ichuka:
Hi guys,can the S-400 shoot down f35(assuming it's fully operational) or f22 over Syria? Appleyard,Missy89,NairaMinted,homerac7,M14A1,ValerianSteel,

Missy89:


F35 is not operational. S400 has never shot down a single kite before

The answer is unknown. Speculations cant be fact

Tkester:


Shut up! Answer the question, can S400 shoot down the crappy F22?

OP, the answer is it depends. If you are looking at the specifications then S400 can even knock out a star in the orbit, but if your asking weather S400 has been tested in a combat against F35, then the answer is that the Americans are afraid of the S400 disgracing their metal (example, early last year de Americans chickened out of an arms contest/exhibition in Dubai, when the Russians challenged them to a contest of potentials between the F35 and S300), and therefore the answer is no.

But look no further, you sure should ask yourself why was obama crying and wetting his pants when King Vladimir gave Iran the s300.

fineguy11:
just when u think the monster of all SURFACE TO AIR DEFENCE has been produced,only to read that the ''S-1000''(satelite/orbit shooting system) specs has been completed and about to enter production phase!

fineguy11:
Going by missy89(POV)india and china has invested over 12billion dollars between them for a "SPECULATIVE DEFENCE SYSTEM"...the F-35 is a load of crap and the F-22 is a non stealth aircraft,so OP,i think its unfair to compare the S-400 cabability against the F-22...
U can compare the F-22 with PANTSIR S1 or the more lethal "BUK MISSILE DEFENCE"...the S-400 is a nightmare for any aircraft in the world,just when u think the monster of all SURFACE TO AIR DEFENCE has been produced,only to read that the ''S-1000''(satelite/orbit shooting system) specs has been completed and about to enter production phase!

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Sincerely speaking. I was irritated by the comparison. Infact, it's an unforgiving and guillotine deserving insolence to compare the both if he wasn't obliviously ignorant.

How on earth will one compare a system that can bring down a target at a height of 400KM with a blistering speed of 17,000km per hour – faster than any existing aircraft in the world, the only missile complex in the world that can hit a target beyond the horizon, a system that can simultaneously engage up to 36 targets with up to 72 missiles ready to fly at a moment’s notice, The only system that can effectively differentiate between airborne targets and those moving on the ground, a system that can heartlessly use present and future stealth aircraft for breakfast,lunch and dinner while watching soap opera .

The only system with missiles fitted with a homing device which can lock on a target and destroy it without having to track it

The only system that has to seek my blessing. "Okala nmadu okala nmuo!." The (OGCFRFAS)- one of the grand commander of the order of the federal republic of foreign affairs section-nairaland chapter.
The egbaruru himself(the one and only Cyprus000), representing Enugu east federal constituency of foreign affairs section-nairaland chapter, before engaging

Why compare this vicious repercussion with a frivolous trillion dollar F-35 program, unequivocally rendered absolute by S-400. An aircraft with stubby wings that reduce lift and maneuverability, a bulbous fuselage (that makes it less aerodynamic) low speed and a super hot engine (which a half awaken advance russian radar can spot without eye strain). A heavy and sluggish aircraft that has been claiming superior with impunity over war-weary iraq,tiny libya and defenseless afghanistan, while avoiding it nemesis,repercussion and greatest undoing in syria, just lyk F-104, the suppose and hyped greatest inventory of it time that summoned the chutzpah to challange it aerial dog-fighting god(russian MiG-21), and met it waterloo in india and pakistani war.

If they think that the aforementioned S-400 capabilities is facade. Why is china, india, pakistan, saudi etc clamouring for S-400.
Does it mean that they have nitwits at the helm of their defence ministries? They know better and refused to be zombified.

Emancipate yourselfs from mental pillage, you lots singing western praise.

Cc Zoharariel, Akathriel my Ggzz.

Sorry for the late response to duty. I'm on sabbatical leave(ban), so! Didn't get your notification.
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fineguy11:
Going by missy89(POV)india and china has invested over 12billion dollars between them for a "SPECULATIVE DEFENCE SYSTEM"...the F-35 is a load of crap and the F-22 is a non stealth aircraft,so OP,i think its unfair to compare the S-400 cabability against the F-22...
U can compare the F-22 with PANTSIR S1 or the more lethal "BUK MISSILE DEFENCE"...the S-400 is a nightmare for any aircraft in the world,just when u think the monster of all SURFACE TO AIR DEFENCE has been produced,only to read that the ''S-1000''(satelite/orbit shooting system) specs has been completed and about to enter production phase!

Missy89:



Reading few jargon online doesn't make you an expert. If China and India are buying the new SAMs, That doesn't mean you can start comparing it with the f35 or f22. Or can you tell me where these SAMs have been used before in the history of warfare and how many of these planes have been brought down? or how many combat missions have the f35 been involved in? so hat is the point of the comparison?

Or will you love to tell us When any version of SAM in history have prevented an air-force from conducting a SEAD mission? The USAF have been using MALDs since the gulf war. You are here hating and posting on what you have a very little knowledge on. Or do you think SEADs tactics remains the same?

I guess we should congratulate Russia on their "s-1 million satellite shooting system" (whatever that is) Oh wait a min, The US navy used the same weapon way back 2008 .Oops! Besides, USAF fighter jets have been destroying satellites since 1985.

Arent you the same guy who said no nuclear power has been involved in a conflict before?

NairaMinted:
The truth of the matter is that both the F-35 and S-400 have not been pitted against each other although the specifications of the S-400 (on paper) includes the ability to shoot down "stealth" aircraft such as the F-35 and F-22. The reason I have put stealth in quote is because since the time these stealth technologies have been developed, other technologies have been developed to counter the so called stealth advantages that these aircraft have thereby rendering that "stealth" edge useless.

The fact that Israel or other countries are still moving ahead with ordering these aircrafts doesn't erase the fact that they can still be detected but of course they will still be ordered considering that they are the "best thing" available at the moment.

One thing you can take home though is the way the West reacts with anger and alarm whenever the S-400 (or even the S-300) is deployed or rumored as on the verge of being sold

fineguy11:
your lots are pathetic bunch.i dont have to see the russian S-400 shoot a fly to believe its a potent weapon u know why?because the whole world saw the alledge american invinsible stealth fighter shot by a 1961 made russian defence system in YUGOSLAVIA! is it not embarrassing that some of NATO allies were at a point in time lobbying their perceived enemy russia to sell the S-300 defence system to them?TURKEY QND SAUDI ARABIA COMES TO MIND!

Missy89:


Your rubbish logic is not a valid argument. Stop trying already.

fineguy11:
my argument is n't logic ,its common sence which has become a scarce luxury to u'all american trolls on nairaland!

Missy89:


The same way China and Russia reacts when american weapons and MDS are being sold or located in Vietnam and Poland respectively

NairaMinted:


But you are indeed mixing up the context in which this reaction(s) is being used.

The deployment of Russian ADS in this case is purely for legitimate reasons e.g. deploying S-400s in Syria in the wake of the aggressive downing of a Russian aircraft & the blatant violation of Syrian airspace by Turkey before that; the planned deployment of S-300s in Iran in the face of increasing threats by Saudi Arabia and Israel, etc.

However in the case of Uncle Sam, what is the rationale behind deploying ABM shields in Eastern Europe in the absence of any threat but rather the non existent (Iran lacks the technological know-how, reason or will to attack Europe) threat from Iran that has been used as an excuse since 2004 to deploy these shields?

Missy89:


Yeah right. "Legitimate reasons" Are you the judge and jury of what is legitimate or not?

Russia unilaterally banned the sales of the s300 to Iran. Their decision not the west. They lifted the ban they placed on themselves to sell Iran the missiles. The US complain was the timing ( during a nuclear negotiation) which might strengthen Iran's hand. Is that not a legitimate complain? since Russia imposed sanctions on Iran too (Resolution 1696 ,1747,1737 etc) and she is not trying to be a team player for obvious reasons.

Eastern Europe's ABM shield deployment was premature in the early 2000s. But inevitable if Russia keeps selling Iran advance missiles. You cant eat your cake and have it.

ValerianSteel:
Though not yet engaged in physical warfare,we can however say that the S-400 and the F-35 are very powerful in their own ways.

I'd say from specifications on paper,the S-400 has a first strike advantage just as the F-35 has the same.While the S-400 will be static,the F-35 is not.It possesses aerial maneuvering which when pitted against the S-400 possibly can evade it.

Simply put the S-400 can shoot down the F-35 same way the F-35 can smoke the S-400.It boils down to who sees what first.

Just like every piece of machinery,they will be upgraded regularly,these updates would determine how the F-35 can outperform its role and truly be stealth against the S-400.

For example Egypt has the Antey-2500, a variant of the S-300.Israel never saw these batteries stationed in Sinai not until recent updates to the F-16I which sniffed it out.

When fully operational and engaged in battle,there's no calling shots on whether the S-400 has the upper hand or the F-35 does.

NairaMinted:


1. Yes o- LEGITIMATE reasons: protection of a country's sovereignty from violations and attack.

2. Russia banned the sales cos it would have been in violation of UN restrictions. Now that they have been lifted, the deal is back on board. Duh!

3. Again, Iran has neither the means or death wish to launch a mindless attack on Europe. Cui Bono? Everyone knows that the real reason the Bush administration abandoned the START treaty was to install these shields as NATO crept closer to Russia in order to contain Russia and entrench the US as the sole undisputed hegemon.

Missy89, why has the US been installing ABM shields in Eastern Europe since 2004? Why has the US abandoned the START treaty? Why is the US accusing Iran of possessing technology to senselessly attack Europe with ballistic missiles when we all know that as revealed in the case of North Korea, that this technology is hard to master. Missy89, please I won't engage in a debate with you like you like to do with Appleyard and with Shymmex before him. Your fondness of distracting a thread is well known and I do not have time for it.

ichuka:
Love your analysis. First Seen,Kill First.

ichuka:
Guys,here's a Statement made by Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert in 2013
"stealthiness could be “overrated” in future combat aircraft—"something moves fast through the air, disrupts molecules and puts out heat—I don't care how cool the engine can be, it's going to be detectable.” Indeed, we’ve heard recently that some Indian and Russian research organizations have been devoting considerable attention to developing infrared detection systems. Couple that with future developments in lasers, and crews of the big aircraft may find no sanctuary in the high night skies"
Couple with the fact the Gravitational Waves was discovered last week.in the future I don't think flying objects would have any advantage over there foes on the ground.
So guys what's your take?
scully95,cyprus000,Missy89,vedaxcool,Tkester,fineguy11,NairaMinted,ValerianSteel.

ichuka:
Guys,here's a Statement made by Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert in 2013
"stealthiness could be “overrated” in future combat aircraft—"something moves fast through the air, disrupts molecules and puts out heat—I don't care how cool the engine can be, it's going to be detectable.” Indeed, we’ve heard recently that some Indian and Russian research organizations have been devoting considerable attention to developing infrared detection systems. Couple that with future developments in lasers, and crews of the big aircraft may find no sanctuary in the high night skies"
Couple with the fact the Gravitational Waves was discovered last week.in the future I don't think flying objects would have any advantage over there foes on the ground.
So guys what's your take?
scully95,cyprus000,Missy89,vedaxcool,Tkester,fineguy11,NairaMinted,ValerianSteel.

ichuka:
Guys,here's a Statement made by Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert in 2013
"stealthiness could be “overrated” in future combat aircraft—"something moves fast through the air, disrupts molecules and puts out heat—I don't care how cool the engine can be, it's going to be detectable.” Indeed, we’ve heard recently that some Indian and Russian research organizations have been devoting considerable attention to developing infrared detection systems. Couple that with future developments in lasers, and crews of the big aircraft may find no sanctuary in the high night skies"
Couple with the fact the Gravitational Waves was discovered last week.in the future I don't think flying objects would have any advantage over there foes on the ground.
So guys what's your take?
scully95,cyprus000,Missy89,vedaxcool,Tkester,fineguy11,NairaMinted,ValerianSteel.

IbnSultaan:
Tough one

Russian deployed s400 in Syria after the Turkey drama but sources believe not all of it's components where fix due to Defence pact with Isreal but Putin has ordered su35 with incredible systems into Syria to protect bombers