The topic:
why doctors go on strike.

Ikennas reply:
'doctors are the problem, they are cheating other health workers'

I think you should open a thread for your perceived maltreatment by doctors and stop defacing this thread with your very prominent inferiority complex.
let people who have things to say about doctors' strike talk.

MUZBO:

Sharraap dia you this horrid half-baked hog! I'm sick of hearing dumb people like you go: 'I'll never marry a Dr.' yet research shows you'll sleep with them at the slightest opportunity. Your generalisation sucks and you were right about saying you might be cursed. Well, since your brother is a Dr, I hope you have not started sleeping with him yet because thats how it starts with punks like you- arguments then you seduce them. Abeg leave make smart people like me talk.

Are doctors giglos that sleep with any willing patners? That argument is degrading!

muzbo, how u dey? i don bone to dey update for FB. i strictly use it to search for peeps now. How ur end? Junior residency or PP? Bozie sef dey cruize this forum and i'm sure there are tons of aesculapians here too. Well what can i say about the peeps here, hmmm. Little do they know!
i'm really tired of defending the cause, i think the major shit-for-church move was buying jamb form and filling that damned space. But since that is that, i hope nigerians are ready for the most massive Doctors brain drain ever.

@mufasa, I dey cool o! Residency runs dey go. Brain drain go fit affect Naija thru me sef! Some punks on this thread will never see it coming until YEM-KEM becomes minister of health. Me and Bozie don talk yday. Hin dey surprise as I dey give em like this n like that! lol.

MUZBO:

, until YEM-KEM becomes minister of health.

Na 9ja we dey na, since a vetenerian can be commisioner for health why Yem-Kem no fit be minister. How Famozo and the rest you still dey connect with em? Do you know the whereabouts of Abalaka.

mufasa:

Na 9ja we dey na, since a vetenerian can be commisioner for health why Yem-Kem no fit be minister. How Famozo and the rest you still dey connect with em? Do you know the whereabouts of Abalaka.

Famozo dey St. Nicholas. Abalaka? . .well na Famozo go know o! Hin fit don enrol for space program like that. lol.
How dem Barbie chick(s) na?

[/color][color=#006600] i cant find a real reason as to why our precious 'life savers' go on strike. all i can see here are money-minded citizens. talking about 96000naira and 106000naira as slary whats dat?. think of the man that earns 50naira in a day. 1500 in a month. Medicine is what you go in to do for humanity's sake. IMAGINE doctors going on strike. even though this thought/imagination has been actualized in our present day Nigeria. i dont want to believe dese 'striken' doctors are what Nigeria breeds. if you cant think of humanity wen doing your job, you are not fit for that position and in terms i expect you to accept and ponder on, YOUR 6-10 years OF TRAINING HAS BEEN BURSTED AND WASTED. you dont know what you stand for AND WAT is right. retrace your steps and put your legs in the shoes of humanity! PEACE! TO YOU DOCTORS! OR SHOULD I SAY strike TOU YOU DOCTORS!

As i write, I hav slept only about 5hrs in the last 48hrs (d usual trend 4 me). I cannot remember when last I saw my family. As I type these words, i may b called at d emergency dept to come attend to a patient cos i'm on call again. I barely have time to myself anyday, let alone a date(dat's not my problem, anyway), I could go on 'n on

Back at work, there are inadequate diagnostic facilities/ equipment, leading to sheer wastage of precious time. Very often, lack of power supply would compound d woes of d doc and his patient, we are exposed everyday (more than in any other work class) to d dreaded HIV/AIDS infection (1 in every 4 patients are infected in d facility where i work), every patient wants d doc to be beside him or her all d time. Often, d nurses are deliberately making life unbearable for d doctor (beef), Again, I could go on and on. These are only very few of d challenges being faced daily by d average medical doctor in nigeria.

Now, i don't really know where to begin addressing d high level of ignorance some people have displayed on this thread, about d plight of Nigerian medical doctors. It's just sad and unfortunate, to say d least. I was particularly amused by d pig-headed fella who kept arguing about a profession he obviously knew very little about (probably nothing more than d words- 'Optometrist' and 'Opthalmologist'). That guy is a charlatan, albeit fat in the head.

In essence, Nigerian doctors should refuse to be distracted by such charlatans. Let's continue doing d best we can 4 our patients 'n of course, stand up 4 our rights all d time.

nas 00:

[b]As i write, I hav slept only about 5hrs in the last 48hrs (d usual trend 4 me). I cannot remember when last I saw my family. As I type these words, i may b called at d emergency dept to come attend to a patient cos i'm on call again. I barely have time to myself anyday, let alone a date(dat's not my problem, anyway), I could go on 'n on[/b]Back at work, there are inadequate diagnostic facilities/ equipment, leading to sheer wastage of precious time. Very often, lack of power supply would compound d woes of d doc and his patient, we are exposed everyday (more than in any other work class) to d dreaded HIV/AIDS infection (1 in every 4 patients are infected in d facility where i work), every patient wants d doc to be beside him or her all d time. Often, d nurses are deliberately making life unbearable for d doctor (beef), Again, I could go on and on. These are only very few of d challenges being faced daily by d average medical doctor in nigeria.

Now, i don't really know where to begin addressing d high level of ignorance some people have displayed on this thread, about d plight of Nigerian medical doctors. It's just sad and unfortunate, to say d least. I was particularly amused by d pig-headed fella who kept arguing about a profession he obviously knew very little about (probably nothing more than d words- 'Optometrist' and 'Opthalmologist'). That guy is a charlatan, albeit fat in the head.

In essence, Nigerian doctors should refuse to be distracted by such charlatans. Let's continue doing d best we can 4 our patients 'n of course, stand up 4 our rights all d time.

I feel for you my dear. You are probably still doing your house job. If not then you must get the reward somehow. It is a good news though. However, I don't think you are always on call except your hospital is short-staffed. You are the first to mention some real problems. However, it is not the best to abuse someone with a different opinion no matter how irritating it may be to you. you can only lay your argument and counter his or just ignore him.

agabaI23:

I feel for you my dear.  You are probably still doing your house job. If not then you must get  the reward somehow. It is a good news though. However, I don't think you are always on call except your hospital is short-staffed. You are  the first to mention some real problems. However, it is not the best to abuse someone with a different opinion no matter how irritating it may be to you. you can only lay your argument and counter his or just ignore him.

The 'pig-headed guy' he's talking about has been countered many times. You best read from the beginning. It is annoying to say the least when people like ikennahill will come here to talk about things they know little about. The guy is a big illiterate goat and he knows it!

djay x-pro:

[/color][color=#006600] i cant find a real reason as to why our precious 'life savers' go on strike. . . Medicine is what you go in to do for humanity's sake. IMAGINE doctors going on strike. even though this thought/imagination has been actualized in our present day Nigeria. i dont want to believe dese 'striken' doctors are what Nigeria breeds. if you cant think of humanity wen doing your job, you are not fit for that position and in terms i expect you to accept and ponder on, YOUR 6-10 years OF TRAINING HAS BEEN BURSTED AND WASTED. you dont know what you stand for AND WAT  is right. retrace your steps and put your legs in the shoes of humanity!

See this lame-a$s nut-headed newbie! What do you know about Medical training that you're talking humanity? So when I go back home and my kid tells me he wants to study at MIT I should tell him 'humanity' will not allow it. May half a million volts of electricity consume your laptop's motherboard. IDIOT!! And may arthritis catch those your fingers if you type such again!

djay x-pro:

[/color][color=#006600] i cant find a real reason as to why our precious 'life savers' go on strike. . . Medicine is what you go in to do for humanity's sake. IMAGINE doctors going on strike. even though this thought/imagination has been actualized in our present day Nigeria. i dont want to believe dese 'striken' doctors are what Nigeria breeds. if you cant think of humanity wen doing your job, you are not fit for that position and in terms i expect you to accept and ponder on, YOUR 6-10 years OF TRAINING HAS BEEN BURSTED AND WASTED. you dont know what you stand for AND WAT  is right. retrace your steps and put your legs in the shoes of humanity!

See this lame-a$s nut-headed newbie! What do you know about Medical training that you're talking humanity? So when I go back home and my kid tells me he wants to study at MIT I should tell him 'humanity' will not allow it. May half a million volts of electricity consume your laptop's motherboard. IDIOT!! And may arthritis catch those your fingers if you type such again!

MUZBO:

The 'pig-headed guy' he's talking about has been countered many times. You best read from the beginning. It is annoying to say the least when people like ikennahill will come here to talk about things they know little about. The guy is a big illiterate goat and he knows it!

lol . . I read from the begining.

Hi,

You can see the stuff Nigerian medical doctors are made of,

Just because some people dont believe in your own opinion you  mbuzo,reindeer, cnt control your emotion,
if mbuzo ,etc can call who they have never seen a dumb ass,idot,jackal,chalatan etc  just because they dont have the opinion they want is serious and with this you will know the problem this country face with the  especially in health sector,

Like fela  said tailor wey dey behave like capenter na kpako.

may god save this country,this is a medical  doctor ,not under duress,working with his/her computer enjoying him or herself calling a fellow  human being an idiot, what will happen to patients , what will happen to other health personels,where are your training,where are your manners.

reindeer said i have inferiority complex, she is uninformed and most medical doctors are uninformed,am not suprised,but I dont have any inferiority complex,rather it is you that isshowing clear signs of such.i am doining very well, i have licence in Nigeria and abroad to practice my career, i have many people on scholarship, at least 15 people in Nigerian universities,i am enjoying my life the way i want it.

The guy that said he is overworking himself is living in self pity, the law said IF YOU CANT STAND THE HEAT LEAVE THE KITCHEN. so i dont understand what he is blabing about.people  like air controllers dont even rest bc if they do anything can happen,plane crash,they wake police ,pharmacists,optometrists, nurses,medical lab scientists ,etc at odd hours too.what of military men that go to war front for even ideas they dont like and they work in and out.medical doctors in nigeria should stop deceiving themselves,we know they are not actually out to save life, it is the money they are out to get and their way is blocked ,then strike.Do you know that medical doctors fight in naija for mudane post like police doctor just for money,they go on strike here for money because government have not deem it fit to make them fall into line and deal with them,they are not more important than the police,army,sss,etc.

I know the truth make you medical doctors weep, but i will always tell you the truth,what happen in unth is it not enough?shame and shame.You did not comment on it ,that is how our medical doctors behave,once a medical doctor is involved,they close case.

do not be deceived,nigerians are not mocked,we know why you go on strike,it is all about money, we equally know why our health system collapse, the nigerian medical doctors are the cause.

nas00,
sorry you need to be retrained,may you be are one of those whose parent bought their career for( school runs),such thing plenty for naija. why call somebody pig head.
if the heat is too much for you leave the kitchen

It is not only medical doctors that go through stress here,in fact everybody and profession has it own heat.so if your own is too much on you buckle up or quit ,stop blabbing.

@ikennahill, you are spoiling your bad name and the reason is simple: You are too scared to reveal your discipline. You are the one with the inferiority complex not reindeer. You are sponsoring 15 people in Naija. . .hmmm I pity the medical students amongst them. They don't know their sponsor is an uninformed detractor of Drs. Except you are a Dr, you can never know challenges facing Nigerian Drs so shut it ok! Go and play with your fellow drug dealers and 419ers. Your opinions matter less, I just find it amusing taunting your ignorant self! Bring it on.

Please, i always end up pitying the poor guy after reading his every post.
He sounds like a medschool washout, tried unsuccessfully to enter medical school, so lives all his life with envy for those who did.
Its just that he might lie,id appreciate it if he can really tell us that he grew up wanting to be an optometrist,what usually happens(like most paramedics) is that since he couldnt get 5 credits in SSCE and a pass in JAMB, they result to 'any medical -like course' just to feel among .
This iks inferiority complex stinks to the high heavens, if you want to know,let an unbiased 3rd party read the discourse beside you.
Infact i think the guy needs a psychiatrist(not an optomechanic like yourself), to treat his self image problems.

Ikenna, know this, envy kills you from inside and only ensures that you are forever beneath those you envy.

@Muzbo, the ikenna guy seems like he's having a regression of all milestones to me. and he needs to see his pediatrician too(im sure he is still seeing one, judging by the way he whines on and on about doctors taking his precious cookies)

I'm a maxillofacial surgeon working in a mission hospital. in addition to running a clinic, i also do surgeries when needed. coz the hospital can't afford more people, we're only 2 people working in my unit. the work is tedious to say the least. last week i had to see a patient who was involved in an accident. she's a 40year old divorced woman with 3 kids. she's also HIV positive. the accident left her with fractured jaws and face among other injuries and she needed surgery to correct the problem. we had to do an open reduction using stainless steel wires. if you've worked with wires you'll realize how dangerous it is to handle them, they're sharp and can easily cut your gloves and fingers. the procedure is also a very bloody and long one. the patient was brought to my unit, and we had no choice but to be "humanitarian" and attend to her. when i told my "team" that the patient was HIV positive, no one was willing to touch her. it took a lot of talk to convince them to let us see her.

during the procedure, in spite of all the precautions we took, including wearing 3 thick latex gloves, 2 face masks each etc. my assistant sustained a cut, and no one knew coz we were so focused on what we were doing, it wasn't until the next day that i got to know, so we took all the precautionary methods, doing an emergency  RVS screening, (which is negative for now), and commencing the usual drugs.

I've had a hard time assuring my colleague that everything will be alright. i asked myself if i should have let the patient go, perhaps i should have watched out for my team and let the woman go coz if i had then perhaps this won't have happened. i didn't get cut coz I'm an expert, its something that can happen to anybody.

the funniest thing is we do this almost daily. and its not just HIV, that we have to worry about, there are other diseases one can contract like hepatitis B. we don't get paid a hazard allowance yet we face hazards daily.

from reading the comments of some people, its obvious they think docs are zombies, and that's sad.

i want you to know that some docs put their lives on the line almost everyday, the least you can do to show you appreciate what they're doing is to ensure they're well compensated, not just only in pay alone but in the work environment too.

from the comments I've seen on this thread, I'm getting to know that our(doctors) efforts as a group is not being appreciated, it makes you wonder if we should be watching out for ourselves, after all, if anything happens to us, we're on our own.

@agabaI23
Nice one. Polite, informed and intelligent even when in disagreement.

1) As regards Pentazocine, it is actually contraindicated in head injuries along with some other opioid analgesics.

2) The issue of relative remuneration is dicey. Majority of doctor's take home pay is call duty allowance. That money is for the extra hours we put in. A form of overtime if you choose to call it that. Without it, we're paid well below other civil servants. So calculating the hours we actually work and dividing by our salaries makes us earn less than menial workers in Nigeria, as an earlier poster has mentioned.

There are others in the civil service who earn way more than us in salary and other benefits. I'll try to confirm. Certain parastatals have a different salary structure e.g. NLNG. I must remember to ask my military friends how much they take home.
That your guy claiming N250k; not true, unless he has more than one job

@Iyara

Thanks for educating folks here, some of us just aren't that patient especially when misinformed people just display hatred and envy for doctors.
Although i dont work in nigeria anymore,it makes me sad to see people disparage what you've spent your whole life doing for very little rewards.
Infact someone said you are only overworked if you are doing housejob,nope!Even as a medical officer back then in Lagos state service it was hell, we were always understaffed and overworked, imagine working from beginning of one day till the end of the next every 4 days and not that you'd have any day off in between and all for paltry pay.
I had 2 colleagues that had to go on PEP's for accidental needle stick injuries, now thats really scary while you are trying to save a life,i dont know if its changed now but the hazard allowance was 1,600 Naira /month!
This is what many of us realize and head out of the country we love,where we have relatives and friends,its so sad. Believe me if the conditions were better,almost all doctors working abroad will want to go back to nigeria.

If a Nigerian doctor was to be really paid for his work,the freshest graduate should earn nothing less than 200k naira per month,then there'll be fewer reasons to leave the country, and then you can come down hard on erring doctors as to whom much is given, much should be expected and like i always say, the giving part comes first!
cheers.

@butter, lovely post. Though most Drs have such experiences, yours really reveals the cracks in that thin line between humanity and suicide. I couldn't have put it better worse myself that most people think Drs are zombies. They don't see the risk in the job and those that know of the risks are just blinded by envy. I hope your colleague remains HIV negative after the window period. Good luck!

@reindeer, aint nothing changed about that 1600 as I heard. Then they'd joke that it can't buy a pack of lamivudine. Trend was if you got stabbed accidentally you suffer hypochondriasis till a blood test gives you hope then your hypochondriasis becomes sub-clinical throughout the window period till a final test puts your mind @ rest. I don't care if the public appreciates but govt should be ready to pay for time and risks.

@Iyara
I de hail!

Iyara:

@agabaI23
Nice one. Polite, informed and intelligent even when in disagreement.

1) As regards Pentazocine, it is actually contraindicated in head injuries along with some other opioid analgesics.

Good job

Iyara:

2) The issue of relative remuneration is dicey. Majority of doctor's take home pay is call duty allowance. That  money is for the extra hours we put in. A form of overtime if you choose to call it that. Without it, we're paid well below other civil servants. So calculating the hours we actually work and dividing by our salaries makes us earn less than menial workers in Nigeria, as an earlier poster has mentioned.

I agree with you that the call duty is for the extra hours you put out of normal working period. However, I do not quite agree with the bolded portion. We have the normal period taken by everybody and the extra period.  The extra hours has been taken care of in the form of call duty allowance. Now let us look at the normal work period. The reason you should receive more than others who do the same number of hours like you should not be based on the hours put in because there is always someone there with you. It should be because there is a critical decision(s) that should be taken by you based on your knowledge and that you require a mind and brain that is well catered for and 'devoid' of worries to arrive at the best decision. Aptly put, it means they should be comfortable. In the present day Nigeria, at least 200K for a start will be OK. Most HO's thos who are on CONTIS in particular are not far away from 200K a month.

Talking about the number of hours may not hold much water. Now come to think of it sometimes you do not even have to put in so many hours in a normal work period after ward round except in a hospital that has high patient traffic such as some teaching hospitals.

Iyara:


There are others in the civil service who earn way more than us in salary and other benefits. I'll try to confirm. Certain parastatals have a different salary structure e.g. NLNG. I must remember to ask my military friends how much they take home.
That your guy claiming N250k; not true, unless he has more than one job

The federal govt queried the disparity in NLNG and NNPC recently and believe you me, that of NNPC has been reduced while they employed more people. I have a friend in NNPC. It is no longer what it was. In fact a fresh grad in NNPC officially takes home around 90K  but less than 100K. I doubt if the jumbo salary structure of NLNG will be left out.

@Reindeer,
lol I am the one that talked about house officers and overwork. In the same post or in an earlier post where I made the same statement I also added . . . 'unless you are under-staffed' because I am aware of such situations.

@ikennahill:
With all due respect, it's either u're a blackmailer or u're just incorrigible 'n silly. Looks like u've been subtly trying to gather as much info as u can about nigerian medical doctors whilst feigning madness (which indeed makes u a charlatan). Otherwise, u must be daft.

I'm not surprised u question my training, u won't just comprehend. It's all too obvious you were half-baked, and u probably bought ur way through ur own training (if u ever had any succesful professional training). Your mechanical accuracy and the way u reason show that amongst others.
So, i won't react by telling u anything more about my training or the medical profession because that's what u really want to hear

I'm sure u also know that well informed people like Muzbo et al gave the facts on d issue at hand, but u deliberately keep raising dust with ur spiny tongue because u've got an ulterior motive. Someone was right to have suspected u are a 419er, which, frankly speaking, i think u are.
, and please, never in ur life bring my parents (or any other person's) into issues. U're just too uncouth!
I know u will attempt to reply me (because u're indeed pig-headed, and u refuse to see it), but i'm done with u here.
It's no use playing dirt with a pig. U will only get dirty; d pig enjoys it!

OUCH!

@agaba, nice one
though contiss im now aware pays about 117k,quite far from 200k
I think nas was a little miffed by ikennas misguided post, it hink you need to chill out man,i hope you get outta there soon.

well according to ibo idom, when you start talking of a battered basket, a thin man always get sad.what have you guys not call me.i expect more but like galileo said not even all mankind can stop the earth from moving round nor them moving with it.Medical doctors in nigeria behave as if they are the only one exposed to hazzard,what of the radiographers that are exposed to radiological elements.There is no hospital worker who is not exposed to hazzard, is it the lab scientists who are evem more exposed than the medical doctors.i dont understand the mentality of nigerian medical doctors.So the TB patient that cough all over the hospital it is only the medical doctor that is exposed to it.Trachoma is a blinding eye disease and optometrists can get infested,even HIV patients come in contact with other health care professionals,not all doctors do surgeries,physicians dont do surgeries,public health consultant dont,but they have their form of hazzard.

what of military men,police,etc,just that uniforrm is enough hazzard ,this time they pay with their lifes on the spot.they dont shout.pilots pay with their lives too.
let me tell you the truth,racism is evil,it start when someone thinks my car is bigger than yours,when medical doctors in Nigeria build walls instead of bridge they forget that one day they will be victim of their work.

as for Nas00,he is not fit to be a medical doctor anywhere.He may be found worthy in learning but he is totally deficient in character,who knows how he got to the university in the first place.e no as e dey happen here,abi na lie?.
I know he is a dove and he can call me any name but the fact is that if he feel the heat is too much he should leave the kitchen.he should wake up he is not more important than other nigerians.

When real governmnet enter naija, all this rubbish will change,soon all will be okay

well according to ibo idom, when you start talking of  a battered basket, a thin man always get upset, nass 00,need to emancipate his mind from mental slavery .
what have you guys not call me here,but i am not bothered,somebody must say the truth,.i expect more but like galileo said not even all mankind can stop the earth from moving round nor them moving with it.Medical doctors in nigeria behave as if they are the only one exposed to hazzard,what of the radiographers that are exposed to radiological elements.There is no hospital  worker who is not exposed to hazzard, is it the lab scientists who are even more exposed than the medical doctors.i dont understand the mentality of nigerian medical doctors.So the TB patient that cough all over the hospital it is only the medical doctor that is exposed to it.Trachoma is a blinding eye disease and optometrists can get infested,even HIV patients come in contact with other health care professionals,not all doctors do surgeries,physicians dont do surgeries,public health consultant dont,but they have their form of hazzard.

what of military men,police,etc,just that uniforrm is enough hazzard ,this time they pay with their lifes on the spot.
let me tell you the truth,racism is evil,it start when someone thinks my car is bigger than yours,when medical doctors in Nigeria build walls instead of bridge they forget that one day they will be victim of their work.

as for Nas00,he is not fit to be a medical doctor anywhere.He may be found worthy in learning but he is totally deficient in character,who knows how he got to the university in the first place.e no as e  dey happen here,abi na lie?.
I know he is a dove and he can call me any name but the fact is that if he feel the heat is too  much he should leave the kitchen.he should wake up he is not more important than other nigerians.

When real  governmnet enter naija, all this rubbish will change,soon all will be okay .I dont fear threats,so dont waste your energy,the truth is making some people mad,the fact is that 99% of all health problem in nigeria is caused by our nigerian medical doctors.i gave u facts and figures.the truth is bitter.if all of you like cry till day break.today i got 9emails commending me,the effect is been felt and the people know the truth even before now but they dont wanna talk.for me i will talk and i am talking.this is democracy.

Ikennahill, what do you do for a living? You are a coward if you don't respond now.

Abeg ignore the character,havent you noticed he cant even differetiate infection from infestation, he said optometrists maybe infested with trachoma

i think hes just a low life who will grow old hating doctors and when that time comes he'll be treated by a quack for his BPH since he hates real ones.

MUZBO:

Ikennahill, what do you do for a living? You are a coward if you don't respond now.

This one will just be going up and down looking for who to call a coward.

_{Sometimes I wonder if he knows what that means!!}

Ujujoan:

This one will just be going up and down looking for who to call a coward.   

_{Sometimes I wonder if he knows what that means!!}  

Uju A.K.A Miss I need a millionaire. . .welcome! I'm happy I made a BIG impression. Now because you read that ikennahill is sponsoring 15 people you think he's rich? NO dear, he's a lying a$s megalomaniac. . . you won't get jack!
BTW a coward is, simply put for your sake, an easily frightened person just like you were scared about your future which is making you seek rich guys.
And like I almost told you the other day: get a job if you wanna be rich!
BETTER BACK OFF!!!