cap28:

this sounds very interesting i will definitely want to be a part of it - thanks for posting

I await your mail my brother

Its time to deliver another lyrical beatdown!

morpheus24:

I really don't know what you going about there. the analogy is limited to the context in which it was written.

Your limited kowledge is making you look like a poor soul indeed; if you want to present a logical argument you start it with a VALID premise otherwise those who attempt to give a logical analysis will give an invalid conclusion.

morpheus24:

If you wish to explore additional information to build on an arguement then say so.

Oh no! That means you want me to COMPLETE an incomplete analogy – do it yourself lazy pants.   

morpheus24:

If I added information that the KINGPIN got the drugs from his COCA plantation in columbia what does that do for you in response to the premise or the questions asked?

If I told you he "introduced the drugs via dropping them off in truck loads in the middle of the night, how would that clarify anything for you?

Such loose, non-sensical inferences would allow one to reach a rapid conclusion – INVALID ANALOGY.

Morpheus attending a Job interview for an Actuarial Officer

job interviewer:      “morpheus what are your qulifications”?
morpheus:             “I am smart”
job interviewer:            “But what did you study and where”?
Morpheus:                    “Look I am smart! Would it make any difference if I told you I dropped out of school”?
job interviewer:           “Yes it would you dummy, get out of here”!

Can you see why you are an unemployed bum now?

morpheus24:

The black people are "passive' using your interpretation. The inference is made by you not me. What particular information insinuates this?

An argument is made up of a premise and inferences which allow logical minded individuals to reach a VALID logical conclusion.  YOU NEED TO GIVE A COMPLETE ANALOGY otherwise, one might as well ignore you – get it now thicko?

morpheus24:

You haven't really said anything intelligible or provided a logical rebutal.

I CANNOT ANALYSE INCOMPLETE INFORMATION – I refuse to sink to your level!

morpheus24:

For a premise to be false or INVALID it most contain illogical conclusions. You haven't stated what they are?

Oh no!!! you are so ignorant! How can you reach a conclusion when the premise is INVALID?  Thats like saying you can enter a concert with a fake ticket. 

cdoffx:

Definitely you know i'm in

Kedu kà ímèrè? Ekaabo! Salam a lekun!

[size=18pt] Yes we can! [/size]

S@mi:

Thank you very much . I had a thought towards the same project we are talking about now and it's not a one man job . I am more concern about re-branding Africans and culture which I think is very important an the only way we can do this is by starting online by opening a webpage then little by little we ill get there . what do you all think about this suggestion? .

That is so true, but I think that to improve the image of Africa we need to do some work! Too many attempts have been made to re-brand Africa (recently with Dora) but it always fails because we have not made the sacrifices. For example if Nigerians discover an alternative form of energy and commercialise it WITHOUT any help from the government (private African investors) That would change the whole equation and revolutionise the continent. Assuming that other Africans do not rest on their laurels but try to emulate that type of success. why can't it be done?

I have got the ball rolling https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-645293.0.html

isale_gan2:

Cap28 is only one man.  He can't do it all by himself.  E ma paa o. 


Lumumba was one of the greatest leaders Africa will ever see.  His story should be taught to every black child no matter where they are.  Unbelievable!  He had to be snuffed out so we could end up with the despots and oyinbo-worshippers with whom we are now saddled.  Who doesn't love that.   

isale_gan2, e pele o! Ah, moni ki gbogbo wa sowo po ni, oya e bawa soro https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-645293.0.html

Following a discussion I had with a few members of this site, we have decided to start a brand new African organisation.  Okay, I know what you are thinking – not another one of those! No its not this is NEW! Because we are in a new age at a new time.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT   portesting and winging
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   All blacks unite and it will be alright – we are not all the same!!!!
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   POLITICS
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   partying and posing
THIS IS NOT ABOUT   using big grammar to prove we have a degree

THIS IS ABOUT

letting our hard work from an African perspective generate its own steam inorder to uplift the image and spirit of Africa.

WHAT CAN WE DO?

# We can develop our cultures – starting from Nigeria (I presume most of us are Nigerian)
#  Teach one another
#  Re-orientate our eurocentric education towards an African centered education
#  Pool our skills and expertise together to solve African problems on a micro and macro level
    - the solution to an Igbo problem will not be the same as the solution to an Hausa problem
#  carry out independent research
#  create, discover and develop communication amonst our different ethnic groups.
#  Communicate in our languages
#  Tackle social problems that hinder the family unit – weak families lead to weak leaders.
#  Use these activities to brainstorm and develop African products (fund it ourselves or raise capital)
- This will lead to the creation of jobs and self sufficient living.
#  Any other ideas?

WHAT NEXT?

This belongs to all of us, it will not be easy and we will see the results in 5 to 10 years if we work hard.  We cannot afford to expect easy, quick results we have to work for it together!

emmatok:

OK, if you claim Gadaffi did not kill any one in Lybia, why is he ressisting the revolution after 40 years in power.

The same revolution took place in Algeria and Egypt, an there are accounts of govt troops killing their people.

Hey Emma! stop it! First of all the revolution took place in Tunisia before it took place in Egypt if you are referring to 2010 - 2011;  secondly, both countries had a western media present before and during the revolutions.  But Libya was closed to the west and they did not have a clue what was going on, they bombed him based on assumptions and accusations! Do you think a revolution should happen in Libya just  because it happened in those 2 countries?

emmatok:


I watch Gadaffi and his son Salim speak on Ajazerra , CNN and BBC.

I think you mean Saif al- Islam? Hey Emma if you are an average person glued to those channels then i am afriad you have been brainwashed!      try to read more widely, so you can get a balanced view okay! Have you heard of the killings ion Bahrain? In the Yemen? In Syria? Did you know there was an uprising in Saudi Arabia? Did you know the Saudis sent troops and tanks into Bahrain? Have you heard of the Israelis bombing palestinians? Why have they all not been bombed by Nato and the U.S?

emmatok:


Those people you call rebels were actually Lybian citizens , they do not even know how to use the weapon they have. but they have to fight for their souls.

No! Most of them were part of Gadaffis so called Brutal regime 8 weeks ago, why are they saints now? They are his ex-soldiers, policemen, civil servants, al qaeda and yes some gullible citizens

morpheus24:

Peep this analogy out in terms of  logic:

KINGPIN introduced drugs into harlem and his 'diabolical plan" was to subjugate the oprressed black people and keep them in control so he can exploit them.

stop, stop, stop ! This really exemplifies my point, you are a house niG&*A slowpoke trying to sound intelligent. Your statement has revealed your low self-esteem and lack of knowledge.

Ones culture determines the nature of ones logic; you look at everything through the eurocentric lens then try to judge Africans.  Thats like giving a short-sighted person a long-sighted lens.

Your premise is weak, false, over-simplified – at best featherbrained! With such a false premise a logical person can only conclude that the rest of your incoherrent rant is INVALID.

Where did Kingpin get the drugs from?

How did Kingpin introduce the drugs? The term 'introduced' in this context is completely, ambiguous.

Why are the so called “black people” portrayed as passive?  Everything was from the kingpin viewpoint.  The dehumanization of the Africans is biased in favour of Kingpin – due to the fact that every action has a reaction, which you failed to mention.  This further dampens your premise to a comical level, now go back and make another attempt to construct a VALID ARGUMENT.  what a twit!

morpheus24:

Where are you leading us too. That fictitious utopia where all black people are free of the opressor and living in harmony with one another under the umberalla a unified black race.

Wolfs in sheeps clothing is worse than the blind leading the blind.

Decipher that!!

Are you talking to me kid? If you took one NANOSECOND to read my points I called for a cultural revolution without winging about the past - but you had to jump in their to get noticed, what a dipstick!

;d ;d ;d

Guyman02:

@op you call them Libyan rebels; the west calls them Pro-Democracy fighters.
Who told you its the rebels that are rejecting the AU plan; No its NATO and US.
The plan is coming when the first shipment of oil has begun. 100m barrels was stolen this week worth $112m which will be paid into an account opened for the rebels in Europe.
French ships are already enroute to Ivory Coast to lift cocoa and coffee from the ports.
Who are the rebels and who are the rebel airforce? NATO.
Its like US backing Boko haram and calling them pro-Democracy fighters in Maiduguri,

Oh well, Former colonial power France has announced it will give Ivory Coast 400m euros ($575m; £350m) in emergency aid. Join the discussion  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-642516.0.html

cdoffx:

@2muchlogic
thanks so much, if i got you right what you're saying is a kind of organisation that will firstly acknowledge the diverse ethnic group around let each one work together closely on her own,then integrate the diverse ideas in such way the system looks like a confederate.
From this organisation the voice of the people can be effectively communicated to the outside world imagine if we've something like that on ground after Gbagbo has been arrested the whole people tell the french forces thank you,you can now withdraw all your troop we'll settle the rest within ourselves,rather than they coming to impose one puppet that will dance to there silly beats, i'm not saying opposition guy is, i'm only using that case as an example.
My humble question is will you just stop being advisor and let work out this thing together, i know you're as passionate about this issue as i'm and every other person here with the love of Africa at heart.

okay, I will try to get the ball rolling with you as soon as I can.

Don't you think you should change the title to   [size=13pt]African People's Congress[/size]  or something to signify that we want to make an intense contribution towards the future of Africa?

the " Lets Defend &promote Our Continent &Cry Out Against Any injustice" It makes it sound like we want to start protesting and shouting about injustice against Africa.  There is enough of that out there we need to be progressive and start BUILDING.

cap28:

its really strange how even white intellectuals understand that africans are exploited by western imperialists and yet some brain dead africans DEFEND and make excuses on behalf of their own oppressors, i would really like to know how an illiterate like Sagamite can claim to be more knowledgeable than an esteemed academic like Noam Chomsky or an intellectual juggernaut like Michael Parenti, how is it that a gibbering illiteerate like sagamite can actually think that he is more credible than this man:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKMspN-7Co

cap, why are you wasting time on educating the lost souls? some of us are born to lead and other are born to follow. There would be no balance if we were all leaders or all followers - you are needed here: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-642516.0.html

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  Organisations set up to help Africa such as NEPAD are also responsible for dampening the enthusiasm of Africans towards technology.  I just think that creation coupled with the advancement of technology should be promoted and integrated into the African way of life.  Most of their focus is on Agriculture, which is understandable however the unfortunate truth is that African governments are simply not investing enough money! In reality Africans need to take more responsibility too the government cannot do it all; is it too much for African people to initiate small projects which may attract public or private investment?

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Now you are making a fool of yourself, you insult me then return saying you don't throw insults about? 

Are you not the disrespectful boy that posted:

AjanleKoko:

[size=13pt]You're wrong. Very wrong.

You must have not been born, or have been a baby back in the 80s is all I can say. If that is the case, I don't blame you. 
Also if you don't know anything about engineering in Nigeria, or the work of Nigerian engineers, don't broadcast your ignorance here. Seek some education.[/size]

what a liar! 



You are obviously under the influence of some unpleasant substance aren't you? "Child this",  "child that" - I guarantee you i am older  than you.  Now, I told you before to get off of this thread did I not?  [size=14pt]Beat it!!![/size] silly Dog.

AjanleKoko:

You're wrong. Very wrong.

You're dumb, imeasurably dumb!

AjanleKoko:

Up till the time of IBB, the importation of a wide category of finished goods was prohibited. And all those parastatals were populated by Nigerian engineers. Not by Europeans. The Railways, NITEL, Ajaokuta, NIOMC Itakpe, the dams at Kainji and Jebba, were all operated by Nigerian engineers. Even in the early 90s as an engineering student,

now AJA learn to read, I asked a simple polite question:

[size=13pt]who built Ajaokuta? And all the other complexes you have mentioned above?[/size]

Now you obviously, cannot read properly and do not understand the word BUILT.  All you did was bore us with stories about Nigerians OPERATING a complex built by Europeans.  Stop confusing the word BUILT with OPERATE - dummy! 

AjanleKoko:

I visited Jebba and Kainji on excursion, and didn't run into any white people running operations. Most of these parastatals had very solid training schools, and routinely sent Nigerian engineers overseas on training

AJA! You're ignorance is shinning through yet again! You have just confirmed what we have both said! They studied abroad to be TRAINED up!

AjanleKoko:

Which one of the institutions I mentioned was left by the British? Can you identify one? The British left no roads, no airports, no modern power plant save a coal plant at Enugu, a barely functioning railway, very little by way of telecoms (P&T) in 1960. And you say the British left infrastructure?

Yes they did! Who is the most prestigious district in lagos named after? They colonized nigeria for decades don't you know that old man! Or did they give you brain damage before they granted Nigeria independence?

AjanleKoko:

You must have not been born, or have been a baby back in the 80s is all I can say. If that is the case, I don't blame you.
Also if you don't know anything about engineering in Nigeria, or the work of Nigerian engineers, don't broadcast your ignorance here. Seek some education.

[size=15pt]I created this thread so we can learn and enlighten ourselves with respect; but you have infiltrated it with your vulgar, senseless, waffling – what a prat.  You sound like a bitter old man trying to defend your generation for their uselesness, I am more educated than your entire family.  Stay off this thread and create your own or return for a more severe lyrical beatdown.
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cdoffx:

My fellow co patriot African brothers,we all know the problems and set back of Africa particularly the encroachment and discrimination. Everyday we talk and talk about it, but for how long do we want to keep on talking?

very true

cdoffx:

When are we going to start talking about taking actions on how to solve these problems.

Now, this is my advice. Africans are not homogeneous, if you take Nigeria for example we have hundreds of ethnic groups and languages – are we united? NO.  So where am I going with this? Well, we need a cultural revolution. 

What is culture? I would say its a way of life designed to solve problems and meet the needs of those who practice it.  So for example, at present we are practicing a culture that is alien to us because we are using English to communicate.  You are a student but you are learning things that are NOT going to advance your culture.  If you become successful you will only be able to do so in a European system.  Once you step outside the european structure you will be punished with unemployment, which leads to poverty and degredation.

So, you will have to take tough decisions and work HARD in order to generate and participate in an  eco system that is designed to create structures and strategies for your peoples success.

Nigeria today is a classic example of that problem created for them by the British.  An Igbo man can only maximize his potential in a culture which is 100% Igbo, otherwise he will have to adopt an alien culture in order to succeed.  The same applies to a Yoruba man and an hausa man.  The UK is made up of Welsh, Scotish, Irish and the English and they still have no unity.  Yet they expect Africans to do what they cannot LOL! Is the European union made up of the whole of Europe? No they will not accept the turkish because the Turkish are seen as “less european”.  Will the french President speak in Romanian? Will the German chancellor speak in Lithuanian?

I can write a thesis on this but what I am saying is you need to become the change you want to see.  If you want to create an AFRICAN organisation you have to create the FRAMEWORK for hundreds of Africans to operate within that framework.  All Africans have a language and culture, yet they only speak english or french to interact with each other and consider themselves to be educated when they speak English or french. Therefore the organisation will have to enable each ethnic group to work and interact according to their respective culture.

Look at the nigerian elections, everyone is simply voting for someone who is from the same ethnic group as themselves.  Hence politically the country is split along ethnic lines, so why can't the country be split now peacefully and come together under the banner of Nigeria? Why are they trying to manage the unmanageable? 

If we maximize ourselves within our own ethnic culture then we can come together and co-operate; rather than waste time and energy being FAKE and settling disputes to appear not to be tribalistic.  Tribalism is the dumbest word invented by oyinbos to keep us divided.  Why don't europeans call themselves TRIBES? Its a degrading word used to make us sound primitive.  So what happens in Brussels every day? The English tribe (angles and saxes which is a german tribe) puts on head phones and listens to the french and Spanish and … whilst interpreters laugh all the way to the bank.  Why do we Africans have to speak english or french?

cdoffx:

If our leaders has failed us,are we going to fail ourselves. We all here've brains full of ideas let propose way out.

Africa is the treasure base of the planet earth and we own our treasure and it should be for our freedom,growth and development. Remember no one hands out freedom for free but people grab it. God bless our treasure filled continent.

My proposal for the way out is for African people to embrace and develop their individual cultures; with a view to co-operate with other Africans.  The focus will be on family values, technology, economics and language.

The real treasure is the African people! This change will not occur in a couple of years! We are talking about 10 years minimum! Forget the silly politics, its the same old thing! Forget the raw materials in the ground, it will take hundreds of years for them to be exhausted anyway.  What about resources that have not been discovered yet? Who will discover them? Are we waiting for the Europeans to come along in 4 years and say “hey! Chad will be the next superpower of Africa because they have the largest deposits of a substance we use for our space rockets”.  There are thousands if not millions of species and resources the europeans do not have a clue about what are we waiting for?

My proposal for the way out is for African people to embrace and develop their individual cultures; with a view to co-operate with other Africans.  There should be an intense focus on 4 main areas: family values, technology, economics and language.  We will be split into different groups based on ethnicity and location;  each group will meet regularly to tackle the 4 areas above.  Then ALL groups will meet every month to share problems and solutions in a non-european manner devised by ourselves.  This will have to be a continuous, repetitive, disciplened exercise until we get it right.

We need to re-discover, improve and implement our cultural values.  Only until we can deal with these micro issues, will we be able to develop a foundation to tackle all the larger social, political and economic problems that besiege us on a dialy basis globally.

AjanleKoko:

Nah, you got it wrong.
Prior to 1985, we were manufacturing a lot of stuff in Nigeria. Both public and private sector. The manufacturing and production sectors were very active, and we only imported raw materials that could not be refined in Nigeria.

Well, I can see where cdoffx is coming from, Nigeria may have manufactured more in the olden days but it was unimpressive at best and we can see the results today.  If Nigeria was manufacturing substantial amounts of goods and services, the country would have a high number of exports too match. Name me ONE car manufactured in Nigeria that has been exported (NOT ASSEMBLED ) Name me ONE reliable Electronic brand manufactured in nigeria NOT ASSEMBLED ) that has been exported.

AjanleKoko:

OBJ's indigenization decree of the 1970s also ensured that ownership of a lot of MNCs passed to Nigeria. We had sunk serious investment into the development of iron ore and steel, our refineries were online and functioning, and we had an enviable Naira to Dollar exchange rate, the best in sub saharan Africa.

Ever heard of Union Dicon Salt? Ajaokuta Steel? Nigerian Iron Ore Mining Company in Itakpe? Delta Steel, Aladja?, Nigerian Sugar Company, Bacita?

Investement or ITT, who built Ajaokuta? And all the other complexes you have mentioned above? It was Europeans not Nigerians.  How many Nigerians did they employ? despite all the so called Engineers we have in that country,  this still happens today.  Foreign contractors employ their own nationals and build basic infrastructure such as roads and bridges.  This proves most Africans have no proven, practical skills – they are just book warriors.  Even when the exchange rate was N2 to £1 the infrastructure left by the British colonial rulers was crumbling while the politicians squabled and looted. The economy was in better shape up to the early 80s due to the foundation left by the British, since their exodus we can see the value added by Nigerians – nothing.

AjanleKoko:

When you think about all these things, you'll realise that governance is the only problem Africa needs to solve. We have the right minds and a teeming population, eager to work and be productive. What we don't have is the right leadership.

There will never be good leadership until Africans STOP practicing a system of government that is alien to them.

[size=20pt]Anambra[/size]:  http://www.osundefender.org/?p=14418

I thought he only had a couple of hours left This is getting messy.

cap28:


my brother im well thanks

good 

cap28:


bro, lets just clarify one thing here, Gadaffi did nothing to deserve the economic sanctions that were imposed on libya, Gadaffi is the victim here.  Lets talk about lockerbie, have you researched the evidence on this case? 

yes

cap28:

Are  you aware that there IS NO CONCLUSIVE EVIDENCE IMPLICATING LIBYA ON LOCKERBIE,

It depends on who you listen to.

cap28:

okay i know what you're thinking, why did gadaffi then pay £2.7 billion in compensation to the relatives of the victims

I was not thinking about that at all – after a 12 year slog he was shunned by the west who were afraid and unaware of his chemical weapons program.  When he realized he could not win , he decided to be prudent and sent his son Saif (then an LSE student) to negotiate a settlement.   

cap28:

i will tell you why, because the economic sanctions imposed on his nation were crippling them and in a bid to develop his nation and move it into the 21st century he decide to pay his way back into the international community,

I knew that, he made a song and dance about it because his pride was hurt.

cap28:

bro if you only know the half of who this international community is and what they are capable of you would pity gadaffi, im telling you. 

to the contrary, you are the one underestimating their capabilities, if not why suggest that africans start deveoping weapons? That would be the perfect excuse for the west to: “Prevent the proliferation of Arms in sub saharan africa” - shock and awe, here we go again, 130 missiles a day, carnage, chaos , 

cap28:

Okay so gadaffi, pays the £2.7billion, he is then welcomed back into the "international community" and alllowed to resume the sale of his light sweet crude, he now starts opening up the country to foreign investment, he lets the chinese and americans in , he lets the russians in, he lets the british, french and italians in to take on various crude oil and infrstructure projects - he then agrees to hand over his nuclear capabilities -  is that the behaviour of an unhinged deranged megalomaniac?

Yes, why did he not do it 12 years before? Remember these guys don't forget, he had to be made an example of to prevent him from doing it again.  All that was needed was enough intelligence and an excuse.  He gave them the first requirement – sacrificed his weapons program, the second one was an arab revolution and gbam! Checkmate.

cap28:

In my opinion - the biggest mistake he ever made was dismantling his nuclear capabilities, to be honest with you this man has been betrayed by the west , how is it that in a space of 3 months this man has gone from being business partner and friend to public enemy number one,

I have mentioned this above

cap28:

do you knw that this man's son donated millions of pounds to the london school of economics (an elite higher institution in london) and financed sarkozy's (french prime minister) election  campaign

No point in trying to kick a.sz then try to lick as.z, why not develop his own universities? He was inconsistent and paid the price. Thats how they operate so why get mad? One minute he sponsors and trains terrorists to KILL them next he sponsors their higher education with millions of dollars? Thats ridiculous!  They didnt need his money, LSE charges around £15,000 ($25,000) PER TERM and gives mostly, rich kids from around the world a first class EUROCENTRIC education – they charge £75 per application and only accept less than 10% of the applicants LOL! Its like a national lottery.

The saudis have more oil, they simply sell it to the oyinbos and develop their country as much as they can.  But more importantly they are better managed.  For example they buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of arms from BOTH the USA and the UK simultaneously - it creates thousands of JOBs in the west, the saudis also invest hundreds of billions in the USA and UK stock markets.  As a result the US turn a blind eye to what they do and both parties live in harmony.  If the saudis pull their investments out of the USA it would cause serious econiomic damage to the US - they have learnt the game. When Saudi citzens tried to copy other arab uprisings what did they do? They dished out BILLIONs to the people, whatb did Gaddaffi do with the $70 billion he had invested in the west and tonnes of GOLD? He shot them, LOL!     Where did all the 9/11 hijackers come from? Why did the US not harm the Bin laden family living in the USA when 9/11 occurred?  Money talks and monkeys walk – learn the game. 

Gaddaffi was marked for death back in the 80s, all they were waiting for was an excuse to take him out – did he not know that? If you don't know the rules then don't play!!!  The nigerian politicians understand the game too, they are not as dumb as you think.  They give the west all the oil they need to keep them honest, but if they make one false move e.g nationalization, demand for more multi-national accountability – oops! Shock and awe time!  Look at MKOs death, was it not a US doctor who said he died of natural causes? LOL!!!!

cap28:

okay dont look at GDP, look at these so called rebels, look at the smooth roads they drive back and forth on on therir way to wage war on gadaffi and his troops,  look at the faces of the libyan  people , are they filled with despair, hunger and misery?  I am sick to my stomach of the western media and their lies,

Why do you watch it? Do you know what the word media means? do some research.  But try to be a filter rather than a sponge when you watch WESTERN news coverage – they have to protect their interests and africans should learn to protect theirs CLEVERLY, not heir masters interests.

cap28:

the truth of the matter is that  this is a neo colonial war for the appropriation of libya's oil - end of story, its also a war for expansion and further geo political control over the middle east - lets stop pus.sy footing around this issue.

“You try kitty footing around with size 12 feet – it not fun you know” 

Right, lets call it a day on Mummar, You believe he is a good leader that is being treated unfairly by the West.  I believe he is a clever Local libyan Soldier who has mastered the art of Libyan leadership but has woeful global economic management skills and a reckless, inconsistent, naïve attitude towards the west.  END OF THE STORY, plaese lets leave it there.

cap28:

i agree, but as long as you have puppets like jonathan, obasanjo and other traitors at the helm of affairs we will continue to suffer, these people are neo colonial agents - in order to move forward we must remove them.

looks like your wish is coming true.

cap28:

Its not that simple, the western neo liberal economic model doesnt not tolerate deviation in any form, no matter how minute, read about how america destroyed all left leaning socialists regimes in nicaragua, ecuador, guatemala, grenada, the leaders of these countries wanted a ssytem which was more socialist and equitable and could provide a safety net for the poor but they were all subjected to coup detats or military interventions all orchestrated by the US/UK . 

The west are protecting their interests  - you cannot blame them for that.  They will continue to do so no matter how much you moan; its more productive to focus on ones strengths and develop them.  Dose the nigerian government or private sector of nigeria invest in education? Health? Culture? Technolgy? For example South Koreans invented flat screen technolgy, now its a $50 billion plus market, is it a coincidence that they have the highest mathematics literacy rate in the world? Are you telling me Africans cannot do the same?

cap28:

they wanted him to behave like the other OPEC nations and just take what he was given for his oil.

I do not think you have studied oil in depth, that is not true, in a nutshell you have to understand that most OPEC nations have invested their foreign reserves in the west.  If the price of oil goes up then this may have a detrimental effect on western economies growth which in turn will lead to a fall in the returns on their investment.  Furthermore, some countries have to import their own oil as fuel, hence its not ALWAYS in their best interest to preside over rising oil prices. 

Look cap – why is Africa depending on raw materials and ignoring its gretest assets HUMAN RESOURCES? What did they depend on before Europeans developed an addiction for their resources? All thats needed is a transparent, non-politicised sytem to manage African resources with qualified PROFESSIONALS at the helm; whilst the government focuses on promoting productivity.

cap28:


i regard the likes of Tinubu, Adenuga and Lawal as profitteers of a corrupt system,will their actions lead to job creation or allevation of poverty among the teeming masses of unemployed youths in nigeria,? No, these people will merely pocket their huge windfalls and continue to exploit the masses of poverty stricken nigerians, they are part of the problem.

What dose Bill gates do? What dose Larry Ellison do? What dose Donald trump do? What dose Phillip Green do? Has it stopped their respective countries from developing? The west is now encouraging entrepreneurs right left and center, due to the fact thet they believe this is the only way out of the current recession.  Entrepreneurs have the sole aim of maximizing their profits, its simple and plain.  The kind of policy your envision will increase poverty in Africa and drive all the talent elsewhere.

Do you know how many people these nigerian Billionares employ? Employment will generate tax revenue, which can then be utilized by the government for its fiscal policies. India, china and Russia produced hundreds of billionaires last year, we need more billionaires in africa who score high on ethics and are encouraged to share social responsibilities to make us develop – if you are looking for 'socialist saints', you are wasting your time.  Capitalism is the best economic system we have at present, the government should focus on creating an enabling environment and make sure citizens are cared for from "cradle to their grave".

cap28:

i dont think unlimited privatisation is the answer,

Neither do I, all economies are mixed anyway; there is no such thing as unlimited privatisation due to the existence of public goods.

cdoffx:

@2muchlogic
i'm very optimistic that technology will go a long way in solving Africa's problem.

Thats great.

cdoffx:

1. Militarily if our technology is well advanced we won't be looking up to developed nations for armaments and because they are very expensive we can't arm our armed forces up to standard(international)

A strong army cannot be built without world class education and communication; African centered scientific education will give one the means to produce weps that have not even been invented yet and communication amongst africa's numerous ethnic groups will lead to UNITY.

cdoffx:

2. Economically Africa is like a dumping ground for the advanced nation,since we can't produce most of our needs ourselves we import almost everything and from our basic economics we know when import outweight export development can't be meaningful. We've most of the raw materials the world need yet we export raw material and import finished produce,what an economic waste.

Unbelievably SAD!

cdoffx:


If we start to increase our technology our dependence will start decreasing hence development will set in. For example our oil is explored by African oil company and then sold to whoever wants it outside Africa rather than our oil being explored by foreign companies then sold back to us same for other resources in Africa.
We produce our motors,planes,weapons e.t.c. Our problem will start reducing.

spot on, not only that it will create mass employment and Africa will start to use its own resources. The implication will be an increase in the price of Africas raw materials – its a win win solution.

cdoffx:

not publicising AU. AU is supposed to represent the interest Africa and her people internationally through the leaders of each member state,but i think AU as fall short of this duty since most African leaders are actually pursueing their own interests.

tell me about it!

cdoffx:

I'm proposing an autonomous organisation that is a congress of African people themselves and not some selfish leaders that stands for the interest and growth of Africa and her people, fight against neo-colonialism,black discrimination and exploitation of Africa and her resources cos no doubt Africa is one of the most blessed continent in the world.

ride on my brother!

cdoffx:

VISION
1.A continent that generations to come can be proud of.
2. A continent that is politically and economically stable.
3. A continent that will put to use her natural resources for herself,by herself and then the world.
3. A continent that has at least one of the world super powers(political,economical and militarily)
MISSION
1. Sensitizing the people to see the redundant power of Africa.
2. To build a continent that stands tall among other continents
3. To fight for the total liberation of Africa from neo-colonialism,exploitation and black discrimination.

Now that is one HUGE vision but one that I agree with, people will say its impossible until it happens.

cdoffx:

LONG TERM OBJECTIVES
1. Building a continent that generation coming can be proud of
2. Building a continent that can influence world economy.
3. Building a continent that is totally free from neo-colonialism,economic and political retardation
SHORT TERM OBJECTIVES
1. Massive awareness on the need for Africa to stand up and take her rightful position.
2. Massive constructive criticism against detrimental policies and systems to growth Africa both within and without.
This are just a few of what i intend for the proposed congress.

I think that your short-term objectives need to be refined; this will come from research and focusing on smaller goals.

For example “massive awareness” is not only ambiguous, in reality it is very difficult to do in the short run.  Focus on small manageable aims such as a practical project, this will enable you to build a team of “DOERS”, otherwise you will run the risk of turning into a “keyboard agent of change dealing with keyboard warriors”.

I also think you need to move away from being focused on building an organisation that serves as another boring news agency – we need action in Africa not talking.  Remember progress and achievements will generate publicity, there is no need to toot the horn.  I personally think that we need an organisation that is SKILLED and creates jobs, promotes education and bridge building amongst Africa's numerous ethinic groups … okay maybe that's my personal vision creeping in.  At this early stage, I will volunteer to be an advisor for now.

cdoffx:

@2muchlogic. Really glad this makes sense to you. Now lets assume we've on CNN or BBC or al jazeera this "the African people's congress a mouthpiece of the African continent working hand in hand with AU has called out against the massacre of blacks in ,  And as also said that all African countries will boycott trade with every country in the,  Unless concrete action is taken to forestall justice, " if possible a section could be created on NL that'll serve as a kind of office from here we make points,quote them on other political sites and as time goes on there is publicity then send correspondence to AU on our stand on prevailing issues and many other thing that others suggest and gradually we get there.

1. Are you suggesting that one should set up an organisation to assist the AU to increase awareness about there policies and stance on certain political issues? If so that effectively means we are offering our services to the FUNDED AU for free.  Whilst all the fat AU members debate and posse in their Armani suits we'll be plugging away, morning day and night for free?

a. Do you think that AU's 53 members cannot create a department to do this?
b. Who will fund such an organisation?
c. Do you think the AUs policies are worth publicising?
d. More importantly would the AU allow it?

2. Do you think that BBC, CNN and aljazeera have the best intentions for Africa? If so please enlighten me.

Anyway your aims are ambiguos at present so I will help you so we can all be clear on your aims:


cdoffx Vision

[ share your dreams here ]


cdoffx's  Mission

[  your short-term then long-term objectives ]
1.
2.
3.
…

I have seen so many enthusiastic, internet initiatives like this over the years which fizzle away but I admire your enthusiasm. Would you care to give us details of how this congress will (a.) be created and (b.) function?

how are ya cap? 

cap28:

How about the great man made river that he built which supplies pipeborne water to the whole of libya, he built this without borrowing a penny from the West, this river is also used to irrigate the land in order to enable libyans grow their own food instead of relying on foreign imports,  the nigerian govt cant even provided constant electricity supply despite the billions it makes from oil revenues,

most people seem to forget that libya is just recovering from 12 years of economic sanctions from the west, however as soon as the sanctions were lifted gadaffi started major infrastructure projects in the country, thats why you had so many migrant workers in libya workign on constructions sites, many of them from sub saharan countries including nigeria.

These are good points the water project and constant electricity without borrowing heavily, I am not trying to knock Gadaffi as a person; to be honest I am more concerned about sub saharan Africa and the effects Libya might have on them. 

cap28:

most people seem to forget that libya is just recovering from 12 years of economic sanctions from the west, however as soon as the sanctions were lifted gadaffi started major infrastructure projects in the country, thats why you had so many migrant workers in libya workign on constructions sites, many of them from sub saharan countries including nigeria.

Can you imagine how developed libya would be if Gadaffi harnessed ALL Libyan Human resources and did not subject his country to 12 years of economic sanctions? That is bad management.  Oil to the west is like crack to a drug addict, why? because their whole infrastructure is built on oil.  The USA did have some of the largest deposits of oil before they industrialized but they have developed so much that they have exhausted those supplies, while Africa was NOT developing.  A good manager will say "they need the oil, lets sell it to them at the highest price and use the proceeds to develop" - SIMPLE!!!!!  For crying out loud, after 12 years of economic sanctions and having to pay around $7 billion dollars compensation for sponsoring terrorism had Gadaffi not learnt his lessons?

cap28:

Also the average libyan has a home and a car and isnt starving, libyans had no need to leave their country to work in europe or america because they were provided for in their own country, the true indicator of how well a country is doing is by looking at the condition of its citizens, nigria is an oil rich nation but its citizens live in grim poverty the rest flee the country for a better life.  If libya was such an undeveloped place you would have had mass emigration of its people just like nigeria.

I am not too sure about this, information was tightly controlled in Libya as we can see and GDP per capita is such an inaccurate measure of wealth invented by Oyinbos as far as I am concerned.  Thats why I want us Africans to come up with our own system that will benefit us Africans but fit in with the west.   For example Bill gates is worth something like $56 billion, but the GDP per capita of the USA is $47, 152, that means Bill Gates accounts for the productivity of 21 million Americans? 

More importantly, its obvious that africans are more spiritual than their western counterparts, how do we measure that? What impact dose spirituality have on the quality of life? Economics eliminates all these  variables and tries to simplify things inorder to promote globalization in favour of the west.  How many economic concepts have africans come up with?  This is why its pertinent to have a cultural revoultion because every action will be designed to maximize the life of ones people.  In Africa they try to practice European culture, thats why they are suffering.

cap28:

Yes but thats because when the US cant get you militarily they punish you economically, North Korea has nukes therefore the US have isolated and punished them.

Exactly, so that shows you that Africans developing Weapons are not enough!  As the Yoruba will say: “ogbon ju agbara lo” that means the intellect is more powerful than physical power (e.g nukes).

cap28:

nigeria is rich but the wealth is only enjoyed by less than 1% of its people, of what use is the wealth of a nation if the vast majority of its population are forced to live in poverty or leave the country?  in addition the nigerian govt do not even have any real say in the running of their own economy , they are forced by the UK/US to implement economic policies which benefit and enrich multinationals, foreign banks and a few nigerian elites whilst leaving the rest of the population to suffer, why cant nigeria adopt a more socialist or mixed economic policy which provides a safety net for the poor as is the case in the western nations?  The reason is because it is tied into the neo liberal economic model laid down for it by britain and america, this policy ensures that nigeria will remain a supplier of raw materials with no industrial capability, thereby condemning it to the status of a third world nation for life.

We are on the EXACT same wavelengh on this one – great response.

cap28:

Gadaffi on the other hand was not willing to allow the west to dictate to him , in 2009 he was talking about nationalising the entire libyan oil industy thereby cutting out the western oil corporations who had a 49% stake in it  in order to have more control over oil prices in order to get a better deal for his people,

I see what you mean but this is where the management needs to come into it, if he used his brain he would say:

1. if I sell the oil to the west I will get $N Billion per year
2. If I nationalize the oil industry I will get $N Billion x 4 per year
- BUT the ECONOMIC sanctions will cost $N Billion per year
- The attacks on my country will cause $N Billion of damage per year
- The REBUILDING will cost $N Billion per year
- The Phycological damage will cost $N Billion per year
-  The decrease in INVESTOR CONFIDENCE will cost $N Billion per year
3. Conclusion option 1 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

cap28:

Do you think any nigerian leader would have had the guts to demand a better deal from western oil companies operating in nigeria?

Yes! Instead of being confrontational and nationalizing the oil industry they have been using their BRAINS (which is not very often) by encouraging the private sector to buy out foreign oil companies to increase indigenous ownership and production.  Have you not heard of wale Tinubu? Have you heard of Kasse Lawal? Adenuga just bought an oil block from shell two days ago for $1.3 billion.  Harsh conditions have forced shell to embark on a divestment plan, and as long as Nigeria keeps selling to the USA at reasonable market prices there will be no problem.

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/adenuga-wins-shell-s-most-prolific-onshore-oil-block/88992/

But is shell exiting completely? No, but lets see how this one develops.

cap28:

the nigerian govt are all cowards and they are running scared - they do as they are told and are merely happy to let the west do what they like in our country as long as they are able to keep skimming off the profits.

I would be scared too if there was a prospect of 120 missiles a day being dropped on my country.

In all seriousness, I do not know whether to laugh or cry when it come to nigerian politics – its a mess! I agree that as long as they can profit thats it – they don't care about the environment, the people, the image of africa, NOTHING! But themselves.  Can you imagine that oil spill off the gulf of mexico occuring in Nigeria? I have read that most of the spills in Nigeria are worse and have been taking place since the 50s and what happens?  A crooked politician will take a bribe of a few million whilst the land is left damaged for generations.

But on an encouraging note, as I mentioned earlier, the divestment of shell and participation of some wealthy nigerians in the oil industry is a welcome development – time will tell if this is the way forward.

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cap28:

lumumba was betrayed by his own people and assassinated by the CIA, Nkrumah was toppled by the CIA, we are not a united people that is why its so easy for the whites to infiltrate, divide and conquer us, there are so many among us who will sell their own mothers for a few pieces of silver.

Thats right, they were both betrayed.

cap28:

good management will not stop the west from dropping 120 tomahawk missiles on your country if you fail to allow them in to pillage and plunder your natural resources. gadaffi modernised his nation and uplifted his people, he increased their standard of living and to date libyan people enjoy the highest standard of living in africa and yet  look at what the west is doing to the country.

With all due respect i think you mistook my generic answer the wrong way, management encompasses many different disciplines finance, technology, economics, warfare etc and africans have failed to manage their county's properly! 
Gadaffi did not modernize Libya - give me a break!!!! And his GDP per capita was high due to his small population of around 5 million people around 50% of the population of Lagos state and yet his country has a land mass nearly double the size of Nigeria.  Why would he have $70 billion plus, invested in the west? after 42 years ruling a country with a single language and all of those resources he has seriously under performed.  Surely, you will admit that a nation with africa's largest oil deposits coupled with one of Africa's smallest populations has been seriously mismanaged.  However it dose not give the west the right to bomb. 

cap28:

the only way to repel such an attack is to have a well developed military with nuclear weapons.

War is more than bombs, it encompasses economics, technology, information, culture, education and the simplest component weapons. Look at North Korea they have developed Nuclear weapons so why are they still suffering? The west have decided to launch an economic and information war on them instead.

cap28:

no it wont, britain and america are bankrupt - they need your oil and mineral resources to prevent their economies from going under, they will bomb you into submission if you refuse to allow them in to ra.pe and plunder you.
the only way out is military might -  if you cant defend yourself from military attack you are toast.

They are not my resources  again i will re-iterate my response above: Look at North Korea they have developed Nuclear weapons so why are they still suffering? The west have decided to launch an economic and information war on them instead. Furthermore has Pakistan not developed Nukes? Yet the USA still treat them like you know what.  Nigeria dose not have Nukes and yet its richer than Pakistan and North Korea; you see the USA spend hundreds of billions on weapons every year can these 'developing countries' match that expenditure?  If you think on another axis rather than just being reactive to all the oyinbo moves you will see the real potential of Africa.

cap28:

the idea is to bring the ivoriens in to line, they are unable to defend themselve and that is why they have been invaded and bombed into submission by the UN/France.

my version is that Quattara is backed and armed by the west to replace Gbagbo

cap28:

ECOMOG is a army of african pawns used by european nations to fight wars that the europeans do not want to fight, the europeans have figured out that africans and their  leaders are so st.upid that they think its okay for their troops to go and die in order to ensure that the europeans continue to be allowed to plunder africa's natural resources.

the worst part of this set up is that the europeans dont even want to use their own troops to do this dirty work , after all africans lives are worth less and therefore can be used by them to acheive their objectives.

they have been using africans like this  for almost 4 centuries and it appears many of us are yet to wake up.

true, the west fight, with computers and dropping bombs from 10,000+ miles in the sky; the answer is simple guerilla warfare - tell me the last time any western power won a guerilla war? They always loose when it comes to real war, then a new president will say the last was wrong and pull the troops out.    Its like a destructive merry go round.

The real waking up needs to be in terms of how we think and culture - we need a cultural revolution.