flamingREED:
Finally,

Kumuyi's miracles are genuine.

You don't want to go and witness them yourself,
Nor do you believe the testimony of those that have experienced them,

In science facts are affirmed with control experiments
Why not, at least, attend a crusade organised by him with a relative or a near kin or a neighbour who's sick,

And then exercise the faith you're expected to exercise in prayers

Before trying to dispute their verity.

It takes a fractionally-distilled hypocrite to biasedly rival God the way you do

he is no rivaling God, he is just pointing out how we have derailed Christianity in Nigeria.

Lexxyfund:
All what u typed, So true... but God really exist.. from an ex-atheist ,..I started believing when I saw something that paralysis my thought.. don't ask me what I saw.. bcus u won't believe even as a believer

Bros tell me. I'll believe.

blueseacats:
1 Thessalonians 4:11-12 Ecclesiastes 9:10 you must be a pastor, so I will show those verses you chose to ignore.

Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.
Ecclesiastes:5:19 this solely belong to those who serve God cos
The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger: but they that seek the LORD shall not want any good thing.
Psalm:34:10

Funny most times the gullible ones think others gullible.
Unfortunately,I never see many posts on Salvation of Souls.Pple can write an epistle on how people "waste"N500,N50, even N10 weekly in churches.But never see the Stupidity in buying injurious liquors and beer,patronizing prostitutes and paying high to sleep with prostitutes.
If people deem wasting their monies going for parties,shows etc,enjoyment.Leave us the gullible ones to waste it on those we call the men of God.Afterall people dey play Baba ijebu and dem no complain.
Btw signs,wonders,miracles and prophesies are usually for non-believers.

Lexxyfund:
All what u typed, So true... but God really exist.. from an ex-atheist ,..I started believing when I saw something that paralysis my thought.. don't ask me what I saw.. bcus u won't believe even as a believer

i dont need to believe any testimony to believe in God.

kallmemrB:

Every man also to whom God hath given riches and wealth, and hath given him power to eat thereof, and to take his portion, and to rejoice in his labour; this is the gift of God.
Ecclesiastes:5:19

In his labor right? Thank you. The Chinese are rejoicing in their labor. Nigerians are waiting for miracle 2026

derecho:
Funny most times the gullible ones think others gullible.
Unfortunately,I never see many posts on Salvation of Souls.Pple can write an epistle on how people "waste"N500,N50, even N10 weekly in churches.But never see the Stupidity in buying injurious liquors and beer,patronizing prostitutes and paying high to sleep with prostitutes.
If people deem wasting their monies going for parties,shows etc,enjoyment.Leave us the gullible ones to waste it on those we call the men of God.Afterall people dey play Baba ijebu and dem no complain.
Btw signs,wonders,miracles and prophesies are usually for non-believers.

God bless you

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:14:1

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Proverbs:1:7

emusmith:
The carnal mind understandeth NOT the things of the Spirit neither can he know them. Why? They are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED or understood.
1 Cor. 2:14.

Op and his likes: It is the end that always justifies the means. A day comes, when every knee will bow to HIM who made it.

You mock divine miracles: Soon, you will need it and God will laugh because man, from the beginning, has depended on his infinitesimal wisdom and that has failed him. Truly, God's wisdom is foolishness to the wise. Salvation is what you need to truly be alive.


Jesus, all the way!!!

the op is wrong on the miracle stuff.many in niger including some testimonies are fake.but the money pastors have in this country needs to be tasked.what is harvest,thansking it is simply give me money for being ur pastor

AnakinSkywalker:



The doctors never claimed to heal like the biblical Jesus did.

The doctors? It's now the name of one person?

byteHead:
Smh for religion

what rocks ur boat.ironically the first surgoun to carry out heart transplant was a christain

kallmemrB:
God bless you

The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm:14:1

Abeg leave them.They love to see Men of God poor.But their Senators ,celebs,every other person deserve good life except pastors

erusen:
the op is wrong on the miracle stuff.many in niger including some testimonies are fake.but the money pastors have in this country needs to be tasked.what is harvest,thansking it is simply give me money for being ur pastor

Harvest is biblical. My church doesn't do that anyway. However, the Bible says, "The priests are to live and eat from the sacrifices and offerings of the people."

It's God's way of paying them for job weldone. Don't employers pay their employees? TRULY, THE HEART OF MAN IS DESPERATELY WICKED.

If they go begging na, you guys will still say something. You know why? The DEVIL IS THE ONE BEHIND THIS BLASPHEMY! I KNOW THAT!

The pastors will forever keep eating from the tithes and offerings of the people because it's a command! Some left their certificates and good jobs for it, you know?

emusmith:


The doctors? It's now the name of one person?

Really? You really typed the above.
I will save us the time and effort, please.

''I hereby drop my golden pen in my basket of love''.

obasy09:
What I always wonder about is why are the supposedly less religious nations (e.g. Germany, USA, Britain) prosperous while the overtly religious ones (e.g. Nigeria, Zimbabwe, Ghana)wallow in poverty, inequality and apparently full of social vices?

more than 70% of germany are christains,holland and belgium,france ,saudi arabia are religous.it has more to do with the illetracy of the nigga community

emusmith:


Harvest is biblical. My church doesn't do that anyway. However, the Bible says, "The priests are to live and eat from the sacrifices and offerings of the people."

It's God's way of paying them for job weldone. Don't employers pay their employees? TRULY, THE HEART OF MAN IS DESPERATELY WICKED.

If they go begging na, you guys will still say something. You know why? The DEVIL IS THE ONE BEHIND THIS BLASPHEMY! I KNOW THAT!

The pastors will forever keep eating from the tithes and offerings of the people because it's a command! Some left their certificates and good jobs for it, you know?

why are institutes built by churches are unaffordable

AnakinSkywalker:



Really? You really typed the above.
I will save us the time and effort, please.

''I hereby drop my golden pen in my basket of love''.

You need to...after all, you've chosen the path of pessimism and not doing anything people can praise you for but pointing fingers at God's own Servants, calling them fake...

God is still on the throne and His commensurate reward with Him.

emusmith:


You need to...after all, you've chosen the path of pessimism and not doing anything people can praise you for but pointing fingers at God's own Servants, calling them fake...

God is still on the throne and His commensurate reward with Him.

''I hereby drop my golden pen in my basket of love''

Revelation 2:25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come... Op, no one force anybody to believe in gospel, people are only admonished to... So leave people to their beliefs and hold on to yours also.. Don't just come here to say what you conceived in your head believing you and the few people praising you are the wisest among millions who go to the church.. You believe in miracles or not people that need it are still getting theirs, so it makes no difference you believing it or not.. Leave the pastors to God to judge... Heavenly mind Christians shouldn't really pay much attention to all these articles, beware of false teachers /prophets...

stolid:


Muslims won't come to this thread and call someone a fool because they don't collude in the same ideologies as them.

Even Christianity in itself is fraught with too many factions: The Pentecostals, Catholics, C&S, Jehovah Witnesses etc. These factions all practice different doctrines. Some believe in Tithing under compulsion, some don't. Some believe in Hell, some don't. Tell me, do you mean everyone who doesn't practice and believe in what you do will go to Hell? How sure are you that the religion you believe in and practice is the right one? How sure are you that the faction of religion whose doctrines you hold to heart is the ONE?

To acquire a more profound understanding of life and its attendant mysteries, you sometimes need to question your own faith even as a religious folk. Only through open-mindedness and reasonable inquisitions, will you gain a more profound understanding of the universe and act right.

are u a muslim?.

Perfectly said op..am Happy most people's eyes have been open to see the light.Fake prophets everywhere. Psychologically gulping money from their congregation.i went with a friend to a church one day in bariga area of Lagos.i won't mention the name of the church ,on getting there the Pastor was an igbo Man.and to my greatest suprise during the sermon he just paused and said the lord told me to tell you all to sow a seed before the year runs out.sow a seed for the ongoing church project. The lord has asked 10 people to cum out and volunteer to donate 100 thousand naira each to make up 1 million naira.i was shocked,annoyed and speechless.after about ten minutes of repeatyn the same thing 1 person came out, the pastor continued repeatyn the same tyn and My friend who doesn't even earn up to 50k and doesn't even have any money in his bank account came forward and agreed to donate 100k just for church project. That was when I knew that sum Men of God manipulate people.if most of you know bariga area of lagos well,ull know that most people that stay there are the low and middle income earners 100k per person for 10 people was not something easy for them to come up with.in the end sha. People sluggishly came out and agreed to donate the money.i was patient enough to wait till the end of the service.then my stupid friend came forward to meet me that why ddnt I cum forward and contribute to God's church that shey I'm earning well at my place of work.i ddnt even mind that it was sunday I told him he was Mad for telling me that, and he was also Mad and hypnotized for consentyn to donate that kind of money when he knew it wud wreck his finance.he smiled and told me that pastor won't be happy with him if he ddnt go out.i just shaked my head for him and asked him if he was ready to go stepped into my car and headed home.on our way home the idiot told me to lend him 50k so he wud look for the oda 50k sumwhere else to pay up cos he has to pay before the next sunday service.i just parked my car immediately an told him to get out..the guy was so shocked and amazed at why I did that.am sure u must be wondering why I did that? My reason is simple if a matured man could be so gullible to fall Mugu for that kind of psychological Manipulation from his fellow Man,his days are numbered on planet earth.i never spoke to that My friend again till date I was so furious and filled with rage.bloody hypocrites!!!let's say no to fake prophets#

erusen:
why are institutes built by churches are unaffordable

It's built by churches so ushers, choristers and children teachers should come and teach the undergraduates?

What makes people send their kids there is not because a church built it. It's because it meets all the infrastructural and intellectual requirements.
To get that done, you must employ Top-Notch and qualified lecturers, most may not be from that church.

You must pay them better than their previous jobs OR speak in tongues (for people to still criticize the church for biting more than they could chew)

You don't expect the church, with all theitheir management skills, to start paying teachers with church money. They'll run at a loss, if you understand economics.

Church isn't all about blowing tongues and preaching. You need a brain and courage. Joshua 1:5-9. Because, people like this op and the rest will criticize.

harios:
Some one mentioned 90% of the pastors are fake. I am a christian and I think that in Nigeria and Africa, fake pastors and priest are close to 95-97%. It is only about 3-5% that I, think are fair enough to be called pastors or priest in Nigeria and Africa specifically. There is no spiritual descernment to this fact. It is a very clear fact. After so many years of job haunting and the rest of it.. some one suddenly picks up and says he is the General Oversee of one ministry or church...That is what you see in Nigeria. I suggest a legislature on illegal religious building or activities.

exactly ... the same priests that molested lil boys and girls blessed some families , they life became better .. but other families kids future spoilt because of the molestation.

so tomorrow when the priest is finally caught , the Catholic church will excommunicate him or whatever , the family of the kids will be in crisis ... but that man or woman the priest prayed for that now have jobs , kids or good health will be confused as to whether or not the man na fake.

that sums up 21st cent religion... how a man can have private jets (worldly things). & still remain rooted in Christ is a big question.

well if after all their wealth they still pastors (in Christ). or become merely motivational speakers quoting scripture is for The gods to know .

flamingREED:
Let me use this opportunity to worship Him that saved me from masturbation, lying, stealing, watching porn, abusing others and committing many sins:

His name is Jesus.
I know He lives and loves me more than any pained critic.

1 Praise to the Holiest in the height,
and in the depth be praise, --
in all his words most wonderful,
most sure in all his ways.


2 O loving wisdom of our God!
when all was sin and shame,
a second Adam to the fight
and to the rescue came.


3 O wisest love! that flesh and blood,
which did in Adam fail,
should strive afresh against the foe,
should strive and should prevail.


4 O generous love! that he who smote
in Man, for man, the foe,
the double agony in Man
for man should undergo;


4 And in the garden secretly,
and on the Cross on high,
should teach his brethren, and inspire
to suffer and to die.


5 Praise to the Holiest in the height,
and in the depth be praise, --
in all his words most wonderful,
most sure in all his ways.

I will always praise and serve my God,the God of gods and king of kings,there is none like him.

blueseacats:
Yea, that's your personal believe really, Chinese don't pay tithe, yet they are the fastest growing economy in the world, and have now become the richest, whatever happens to hard work.

And you think you are making it cuz of your hard work? You cannot work hard more than some,there are some that do not work as hard as you do but they are prosperous. You think you are where you are cuz of your strength? I pray you do not experience one mishap or fall prey to sickness then you will realize you are living by God's grace.

For you poster, only a fool says there is no God,yes there are fake pastors but to say miracles are not real i just pitied you and those that believe your post. That you are alive is a miracle,you think it is your eating healthy or your exercise that keeps you?

Lexxyfund:
All what u typed, So true... but God really exist.. from an ex-atheist ,..I started believing when I saw something that paralysis my thought.. don't ask me what I saw.. bcus u won't believe even as a believer

Egbon wetin u see jor?

emusmith:
The carnal mind understandeth NOT the things of the Spirit neither can he know them. Why? They are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED or understood.
1 Cor. 2:14.

Op and his likes: It is the end that always justifies the means. A day comes, when every knee will bow to HIM who made it.

You mock divine miracles: Soon, you will need it and God will laugh because man, from the beginning, has depended on his infinitesimal wisdom and that has failed him. Truly, God's wisdom is foolishness to the wise. Salvation is what you need to truly be alive.


Jesus, all the way!!!

my challenge with you all is that you think God thinks like us. He's not biased like u and I. For thinking like that you're speaking blasphemy against his holy ways. No one can correctly predict God's mind you know...don't think for God. We all have a purpose on earth, mine maybe to make u a better believer, and the OP's could be to throw consciousness into our gullibility. But at the end, we are all quite disposable and those who makes it to heaven will only do so by his special GRACE according to the bible. Don't judge yet. Religion has killed more than it has created.

derecho:
Funny most times the gullible ones think others gullible.
Unfortunately,I never see many posts on Salvation of Souls.Pple can write an epistle on how people "waste"N500,N50, even N10 weekly in churches.But never see the Stupidity in buying injurious liquors and beer,patronizing prostitutes and paying high to sleep with prostitutes.
If people deem wasting their monies going for parties,shows etc,enjoyment.Leave us the gullible ones to waste it on those we call the men of God.Afterall people dey play Baba ijebu and dem no complain.
Btw signs,wonders,miracles and prophesies are usually for non-believers.

God bless you richly bro, don't really know why these guys are so concerned about us paying offerings and tithes, it's our money and not theirs...

mcdon1986:

yes truly there are fake pastor..... let me ask you do you think government can truly regulate what ought to be spiritual from the stand point of the natural(human policy). the western aim towards Christianity is not to regulate it but to kill it and the reason why they've succeeded this far, it's because the Christian there are fake, they missed it when they began to like things outside the boundary of God, and if Nigeria Christians fails to rise up against the quackery of Christian movements in Nigeria, our case will not be different from that of the western community where fear for God and Godly, even moral standard has fallen, over in the west

Yet people like you are ready to lie and beg your way into their supposedly debauched country.

I will not criticise Islam because I don't want someone to issue fatwa on me..

now to xtianity... the Jews didn't bring us xfianity ... the whites did ! the same whites that turned our forefathers to PROPERTY. and killing a black man amounted to the same thing as breaking your kitchen table lol

their pastors encouraged their followers to be racist as black men are not humans , yet even after blacks helped America win the war they were still not fully recognised as human beings .

yet it is this same foreign religion we carrying on our head? ... slowly the whites edited xtianity to include mini skirt to church , premarital sex , body piercings , tattoos , now homosexuality etc

yet we still carrying it on our head... Gambia presido just declared Gambia the "Islamic republic of Gambia". in a move he claims takes them further away from their colonial past Islam? another imported religion lmao .

our forefathers sacrficed twins and the practice worked. they sacrificed children goats etc to end droughts and it worked for them . they stopped sacrifices and started praying to the white man's God's and it worked . if they do stop anything religious... it will still work lol

It is fashionable for failures to blame others. Churches have become convenient targets of blame for the woes of Nigeria and Africa. How foolishly easy! You should thank the church for succouring the army of despondent people whose lives are daily ripped apart by the near collapse of state institutions across Africa.

The grouse of those blaming the church is an offshoot of envy. The financial prosperity of the church is what is actually eating them up, nothing more. Their dream goal is to push through laws that would bind churches to pay tax. This is what all this nonsensical bout entails.

JESUS cannot be stopped! You die trying to stop His march!

Lexxyfund:
All what u typed, So true... but God really exist.. from an ex-atheist ,..I started believing when I saw something that paralysis my thought.. don't ask me what I saw.. bcus u won't believe even as a believer

what did you see