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Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by bayooz(m): 1:01pm On Mar 07, 2016
We received the death of the Minister of State for Labour and Productivity and his wife and son yesterday. Let us ponder on the incident.
1. The Lexus Gx570 is one of the latest with safety kits. Why the multiple somersaults?
2. How many occupants were in vehicle? Between 6-7?
3. Why the minister and his family died, others survived? Where were they sitting before the sad event?
4. At what likely speed did the tire burst and the vehicle became uncontrollable?
5. What burst the tire ?
6. All the airbags were seemingly deployed. But it seemed some occupants were flunged out.
7 What happened to the traction, abs, vsc etc. Were they problematic?
8. Is the driver under some influence?
9. Was the vehicle overloaded?


Siena and co. I need mechanics and physics of this unfortunate event.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Lexusgs430: 1:20pm On Mar 07, 2016
If all unseen safety devices activated, but seatbelts are not worn.
It simply negates all the airbags and curtainbags!!!
NB: Driving skills is also very important.

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Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by luvinhubby(m): 1:59pm On Mar 07, 2016
Seat belts are meant to be worn by all vehicle occupants & not only the two seated at front. The minister obviously was flung out & died of the impact because he had no seat belt on.

There are recommended speed limits which was obviously violated and is always being violated by V.I.P convoys, hence the difficulty in controlling the vehicle when tyre bursts at such speeds.

It is highly unusual for genuine brand new tubeless tyres to burst on motion, except poorly China cloned or ruptured by a sharp object on the highway.

VSA & ABS systems work on slippery roads mainly and will offer little assistance if brakes are forcefully applied if tyres burst on high speed.


Caution - Maintain very reasonable speed limits even if you are driving the best of new vehicles.

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Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Nobody: 2:18pm On Mar 07, 2016
You lost a tyre u are talking traction control. More like talking ABS when ur brake pads are dead.
The problem is most Nigerian drivers know nothing about driving dynamics. They believe the larger the the safer, they see SUVs as invincible on the highway.
You need to see how they speed and drive into corners with those SUVs .
The day Someone said SUVs are more balance than sedans that was when I realised we have a long way to go.
For crying out loud the warnings are boldly written in these SUVs. Yet they keep driving wrecklessly and somersaulting.
Some Nigerians even believe once u are not occupying the front seat u don't need to fasten the seat belts....smh

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Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by 9icetoo(m): 11:14pm On Mar 07, 2016
bayooz:
We received the death of the Minister of State for Labour and Productivity and his wife and son yesterday. Let us ponder on the incident.
1. The Lexus Gx570 is one of the latest with safety kits. Why the multiple somersaults?
2. How many occupants were in vehicle? Between 6-7?
3. Why the minister and his family died, others survived? Where were they sitting before the sad event?
4. At what likely speed did the tire burst and the vehicle became uncontrollable?
5. What burst the tire ?
6. All the airbags were seemingly deployed. But it seemed some occupants were flunged out.
7 What happened to the traction, abs, vsc etc. Were they problematic?
8. Is the driver under some influence?
9. Was the vehicle overloaded?


Siena and co. I need mechanics and physics of this unfortunate event.
1. it has a high centre of gravity and is more susceptible to rollover if something goes awry e.g a blowout.
2. the number of occupants had no factor in the event.
3. those that survived (driver) had their seat belts on and were restrained during the somersaults. those who didn't have their seat belts on were thrown about like ragdolls.
4. VIP convoys in Nigeria drive like they have a death wish. they constantly violate speed limits and leave very little room for error with their manner of driving hence the high casualty figures whenever they get involved in an accident. they may have been travelling at over 140km/hr.
5. anything could have burst the tire e.g pothole, manufacturers defect, over inflation, road debris e.tc. my bet is on over inflation.
6. occupants who didnt have their belts on were flung out. accidents do not respect persons.
7. traction control, abs and co won't do shit in a blowout. your presence of mind, calmness, speed of thought, lady luck and skill as a driver will see you through.
8. only forensic (which we lack here) can tell that.
9. I doubt it was overloaded. he had several other cars in the convoy to carry stuffs.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by GarbaAudu: 12:40am On Mar 08, 2016
It has been confirmed that nobody survived in that car crash. Those that got injured are in the 2nd SUV (escort). The Lexus hits a deep pothole at 120mph. The last survivor (the driver) died today in Abuja Hospital. Too bad.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by 44chux(m): 1:05am On Mar 08, 2016
GarbaAudu:
It has been confirmed that nobody survived in that car crash. Those that got injured are in the 2nd SUV (escort). The Lexus hits a deep pothole at 120mph. The last survivor (the driver) died today in Abuja Hospital. Too bad.

120mph is about 193km/h
Are you sure?
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by GAZZUZZ(m): 3:14am On Mar 08, 2016
those that don't wear seat belts in a car pose a great risk to those that wear. Their Heads become a tool of mass destruction, when a head hits another during a rollover or sudden impact, it's a good as a head hitting col tar or metal.

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Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by sooperrescue(m): 5:22am On Mar 08, 2016
The tyre is the reason for the accident. I will bet a naira if the tyre is not temperature b and speed index of T which is very commonly fitted on these suvs by unscrupulous importers of these vehicles. I once checked the tyres fitted on a Lexus driven by a former minister of works and it had a speed index rating of H. I practically had to beg his protocol to change those tyres in order to avoid the occurence of what just happened.

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Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by GarbaAudu: 7:02am On Mar 08, 2016
44chux:


120mph is about 193km/h
Are you sure?
As scary as it looks, yes according to the other driver. If you've ever route Abuja - Kaduna expressway the average speed of most vehicles (pricey ones) is 110mph. Smooth road with very few obscured but terrible potholes.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Ricmayak1: 8:04am On Mar 08, 2016
9icetoo:

1. it has a high centre of gravity and is more susceptible to rollover if something goes awry e.g a blowout.
2. the number of occupants had no factor in the event.
3. those that survived (driver) had their seat belts on and were restrained during the somersaults. those who didn't have their seat belts on were thrown about like ragdolls.
4. VIP convoys in Nigeria drive like they have a death wish. they constantly violate speed limits and leave very little room for error with their manner of driving hence the high casualty figures whenever they get involved in an accident. they may have been travelling at over 140km/hr.
5. anything could have burst the tire e.g pothole, manufacturers defect, over inflation, road debris e.tc. my bet is on over inflation.
6. occupants who didnt have their belts on were flung out. accidents do not respect persons.
7. traction control, abs and co won't do shit in a blowout. your presence of mind, calmness, speed of thought, lady luck and skill as a driver will see you through.
8. only forensic (which we lack here) can tell that.
9. I doubt it was overloaded. he had several other cars in the convoy to carry stuffs.
Under inflated tires are more dangerous than over inflated tires.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Drgreatone: 1:07pm On Mar 08, 2016
Ricmayak1:

Under inflated tires are more dangerous than over inflated tires.
Its the other way round,under inflated tires worsen ur mpg while overinflated av an increased risk of blowing out...buh then i may be wrong smiley)
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Ricmayak1: 9:49pm On Mar 08, 2016
Drgreatone:

Its the other way round,under inflated tires worsen ur mpg while overinflated av an increased risk of blowing out...buh then i may be wrong smiley)
Yeah! You are right to say you may be wrong. Under inflated tires overheats which causes blowout. Although, over inflation causes tire deformation, reduced braking, it is not as dangerous as under inflation.
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Nobody: 12:01am On Mar 09, 2016
U are → (RIGHT).
many are arguing that SUVs are faster than sedan, many Nigerians go to sch but dont even apply there knowledge in there lifes. In a car, weight, height, aerodynamics these matters. Our DUMP DUMP DUMP, government officials dont obey speed limits 80% they always want to be on the lead. Those SUV's and 4×4 that the uneducated government use are meant for offroad and not HIGH SPEED. And with only few aerodynamic modification for perfect speed and stability.


kokaneprodigy:
You lost a tyre u are talking traction control. More like talking ABS when ur brake pads are dead.
The problem is most Nigerian drivers know nothing about driving dynamics. They believe the larger the the safer, they see SUVs as invincible on the highway.
You need to see how they speed and drive into corners with those SUVs .
The day Someone said SUVs are more balance than sedans that was when I realised we have a long way to go.
For crying out loud the warnings are boldly written in these SUVs. Yet they keep driving wrecklessly and somersaulting.
Some Nigerians even believe once u are not occupying the front seat u don't need to fasten the seat belts....smh
Re: Forensic Analysis Of Ocholis Accident by Nobody: 5:12am On Mar 11, 2016
1) he should've been in an ls instead of lx

2) the burst tire had been ran over inflated for many miles

3) the burst tire is a unidirectional tire and was installed the wrong way

4) that tire seems to me to be for a sedan and not a behemoth porky pig that's been driven at great speed on bad roads.

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