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The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Missy89(f): 5:36am On Feb 27, 2016 |
How the escapist axioms of Western apologies of Kremlin policies distort our understanding of the origins and motives of Russia’s current domestic and foreign behavior Nairaminted I would love to know what your opinion is on this article 2 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by BALLOSKI: 6:37am On Feb 27, 2016 |
I'm coming back to read this. My fear is, the OP is anti-russia or russophobic - I already know where the story will lead. 1 Like |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Missy89(f): 6:52am On Feb 27, 2016 |
BALLOSKI: Nice excuse to chicken out. What makes you think i am russophobic? 2 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by BALLOSKI: 6:56am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Missy89:it's audible to the deaf and visible to the blind that you are russophobic! |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Missy89(f): 6:58am On Feb 27, 2016 |
BALLOSKI: Ok |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Amoto94(m): 7:22am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Vedaxcool come and see how this OP murdered "Putinverstehers" like Appleyard, Nairaminted, Shymmexx and other than them. Missy89 you already know who's back 3 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by BALLOSKI: 7:27am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Missy89:just realized that the writer is russophobic too...
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Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by vedaxcool(m): 9:04am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Omo see triple combo Unfortunately someone said Putin was God sent, yet Putin claims the fall of the soviet union (the most anti-religious regime to have existed) was the greatest catastrophe of the 20th centuary, the same evil union that kept displacing people, causing the deaths of 100s of 1000s treacherously repressive, punishing entire tribes and race, making deals with Hitler, and forcefully colonizing others under its imperialistic designs. They say to see the sins of others you need to stand on yours, Putin hasbara trolls pretend to understand jack about one of the world most treacherous leaders, Putin. 3 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by SirShymexx: 10:03am On Feb 27, 2016 |
This is a propaganda article written specifically to further make the dumb get dumber. What a lot of Russophobes and anti-Putin propagandists with tin-foil on don't understand is that: every time they point a finger at Putin and Russia, the remaining four fingers are pointing back at them. A lot of these clowns are just too rigid to shake off the cold war era, when radio free Europe reigned supreme. And the irony of it all is that: even at the peak of the cold war - apart from the elites in power and uneducated/half-baked folks who make up the majority in the West - majority of the educated class in the West have never been anti-Soviet/anti-Russia. Heck, all the biggest socialist groups in the West during that era were formed on the campuses of the best Universities in the axis. From Oxford, to Cambridge, to Harvard, to MIT, to Stanford etc. That alone should paint a picture of the average IQ of those who spread these propaganda articles and the crowd that they're targeting. Now back to the critiques. You can say Russia moved away from its traditional base. However, how's the West different? We live in a century where socialists are on the rise all over the West. Francois Hollande, the French president, won on the platform Parti Socialiste - the only socialist party in France. Jeremy Corbyn of Labour Party in the UK, the main opposition, is an unrepentant socialist. Bernie Sanders, an unrepentant socialist, might be the next flag bearer of the US democratic party in the next presidential election. Etc. And in the US, you also have a case where a nutjob, Donald Trump, who's neither conservative in the real sense of it and not to the left - leading the polls. Then you have a next candidate who's trying to create a family dynasty - something against the ideals of the US founding fathers. So how's the west also sticking to its traditional base/values? Isn't this a case of pot and kettle? Also, a cursory look at modern western societies would show that most of the countries are more tilted to the left than the right. Isn't that a shift as well? The "Western apologies of Kremlin policies" are the brightest minds in the West who understand realpolitik and the role of geopolitics in the survival of humanity, based on objectivity. The west had its chance in Russia, after the collapse of the Soviet Union - what did it do? It installed a drunkard in Yeltsin; destroyed all its institutions; and auctioned off almost all its assets. Thus creating oligarchs, while driving the country into an economic crisis. Evidently, you can't blame Russians for loving the man who saved them from the abyss and misery the west drove them into, regardless of his background and methods. He saved Russia and even Mikhail Gorbachev, and all the biggest players from the west during the cold era agree with this. The West also had it chance when Russia was weak, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, to do the right thing under its sole leadership. But what did it do? It renegaded on all agreements of the post-Berlin-wall not to expand further east. It started so many unnecessary wars, thus destroying tens of millions of lives and turning a handful of countries into failed states. So you can't be mad when folks see Putin and Russia as the "saviour" to bring succour to a world being systematically destroyed by war mongers in the West. When you look at the mess the West created in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and now Syria. And how the west only knows how to destroy and not rebuild. Then what Putin and Russia have been able to achieve in Syria within a short period, despite the systematic destruction the west created there for almost five years. You can't help but admire the man. This is where you have to separate intelligent/critical thinkers - from linear thinkers/bots/nutters. The West also created the Islamic nutjobs who have now become a threat to everyone. No amount of smear campaign can change the fact that Putin is the greatest leader of this generation. And it's not shocking that majority of learned/educated people in the west are some of his biggest fans and a lot do wish he was leading their countries - not the idiotic mugs parading themselves as leaders. Yes, we're proud Western apologies of Kremlin policies and there's no shame in supporting a man who keeps taking western leaders to school all the time. Love him or loathe him, Putin saved Russia and he might save the world as well from utter destruction. This is the Russian century and a multi-polar world is on the horizon. Deal with it. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Amoto94(m): 10:18am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Someone up here is saying the Western elites love Putin and his policies, that's because they're far away from Russia and listen to Russian propaganda. Ask the East Europeans how they feel about Russia and Central-Asians? They will tell a different story and expose the evil intent of Russia across the region and in the international arena. 2 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Underground: 10:38am On Feb 27, 2016 |
Help me out here, Missy89. You post an anti-Russian article detailing the "origins and motives of Russia’s current domestic and foreign behavior." Yet it's on record that you have declared your support for Putin's actions in Syria. So are you pro Russian as far as their actions in Syria go only but anti-Russian (or maybe Russophobic) in the grand scheme of things? What's the deal? Shed some light on this contradiction. Secondly, if you are indeed in support of Putin's actions in Syria, why in Heaven's name are you picking up squabbles on several threads "refuting" what's been posted there as far as the events in Syria go? It just seems to me like your stance/message is incoherent and vacillating and you are just flailing all over all picking up fights that lead nowhere. Are you going to "refute" what those US senators and congressmen/women, generals and intelligence officers, diplomats and journalists, etc have been saying about the origins of ISIS, their supporters and the need to withdraw support for this myriad of "rebel" groups and/or cooperate with Russia in Syria? 2 Likes |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by vedaxcool(m): 11:16am On Feb 27, 2016 |
The Body count of the Soviet Union Although it is frequently considered as an example of communist genocide, the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan represents a borderline case, according to Frank Wayman and Atsushi Tago.[12] Prior to the Soviet invasion, the PDPA executed between 10,000 and 27,000 people, mostly at Pul-e-Charkhi prison.[153][154][155] After the invasion in 1979, the Soviets installed the puppet government of Babrak Karmal, but it was never clearly stabilized as a communist regime and was in a constant state of war. By 1987, about 80% of the country's territory was permanently controlled by neither the pro-Communist government (and supporting Soviet troops) nor by the armed opposition. To tip the balance, the Soviet Union used a tactic that was a combination of "scorched earth" policy and "migratory genocide": by systematically burning the crops and destroying villages in rebel provinces, as well as by reprisal bombing of entire villages suspected of harbouring or supporting the resistance, the Soviets tried to force the local population to move to the Soviet controlled territory, thereby depriving the armed opposition of their support.[156] By the time the Soviets withdrew in 1988, 1 to 1.5 million people had been killed, mostly Afghan civilians, and one-third of Afghanistan's population had been displaced.[157][not in citation given] M. Hassan Kakar argued that "the Afghans are among the latest victims of genocide by a superpower."[158] Mass graves of executed prisoners have been exhumed dating back to the Soviet er Within the Soviet Union, forced changes in agricultural policies (collectivization) and droughts caused the Soviet famine of 1932–1933.[160][161][162][163] The famine was most severe in the Ukrainian SSR, where it is often referenced as the Holodomor. A significant portion of the famine victims (3–3.5 million) were Ukrainians while the total number of victims in the Soviet Union is estimated to be 6 – 8 millions.[164][165][verification needed][166] The Soviet government during Joseph Stalin's rule conducted a series of deportations on an enormous scale that significantly affected the ethnic map of the USSR. D[b]eportations took place under extremely harsh conditions, often in cattle carriages, with hundreds of thousands of deportees dying en route.[/b][178] Some experts estimate that the number of deaths from the deportations could be as high as one in three in certain cases.[179][180] Regarding the fate of the Crimean Tatars, Amir Weiner of Stanford University writes that the policy could be classified as "ethnic cleansing". In the book Century of Genocide, Lyman H Legters writes "We cannot properly speak of a completed genocide, only of a process that was genocidal in its potentiality." Source Yet in Putin's mind the collapse of such a godless vile regime was a catastrophe? A regime that was oppressive to people who fell under its dominion, when one individual thinks so highly of such a vile regime, then he is even worse than the west he complains about. He is actually manipulating folks who are incapable of understanding Putin narrow minded politics. When I see Africans shouting Russia interest, i begin to wonder whether someone was dropped on his head or hit hard by a horse, It was the Europeans interest to colonise you, that it is in their strategic interest does not and will never make it right, until they understand there is such a thing as right and wrong, then any discussion with them is futile. In Syria they support in the same cynical manner like USSR in Afghanistan support a repressive regime that literally destroyed its country, murders it people and perpetuate evil. Russia today can only be considered standing on a high ground by people who lack any understanding of what morals means. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: The Flaws Of The Putinversteher’s Russian Hermeneutics by Missy89(f): 2:25pm On Feb 27, 2016 |
Underground: There is nothing anti russian about it. I haven't seen your comments on " anti-american" threads yet. Of course, Russia's intervention wasn't actually a bad thing initially. But since it is now hard to mask the idea that Russia's reason for intervening is not to fight IS but to look for leverage, what is the problem if I point that out? Besides, the article hardly talked about syria. I am neither pro Russian or anti Russian. I would think no reasonable or informed person will support every behaviour of a country. You talk about different situation differently and compare what is similar and what is not. There is nothing to refute. Keep in mind, Assad has been accused of buying oil from IS and Russian companies have been indicted for trading with IS and even working for fix one of the refineries in IS territory too. I haven't seen you guys refute that. 2 Likes |
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