jayriginal:


This is disingenuous.

The argument wouldn't be if trees or rocks exist. They can be empirically be proven to exist.

The argument would be if they are God(s).

KingEbukasBlog:

God promised the Israelites Canaan - it was their possession and their motive was divine

sonOfLucifer:

So, if a neighbor's servant moves into your house claiming his God had given ownership of the place, you'd just move out?

There were people in Canaan. Why didn't your God provide a place for them?

As usual, having a conversation with you is like trying to clean a spot on my cheek by rubbing my image in a mirror.

KingEbukasBlog:


I dont like discussing the bible with atheists . Its a complete waste of time . Can we just stick to the God-exists-God-does-not-exist arguments

KingEbukasBlog:


You are missing the point I was trying to make . I'll let you figure it out

ogechieku:
If you choose to make it bad then it becomes bad.

KingEbukasBlog:


. Stop telling lies to please void . Hitler was a confirmed atheist who attempted obliterating Christianity in Germany . He committed atrocities just like his brother in the void and strong atheist President Kim of North Korea . Hitler was only a catholic during his youth days . Who argues against facts . Atheists are ashamed that Hitler shared the same world views as them . Deal with it stop telling blatant lies - ignorance makes you argue against facts

JackBizzle:

KingEbukasBlog:
Trying to dodge the reality that Hitler was a christian.....

JackBizzle:



https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler#Mein_Kampf_.281925-1926.29


Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord. (p. 65)

Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties. (p. 116)

This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief. (p. 152)

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. A fight for freedom had begun mightier than the earth had ever seen; for once Destiny had begun its course, the conviction dawned on even the broad masses that this time not the fate of Serbia or Austria was involved, but whether the German nation was to be or not to be. (p. 161)
And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. (p. 174)

jayriginal:


I didn't. Rather you misstated the problem.

The argument would be if they are God(s).

KingEbukasBlog:


1. Atheism believes that there is no god - no proof for any god's existence . The fact that trees and rocks are worshiped as gods refutes that .

2. If you are trying to make an argument to disprove my first statement with this:



Then it simply implies that an eternal conscious entity surely does exist but its not God .

With this understanding we Christians have to prove that the eternal conscious being/entity that exists is our God . Right ?

jayriginal:


1) Atheism is the non belief in a God, not the belief that there is no God. A practice based on a mistaken belief doesn't validate that belief. One might as well say Zeus, Poseidon and the host of Greek Gods exist because we have the Olympics.

2) What I said was the argument isn't whether trees and rocks exist. They do. The argument is if the trees and rocks are the Gods they are claimed to be. I'm speaking literally not metaphorically.

KingEbukasBlog:


These are quotes of him when he was a christian . stop the disingenuousness , you certainly know what I'm talking about

JackBizzle:


Do you know when he wrote mein kampf?

He was around 36 years old (1889-1926) when he made those christian quotes

KingEbukasBlog:


The emboldened text is not lucid enough . So you are saying that indeed there is a God - an eternal conscious creator - but you atheists dont believe in Him ?




No you are the one making the argument - if the trees and rocks are the gods they are purported to be .

The point I was trying to make is that since he is an atheist - assumes there is no God or no god exists - then trees and rocks worshiped as gods dont exist . Which obviously does not make any sense . So with this understanding , we can conclude that an eternal conscious entity does exist but the atheist chose not to see him as a God .

I mean the tree or rocks can be empirically proven to exist . Macro-evolution which no one has observed can be putatively proven through certain "scientific" methods . So this eternal conscious entity does exist and His existence can be proven though certain ways . Right ?

jayriginal:


I'm not sure how anyone can interpret a non belief in a thing as saying that the thing exists but one does not believe in it. Please tell me you're trolling.

Secondly your trees and rock example is ridiculous. Following that to its logical conclusion it means if I revere a tree as a whargarble it means whargarbles exist?

Eric Clapton is a Rock God. That means God exists?

jayriginal:


1) Atheism is the non belief in a God, not the belief that there is no God

KingEbukasBlog:

Seriously ?

KingEbukasBlog:




I deduced from the above post that God indeed exists but you dont believe in Him . How am I wrong ?

KingEbukasBlog:


... then he became an atheist later and committed heinous acts against humanity . End of story

The same way you are now an atheist after departing from your religious faith

jayriginal:


This is incredible!

Are you seriously having difficulty with this?

How can someone say X is Y (statement of fact) but I don't believe X is Y.

How does a statement of I don't believe in a god translate to a god exists but I don't believe in it?

1) Atheism is the non belief in a God, not the belief that there is no God.

KingEbukasBlog:


You seem to be the one trolling here . Here is your statement :





We all know atheism as the belief there is no God . Meaning they dont exist . Then you are now saying no , Atheism is the non belief in a God . This simply means that there is indeed an eternal conscious entity but you dont see him as a God . Same way trees and rocks exist but you do not have the belief that they are gods

cc : winner01 , Joshthefirst , UyiIredia . Please oo am I misunderstanding this

Abeg just stick to your we-believe-there-is-no-God-He-does-not-exist stance and stop obfuscating issues

KingEbukasBlog:


You seem to be the one trolling here . Here is your statement :





We all know atheism as the belief there is no God . Meaning they dont exist . Then you are now saying no , Atheism is the non belief in a God . This simply means that there is indeed an eternal conscious entity but you dont see him as a God . Same way trees and rocks exist but you do not have the belief that they are gods

cc : winner01 , Joshthefirst , UyiIredia . Please oo am I misunderstanding this

Abeg just stick to your we-believe-there-is-no-God-He-does-not-exist stance and stop obfuscating issues

jayriginal:



I will state it again. An atheist doesn't believe in god/gods. Atheism is not the belief that there is no god.

UyiIredia:


Interesting. So what is atheism ? The belief that there is God abi. You are being foolish. One can have no belief in God and as well believe there is no God.

KingEbukasBlog:


You seem to be the one trolling here . Here is your statement :





We all know atheism as the belief there is no God . Meaning they dont exist . Then you are now saying no , Atheism is the non belief in a God . This simply means that there is indeed an eternal conscious entity but you dont see him as a God . Same way trees and rocks exist but you do not have the belief that they are gods

cc : winner01 , Joshthefirst , UyiIredia . Please oo am I misunderstanding this

Abeg just stick to your we-believe-there-is-no-God-He-does-not-exist stance and stop obfuscating issues

winner01:
lol. confusion. A trademark of the devils dealings.

KingEbukasBlog:


I tire oo

KingEbukasBlog:


These are quotes of him when he was a christian . stop the disingenuousness , you certainly know what I'm talking about

winner01:
Lol...How have you been bro?