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Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2013: 1:48pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Jesus wants to show the Pharisees that "Sabbath was made for humans, not humans for the Sabbath" and so reminds them of what the great King David had done when he and his men were hungry, how they went into the Temple "when Abiathar was the high priest" and ate the show bread, which was only for the priests to eat. Mark 2:23-26 One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?” He answered, “Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need? In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.” One of the wellknown problems of the passage above is that when one looks at the Old Testament passage that Jesus is citing (1 Sam. 21:16), it turns out that David did this not when Abiathar was the high priest, but, in fact, when Abiathar's father Ahimelech was. 1 Samuel 1-6. Then came David to Nob to Ahimelech the priest: and Ahimelech was afraid at the meeting of David, and said unto him, Why art thou alone, and no man with thee? And David said unto Ahimelech the priest,.... . Now therefore what is under thine hand? give me five loaves of bread in mine hand, or what there is present. And the priest answered David, and said, There is no common bread under mine hand, but there is hallowed bread; if the young men have kept themselves at least from women. So the priest gave him hallowed bread : for there was no bread there but the showbread, that was taken from before the LORD, to put hot bread in the day when it was taken away. In other words, this is one of those passages that have been pointed to in order to show that the Bible is not inerrant at all but contains mistakes. Cc: truthman2012 annunaki, gimakon, parisbookaddict.. No baseless assumption pleAse. Truthman 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Emypresh(m): 2:03pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Take God to Court nah....Since you sabi pass person wey write the Bible. Professor 2 Likes |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by udatso: 2:22pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Emypresh:bUt na WA for You oooo. Na God write the Bible? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Medicis(m): 2:55pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
First Samuel is correct in stating that the high priest was Ahimelech. On the other hand neither was Jesus wrong. When we take a closer look at Christ’s words we notice that He used the phrase “in the days of Abiathar” (v. 26) which does not necessarily imply that Abiathar was high priest at the time David ate the bread. After David met Ahimelech and ate the bread, King Saul had Ahimelech killed ( 1 Sam. 22:17–19 ). Abiathar escaped and went to David (v. 20) and later took the place of the high priest. So even though Abiathar was made high priest after David ate the bread, it is still correct to speak in this manner. After all, Abiathar was alive when David did this, and soon following he became the high priest after his father’s death. Thus, it was during the time of Abiathar, but not during his tenure in office. Abiathar was a high priest during David’s reign as king, and he is mentioned some 29 times in the Old Testament in relation to his priestly role. Those familiar with the Hebrew Bible in the 1st century (when The Gospel of Mark was written) would easily connect Abiathar to David, so Mark 2:26 is merely reminding readers of the time frame of David’s eating the consecrated bread. The words “the high priest,” coming after “Abiathar” are just his title, much like we might say, “When President Obama attended college, he made many friends.” Obama was not president while he was in college, but whenever we mention Obama, we refer to him as President Obama. 8 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Emypresh(m): 3:14pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Na God inspire the person wey write am. udatso: 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2013: 4:16pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Medicis: Nice copy and paste as well as attempt to twist what the verse implies. Even your Obama analogy is illogical.. Its just like saying "in the days of yaradua" when actually Obasanjo was still the president.. So your explanation will be that, because yaradua was in existence then, it is the same thing as saying "in the days of Yaradua".. Absolute poo.. Nice LIE though, but we will pass.. Who else? Especially those listed in the op 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by achinaboy(m): 4:24pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
well this abiathar sef, maybe he go fit save us from buhari |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Scholar8200(m): 5:04pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Besides, Abiathar was the son of an high priest, and succeeded his father in the office: and might be at this time his deputy, who acted for him, or he by has advice; and according to a rule the Jews (l) themselves give, "the son of an high priest, who is deputed by his father in his stead, , "lo! he is called an high priest".'' So that Abiathar might at this time be called the high priest; and is the rather mentioned, because he was the more eminent and famous man; and whom the Jews call (m) Urim and Thummim, because there was much inquiry made by them; in his and his father's days, and very little after: BY John Gill biblehub.com Reference: (l) Siphra, fol. 17. 2. apud Kidder's Demonstration of the Messiah, par. 2. p. 73. Summary means Jesus spoke using a style familiar to the Jews. That is why they made this accusation: Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. John 5:18 They saw the son as equal to the father. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Medicis(m): 5:05pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
truthman2013:Jesus did not say during the tenure of Abiathar the high priest, he used the phrase "in the days of Abiathar". Was Abiathar not alive when David ate the bread?? When Muslims talk about the childhood of prophet muhammad why do they call him prophet. Was he a prophet when he was Child?? 2 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nadheer15: 5:21pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by udatso: 7:31pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Emypresh:You mean the people that wrote it. Do you mean each word in the Bible was inspired by God 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2013: 9:30pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Medicis: You absolutely don't get it. My point point is not whether Abiathar was an HIGH PRIEST or not, my point is who was the high priest when David and his companions ate 5 loaves of concecrated bread. Jesus said Abiathar was the high priest when actually it was Ahimelech. I think my Yaradua/OBJ analogy is clear enough, no? truthman. |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2013: 9:54pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Scholar8200: Hmmn.. Another nice lie. The son of an High Priest is also called an High priest.. Nice lie |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Scholar8200(m): 10:19pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
truthman2013:It is alright to express your opinion. Until you can prove it with facts, it remains your opinion! 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Nobody: 10:22pm On Mar 17, 2016 |
Emypresh:Fixed |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by asalimpo(m): 1:36am On Mar 18, 2016 |
hmmm , interesting. so op, howdid you find it? Did you google "errors in the bible" or did you go on youtube or were you reading through the bible studiously checking up on every claim and statement for yourself? I'm curious to know. 1 Like |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by asalimpo(m): 1:48am On Mar 18, 2016 |
It depends on the linguistic style of those days. Translated in today's style, such statement could be controversial, but Jesus was addressing people in his times, and speaking in their idioms and language. So the correct evaulation would be to see if His comment was false even at that time rather than evaluate it by a future standard. on the other hand look at similar rephrasing: In the days of Abiather , David went to the temple and helped himself to some bread. Peter: "Which Abiathar"? Jesus: " Abiather who later became High priest". If His statement could be understood without the necessary verbosity then He is right. So the question is was his expression right ? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by malvisguy212: 8:53am On Mar 18, 2016 |
truthman2013:educated rilwayne who did not understand the phrase "IN HIS DAYS" let me give you an example. If we say IN HIS DAYS when david was a king, he kill golieth. David was not king as of that time, but was I wrong for calling david king although he was yet a king ? Fool, david was design to be king, so I was right for using the phrase " IN HIS DAYS" the same way jesus was right for using the phrase " IN HIS DAYS" because Abiathar was soon to be high priest and this is what he is most remembered for, hence he is designated by this title. Moreover, the event certainly did happen ‘in the days of Abiathar’, as he was alive and present during the incident. We know from 1 Samuel 22:20 that he narrowly escaped when his father’s whole family and their town was destroyed by Saul’s men. Therefore, the bible did not contradict the event. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by dolphinheart(m): 12:00pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
truthman2013: Sometimes, difficulty in translation might bring up something that might look false. But if the desire of reading the scriptures is not to find fault, one might understand what the passage is saying. 1. Jesus was not trying to tell you who the high priest was at a particular time, he was passing a more important message , using an event that occured during the days of someonelse. 2. There might be many abiathers known to the Jews then, and they used other additions to their names to different them. Therefore jesus would have said "abathiar the high priest " to show which abathiar he was talking about. 3. Why did jesus mention abathiar and not ahimelech. This answer can be deduced from jesus first statement " did you not read?". Therefore it was posible that in the history books available in the temple, abathair was the one who recorded the events as happening in his days. Note, he was the only one who escaped, he was in the best position to write the event and the cause of the event down. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by dragunov: 1:50pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
Medicis:You get sense die my brother. You Too much 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by dragunov: 1:52pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
truthman2013:Dude, your ability to comprehend a simple discourse is amazingly poor. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by zenith4biz(m): 5:38pm On Mar 18, 2016 |
In the days of Osibanjo Dollar to Naira is $1 : #320 In the days of President Osibanjo Dollar to Naira is $1 : #320 If you can differentiate the two statements you don't have any problem with the Bible verse |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by paulGrundy(m): 11:21pm On Mar 20, 2016 |
dolphinheart: Actually both men were alive at that time. Abiathar was Ahimelech's son. Abiathar became the high priest after his father. Mark 2:23-26 is saying that this event in which David entered the House of God happened during the time of Abiathar, and that is correct. It did happen during the time of Abiathar. However, Abiathar was not yet the high priest. But the passage isn't necessarily claiming that he was the high priest at that point. Instead, the verse is identifying Abiathar as high priest, which is true, and it is saying that the event took place during Abiathar's time, which is also true. Imagine if someone said, "I knew President Buhari when he was a student at Ahmadu bello university..." That person of course would not be claiming that Buhari was actually president while still a student at ABU Zaria. No, he would only be identifying Buhari as president and as a student at ABU. Nothing more, nothing less. So why would Mark 2:23-26 speak of Abiathar instead of Ahimelech? Perhaps because Abiathar was better known. Abiathar shared a lot of adventures with David. The two are linked together in several Biblical accounts. And it is quite possible that many of the Rabbis during the time of Jesus held the memory of Abiathar in high regard, and Jesus would have known that. As for the issue of whether David was alone - Mark 2:23-26 does NOT say that David's men entered the House of God with David. It only says that David himself entered. And it explains why he entered - because he and his men were hungry. But it never says anything about his men entering the House of God. It only says that David entered the House of God and got the bread, which he presumably later gave to his men. There is no conflict there. |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by menxer: 12:07pm On May 15, 2016 |
Medicis: Your argument is faulty. Is it right to say that in the days of PMB crude sold at $120/bl, since he was alive but not yet the President, when crude oil sold at that price? Dates and events are always referenced with regards to the authority figure at the time. |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by truthman2012(m): 6:49pm On May 15, 2016 |
Medicis: Thread totally debunked !!!! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Clear Error In The Bible: God Could Not Make Such A Mistake by Medicis(m): 8:23pm On Jul 30, 2016 |
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