 Fire from heaven comes down and
consumes fifty men.
2KI 2:23-24 Forty-two children are mauled and
killed, presumably according to the will of God,
for having jeered at a man of God.
2KI 5:27 Elisha curses Gehazi and his
descendants forever with leprosy.
2KI 6:18-19 The Lord answers Elisha's prayer and
strikes the Syrians with blindness. Elisha tricks
the blind Syrians and leads them to Samaria.
2KI 6:29 "So we cooked my son and ate him. The
next day I said to her, 'Give up your son so we
may eat him,' but she had hidden him."
2KI 9:24 Jehu tricks and murders Joram.
2KI 9:27 Jehu has Ahaziah killed.
2KI 9:30-37 Jehu has Jezebel killed. Her body is
trampled by horses. Dogs eat her flesh so that
only her skull, feet, and the palms of her hands
remain.
2KI 10:7 Jehu has Ahab's seventy sons beheaded,
then sends the heads to their father.
2KI 10:14 Jehu has forty-two of Ahab's kin killed.
2KI 10:17 "And when he came to Samaria, he
slew all that remained to Ahab in Samaria, till he
had wiped them out, according to the word of the
Lord ...."
2KI 10:19-27 Jehu uses trickery to massacre the
Baal worshippers.
2KI 11:1 Athaliah destroys all the royal family.
2KI 14:5 , 7 Amaziah kills his servants and then
10,000 Edomites.
2KI 15:3-5 Even though he did what was right in
the eyes of the Lord, the Lord smites Azariah with
leprosy for not having removed the "high places."
2KI 15:16 Menahem ripped open all the women
who were pregnant.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord kills 185,000 men.
1CH 20:3 (KJV) "And he brought out the people
that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with
harrows of iron, and with axes."
2CH 13:17 500,000 Israelites are slaughtered.
2CH 21:4 Jehoram slays all his brothers.
PS 137:9 Happy will be the man who dashes your
little ones against the stones.
PS 144:1 God is praised as the one who trains
hands for war and fingers for battle.
IS 13:15 "Everyone who is captured will be thrust
through; all who are caught will fall by the
sword. Their infants will be dashed to pieces
before their eyes; their ... wives will be ravished."
IS 13:18 "Their bows also shall dash the young
men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the
fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare
children."
IS 14:21-22 "Prepare slaughter for his children for
the iniquity of their fathers."
IS 49:26 The Lord will cause the oppressors of
the Israelite's to eat their own flesh and to
become drunk on their own blood as with wine.
JE 16:4 "They shall die grievous deaths; they
shall not be lamented; neither shall they be
buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face
of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the
sword, and by famine; and their carcasses shall
be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the
beasts of the earth."
LA 4:9-10 "Those slain by the sword are better off
than those who die of famine; racked with
hunger, they waste away for lack of food. ...
pitiful women have cooked their own children,
who became their food ..."
EZ 6:12-13 The Lord says: "... they will fall by the
sword, famine and plague. He that is far away
will die of the plague, and he that is near will fall
by the sword, and he that survives and is spared
will die of famine. So will I spend my wrath upon
them. And they will know I am the Lord, when the
people lie slain among their idols around their
altars, on every high hill and on all the
mountaintops, under every spreading tree and
every leafy oak ...."
EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old men
outright, young men and maidens, little children
and women ...."
EZ 20:26 In order that he might horrify them, the
Lord allowed the Israelites to defile themselves
through, amongst other things, the sacrifice of
their first-born children.
EZ 21:3-4 The Lord says that he will cut off both
the righteous and the wicked that his sword shall
go against all flesh.
EZ 23:25 , 47 God is going to slay the sons and
daughters of those who were whores.
EZ 23:34 "You shall ... pluck out your hair, and
tear your breasts."
HO 13:16 "They shall fall by the sword: their
infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their
women with child shall be ripped up."
MI 3:2-3 "... who pluck off their skin ..., and their
flesh from off their bones; Who also eat the flesh
of my people, and flay their skin from off them;
and they break their bones, and chop them in
pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the
caldron."
MT 3:12 , 8:12 , 10:21 , 13:30 , 42, 22:13 , 24:51 ,
25:30 , LK 13:28 , JN 5:24 Some will spend eternity
burning in Hell. There will be weeping, wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
MT 10:21 "... the brother shall deliver up his
brother to death, and the father his child, ...
children shall rise up against their parents, and
cause them to be put to death."
MT 10:35-36 "For I have come to turn a man
against his father, a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law a
man's enemies will be the members of his own
family."
MT 11:21-24 Jesus curses [the inhabitants of]
three cities who were not sufficiently impressed
with his great works.
AC 13:11 Paul purposefully blinds a man (though
not permanently).

Think of the actions of adolf hitler, george bush and other evil christians and tell me which religion is more evil between chrisatanity and Islam

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by Johnnyessence(m): 9:31am On Dec 11, 2015
really we are in end time may almighty help us through to the kingdom of God. amen.

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Re: Rev. Graham: ‘no Muslims Should Be Allowed Into United State Of America by gists: 9:43am On Dec 11, 2015
Johnnyessence:
really we are in end time may almighty help us through to the kingdom of God. amen.
Yes May God help us all. Especially in this age of media-conditioning that has blinded so many people.
For example,
Have you noticed how CNN and Al jazeera portray the crises news they cover (especially CNN)
They show the funeral of an Israeli soldier murdered in Palestine; they'll show the wife; the 2-yr old kid and weeping mother. You'll be hard-pressed and must be a devil incarnate not to feel for the supposed poor family. What they didn't tell you is that he was killed in another man's country while terrorizing them on their land.
But, when it comes to the victims in Palestine, the story goes like . . . 6 brothers of the same family were killed by IDF airstrike..... meaning, they are reduced to numbers. You feel no attachment to them because they are just numbers - No face, no wife, no kid, no wailing mother. if they ever show old women crying, it will be in groups and not really associated with a particular victim unlike the Israeli soldier.

Hence, by the style of reporting both sides of the story, they get into your subconscious mind and control you in a very stealthy way but powerfully effective way.

SAME GOES FOR Al Jazeera!! Just reverse the scenario/story.

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