nextstep:


You're telling me that the steel, aluminium, plastic, and wood products have their origins in Nigeria? The banisters, chairs, lights, pianos, electronics, tiles, air conditioners, flooring, toilets, paint, etc all originated in Nigeria? That the machines to forge, bend, lift, and affix these items are made in Nigeria? Unless I'm mistaken the vast majority of inputs to this and many other projects end up feeding families not in Nigeria. Labour is bound to be made of Nigerian personel, but I'm not convinced that they constitute up to 1/20 of the budget.

In fact the only things I can think are truly Nigerian in origin are: cement, blocks, wood for roofing. The roofing sheets are either tiles likely made in Korea or sheets manufactured in China (albeit corrugated in Nigeria). They might deign to use Nigerian doors and windows, which is open to doubt.

My initial argument was that the money might have been better spent directly funding small Nigerian enterprises for production. You might be right that there's significant money given to contractors and suppliers in Nigeria, but I think you'll find that the lions share of profits leaves the country in one form or another

stagger:


Can you tell us what the world's population was in 1 AD and what it is now in 2015 AD?

Annunaki:


It has nothing to do with the world's population, so stop being clever by half. Nothing stops christians from still meeting in small gatherings today and in the real sense the small gatherings are more impactful than the big ones in which you are lost in a crowd.

stagger:


Can you tell us what the world's population was in 1 AD and what it is now in 2015 AD?

brownsug:
U dey mind am like say d man rob I'm papa

stagger:
Nobody is talking about the employment that will be generated for at least 20 professions from this project:

Architects
Builders
Masons
Carpenters
Interlocking stone makers
Block industry owners
Electricians
Plumbers
Landscapers
Asphalt companies
Gas plants company(ies)
Suppliers of sand
Building material sellers
Food sellers
Borehole workers
Ac manufacturers and sellers
Electrical fitting sellers
Cement sellers
Iron benders
Painters
Horticulturists
Roofers
Aluminium sheet sellers
Tilers

The list goes on and on. This project will cost billions of dollars and change some people's financial levels. Some people will not key in. Rather they will blindly be making noise while others make hay as the sun shines.

dikeigbo2:
Serious selfish business minded pastor,
Solve a million problems,
Save countless souls by building a single industry.
Times it by the number of industries or factories you built and see you wipe out poverty and some vices in those areas its sighted.
Establishing or building churches or mosques is not our problem(s)
Our problem(s) is how to absolve our numerous unemployed youths.

May God bless everyone that heeds this advice Amen

Maximus85:
The Bible says make sure of everything and hold the fact. Have you checked the Google earth findings concerning your church and the signs out? [/color][color=#006600]

Annunaki:
I don't need the media to form an opinion about oyedepo. My bible tells me that "by there fruits I shall know them" and going by the fruits oyedepo displays, I can tell you with 100% certainty that he is as fake as they come.

ikukuhero:


I am actually tempted to call you a goat. I would have done so but for fear of offending God.

Maximus85:


His money? Or the hot sweat of the gullible folowers?

bezimo:


Even if its our money he wants to use, we are happy to give, and we have no apology to any small minded individual, we give and we are not complaining.Don't complain on our behalf.

dikeigbo2:
Serious selfish business minded pastor,
Solve a million problems,
Save countless souls by building a single industry.
Times it by the number of industries or factories you built and see you wipe out poverty and some vices in those areas its sighted.
Establishing or building churches or mosques is not our problem(s)
Our problem(s) is how to absolve our numerous unemployed youths.

May God bless everyone that heeds this advice Amen

bezimo:


Your mind is too small to comprehend the vision hence your ranting.Its not your fault its your mind that needs an upgrade.

dikeigbo2:
Serious selfish business minded pastor,
Solve a million problems,
Save countless souls by building a single industry.
Times it by the number of industries or factories you built and see you wipe out poverty and some vices in those areas its sighted.
Establishing or building churches or mosques is not our problem(s)
Our problem(s) is how to absolve our numerous unemployed youths.

May God bless everyone that heeds this advice Amen

odeotito:


Your education in matters spiritual could, surely, do with some touch-up!

Maximus85:


Yes, you are right, Mr Big Mind.

That you use a smart phone doesn't make you smart. Common sense is not common.

TheMascot:
eeyaa..I pity you because the brain doesn't have spare parts..

bezimo:


So its you that now have the common sense to complain on Winners behalf.
Ride on Mr Common sense. What have you achieved so far with it? Smh.
when reasonable folks are talking you should hide your opinion in the garbage.

dikeigbo2:



I just generalized my comment,be Christian, Moslem or otherwise ,,so don't get it twisted ..let them get people gainfully engaged and see as many vices will disappear ..thank you

ehissi:


Its the Job of the government to engage people gainfully as well as to deal with vices and the last I checked, Oyedepo, as influential as he is, is not the government!! In any case, attending a Church/Ministry is by choice and not by force.

People always tend to judge by apperances and bias in their personal affairs and its ok!! But its error to do so, especially when seemingly spiritual matters are discussed or debated!!

When Oyedepo set out to build Shiloh at Ota in the middle of nowhere in the bush; a good bunch of preachers whom he told felt he was mad - I mean whom do you expect to follow you to this God forsaken wilderness? Where will the loan or money come from? - but Oyedepo kept insisting that he was sent/asked by God to do it!! And today, nobody even remembers how that part of idiroko were shiloh is, was before oyedepo got there!!

Oyedepo will not do what you feel is right or beneficial to help Nigeria or Nigerians, he will/should do what God sent him to do and how God sent him to do it!! Period! At least that is my prayer for him.

Think about it? Jesus raised the dead, healed the sick, fed hungry people!! What did people think would be beneficial to Israel for Jesus to do then??

Some asked for a sign - as though a sign was required for one to do good to others - some asked why he dared to what he did and demanded to know on whose authority he did those good deeds of His, some insisted that he must be made King of Israel so that he could enforce deliverance as a matter of law and government to save the people!!

But what did God send Jesus to do? Become a living sacrifice to bear the sins of a stubborn and vile generation via cruxifiction!!

By appearances and bias, is that useful to the sick or the hungry who need food or the dead who need to be raised or the naked who need to be clothed? How useful is a dead Jesus to Israel? That is for God to know and for you - man - to find out!!

If you have ever read the last books of the gospels, you will know that as powerful and glorious and necessary as Jesus's ministry and death was, the apostles didn't believe his death was necessary, even Peter rebuke Jesus for saying he would die; and what was Jesus's response?

Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that of God, but those that be of men!!!

None of Jesus's apostles believed his death was necessary, until he resurrected and taught them again, things he already taught them before he was crucified - the last books of Matthew, Mark, luke and John are my witnesses.

There will be those who can't relate my illustration and ensamples with the topic on this thread!! A question or two should make it plain; if God, by whose grace and glory and power that oyedepo has built that ministry asks Oyedepo to build that auditorium, should he refuse on the basis that you/he doesn't think it beneficial?? Based on antecedence, do you think Oyedepo has been successful so far because he chose to do what another man thinks is beneficial or what God thinks is beneficial?? Does building such an auditorium hold any benefit whatsoever to the community where the auditorium will be built?? In this particular case, as with shiloh, Did God send Oyedepo to build this auditorium??

I don't claim to have all the correct answers but God does; and any Christian, whose eyes are on God should have no trouble asking God for wisdom if you truly have a passion for engaging youths/people as Oyedepo is passionate about what he claims God called him to do.

ehissi:


Its the Job of the government to engage people gainfully as well as to deal with vices and the last I checked, Oyedepo, as influential as he is, is not the government!! In any case, attending a Church/Ministry is by choice and not by force.

People always tend to judge by apperances and bias in their personal affairs and its ok!! But its error to do so, especially when seemingly spiritual matters are discussed or debated!!

When Oyedepo set out to build Shiloh at Ota in the middle of nowhere in the bush; a good bunch of preachers whom he told felt he was mad - I mean whom do you expect to follow you to this God forsaken wilderness? Where will the loan or money come from? - but Oyedepo kept insisting that he was sent/asked by God to do it!! And today, nobody even remembers how that part of idiroko were shiloh is, was before oyedepo got there!!

Oyedepo will not do what you feel is right or beneficial to help Nigeria or Nigerians, he will/should do what God sent him to do and how God sent him to do it!! Period! At least that is my prayer for him.

Think about it? Jesus raised the dead, healed the sick, fed hungry people!! What did people think would be beneficial to Israel for Jesus to do then??

Some asked for a sign - as though a sign was required for one to do good to others - some asked why he dared to what he did and demanded to know on whose authority he did those good deeds of His, some insisted that he must be made King of Israel so that he could enforce deliverance as a matter of law and government to save the people!!

But what did God send Jesus to do? Become a living sacrifice to bear the sins of a stubborn and vile generation via cruxifiction!!

By appearances and bias, is that useful to the sick or the hungry who need food or the dead who need to be raised or the naked who need to be clothed? How useful is a dead Jesus to Israel? That is for God to know and for you - man - to find out!!

If you have ever read the last books of the gospels, you will know that as powerful and glorious and necessary as Jesus's ministry and death was, the apostles didn't believe his death was necessary, even Peter rebuke Jesus for saying he would die; and what was Jesus's response?

Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that of God, but those that be of men!!!

None of Jesus's apostles believed his death was necessary, until he resurrected and taught them again, things he already taught them before he was crucified - the last books of Matthew, Mark, luke and John are my witnesses.

There will be those who can't relate my illustration and ensamples with the topic on this thread!! A question or two should make it plain; if God, by whose grace and glory and power that oyedepo has built that ministry asks Oyedepo to build that auditorium, should he refuse on the basis that you/he doesn't think it beneficial?? Based on antecedence, do you think Oyedepo has been successful so far because he chose to do what another man thinks is beneficial or what God thinks is beneficial?? Does building such an auditorium hold any benefit whatsoever to the community where the auditorium will be built?? In this particular case, as with shiloh, Did God send Oyedepo to build this auditorium??

I don't claim to have all the correct answers but God does; and any Christian, whose eyes are on God should have no trouble asking God for wisdom if you truly have a passion for engaging youths/people as Oyedepo is passionate about what he claims God called him to do.

dikeigbo2:













You spoke well brother ehissi, but I totally disagree with you, it's not government alone to engage people, some wealthy individuals can also, ....I didn't say they shall be dashing out money to people, let them engage people into meaningful trade or skills, it's more honourable to work and earn wages, establishing churches/ building world class Church and mosques is also good ,but does it solve the problems at hand? Answer No..remember that bad policies breeds corruption both in government and private establishments, ........these youths we fail to engage today will turn to hunt us tomorrow, both the lowly and the mighty....practicalise your Christian life..Thank you

ehissi:


The point being, as much as it is good for seemingly wealthy Nigerians to engage youths positively, its not his Job!! He is not voted in or mandate by a legislative system to do this. Its a matter of choice, of which one begins to wonder what your definition of engaging youths mean!!

If your definition of engaging Nigeria youth means "he should not build this structure" na U know!! But if you are a member or are an active participator in his ministries activities then I doubt you will comment in such a fashion!! What could be more positively engaging than what he is doing??

There are those who will argue that he does it because it is profitable; well devote a portion of your time to study where he is coming from and you will see that when he devoted his life to the course he now pursues, Pastors where by Nature poor and nobody really Pastored fulltime except you were with the catholic church and even them too made paupers out of the Holy clergy, leaving only your most basic needs as their priority being food and shelter!!

My point, he should be encouraged to continue to do exactly what God leads/called him to do even when we can't see the benefit; provided he has broken no law!!

And before you say/imply that he hasn't positively engaged youths, undertake a study of the man and his ministry and you will gain a better understanding on the focus of his life's work!!

A smart man once told me "In life, as with sports, If you find yourself constantly tackled; its probably because you have the ball"!!

bezimo:


So its you that now have the common sense to complain on Winners behalf.
Ride on Mr Common sense. What have you achieved so far with it? Smh.
when reasonable folks are talking you should hide your opinion in the garbage.

Maximus85:


Yes sir.

See your combo and the height of your reasonableness
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dikeigbo2:






You are just a godforsaken church goer, a degenerated wretch,though everyone is allowed to talk even mad men
wolf in sheepskin,

bezimo:


When you lack sense you resort to frivolities.I'm not suprised.Smh!!