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7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 11:38am On Dec 26, 2015 |
And yet they say: “There is nothing beyond our life in this world. We die as we come to life, and nothing but time destroys us.” But of this they have no knowledge whatever: they do nothing but guess. (Quran : Surah Al-Jathiya ,Verse 24) 7. English philosopher Professor Anthony Flew He led the global atheist movement for more than half a century. After turning eighty ,he published his 'spiritual autobiography,'There is a God:How the world's most notorious Athiest changed his mind.', in which he states that he declared his believe based on cogent evidence. 6. Charles Darwin He writes in his book *ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES* "Another source of conviction in the existence of God,connected with reason and not with the feelings, impresses me as having much more wieght.This follows from the extreme difficulty or rather impossibility of conceiving this immense and wonderful unoverse, including man with his capacity of looking far backwards and as far into futurity,as the result of blind chance and necessity...I deserved to be called a Theist." 5. Richard Dawkins, The world most notorious atheist. He admitted he did know everything,and threfore allowed the possibility that he was wrong. to be continued... |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by Unionised(m): 11:45am On Dec 26, 2015 |
Confused, they are... Witness the AWESOMENESS that is beyond you..... And bow. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 12:34pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
4. Francis Sellers Collins,an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of diseases genes and his leadership of the HUMAN GENOME PROJECT. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by Nobody: 12:59pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
THANK GOD I am not a chronically ignorant atheist.. who believes in dinosaurs anyway.. what ever happened to the Annunaki ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by AlfaSeltzer(m): 4:58pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Alfa Seltzer: used to be a devout atheist until the power of Satan came unto him. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by HCpaul(m): 5:40pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Which one is atheism? Did it exist? If yes, it is just another form of religion. I wonder why a man will still be doubting the existence of God in the twenty-first century. Let the dead bury their dead. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 7:20pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
elhakiimed: Darwin never said he was an atheist; rather he said he was agnostic, and until the end of his life he maintained that religion was created by man. Dawkins is still very much an atheist--I follow him on twitter, and he is very active in promoting a secular viewpoint; you can easily take a look for yourself. Most atheists are actually agnostic, meaning that they admit they could be wrong, including myself, but see no reason to believe in any god, and certainly not the vicious sky god of the Middle East. I've read the Quran, and as it admits, it is nothing but stories of the ancients. 1 Like |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:40pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
onetrack: it is obvious how much time you spend misreading if you still think the Muslims worship a "sky god" Download this book "Quran and Modern science" : Dr Zakir Naik and let's see if you dare call yourself atheist (or agnostic) afterwards. good bro. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:47pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
continuation 3. Paul C. Vitxz declared In his book **faith of the fatherless: the psychology of atheism.** " I assume that the major barrier to belief in god are not rational bit -in general sense- can be called psychology" |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 12:14am On Dec 27, 2015 |
elhakiimed: Be aware that Naik is not considered any kind of qualified religious scholar by the most respected Islamic institutions. The Quran contains no science that I can accept. It's mostly vague verses that lend themselves to various selective interpretations, including some that seem to be errors to me. Horoscopes and fortune tellers work the same way. 1 Like |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:02am On Dec 27, 2015 |
onetrack: Dr. Naik is not a scholar but his teachings are scholarly endorsed and prompted. I don't think that statement is not hypocritical. Anyways, since you said " to you " it seems there are error, I am not very bothered. The Quran gave accurate account of what happens in child formation in pregnancy and you call that fortune telling. The Quran mentioned how God perfected us to the very tip of our fingers over 1400 years ago ? Surah Al-Qiyama, Verse 4: Yes, We are Able to put together in perfect order the tips of his fingers. and so many more signs. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:06am On Dec 27, 2015 |
2. John Paul sartre a French philosopher He is a key figure in existentialsm and pgenomenology he abandoned atheism shortly before his death. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:07am On Dec 27, 2015 |
continuation 2. John Paul sartre a French philosopher He is a key figure in existentialsm and pgenomenology he abandoned atheism shortly before his death. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 8:09am On Dec 27, 2015 |
1. French writer and philosopher Voltaire he said before his death ,"I die adoring God,loving my friends,not hating my enemies,and detesting superstition." |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 1:26pm On Dec 27, 2015 |
elhakiimed: 1) The Quran's account of child development in the womb basically follows that outlined by the Greek physician Galen several hundred years earlier. Even then, the bones are not formed before they are covered with flesh, as the Quran mistakenly says. In addition, it contains no information that ancient peoples themselves could not have seen as a result of witnessing miscarriages at various stages of development. 2) We are not perfect. Many of us have various genetic mutations and sometimes obvious deformities. There are retarded people and there are people missing body parts or who are blind or deaf or dumb. Sometimes children get cancer and die. Not very perfect if you ask me. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by OKUCHI11(m): 6:36pm On Dec 27, 2015 |
oh GOd why not show us the way na.... |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 10:26am On Dec 28, 2015 |
onetrack: 1) The muslim prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was an illiterate at the time he received first revelation, he lived among people who enjoy poetry and not much of science.How possible could he have gathered knowledge from Greek scientist when he couldn't even read Arabic, not to talk of Greek. Even if for the sake of argument we agree he heard it from somewhere, did he also hear the other things,how did he manage to know which one is accurate ,despite the different school of thought that may have existed? He mentioned barrier between seas,uniqueness of fingerprint,spot on brain for lie and deceit, levels of atmospheres,position for human memory,e.t.c? 2) Muslims believe in qadr(predestination) that there is nothing Allah does except that it was writing to be so, and it is perfect if only we know, everybody has a brand of their own test of faith ,and to some it is loss of wealth,and others disability. An inventor can do whatever he feels about his invention because he knows it best, and answer to no one in his majesty. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 6:09pm On Dec 28, 2015 |
elhakiimed: Illiterate does not mean unintelligent. In addition, Muhammad worked as a trader until sometime in his 40s. He would have met many people from many lands, including some who were well educated. Evidently one of his friends was a trained physician. Don't forget that he lived on the edge of two very advanced civilizations (Persian and Byzantine) from which this knowledge came. People who are illiterate often have very good memories for information to make up for the fact that they can't store this information in writing form. In addition, there is at least one sahih hadith which supports the claim that he could read and write (when he asked for a pen and writing material to write something down). Even if for the sake of argument we agree he heard it from somewhere, did he also hear the other things,how did he manage to know which one is accurate ,despite the different school of thought that may have existed? He mentioned barrier between seas,uniqueness of fingerprint,spot on brain for lie and deceit, levels of atmospheres,position for human memory,e.t.c? There is no barrier between any seas. Salt and fresh water mix, though differences in salinity and temperature can cause a brief layering which makes it seem like they don't mix, but they do (yes I've seen that picture from Alaska and that's what I'm talking about.) Levels of atmospheres? Seven layers, right? But then why does the Quran say that the stars are in the closest layer? Wrong. And any fool can see that fingerprints are all different. etc.
If everything is predestined then there is no test, since you are going to do just what you were destined to do. And your lovely Allah is going to put you in hell for doing what he programmed you to do. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 9:21pm On Dec 28, 2015 |
onetrack: 1 . In Islam we don't appreciate narrations without reference, you should please mention the name of the physician friend and reference where you got that from. The prophet (peace be upon him) at moment of receiving revelations he used to have a scribe, that is why some Quran verse have phrases like "say (o Muhammad)" he can't read or write, but if you insist bring your evidence. Quran Surah fussilat :12 mentioned lowest heavens not atmosphere. "And We adorned the nearest (lowest) heaven with lamps (stars) to be an adornment as well as to guard (from the devils by using them as missiles against the devils). Such is the Decree of Him the All-Mighty, the All-Knower." I strongly recommend you do the experiment in your kitchen with salt water and ordinary,add different food colouring to each and see for yourself...and i can go on refutting your claim about the science of quran. 2. What God wrote in the book of destiny was as a result of his knowledge of our individual weaknesses and strenght ,just like a teacher knows who will come first and last because of his assessment of student at beginning of semester,although this can not be compared to the kind of knowledge of God. 1 Like |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 11:47pm On Dec 28, 2015 |
elhakiimed: His name is al-Harith bin Kaladah. Quran Surah fussilat :12 mentioned lowest heavens not atmosphere. Ok well then which verse are you referring to when talking about the atmosphere? I've seen claims that the seven heavens refer to the layers of the atmosphere. And as you know the stars are not used to throw at devils. Meteorites are much different than stars and are random rocks that burn up in the earth's atmosphere. I strongly recommend you do the experiment in your kitchen with salt water and ordinary,add different food colouring to each and see for yourself...and i can go on refutting your claim about the science of quran. Put them side by side and they will mix. In addition, if salt and fresh water do not mix, then why are there not vast pools of freshwater that have built up over thousands of years as rivers drain into the oceans?
There is a hadith which says that you can spend your entire life doing good things, but then at the very end your destiny will take over and you will do something that will send you to hell. And that the opposite is also true. And there is nothing you can do about it. In addition another hadith states that your destiny is written while still in the womb and that includes whether or not you will go to heaven or hell. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 11:56pm On Dec 28, 2015 |
onetrack: you must have read about estuary, and must have known they have different salinity towards the fresh water and towards the sea water creating barriers,however this barrier cannot be seen but are easily detected with equipments. Historians such as Manfred Ullman and Franz Rosenthal are skeptical about the material referring to bin Kalada. They refer to him as a legendary figure, which has literary allusions to characters of fictitious creation. Professor Gerald Hawting, in his essay The Development of the Biography of al-Harith ibn Kalada and the Relationship between Medicine and Islam, writes: “In these latter sources the information about al-Harith is fragmentary, references to his profession as a doctor are not consistent and, where they occur, tend to be incidental, and there seems to be little information about the nature of his medicine or detail about his life.” For more details please refer to Khalid al- Khazaraji’s and Elias Kareem’s essay Was al- Harith bin Kaladah the Source of the Prophet’s Medical Knowledge.” Allah-majestic glorious does not frustrate the effort of anyone, disbelieve may not start in a day,it must have lingered in the heart for sometime. Our destiny is written by God,the lifespan,wealth status,etc. in womb,Allah has all knowledge of our capability,and in his knowledge he knows the end before we even begin. But we are limited in seeing,hearing ,and even thinking. |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by DEIFIED(m): 6:47am On Dec 29, 2015 |
Directly in front of my house is a Catholic church.
Twice daily they congregate. And twice daily they
interrupt my peace and my freedom of
movement. They normally block roads until they
are done with service before I can drive out.
I have contemplated so many actions including
blocking them before they block me. It's not
been easy to control myself but I have managed
to.
Two weeks ago, there was water shortage in the
estate. As I got out with jerrican to send for
water, the church guard yelled out something
while walking towards me. But because use I
was so filled with angry towards everything about
them, I just kept going. The guard ran very fast
to catch up to me. Until I heard a panting voice
said "Aunty we have water" as he pointed
towards the Church.
So, I reluctantly went with him to get two
jerricans of water.
little did I know that simple unsolicited favor will
change my attitude towards them.
Because I had a change of attitude, I was able
to see them in a possitive light, their noise
became music, their rowdy crowd became
gathered friends and family, the threat became
protection, what seemed permanent
inconveniences became temporary and the
church became sacred.
Today is Christmas, I went there to help feed the
orphans. After the exercise we got talking, then
they soon realised the discomfort they had
caused me. They apologised and created way to
permanently free my driveway and they told me
they are about moving to their permanent site.
And guest what? I will miss them.
The fact is, sentiments cloud sound judgement
and is unproductive. But to have the ability to
catch yourself doing it and hence retreat, is
simply gracious.
I hope you learn something from my story.
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you all
humble folks of mighty BCO/BSO. May the holy
season brings us glad tidings and May all our
wishes come true in 2016 (Amen)
My name is Miriam Yakubu Ikunaiye; a Muslim
and a friend of an entire church congregation 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by onetrack(m): 1:50pm On Dec 29, 2015 |
elhakiimed: Read the essay already. Of course much of it is speculation, as are the hadiths. However, this represents the strong possibility that there were educated people who traveled or who lived in the area. I cannot assume that everyone around Muhammad were ignorant bedouins, as it clearly was not the case. There were well-traveled people who were familiar with aspects of Byzantine and Persian culture. I have to conclude that Muhammad's info about science came from other people.
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence ~ Christopher Hitchens |
Re: 7 Leading Advocates Of Atheism Who Abandoned Atheism. by elhakiimed(m): 10:55am On Jan 05, 2016 |
onetrack: In light of this, the Prophet(peace be upon him) copying bin Kalada is highly improbable as it is irrational to assert that an educated physician would convert to Islam, and follow the Prophet’s message, had he known or suspected the Prophet of copying his work on embryology. It is for me to inform about Islam, Allah guides the heart of whom he will. Surah Al-Ala, Verse 9: Therefore remind (men) in case the reminder profits (them). Surah Yunus, Verse 25: And Allah invites to the abode of peace and guides whom He pleases into the right path. I hope for the best for you. |
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