Lexyl:

@Fehmmmy, The law enforcement should do their job.

And what is their jobs when they are busy collecting money.
I think the law enforcement needed a complete overhaul as well.

i agree with you fehmmmy

anyone got pictures of Oshodi??

Is the rainway project an FG project too?

Wondering when last I entered Lagos. Hope Uncle Fash transforms Lag to Lon before the end of this year. Who know, I might change my vacation from Cal to Lag!

FG is the bane of Nigeria. I saw on internet a rivulet pothole's picture, the first thing that came to my mind was "this must be FG road. You cannot sit in Abuja and think you know what is happenning in Lagos. I think state governments should be given more right of ownership on resources in their states.

Nigeria is a crazy world, it's only in here FG will say, this is not my party state; therefore, I won't help the state or this region is more developed and we don't have to contribute anything there.

The govt needs to get rid of Molue's and the only way they can do that is to have more BRT and LAGBUS buses, improve water transportation and get the rail transportation going.

moneygurl:

The govt needs to get rid of Molue's and the only way they can do that is to have more BRT and LAGBUS buses, improve water transportation and get the rail transportation going.

Government should just get rid of the Molue’s? Is this just so you can feel better with BRT buses that are more appealing to the eye, or something? So, are molues really the problem here? Aren’t we to consider that those buses belong to Lagosians who go to work day and night in them to make money? I mean should Molue’s now be banned(though I am not sure what is illegal in running a legit transportation business) simply because they seem an eye sore? 


I mean how exactly do you think the government go about getting rid of the molues? Exchanging the old machines for new ones at next to no cost, or by offering them micro loans or something to help? Does that sound reasonable? Is some private company going to come in to save the day by giving all molue owners brand new buses? Is the government going to hire all molues buses, and conductors to the BRT?

moneygurl:

The govt needs to get rid of Molue's and the only way they can do that is to have more BRT and LAGBUS buses, improve water transportation and get the rail transportation going.

I do not agree with that, in a nation where everyone has to fend for themselves, where the companies aint hiring, what will happen to all the drivers, or even people that owns those buses, they shd go and jump into the lagoos?
i think it is time the govt find a solution to how the BRT and other tranx coys will be able to all work together in peace and harmony.
The thugs "agberos" shd be arrested and locked away.
people selling on the street should be dealt with, however, provide them with better place to sell their stuff.

Kobojunkie:

Government should just get rid of the Molue’s? Is this just so you can feel better with BRT buses that are more appealing to the eye, or something? So, are molues really the problem here? Aren’t we to consider that those buses belong to Lagosians who go to work day and night in them to make money? I mean should Molue’s now be banned(though I am not sure what is illegal in running a legit transportation business) simply because they seem an eye sore? 


I mean how exactly do you think the government go about getting rid of the molues? Exchanging the old machines for new ones at next to no cost, or by offering them micro loans or something to help? Does that sound reasonable? Is some private company going to come in to save the day by giving all molue owners brand new buses? Is the government going to hire all molues buses, and conductors to the BRT?

i believe he is talking about a gradual phasing out of molues.

Not only are BRT more appealing to the eye, they are safe and less polluting.

This all boils down to a poor maintenance culture.

bawomolo:

i believe he is talking about a gradual phasing out of molues.

Not only are BRT more appealing to the eye, they are safe and less polluting.

This all boils down to a poor maintenance culture.

Gradual phasing out of molues? Did you skip the second paragraph in my post there?

sashbaby:

fashola cant be every where, it is the state government law enforcement agency to sustain and ensure that the roads are motorable.they are paid to carryout their duties.those agencies should be held responsible for the relapse.

sashbaby:

typical nigerian answer,always passing the bulk.the governor having put things aright is left for lagosians as a whole to maintain such

no its not a typical nigerian answer, the stae government law enforcement agency is under him, in fact everything is under him! he takes the blame when things are bad and take the brownie points when things go well

Kobojunkie:

Government should just get rid of the Molue’s? Is this just so you can feel better with BRT buses that are more appealing to the eye, or something? So, are molues really the problem here? Aren’t we to consider that those buses belong to Lagosians who go to work day and night in them to make money? I mean should Molue’s now be banned(though I am not sure what is illegal in running a legit transportation business) simply because they seem an eye sore? 


I mean how exactly do you think the government go about getting rid of the molues? Exchanging the old machines for new ones at next to no cost, or by offering them micro loans or something to help? Does that sound reasonable? Is some private company going to come in to save the day by giving all molue owners brand new buses? Is the government going to hire all molues buses, and conductors to the BRT?

Yes, ban molue's in phases. The government should give the drivers the first option to train and get employment to drive the BRT or LAGBUS. Just like the government is doing with the taxis, some of the people driving the new taxis are cab drivers who have abandoned their rickety yellow and black cabs and some of the people who own cabs are drivers themselves who got loan from banks and joined with a company to get to the 200 minimum the government requires.

moneygurl:

The govt needs to get rid of Molue's and the only way they can do that is to have more BRT and LAGBUS buses, improve water transportation and get the rail transportation going.

it will be totally unreasonable for the govt to get rid of molues, same thing happening in oshodi will happen if he ban them now, when there are no alternatives people will go back to what they are use to especially something in great demand! there was no alternative for people selling in Oshodi, parking laws are relaxed again and gradually we get back to square one.

And these are genuine business anyway, what the govt should do for those not willing to give up their bus for BRT/LAGBUS is to insist on very high MOT standards that expires every three months! special drivers license, compulsory insurance and tax. that way those lazy operators will join the lagbus union or fix up with tighter regulations

It remains to be seen whether anytghing Fash did will endure. If it doesn't, he will also lose I think. But the way he went about this thing was not designed to last. SPECTACULAR but not to last. The human element is the problem in most traffic situations. He has not addressed the issue of police taking bribe to allow ppl park indiscriminately. If police did their job, that situation wikll not even arise. But I don't think the political will is there. And I doubt Fash has the guts to challenge area boys, so,

And what is their jobs when they are busy collecting money.
I think the law enforcement needed a complete overhaul as well.

Thats where the need for state police comes in, Lagos need a police that is not answerable to Abuja before carring out any assignment. Imagine a police that are well kitted, trained and resides within the community not in the baracks.

Dis Guy:

it will be totally unreasonable for the govt to get rid of molues, same thing happening in oshodi will happen if he ban them now, when there are no alternatives people will go back to what they are use to especially something in great demand! there was no alternative for people selling in Oshodi, parking laws are relaxed again and gradually we get back to square one.

And these are genuine business anyway, what the govt should do for those not willing to give up their bus for BRT/LAGBUS is to insist on very high MOT standards that expires every three months! special drivers license, compulsory insurance and tax. that way those lazy operators will join the lagbus union or fix up with tighter regulations

I answered the first part of your statement, when I said the only way this can happen is to provide more BRT, LAGBUS, Water, etc and the second part I answered that too above.

walata44:



Thats where the need for state police comes in, Lagos need a police that is not answerable to Abuja before carring out any assignment. Imagine a police that is well kitted, trained and resides within the community not in the baracks.

that will be a good a$$ kickers

He has not addressed the issue of police taking bribe to allow ppl park indiscriminately

Fasola do not have control over the police in his state, he his only chief security officer by mouth. Okiro control Lagos state police.

moneygurl:

Yes, ban molue's in phases. The government should give the drivers the first option to train and get employment to drive the BRT or LAGBUS. Just like the government is doing with the taxis, some of the people driving the new taxis are cab drivers who have abandoned their rickety yellow and black cabs and some of the people who own cabs are drivers themselves who got loan from banks and joined with a company to get to the 200 minimum the government requires.

Do you realize how many thousands of molue drivers and conductors that would be? You are actually suggesting the government become employer of thousands of molue drivers and conductors we have in that state now? So, the government will spend 100’s of millions to procure buses for the trained drivers to drive, millions for training them and them millions more to pay their wages each month? Is that really the burden you want a state like Lagos to take on?

The government is not doing anything with the taxis. Those Taxis are currently privately funded and we are yet to know how profitable the venture will be considering I read that the drivers are paying for their vehicles  through some micro-loan scheme.

Do you realize how many thousands of molue drivers and conductors that would be? You are actually suggesting the government become employer of thousands of molue drivers and conductors we have in that state now? So, the government will spend 100’s of millions to procure buses for the trained drivers to drive, millions for training them and them millions more to pay their wages each month? Is that really the burden you want a state like Lagos to take on?

The government is not doing anything with the taxis. Those Taxis are currently privately funded and we are yet to know how profitable the venture will be considering I read that the drivers are paying for their vehicles  through some micro-loan scheme.

There is nothing bad in phasing out molues from the state road, what is bad in training them and give them road worthy buses to drive and pay them wages since the buses are not free to travel on.

Kobojunkie:

Do you realize how many thousands of molue drivers and conductors that would be? You are actually suggesting the government become employer of thousands of molue drivers and conductors we have in that state now? So, the government will spend 100’s of millions to procure buses for the trained drivers to drive, millions for training them and them millions more to pay their wages each month? Is that really the burden you want a state like Lagos to take on?

The government is not doing anything with the taxis. Those Taxis are currently privately funded and we are yet to know how profitable the venture will be considering I read that the drivers are paying for their vehicles  through some micro-loan scheme.

That is why the have to go through training, not everyone will be able to be employed. The other forms of transportation such as water, etc can take some of the workers too. And yes the govt. needs a lot of buses to meet the transportation situation in Lagos, and their salaries will be paid from the money that people pay to enter the buses, that is what is currently happening now.

I never said the government is the one funding the taxis, but is the government setting the rules , and the government has involved the Lagos Taxis Association in the process, that is why cab drivers are willing to join. As for making money well we have to wait and see, you have to realize this is not the first batch of private cabs launched by the state. they started it summer of last year and I am sure or hope those private investors who  just joined the initiative will have done their part in doing the research to see if there is money to be made in the business.

moneygurl:

That is why the have to go through training, not everyone will be able to be employed. The other forms of transportation such as water, etc can take some of the workers too. And yes the govt. needs a lot of buses to meet the transportation situation in Lagos, and their salaries will be paid from the money that people pay to enter the buses, that is what is currently happening now.

Wait a second, your idea is for Government to take away their molues( their means of livelihood), send them to training with no guarantee that there will be a job afterwards. And you do not see reason why there are currently Molues on the road even with BRTs in place?? Lol

Other forms of Transportation? You are still suggesting the GOVERNMENT should take on the burden of employing thousands more transportation workers ( NOTE: Just in Transportation alone).

moneygurl:


I never said the government is the one funding the taxis, but is the government setting the rules , and the government has involved the Lagos Taxis Association in the process, that is why cab drivers are willing to join. As for making money well we have to wait and see, you have to realize this is not the first batch of private cabs launched by the state. they started it summer of last year and I am sure or hope those private investors who  just joined the initiative will have done their part in doing the research to see if there is money to be made in the business.

These are someone's father and mother that has month to feed.
So i guess when the kids are hungry at night, they would tell the kinds to just wait and let us see how we will make money?
I dont see why they shd phase out Molue, i think they shd find a way to make molue a better ride, infact, i dont see lagos being Lagos without Molue, they could build them better to be more secured and safe, but not to phase them out, besides, where is the jobs and how many Molue drivers will be able to get a job as water cab drivers when they cant even swim, how many of them will be employed as train operator? i dont think that is possible.
Like i mentioned, they could find a way to make it better, secured and safe and leave them alone on the hands of the owners.
However, the touts needed to be dealt with and that is where the law enforcement agent will come in, arrest any tout at sight and make sure face the law of the land.

Typical Nigerian (actually more like African) culture of not keeping things maintained. . . . .

Kobojunkie:


Wait a second, your idea is for Government to take away their molues( their means of livelihood), send them to training with no guarantee that there will be a job afterwards. And you do not see reason why there are currently Molues on the road even with BRTs in place?? Lol

Other forms of Transportation? You are still suggesting the GOVERNMENT should take on the burden of employing thousands more transportation workers ( NOTE: Just in Transportation alone).

Yes, if they pass the training they get the job. The only reason why there are still molue's even with BRT buses is because there are not enough BRT and LAGBUS to meet the population.

The government does not directly have to take the burden since the private sector is the one employing them, just like the cab is the private sector but the partnership with the government and the Lagos cab association is helping cab drivers to get job with the new cab initiative. And you make is sound as if transportation is free, the money been made will be used to pay the workers, just as its currently happening now.

moneygurl:

Yes, if they pass the training they get the job. The only reason why there are still molue's even with BRT buses is because there are not enough BRT and LAGBUS to meet the population.

I am not sure you actually understand what I am getting at here. If we can be reasonable for a minute here, I am sure we can boat land on the same page in this.

Now, If the training is conditional, why would a Molue driver, knowing full well that his chances of getting a job post training is 50/50, have real incentive to leave his current job which he has done for years and has no problems with?

The Government already handles all the BRT buses currently. Purchasing more buses will require government SPENDING MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY on these buses. After this, Government would have to SPEND MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY on paying these new drivers. Is the current system Profitable? Is Government currently bringing in enough to take the burden of handling wages from the People onto BRT wholly at this point?

What happens to this system if anything happens to Fashola? Remember LSTC?

moneygurl:

The government does not directly have to take the burden since the private sector is the one employing them, just like the cab is the private sector but the partnership with the government and the Lagos cab association is helping cab drivers to get job with the new cab initiative. And you make is sound as if transportation is free, the money been made will be used to pay the workers, just as its currently happening now.

The partnership with private sector, according to you is too new for private companies to decide to take on even more, if you ask me. On the other hand, most of the current Molues are already managed by the private sector( If I am not mistaken, majority of the molue drivers are already employed by private companies who they drive for). What incentive is there for these companies to now decide to purchase brand new/better looking buses if up until now they have not felt to do just that?

Gradual phasing out of molues? Did you skip the second paragraph in  my post there?

I don't think anyone is arguing with you that transportation should be a private initiative.  Government subsidies or grants are however inevitable when it comes to transportation.

I dont see why they shd phase out Molue, i think they shd find a way to make molue a better ride, infact, i dont see lagos being Lagos without Molue,

i guess pollution and lack of safety is cool.

Fhemmmy:

These are someone's father and mother that has month to feed.
So i guess when the kids are hungry at night, they would tell the kinds to just wait and let us see how we will make money?
I dont see why they shd phase out Molue, i think they shd find a way to make molue a better ride, infact, i dont see lagos being Lagos without Molue, they could build them better to be more secured and safe, but not to phase them out, besides, where is the jobs and how many Molue drivers will be able to get a job as water cab drivers when they cant even swim, how many of them will be employed as train operator? i dont think that is possible.
Like i mentioned, they could find a way to make it better, secured and safe and leave them alone on the hands of the owners.
However, the touts needed to be dealt with and that is where the law enforcement agent will come in, arrest any tout at sight and make sure face the law of the land.

Any type of business you do is risky, there is no guarantee you will make money, no matter how well it works for others.

If the government introduces more BRT and LAGBUS and people find it to be cheaper and those molue's are forced out of business because they cannot make profit, is that not a loss of livelihood on their part, too.

bawomolo:

I don't think anyone is arguing with you that transportation should be a private initiative. Government subsidies or grants are however inevitable when it comes to transportation.

That is not the question though. If you read, you will see I am not against helping get rid of Molues but it is not Government's job to take on Molue drivers just so it can say the streets are rid of Molues. They serve a purpose for both driver and consumer. If we are calling on Government to hire them to save the day, we might as well ask why Government did not purchase stores and then hire all Hawkers in bid to get them off the street.

Kobojunkie:

That is not the question though. If you read, you will see I am not against helping get rid of Molues but it is not Government's job to take on Molue drivers just so it can say the streets are rid of Molues. They serve a purpose for both driver and consumer. If we are calling on Government to hire them to save the day, we might as well ask why Government did not purchase stores and then hire all Hawkers in bid to get them off the street.

Oh i agree. Most people do as well

Kobojunkie:

I am not sure you actually understand what I am getting at here. If we can be reasonable for a minute here, I am sure we can boat land on the same page in this.

Now, If the training is conditional, why would a Molue driver, knowing full well that his chances of getting a job post training is 50/50, have real incentive to leave his current job which he has done for years and has no problems with?

The Government already handles all the BRT buses currently. Purchasing more buses will require government SPENDING MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY on these buses. After this, Government would have to SPEND MORE OF OUR TAX MONEY on paying these new drivers. Is the current system Profitable? Is Government currently bringing in enough to take the burden of handling wages from the People onto BRT wholly at this point?

What happens to this system if anything happens to Fashola? Remember LSTC?

The partnership with private sector, according to you is too new for private companies to decide to take on even more, if you ask me. On the other hand, most of the current Molues are already managed by the private sector( If I am not mistaken, majority of the molue drivers are already employed by private companies who they drive for). What incentive is there for these companies to now decide to purchase brand new/better looking buses if up until now they have not felt to do just that?

What is LSTC?

And is the State government the one funding the BRT buses?