@Team Leftwingers

There is no confusion anywhere.

The 28/56 days policy had been on for God knows when.

I was a product of Appeal(Long before OBJ came to power) and i know how all these things work.

@Ty4real

You have not send me a simgle mail.

For clarity purpose, my email address is [size=14pt]k o l a.i b a d a n @gmail.com [/size] { For God sake, this is simple to know).

## Most settlement visas applicants do go for interview. If they were refused there(AT THE EMBASSY) and handed the refusal notice, they have 28 days but if the refusal notice was sent to them they are entitled to 56 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF DECISION.

Until recently, there is nothing called VAC.

big_bumper:

1) Akolawole thinks 28 days is for decison refused by hand, whilst it is 56 days for those received by post a.k.a VAC courier.

2) Sorry my dear you are still wrong. It's whether you get the decision in the UK or outside the UK that matters.

3) Check VOR's bookish post, it's 56 days from date of ECO's decision, not from date you pick up from the courier.

1) It is not an opinion, it is a FACT.

2) Tell me where do visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

3) Go and read all my post well well.

Akolawole:

@Team Leftwingers

. . .Until recently, there is nothing called VAC.

but the law that bookish VOR quoted had always been there, which states that if in UK 28 days, if not i.e IN ALL OTHER CASES, you have 56 days. And like you always say

Akolawole:

@Team Leftwingers

There is no confusion anywhere.

The 28/56 days policy had been on for God knows when.

Akolawole:

@Team Leftwingers


2) Tell me where do Visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

Visa applicants and their sponsors each get a copy of the decision in their respective country of residence. It is a well known fact that some visa applicants have sponsors based in the UK, hence any appeal from such UK based sponsor (in-country application), on behalf of the applicant, has to be in by the 28 days deadline.

@Pataki's BB

Must you go to sokoto before you get to Abuja?

Must you?

Our main discussion is on Naija Visa applicants.

If you are bringing UK based/Sponsors etc, well bring it on.

I am sure pataki will extend his holiday

Akolawole:

@Pataki's BB

Must you go to sokoto before you get to Abuja?

Must you?

Our main discussion is on Naija Visa applicants.

If you are bringing UK based/Sponsors etc, well bring it on.

I am sure pataki will extend his holiday

I ain't no immigration legal eagle (just a burnt out criminology and benefits attorney), so as a sponsor of plenty, trying to help naija visa applicants, that's where I come in. Sponsors only get 28 days to respond. In fact, I have a hearing coming up on the 1st of next month, which I know is already in the bag , due to the ECO not responding since the appeal was lodged, to date.

big_bumper:

. . .   Check VOR's bookish post, it's 56 days from date of ECO's decision, not from date you pick up from the courier.

Vor's input regarding "The Asylum and Immigration Tribunal (Procedure) Rules 2005" states 28 days after service of notice, there is no mention of "56 days" in this legislation at all.  Oh God, I don dey kolo o 

Here comes AIT's response:

"AIT, Customer Service" to me
show details 16:02 (7 minutes ago)

Our Ref: ZC AIT Appeal Number: N/A



Dear Sir/Madam,



Thank you for your email, can you give your appeal details for an accurate response to your query.



Regards

Email Correspondence Section



Please quote your appeal number, name and date of birth on all correspondence to us."



This is a general question, why do i need to quote appeal Number for God sake.

@Lady Bumper

Are we dealing with UK sponsors now?

In UK law, there is always a degree of "Reasonableness"

I dont know how this argument link to the previous one.

Please clarify

@ALL

I am not at home now, Can somebody upload the papers that accompany the determination please

Akolawole:

@Team Leftwingers

There is no confusion anywhere.

The 28/56 days policy had been on for God knows when.

I was a product of Appeal(Long before OBJ came to power) and i know how all these things work.

@Ty4real

You have not send me a simgle mail.

For clarity purpose, my email address is [size=14pt]k o l a.i b a d a n @gmail.com [/size] { For God sake, this is simple to know).

## Most settlement visas applicants do go for interview. If they were refused there(AT THE EMBASSY) and handed the refusal notice, they have 28 days but if the refusal notice was sent to them they are entitled to 56 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF DECISION.

Until recently, there is nothing called VAC.

1) It is not an opinion, it is a FACT.

2) Tell me where do visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

3) Go and read all my post well well.

I have sent it to the same email addy oo, I just no see anything ni se!Okay send it to my own email:realjoy96@yahoo.co.uk.

Akolawole:

@Lady Bumper

In UK law, there is always a degree of "Reasonableness"

I don't know how this argument link to the previous one.

Please clarify

Application for entry clearance to UK from anywhere in the world is surely    based on UK laws.

Akolawole:

@Lady Bumper

Are we dealing with UK sponsors now?

I don't know how this argument link to the previous one.

Please clarify

see your quote below for clarification

Akolawole:


2) Tell me where do visa applicants get their decision? UK or in Nigeria. Keep on missing in-country application sent to croydon to visa applications sent to Eleke crescent. You are on your own.

Visa applicants with UK sponsor (representative) get a decision sent to their country of residence e.g India, Nigeria, Tunisia, etc, as well as to the country of the sponsor (in this case UK)

@big_bumper

you are mixing things up. Akolawole was in that statement refering to appeal determinations after the judge has delivered judgement on the case. A copy is sent to the sponsor wherever he is located and another copy to the applicant.

@big bumper

sorry,i meant refusal notice but you are refering to appeal determinations.

big_bumper:

Visa applicants and their sponsors each get a copy of the decision in their respective country of residence. It is a well known fact that some visa applicants have sponsors based in the UK, hence any appeal from such UK based sponsor (in-country application), on behalf of the applicant, has to be in by the 28 days deadline.   

funkybaby:

@big_bumper

you are mixing things up. Akolawole was in that statement refering to appeal determinations after the judge has delivered judgement on the case. A copy is sent to the sponsor wherever he is located and another copy to the applicant.

@Funky

dont let her confuse you jare.

We both mean appeal determination.

[/quote][quote author=Akolawole link=topic=30156.msg2021818#msg2021818 date=1204647390]
In UK law, there is always a degree of "Reasonableness"

I did not finish this statement for some reason(s)


@Funky

You should know why Lady Bumper is sheilding their defeat to concentrate on this new one.

I am being "camped" by one of those Left wingers now, i could have uploaded one document.

@ Akolawole,

Egbon, no be yah fault oh. Na the useless hotel wey I dey here, na hin cause the no internet access. Imagine telling me to pay 5pounds for just 24hours internet connection. Everyday!

Because the cat is not at home, the house has turned to a playing ground for the rats. You are now stating I should extend my holiday.

Back to your propostion, you are still wrong. I cannot answer you now, Arsenal get match now, will be right back to diagnose the mail BDHC sent to you.

@ big_bumper.
I dey with you on this one. Nothing do us jare. Trust me walahi.

Hi everybody,
pls i need your advice on my situation, i appealed against my refusal in sept, 2007 and i got the decision of my appeal today. I submitted the appeal in British High Commision in Abuja. my appeal was refused and it was due to the fact that the supporting documents i submitted with my appeal was not included when it was sent to AIT. According to the reasons for refusal, i quote "12. the documents i have consist of the notice of appeal and grounds of appeal(the latter being extensive). the grounds of appeal and section 8 refers to a large number of documents being forwarded with the appeal including bank statements and evidence of the appealants financial circumstances in Nigeria. However what i found is a copy of an application form dated 31 July, 2007, the reason and notice for refusal but not the documents referred to in the notice of appeal.
13. On that basis therefore it seems that the appealant failed to include all the documents referred to in the ground of appeal whicch, at face value, are persuasive.
14. i do not rule out the possibility that the appeal was lodged with the respondent because the tribunal had referred to the appeal filed on 30th of August, 2007 and may therefore have been forwarded by the respondent without the accompanying documents. (which is what happened!!!!)
25. taken at its face value, the grounds of appeal are very persuasive and refer to extensive documentation. However the difficulty is that the respondent's refusal has challenged the appealant to provide evidence of her financial circumstances in Nigeria and those of her sponsor. Regrettably for unexplained reasons all the documentation except the application form has not been copied with the appeal papers and therefore i do not have the advantahe of those documents in support of the appealants assertion.
26.The burden of proof remains on the appealant. At face value i can only therefore regard the appealant as having failed to forward documents with the notice f appeal and therefore establish the grounds of appeal claimed. Clearly it is most unsatisfactory since, on the face of ot, had those documents been included and copied to the respondent, the appealants explanation might have persuaded the respondent to favourably review the application. As it is i have to refuse the appeal. "

Those documents claimed that i did not submit, were submitted with the appeal. as a matter of fact i submitted the original of all of the documents and photocopies as well,

My question is this, am i supposed to apply for reconsideration i.e to AIT iir write a letter to BHC, Abuja.
Meanwhile, the form for reconnsideration says that the grounds to contend has to be an error of law. I showed this to a lawyer tiday who said its not an error of law,

pls kindlyyy advice on what to do, thanks. God bless.

ty28:

Hi everybody,
please i need your advice on my situation, i appealed against my refusal in sept, 2007 and i got the decision of my appeal today. I submitted the appeal in British High Commision in Abuja. my appeal was refused and it was due to the fact that the supporting documents i submitted with my appeal was not included when it was sent to AIT. According to the reasons for refusal, i quote "12. the documents i have consist of the notice of appeal and grounds of appeal(the latter being extensive). the grounds of appeal and section 8 refers to a large number of documents being forwarded with the appeal including bank statements and evidence of the appealants financial circumstances in Nigeria. However what i found is a copy of an application form dated 31 July, 2007, the reason and notice for refusal but not the documents referred to in the notice of appeal.
13. On that basis therefore it seems that the appealant failed to include all the documents referred to in the ground of appeal whicch, at face value, are persuasive.
14. i do not rule out the possibility that the appeal was lodged with the respondent because the tribunal had referred to the appeal filed on 30th of August, 2007 and may therefore have been forwarded by the respondent without the accompanying documents. (which is what happened!!!!)
25. taken at its face value, the grounds of appeal are very persuasive and refer to extensive documentation. However the difficulty is that the respondent's refusal has challenged the appealant to provide evidence of her financial circumstances in Nigeria and those of her sponsor. Regrettably for unexplained reasons all the documentation except the application form has not been copied with the appeal papers and therefore i do not have the advantahe of those documents in support of the appealants assertion.
26.The burden of proof remains on the appealant. At face value i can only therefore regard the appealant as having failed to forward documents with the notice f appeal and therefore establish the grounds of appeal claimed. Clearly it is most unsatisfactory since, on the face of ot, had those documents been included and copied to the respondent, the appealants explanation might have persuaded the respondent to favourably review the application. As it is i have to refuse the appeal. "

Those documents claimed that i did not submit, were submitted with the appeal. as a matter of fact i submitted the original of all of the documents and photocopies as well,

My question is this, am i supposed to apply for reconsideration i.e to AIT iir write a letter to BHC, Abuja.
Meanwhile, the form for reconnsideration says that the grounds to contend has to be an error of law. I showed this to a lawyer tiday who said its not an error of law,

please kindlyyy advice on what to do, thanks. God bless.

Oh Lawd British High Commission again o!

@ty28

Where did you submit your appeal documents to? AIT at london or BHC in abuja?

Although, from your post, i can guess it was to BHC.

You said you submitted both ORIGINALS and PHOTOCOPIES of all your documents including bank statements? Well, it most likely the security staff at BHC or any of their greedy staff removed your documents and has probably sold them to someone else cos i want to assume that if it really got to the RIGHT hands at BHC, they wont be that STUPID to leave out all your documents.

Anyway,before i can say my own advice on this issue, kindly state here if your appeal was oral or written. If it was oral, who represented you at the tribunal?

Akolawole:


@Funky

don't let her confuse you jare.

We both mean appeal determination.

Aitete mu ole . . . Ty, Pataki, Vor, get ready to roll out the victory banner.

@funkybaby

funkybaby:

@big_bumper

you are mixing things up. Akolawole was in that statement refering to appeal determinations after the judge has delivered judgement on the case. A copy is sent to the sponsor wherever he is located and another copy to the applicant.

funkybaby:

@big bumper

sorry,i meant refusal notice but you are refering to appeal determinations.

Which one you dey? Which team you dey support now? Whaddaya mean by refusal notice after the judge has delivered judgement? 

By the way, sponsors (representative) receive information from the tribunal before and after judgement.

@ wolf

Congratulations once more. Who told you about the "5 days" you mentioned in your post?

@ all

EUREKA ! EUREKA ! EUREKA !  

Re: 28/56 days issue

28 days deadline is applicable after an ECO refuses to grant a visa and this date starts from the day of the decision if the applicant is in the UK (not served by hand o ) or the day the commercial partner (e.g VSF, DHL) hands it over to the applicant.

56 days rule applies only to visa applicants who have had their appeal determined by the tribunal and were given adverse decision  and wish to challenge this i.e visa applicants who lose their appeal at the immigration tribunal have 56 days to seek permission to appeal.

BINGO

Henceforth the winning crown goes to Team TY+VOR+PATAKI+BIG_BUMPER+ARISTON.

Phew, bring on the next connundrum.

@big_Bumper!

big_bumper:

@ all

EUREKA ! EUREKA ! EUREKA !

Re: 28/56 days issue

28 days deadline is applicable after an ECO refuses to grant a visa and this date starts from the day of the decision if the applicant is in the UK (not served by hand o ) or the day the commercial partner (e.g VSF, DHL) hands it over to the applicant.

56 days rule applies only to visa applicants who have had their appeal determined by the tribunal and were given adverse decision and wish to challenge this i.e visa applicants who lose their appeal at the immigration tribunal have 56 days to seek permission to appeal.

BINGO

Henceforth the winning crown goes to Team TY+VOR+PATAKI+BIG_BUMPER+ARISTON.

Phew, bring on the next connundrum.

You can observe that I have sincerely kept mute over the whole issue cause even at the above,they will still not agree and come up with another reason!As far am concerned the 28days start counting from the day you collect your package from the VFS live(Hannnn and den wan turn person to Liar,thank u o jare Big-Bumper!End of story!Its VICTORY AT LAST!

@Akolawole!
I am stilll awaiting your email ooo,despite the fact sayi don put my email ,I never see any one from you ooo, abi I should take your silence as accepting the fact that Pataki,Vor,big_Bumper are right?

@Ty4real

I just hope no be your girlfriend email addy u dey use?

I have sent the mail to you but you can ask Pataki or Funky to forward it to you.

@Leftwingers

What is our bone of contention in the first instance?

If i am not wrong, we were arguing on the appeal dates, that is when is the appeal date start counting. Was it refusal date or the date ao collection from VAC. Secondly, the 28/56 days policy.

I just don't understand why or how bumper took this to UK determinations. I just don't know.

if i am not wrong, this thread was lunched by iron lady to help visa applicants with their appeal process.



Que

Do you agree with BHC's email or not?


Game on

@Pataki/VOR/Funky/Bumper

Dont you think most of the refusals we deal with look similar?

Cant you guys offer pre-Visa application consultation and charge little amount? ( please count me out, definitely NOT with Nairalanders AGAIN!)

I am tired of sponsor's account stand in isolation. BHC and their British council guideline of £8k.

@ Akolawole,

3 March 2008

Dear Sir,

Thank you for you email.

Please note that the completed appeal form should not arrive later than 56 days after the date of the entry clearance refusal if you had received it by courier services.

Yours faithfully

Correspondence Unit
Visa Section

Na wa for you oh.

You did not even bother to fully diagnose and breakdown the mail for yourself before posting celebrations on the forum.

My question to you is: What is a courier service? Is the VAC or VFS a courier service? The letter stated a conditional statement with it, meaning if you receive it by courier service, you are entitled to a 56 day policy for appeal. But BHC Nigeria is not operating by courier. Abeg!

@funky,
yes it was lodged @the BHC, Abuja and it was written not oral, thanks

Akolawole:

@Pataki/VOR/Funky/Bumper

Dont you think most of the refusals we deal with look similar?

Cant you guys offer pre-Visa application consultation and charge little amount? ( please count me out, definitely NOT with Nairalanders AGAIN!)

I am tired of sponsor's account stand in isolation. BHC and their British council guideline of £8k.

I am even tired of the monotonous writings of the BHC. It is no longer challenging and brain tasking for me. As for pre-Visa consultation and charge little amount, well I am thinking of doing it. I used the forum as my sounding board. Looking into it though, but not nairaland members in any way.

I have learnt my lesson from them. I would like to know the opinion of the rest though.

ty28:

Hi everybody,
please i need your advice on my situation, i appealed against my refusal in sept, 2007 and i got the decision of my appeal today. I submitted the appeal in British High Commision in Abuja. my appeal was refused and it was due to the fact that the supporting documents i submitted with my appeal was not included when it was sent to AIT. According to the reasons for refusal, i quote "12. the documents i have consist of the notice of appeal and grounds of appeal(the latter being extensive). the grounds of appeal and section 8 refers to a large number of documents being forwarded with the appeal including bank statements and evidence of the appealants financial circumstances in Nigeria. However what i found is a copy of an application form dated 31 July, 2007, the reason and notice for refusal but not the documents referred to in the notice of appeal.
13. On that basis therefore it seems that the appealant failed to include all the documents referred to in the ground of appeal whicch, at face value, are persuasive.
14. i do not rule out the possibility that the appeal was lodged with the respondent because the tribunal had referred to the appeal filed on 30th of August, 2007 and may therefore have been forwarded by the respondent without the accompanying documents. (which is what happened!!!!)
25. taken at its face value, the grounds of appeal are very persuasive and refer to extensive documentation. However the difficulty is that the respondent's refusal has challenged the appealant to provide evidence of her financial circumstances in Nigeria and those of her sponsor. Regrettably for unexplained reasons all the documentation except the application form has not been copied with the appeal papers and therefore i do not have the advantahe of those documents in support of the appealants assertion.
26.The burden of proof remains on the appealant. At face value i can only therefore regard the appealant as having failed to forward documents with the notice f appeal and therefore establish the grounds of appeal claimed. Clearly it is most unsatisfactory since, on the face of ot, had those documents been included and copied to the respondent, the appealants explanation might have persuaded the respondent to favourably review the application. As it is i have to refuse the appeal. "

Those documents claimed that i did not submit, were submitted with the appeal. as a matter of fact i submitted the original of all of the documents and photocopies as well,

My question is this, am i supposed to apply for reconsideration i.e to AIT iir write a letter to BHC, Abuja.
Meanwhile, the form for reconnsideration says that the grounds to contend has to be an error of law. I showed this to a lawyer tiday who said its not an error of law,

please kindlyyy advice on what to do, thanks. God bless.

On the surface, your case does not appear as an error of the law upon which you can ask for a reconsideration of the appeal from the AIT. Although, I am just stating this based on what yoou have stated on this forum.

My best suggestion is that you reapply for the Visa, address all the areas of concern raised by the ECO in your last refusal and hope for the best.

@ All,
This is why I do not subscribe to sending appeal bundles to the High Commission. Your best and safest method of delivery is to fax it.

pahtahkee:



3 March 2008

Dear Sir,

Thank you for you email.

Please note that the completed appeal form should not arrive later than 56 days after the date of the entry clearance refusal if you had received it by courier services.

Yours faithfully

Correspondence Unit
Visa Section

Na wa for you oh.

You did not even bother to fully diagnose and breakdown the mail for yourself before posting celebrations on the forum.

My question to you is: What is a courier service? Is the VAC or VFS a courier service? The letter stated a conditional statement with it, meaning if you receive it by courier service, you are entitled to a 56 day policy for appeal. But BHC Nigeria is not operating by courier. Abeg!

1) How many times did you sit for WAEC?

2) How many times did you pay Dr Abdulrahman?


Here we go again:

1) Date of refusal is the most important date in the appeal process

2) VAC or whatever name call serve as courier for the embassy. Remember, they dont determine the outcome of visa application but a messenger.

3) If you go to the embassy,refused and given by hand [/b]the refusal notice, its only [b]28 days from the date of refusal.



Just tell me the embassy dey lie, then i will drop it.

pahtahkee:

On the surface, your case does not appear as an error of the law upon which you can ask for a reconsideration of the appeal from the AIT. Although, I am just stating this based on what yoou have stated on this forum.

My best suggestion is that you reapply for the Visa, address all the areas of concern raised by the ECO in your last refusal and hope for the best.

@ All,
This is why I do not subscribe to sending appeal bundles to the High Commission. Your best and safest method of delivery is to [b]fax it.[/b]

This is to butress the above statement,ensure that you send your appeal straight to the UK office not to the High Commission office in 9ja cause they are really tired

Akolawole:

2) VAC or whatever name call serve as courier for the embassy. Remember, they don't determine the outcome of visa application but a messenger.

VAC serves as a courier?

This egbon sef is getting too old oh. Where in the entry clearance guidance rules did you read the VAC serves as a courier? Who authorized VAC as a courier service? What is a courier service sef?

Typical Chelski fan, una too dey stubborn with your own views. Thats why ''Jo-seh'' was sacked.

@ All,
Off again till I do not even know.

@Pataki

Please define Courier

Is VAC serve as embassy?

Does ECO stays at VAC?

Does VAC in anyway determine the outcome of Visa?

My Dad applied through VAC two years ago. They did not want to accept the application because he did not have a single documents of his own beside Passport. I rang them to ask them what their problem was? If they are are now ECO themselves. They told him to sign that no single document of his was submitted. Which he does. They were suprised that he was granted.


If you want me to ask embassy what courier means, i will do so.