dolphinheart:


I dnt know about him tying himself up in a knot, it remains for him to give further explanations on his post with scriptural backing for us to see if he is right or wrong.

I wunt comment on what you said he is trying to say, ill wait for him to give his own explanation.

To ur first question: I do not know all that God can or cannot do or rather will or will not do, therefore I cannot say if its possible or impossible for God to be present at two places at same time. Moreover I'm not an expert on time and dnt know how God views time. But this is what I know from the scriptures

1 ki 8:49 :
then hear from the heavens, your dwelling place, their prayer and their request for favor, and execute judgment for them

John 16:28
I came as the Father’s representative and have come into the world. Now I am leaving the world and am going to the Father.”

Heb 9:24
For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands, which is a copy of the reality, but into heaven itself, so that he now appears before God on our behalf.

The scriptures has been consistent about the location of God and has never mentioned him dwelling in two places at same time.

The second question is dependent on which God you are refering to.
But there has been no mention of jesus who was made flesh still residing in heaven or as a spirit creature while he was on earth. He was always making reference to his leaving, coming from, going back, going to heaven.

I await to hear malvisguy212 answer.

There can never be concurrence on this thread , different different opinions, Pentecostal Christianity, Jehovah witness, Hebrew, bwahahahaha

Blackman, you are finished!!!!

leksbore:
is this trinity in d bible?

are you a christian ?

malvisguy212:

1. Jesus’s humanity is displayed in the fact that he was born as a baby from a
human mother (Luke 2:7)

Yep , jesus was concieved

Jesus is fully God,Jesus is God, but he is
not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Jesus is
God the Son.

The statement "God the son" is not in the scriptures and neither does it have scriptural surpport.

Ur statement above also does not prove jesus was fully God while on earth.
You say "jesus is God" but the bible has giving us numerous instances where God is talking to jesus and giving jesus instructions. Hope you are not trying to say God is talking to himself! As we have read about jesus being in the presence of God also.

2. You said" God the son is not in the bible ? Wrong. John 1:14, says “And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

Again the statement "God the son" cannot be found in these verse.

In context, the Word is God the Son and the word was beggoten from the father.

The statement " the word is God the son " does not have scriptural backing , neither can that statement be found anywhere in the scriptures.

Pls can you explain how the word was begotten from the father?

3. Yes, the holy spirit is God , the holy spirit, he alone know the depth of God;
1 Corinthians 2:10–11
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the
thoughts of a man except the spirit of
the man which is in him? Even so the
thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

Yet jesus says no one knows certain things except God.
Now is your spirit you? or that it knows your thoughts.
Likewise the scriptures did not say the spirit is God but it knows Gods thoughts.

And also Read Acts 5:1-6. According to verse 3, who did Ananias lie to ? HOLY SPIRIT Then in verse 4, who is Ananias accused of lying to? GOD

Is this how you personaly came about the word " God the holy spirit" ?

Why did peter tell ananias that he had lied against God? Because it was God who gave out the holy spirit to them.

Let's examine the scriptures
1 cor 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

Col 1:18
and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

And what did the head of the church do with what was giving from his own head to the congregation?
John 14:26
But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach
you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

Acts 2:33
Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

You can see that the holy spirit came from the father, to act as as guide to the congregation.
Ananias lied not only against the holy spirit who guides the congregation, but lied against the father who is the overall head.
And who is the father?

1 cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Peter had one God who is the father, hence he could rightly say that ananias lied against God who gave the holy spirit.

4. According to Matthew 28:19, the
disciples must baptize in what name?
FATHER,SON and the HOLY SPIRIT. The verse say NAME (singularity) and mention 3 personalities (father, son and holy spirit) which is the Godhead.
In isaiah

Does matt 28:19 call them the Godhead? No

Can you tell us that name you keep emphasising on?
And most importantly , can you give us a scriptural example of such baptism in that singular name.

Note: your reply must contain your own view of the scriptures I quoted .

At this rate Yahweh/Jehovah will be extinct in our mind. Infact 50yrs from now there shall be no GOD but Jesus.

MrPresident1:


Jesus Christ is the image of God, the fullness of the Godhead expressed bodily. Jesus Christ is the full representation of God.

Collosians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

If the fullness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus Christ bodily, it means that Jesus Christ is God bodily, the full express image of the eternally invisible God expressed bodily.

You said it again , jesus is representantion or image .

Read Col 1:19

Jesus is the word made flesh. John 1 tells us that the word was with God and the word was God. If Jesus is the word made flesh and the same word was God, what does that make Jesus

leksbore:
is this trinity in d bible?

The trinity isn't expressly displayed in the Bible but if you're wise and understanding, you'll see it.

At the baptism at the jordan, God the father spoke, expressing his pleasure in Jesus; who is God the son. And God the Holy Spirit descended on the head of Jesus as a dove.

If this doesn't prove the trinity, I don't know what more you want.

You want God to come and tell you there is a trinity abi?

malvisguy212:
are you a christian ?

y do u want to know? I want to ask u the same question also.

samted:


The trinity isn't expressly displayed in the Bible but if you're wise and understanding, you'll see it.

At the baptism at the jordan, God the father spoke, expressing his pleasure in Jesus; who is God the son. And God the Holy Spirit descended on the head of Jesus as a dove.

If this doesn't prove the trinity, I don't know what more you want.

You want God to come and tell you there is a trinity abi?

u r funny. y should God come n tell me abi? you were answering in a perfect way and I did gained a little understanding by your description of the trinity.

I ave this little advice for you,please work on your attitude OK.

leksbore:
u r funny. y should God come n tell me abi? you were answering in a perfect way and I did gained a little understanding by your description of the trinity.

I ave this little advice for you,please work on your attitude OK.

im glad you gained something. sorry bout the attitude

leksbore:
y do u want to know? I want to ask u the same question also.

By his Grace I am a christian , are you ? Yes the word trinity was not in the bible but the concert was teach , the word bible is not in the scripture, but we know the bible is the word of God.

The Bible says that “ONE God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some
type of multiplicity was involved. "Let US create man in OUR IMAGE"( Genesis 1:27). Us indicate more than ONE personalities was involved, and the word "IMAGE" indicate ONE NATURE. If God is three, the verse should've said IMAGES, but no, it say image.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said,
"Here am I. Send me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND"
(ONE GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO FOR US" (more than one personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
However,these three persons are not
three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This
Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from
GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE.
Anti-Trinitarian heresies elevate
humans to the level of God or demote
one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of
those traps!

Matthew 28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all
the nations,baptizing them in the NAME
of the Father and the Son and the Holy
Spirit"

The verse say 3 person (father,son and holy spirit) and the word "NAME" not names, indicate ONE NATURE.

This teaching may contradicte your sense of reasoning, but for a God who is ominipotent,ominiscience omnipresent , its make PERFECT sense.

dolphinheart:

Yep , jesus was concieved



The statement "God the son" is not in the scriptures and neither does it have scriptural surpport.

Ur statement above also does not prove jesus was fully God while on earth.
You say "jesus is God" but the bible has giving us numerous instances where God is talking to jesus and giving jesus instructions. Hope you are not trying to say God is talking to himself! As we have read about jesus being in the presence of God also.


Again the statement "God the son" cannot be found in these verse.


The statement " the word is God the son " does not have scriptural backing , neither can that statement be found anywhere in the scriptures.

Pls can you explain how the word was begotten from the father?


Yet jesus says no one knows certain things except God.
Now is your spirit you? or that it knows your thoughts.
Likewise the scriptures did not say the spirit is God but it knows Gods thoughts.



Is this how you personaly came about the word " God the holy spirit" ?

Why did peter tell ananias that he had lied against God? Because it was God who gave out the holy spirit to them.

Let's examine the scriptures
1 cor 11:3
But I want you to know that the head of every man is the Christ; in turn, the head of a woman is the man; in turn, the head of the Christ is God.

Col 1:18
and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that he might become the one who is first in all things;

And what did the head of the church do with what was giving from his own head to the congregation?
John 14:26
But the helper, the holy spirit, which the Father will send in my name, that one will teach
you all things and bring back to your minds all the things I told you.

Acts 2:33
Therefore, because he was exalted to the right hand of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out what you see and hear.

You can see that the holy spirit came from the father, to act as as guide to the congregation.
Ananias lied not only against the holy spirit who guides the congregation, but lied against the father who is the overall head.
And who is the father?

1 cor 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

Peter had one God who is the father, hence he could rightly say that ananias lied against God who gave the holy spirit.



Does matt 28:19 call them the Godhead? No

Can you tell us that name you keep emphasising on?
And most importantly , can you give us a scriptural example of such baptism in that singular name.

Note: your reply must contain your own view of the scriptures I quoted .

the Holy spirit is a person,He Acts As A Person
a. He teaches (John 14:26)
b. He testifies (John 15:26)
c. He guides into all truth, He hears,
speaks, shows ( John 16:13)
d. He prays for us (Romans 8:26)
He Has The Attributes of A Person,what constitute a person ? Is it not feeling emotion and grieve ? The scripture teaches the holy Spirit has all this attitude. If the Holy spirit has All this attribute, then He is God, a person, He is among the Godhead.

In John 3, Jesus shares how one can
be born-again. In verse 5, what must
take place if a person is to be a born
again Christian? He must be born of
water and the Spirit
Can anyone truly acknowledge Jesus
as Lord and Savior apart from the Holy
Spirit's work in his heart according to 1
Corinthians 12:3? NO

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
ALL three is involved in a person salvation.

malvisguy212:
By his Grace I am a christian , are you ? Yes the word trinity was not in the bible but the concert was teach , the word bible is not in the scripture, but we know the bible is the word of God.

The Bible says that “ONE God” created us (Malachi 2:10).A closer look, however, at the Creation of man shows that some
type of multiplicity was involved. "Let US create man in OUR IMAGE"( Genesis 1:27). Us indicate more than ONE personalities was involved, and the word "IMAGE" indicate ONE NATURE. If God is three, the verse should've said IMAGES, but no, it say image.

Isaiah 6:8
Then I heard the voice of the
Lord, saying, "Whom shall I send,
and who will go for US?" Then I said,
"Here am I. Send me!"

The verse say "WHOM SHALL I SEND"
(ONE GOD) and the verse continue "WHO WILL GO FOR US" (more than one personalities)

The Bible makes it abundantly clear that God exists as God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
However,these three persons are not
three separate gods, but ONE GOD. This
Trinitarian concept of God might seem to be contradictory from a HUMAN
standpoint, but is perfectly logical from
GOD'S EXTRADIMENSIONAL EXISTENCE.
Anti-Trinitarian heresies elevate
humans to the level of God or demote
one or more persons of the Godhead to
non-God status. Don't fall into one of
those traps!

Matthew 28:19
"Go therefore and make disciples of all
the nations,baptizing them in the NAME
of the Father and the Son and the Holy
Spirit"

The verse say 3 person (father,son and holy spirit) and the word "NAME" not names, indicate ONE NATURE.

This teaching may contradicte your sense of reasoning, but for a God who is ominipotent,ominiscience omnipresent , its make PERFECT sense.

Sir u r a Christian but your signature says something else,well not my business, we are all left to our own points of decision....

I too am a Christian but don't just still understand some things about Christianity but I believe soon all will be made clear n I am not with the idea of Christians criticizing another mans religion.

na wa for some of una sha. every single thing must be in scriptures abi? oya please show me where the name of your church is backed up in the bible. or where the word bible appears in the bible. or where the title of 'general overseer' which is conferred on most men of God is backed up in the bible.

let's not be naive and keep dwelling on inconsequential issues.

leksbore:
Sir u r a Christian but your signature says something else,well not my business, we are all left to our own points of decision....

I too am a Christian but don't just still understand some things about Christianity but I believe soon all will be made clear n I am not with the idea of Christians criticizing another mans religion.

are you new on nairaland ? The Islamic section are bias, you cannot post there if you are not a muslim, but they are allowed to post here,hence my signature.

The trinity very simple to understand once you study the scripture with a teachable spirit, don't allowed someone to manipulate the interpretation of the scripture, read my post you will understand the trinity. Thank you.

malvisguy212:
are you new on nairaland ? The Islamic section are bias, you cannot post there if you are not a muslim, but they are allowed to post here,hence my signature.

The trinity very simple to understand once you study the scripture with a teachable spirit, don't allowed someone to manipulate the interpretation of the scripture, read my post you will understand the trinity. Thank you.

y must you go over to there section and post,,its like u looking for trouble. ,,,I believe u ought to respect them for their decision so that things can be fine for everyone

N before you post that means you too must have agreed to the terms written before you post and what is in your signature ,u think its a mere word but its spiritually strong and affects life,,,I suggest you stay in your lane and show Christ like attitude ...Jesus never went to idol temples to accuse anyone rather he was always fighting against what was been done in the temple and doing good every where.

leksbore:

N before you post that means you too must have agreed to the terms written before you post and what is in your signature ,u think its a mere word but its spiritually strong and affects life,,,I suggest you stay in your lane and show Christ like attitude.

first. you should've say you're a muslim, or are you ashamed ? And secondly, if you know me, you will not say this word to me. If you can compromise your belief, good for you, I cannot. Do you really think after 600 years, God will send muhammed with a contradicted message ? Why will God waited for soo long before He will send muhammed to say they crucify Him not ? Those who have died before muhammed came with his message, who will take the blame for their unbelief ? God or satan ? Have you read the quran ? Their is NO place in the quran which talk about unconditional love, if their is provide it let us see. The quran say Allah love the believers and hate the unbelievers. This contradicte the nature of God in the bible (this is the MAIN reason the God of the bible want to reconcile us to Himself)

[quote author=malvisguy212 post=41903937]first. you should've say you're a muslim, or are you ashamed ? And secondly, if you know me, you will not say this word to me. If you can compromise your belief, good for you, I cannot. Do you really think after 600 years, God will send muhammed with a contradicted message ? Why will God waited for soo long before He will send muhammed to say they crucify Him not ? Those who have died before muhammed came with his message, who will take the blame for their unbelief ? God or satan ? Have you read the quran ? Their is NO place in the quran which talk about unconditional love, if their is provide it let us see. The quran say Allah love the believers and hate the unbelievers. This contradicte the nature of God in the bible (this is the MAIN reason the God of the bible want to reconcile us to Himself)its pointless talking with you,,,just little conversation you get paranoid,,,,I will never reply you again.

[quote author=leksbore post=41904465][/quote]alright. Peace.

dolphinheart:


You said it again , jesus is representantion or image .

Read Col 1:19

Collosians 1:19
For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

I am missing you point, make me understand. Meanwhile, God is eternally invisible, man can never see God. Jesus Christ is God personified, the son of God imbued with all the fullness of God, in Christ dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

You see Christ, you see God. God is greater than Christ because Christ derives all from God, yet God has given Him everything.

Jesus is God.

pdppower:
Dear fellow Christians, please kindly enlighten me more and please don't abuse my ignorance. I am a bit confused about what goes on in the Christendom now. We now refer to Jesus himself as God, but in Matthew 3:17 after Jesus' baptism, a voice said 'this is my beloveth child....' I believe that voice to be of God, the Father. Also in John 14:6 Jesus said 'I am the way....... no one comes to the father but by me.' All these indicate that there is still a superior being over Jesus, who is the father (God). How come we have now cancelled the Father (God) and now refer to Jesus as God himself
? Please kindly enlighten me, don't abuse.

Animal begets animal, the offspring is off animal's spirit.

human begets human, the child is off human's spirit.

God begets God, The Word is off God's Spirit.


Or


animal begets offspring, the offspring is off animal's spirit.

human begets child, the child is off human's spirit.

God begets the Word, the Word is off God's Spirit.


same thing said differently.

Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be.

Jesus prayed to God. How can a god pray to himself? lols.

Jesus is just a prophet of God.

fedex01:
Jesus is not God. He never claimed to be.

Jesus prayed to God. How can a god pray to himself? lols.

Jesus is just a prophet of God.

I'm not sure you've opened a bible before.

malvisguy212:
the Holy spirit is a person,He Acts As A Person
a. He teaches (John 14:26)
b. He testifies (John 15:26)
c. He guides into all truth, He hears,
speaks, shows ( John 16:13)
d. He prays for us (Romans 8:26)
He Has The Attributes of A Person,what constitute a person ? Is it not feeling emotion and grieve ? The scripture teaches the holy Spirit has all this attitude. If the Holy spirit has All this attribute, then He is God, a person, He is among the Godhead.

In John 3, Jesus shares how one can
be born-again. In verse 5, what must
take place if a person is to be a born
again Christian? He must be born of
water and the Spirit
Can anyone truly acknowledge Jesus
as Lord and Savior apart from the Holy
Spirit's work in his heart according to 1
Corinthians 12:3? NO

1 Corinthians 12:3
3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus is accursed”; and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.
ALL three is involved in a person salvation.

Weave been here before, and as expected you wunt comment on glaring scriptural verses shown to you.
You try to jump to another topic without giving an explanation when confronted with scriptural facts.
You have just refused to reply on trinity and jump on holy spirit as person theory.

You refuse to answer question on baptism and jump to born again.

By the way, who gave out the holy spirit, jesus, the father or the spirit itself.?

dolphinheart:


Weave been here before, and as expected you wunt comment on glaring scriptural verses shown to you.
You try to jump to another topic without giving an explanation when confronted with scriptural facts.
You have just refused to reply on trinity and jump on holy spirit as person theory.

You refuse to answer question on baptism and jump to born again.

By the way, who gave out the holy spirit, jesus, the father or the spirit itself.?

I purposely wanted to shift from the issue of Jesus is God to the holy spirit because NO Amount of quoting scripture will convinced you. you are saying because Jesus speak with God it is impossible for Him to be God, dint you read were I say Jesus has TWO nature ? (GOD and HUMAN) the fact that Jesus was conceived of a HUMAN mother, proved he was human and the fact that the spirit of God was on this human (Jesus) make Him God.

Micah 5:2.
"But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING." -

This prophecy revealed both the HUMAN and DIVINE nature of Jesus, in regard of His human nature, He was to be born in Bethlehem and in regard to His divine nature , He is from OLD "whose going forth is EVERLASTING" God is eternal. So when Jesus pray ,eat , fast, talk to God, e.t.c He does so because that's a duty of every human.

Yes, the holy spirit is God and He is not a force as you are trying to imply, all the scriptural reference I provide proved He has everything human got.

Psa_99:9 Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God is holy.

1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.



Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

God is holy
God is a Spirit
who can the Holy Spirit be, but God.






Psa 139:7 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
Psa 139:8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.

Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.


Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

God is a spirit
God is everywhere
God resides in believers
the Holy Spirit is of course God, who is a Spirit, God and the Word.
"we will come unto him, and make our abode with him"
"the Word was with God and the Word was God"
"let us make man in our image" etc.

Jesus peace be upon him is not a God. Jesus peace be upon was born through a vagina , sustained through an umbilical cord, having a belly button. God was not born , and certainly not delivered through a vagina.

Jesus peace be upon him ate food, therefore needed to seek out a place to urinate and defecate, God is far above this.

Jesus peace be upon him had no clue of the day of judgment, had no idea when figs are in season, prayed on his face as Muslims do, had no idea who had touched him in a crowd, could not even perform miracles in his home town. A mighty messenger Jesus peace be upon him is, a God absolutely not.

^^^
muslims fear to let Christians into their forum,
yet one come's here not knowing the Bible, and telling us who Christ is.
politely, get lost.

hockeyoilers:
Jesus peace be upon him is not a God. Jesus peace be upon was born through a vagina , sustained through an umbilical cord, having a belly button. God was not born , and certainly not delivered through a vagina.

Jesus peace be upon him ate food, therefore needed to seek out a place to urinate and defecate, God is far above this.

Jesus peace be upon him had no clue of the day of judgment, had no idea when figs are in season, prayed on his face as Muslims do, had no idea who had touched him in a crowd, could not even perform miracles in his home town. A mighty messenger Jesus peace be upon him is, a God absolutely not.

I think you totally misunderstand the concept of an Almighty God.

If indeed He is Almighty, why can't He do whatever He pleases? If He wants to come down in the form of a man, why dyu say he can't? He is Almighty and can do whatever He wants.

The trinity isn't expressly displayed in the Bible but if you're wise and understanding, you'll see it.

At the baptism at the jordan, God the father spoke, expressing his pleasure in Jesus; who is God the son. And God the Holy Spirit descended on the head of Jesus as a dove.

If this doesn't prove the trinity, I don't know what more you want.

You want God to come and tell you there is a trinity abi?

if i remember very well john d baptist was also present there. Hurray! Dat means it shld be four persons in one! A quadrity! Do people willfully sacrifice their analytical ability to satisfy their preconceived notions? How does d appearance of d 3 at d same point translate to their being d same?

na wa for some of una sha. every single thing must be in scriptures abi? oya please show me where the name of your church is backed up in the bible. or where the word bible appears in the bible. or where the title of 'general overseer' which is conferred on most men of God is backed up in the bible.

let's not be naive and keep dwelling on inconsequential issues.

a very funny way of analysing things. (I won't say unintelligent). When d books of d bible were being written ur general overseer was not yet born. So, his name is not expected to be there. But d God has always been. So, if He was a trinity it wld have been clearly stated. He is not d author of confusion. Shalom.

Yes now.